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February 08, 2024, 11:10:43 AM
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If it is only donation, nothing to worry about, but if they demand anything for their own agendas in return, I'd say it's concerning indeed.
Why should commercial banks make a donation (for the development) of an alternative monetary system, which is potentially a “killer” of their business, even if these are banks engaged in brokerage activities?

If these donors care so much about bitcoin, then why haven’t they integrated it into their system yet?

Investors, for example, but not donors, may demand something in return. I would like to believe that the Bitcoin Core developers remain impartial and do everything only for the well-being of bitcoin.

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February 08, 2024, 01:46:41 PM
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Seems that me , franky and some others are too stubborn to let you poison the newbies with nonsense . Our common is that we love bitcoin even if we disagree on parts while you love anything other than it .  

Those attempting to lure newbies into a cheap imitation of Bitcoin with scammy forks are the ones spreading poison.  If I thought you were merely a victim of the scam, I'd be more tolerant of you.  But from everything I'm seeing, you appear to be part of that scam.  And that means I'm not holding back.


I hope that people in here see that you have nothing to add to the discussion other than personal insults .

You appear to be of the mistaken impression that all ideas are equal and valid.  This is not the case with BSV.  You are not on equal footing.  You do not deserve equal treatment.  This isn't a discussion where we pretend there is some semblance of validity to the malicious intentions of the criminal figurehead of your shitcoin.  The only thing your scam project and its supporters deserve is derision.  All the technical arguments have already been made.  I don't see what's left to discuss, aside from how dreadful a person you are for supporting an identity thief, their ongoing con where they prey on impressionable newbies, and the war they have declared on this community.

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February 08, 2024, 02:03:50 PM
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If it is only donation, nothing to worry about, but if they demand anything for their own agendas in return, I'd say it's concerning indeed.
Exactly. But my question here is why the heck do banks have to do this? Control? This is something fishy for me to be honest. Well on the other hand, giving a donation to the Bitcoin core team is  for me a very generous way of saying thank you for the job well done. Donated funds can also be used for future upgrades and improvements for sure.



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February 08, 2024, 03:28:06 PM
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Seems that me , franky and some others are too stubborn to let you poison the newbies with nonsense . Our common is that we love bitcoin even if we disagree on parts while you love anything other than it .  

Those attempting to lure newbies into a cheap imitation of Bitcoin with scammy forks are the ones spreading poison. 
yep HmmMAA is promoting a scam coin

but doomad promotes a different network too.. which has flaws, bugs, and bottlenecks. which for years have not been solved..

both people are as bad as each other.. both trying to compete to offramp people away from bitcoin. both wanting to ruin bitcoin with annoyances to promote their other networks they prefer

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February 08, 2024, 07:21:56 PM
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Those attempting to lure newbies into a cheap imitation of Bitcoin with scammy forks are the ones spreading poison.  If I thought you were merely a victim of the scam, I'd be more tolerant of you.  But from everything I'm seeing, you appear to be part of that scam.  And that means I'm not holding back.
The only scam that currently exists is btc . Ot promotes as bitcoin while has nothing to do with it . Segwit , RBF , LN and more has nothing to do with bitcoin . It's the classic misunderstanding that ethereum classic is the fork . Lopp is proud that 0.06% of current's btc code is from the original satoshi code , i guess you are proud too .

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All the technical arguments have already been made.  I don't see what's left to discuss, aside from how dreadful a person you are for supporting an identity thief, their ongoing con where they prey on impressionable newbies, and the war they have declared on this community.
Just look at how many people are crying about high fees and the inequality segwit brought after years of it's implementation . You even see maxis start discussing about a hard fork . It will be fun to see that happening after close to 10 years of blocksize wars and i'd like on what side you will stand . But as i said , you don't give a dime about bitcoin , the most important thing for you is to lure people into your pegged para-btc network .

yep HmmMAA is promoting a scam coin

but doomad promotes a different network too.. which has flaws, bugs, and bottlenecks. which for years have not been solved..

both people are as bad as each other.. both trying to compete to offramp people away from bitcoin. both wanting to ruin bitcoin with annoyances to promote their other networks they prefer

I definitely don't promote they way i get how promotion works , i support both bch and bsv because they are closer to the vision satoshi had about bitcoin . Btc is just an altcoin that has nothing to do with the original and changes in code proves it . How you treat so far btc supporters back what i say .
I'm not the one that stayed on the network that has the original ticker and still think that btc is bitcoin . I went to the network that works according to how i think bitcoin should work , how bitcoin was meant to be , as an electronic cash system . You just stay in btc and complain because you think that bitcoin is just a ticker . We can both have our opinions . Time will prove who's wrong and who's right . Seems that both of us are not young so i hope we will have the time to see the result .


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It’s safe to say that it is conflict of interest but I don’t think it matters if their intentions are clean. As far as they are not against the anonymity and be-your-own-bank idea of Bitcoin, they can find with any amount they want to. At the end of the day Bitcoin will enjoy the benefits. Also, considering that they are supporting Bitcoin, I hope their banking system allows people to trade Bitcoin else it wouldn’t make sense.



 

 

 

 

 

 


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It’s safe to say that it is conflict of interest but I don’t think it matters if their intentions are clean. As far as they are not against the anonymity and be-your-own-bank idea of Bitcoin, they can find with any amount they want to. At the end of the day Bitcoin will enjoy the benefits. Also, considering that they are supporting Bitcoin, I hope their banking system allows people to trade Bitcoin else it wouldn’t make sense.

Do you think it is a benefit to Bitcoin and the community for Bitcoin to be traded as an ETF or would it be better if people used it peer-to-peer?

Financial institutions of all types are promoting bitcoin as an investment to be held by the institution giving them control of the asset and the transactions.

This is how they plan to move people away from using Bitcoin as a currency.  It is working!!

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It’s safe to say that it is conflict of interest but I don’t think it matters if their intentions are clean. As far as they are not against the anonymity and be-your-own-bank idea of Bitcoin, they can find with any amount they want to. At the end of the day Bitcoin will enjoy the benefits. Also, considering that they are supporting Bitcoin, I hope their banking system allows people to trade Bitcoin else it wouldn’t make sense.

Do you think it is a benefit to Bitcoin and the community for Bitcoin to be traded as an ETF or would it be better if people used it peer-to-peer?

Financial institutions of all types are promoting bitcoin as an investment to be held by the institution giving them control of the asset and the transactions.

This is how they plan to move people away from using Bitcoin as a currency.  It is working!!

I totally agree with you. They aren’t the ones who even started it, we Bitcoin enthusiasts, traders, holders, etc started it by making it seem like the most valuable thing about Bitcoin is the increase in price which then becomes profitable. They are now seeing that people already carrying that ideology, for example the whole ETF thing, which they are probably supporting so it kills the idea of using it as payment. To be honest, I do not think they’ll support Bitcoin if the only perception of Bitcoin was that you’d eliminate the bank (them).



 

 

 

 

 

 


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Yes of course because it’s will transactions safe
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I just read in two publications that VanEck and BitWise will be funding Core development.

https://bitcoinist.com/bitcoin-etf-by-vaneck-benefit-btc-core-developers/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/digital-assets/2024/01/30/the-bitcoin-spot-etf-a-catalyst-for-change-in-bitcoin-first-companies/?sh=13226e9f2827

There is a clear conflict of interest here.  Should this be allowed? Should anyone have this kind of influence over the Core code?

As far as I know Satoshi developed the initial code and accepted no money in return for this very reason.
I wouldn't worry that much.

People have said the same thing about Linux and Microsoft's involvement:

https://rcpmag.com/articles/2012/04/04/microsoft-credited-as-a-top-linux-kernel-contributor.aspx
https://thenextweb.com/news/in-your-face-google

Can someone honestly claim that Linux (Kernel) is compromised? Even though it's open-source?

Even if that was the case (it's not), there are still alternatives such as FreeBSD, OpenBSD etc.

I can see cause for some concern.  But I'd be more worried if they were conventional commercial banks.  VanEck and Bitwise are more to do with asset management, brokerage, etc.  Plus, they're seemingly on board with the general concept of Bitcoin and have made it a central pillar of their respective business models.  If they now rely on Bitcoin, it makes sense that they'd want to contribute to its continued development.  I'm confident the community are vigilant enough to notice if there were any sudden changes in approach or direction for Bitcoin development and would act according.  It's a potential conflict of interests and transparency should help ensure it's only ever potential.
Bitcoin is not much different compared to Linux.

It's slowly becoming a viable "commercial product" (in terms of ETF offerings).

Also, BTC needs to remain decentralized to maintain its high valuation (and go even higher).

They cannot turn it into a centralized currency (CBDC) and still expect it to cost a lot.

oh and doomad and his ilk/clan doesnt believe in "one cpu one vote"
Oh, come on, "1 CPU = 1 vote" has been long dead (ever since ASICs came out).

If you want that, better move to Monero (but I guess your BTC stash is too valuable, so you're not gonna do it).

institutions know they cannot get middlemen commission from the network itself (unless they run mining equipment)
so they want to make bitcoin annoying to use so that people revert to using centralised services and subnetworks that involve middlemen

Don't forget LN , that's the trojan horse they're expecting to gain profits from . That's why all the funding from corporations to devs is headed towards the development of L2's leaving L1 out . The good thing is that they're too ignorant to understand that L2's are an impossible solution and are just burning money .

Anyone else find it a funny coincidence that the BSV user agrees with franky1?

Common goals are common, methinks.

Best of luck to anyone who thinks they can achieve global adoption of a single blockchain without utilising off-chain technology or totally centralising the entire network.  Your task is laughably implausible.
Wanna know what's funny about HmmMAA?

He claims other people are conspiracy theorists, all while he's the biggest conspiracy theorist (he believes NSA/CIA are behind BTC/Satoshi Nakamoto and also he believes that DCG/MasterCard control the BTC Core dev team). Grin

He's the biggest hypocrite you're gonna find on this forum.

Seems that me , franky and some others are too stubborn to let you poison the newbies with nonsense . Our common is that we love bitcoin even if we disagree on parts while you love anything other than it .
You do not love Bitcoin (BTC), you love BSV.

You hate BTC with a passion and want to see it destroyed. Be honest for once.

Franky1 might be eccentric, but at least he doesn't love shitcoins/Bitcoin forks with tons of 51% attacks:

https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2021/08/04/bsv-suffers-51-attack-report/
https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2019/05/24/bitcoin-cash-miners-undo-attackers-transactions-with-51-attack/

I agree , but mining isn't based on rapspis to work . To find an optimised solution in an NP-hard problem computational power is needed . Do you think your rapspi will be able to handle a massive amount of paths and liquidity if/when LN is implemented ?
You remind me of WAntilles on adslgr who claimed years ago that ARM CPUs (on iPhone) are "Fisher Price toys" compared to x86. Therefore iPhone is "DOA", it has no "future".

That didn't age well, did it? Especially considering Apple's ARM progress.

A new Raspberry has been released, with a faster ARM CPU and more RAM... maybe you should check it out.

Seems that me , franky and some others are too stubborn to let you poison the newbies with nonsense . Our common is that we love bitcoin even if we disagree on parts while you love anything other than it .  

Those attempting to lure newbies into a cheap imitation of Bitcoin with scammy forks are the ones spreading poison.  If I thought you were merely a victim of the scam, I'd be more tolerant of you.  But from everything I'm seeing, you appear to be part of that scam.  And that means I'm not holding back.
Not only that, but he also defends Calvin Ayre's predictions:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/bitcoin-price-crash-zero-says-204253747.html

And you know who Calvin Ayre is, right?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fn0D09YaMAQF9Uj?format=jpg&name=small
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We've tried to explain to him many times before that the free market has decided which blockchain has the highest valuation AND hashrate, but he still doesn't get it.

He's so butthurt that he believes there's a crazy tinfoil hat conspiracy organized by bad actors (forum members/BTC maxis) against BSV, "the only true Bitcoin envisioned by Satoshi". Cheesy

Watch him trying to attack me, even though everything I've said can be verified by his posts on this forum.

ps: If you pay close attention to him, you'll see that he's enamored by Craig Wright and he even admits that he's a pricky personality.

Guess what? HmmMAA is equally pricky judging by his insults to other members!

Those attempting to lure newbies into a cheap imitation of Bitcoin with scammy forks are the ones spreading poison.  If I thought you were merely a victim of the scam, I'd be more tolerant of you.  But from everything I'm seeing, you appear to be part of that scam.  And that means I'm not holding back.
The only scam that currently exists is btc . Btc is just an altcoin
Spoken like a true flat earther. Grin

Or maybe like Calvin Ayre too:

https://twitter.com/CalvinAyre/status/1577732304440815616

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This is to conform with existing property law. The alts like BTC etc will be forced to follow this also..or they will be wiped out by regulators.

This didn't age too well either, right?

yep HmmMAA is promoting a scam coin

but doomad promotes a different network too.. which has flaws, bugs, and bottlenecks. which for years have not been solved..

both people are as bad as each other.. both trying to compete to offramp people away from bitcoin. both wanting to ruin bitcoin with annoyances to promote their other networks they prefer
I definitely don't promote they way i get how promotion works , i support both bch and bsv because they are closer to the vision satoshi had about bitcoin
Stop lying, you've confessed that you join this forum to bribe users with BSV (you send PMs to lure people into the BSV ecosystem -> that's what drug dealers do too).

There is a very famous and young member on this forum/thread that accepted BSV donations from you. Don't make me tell his name, I don't want to expose him. You know what I'm saying is 100% true.

It’s safe to say that it is conflict of interest but I don’t think it matters if their intentions are clean. As far as they are not against the anonymity and be-your-own-bank idea of Bitcoin, they can find with any amount they want to. At the end of the day Bitcoin will enjoy the benefits. Also, considering that they are supporting Bitcoin, I hope their banking system allows people to trade Bitcoin else it wouldn’t make sense.

Do you think it is a benefit to Bitcoin and the community for Bitcoin to be traded as an ETF or would it be better if people used it peer-to-peer?

Financial institutions of all types are promoting bitcoin as an investment to be held by the institution giving them control of the asset and the transactions.

This is how they plan to move people away from using Bitcoin as a currency.  It is working!!
I believe you should get BTC and store it/use it in your own personal wallet.

ETF was made for the big guys (the likes of Bill Gates etc.)
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February 09, 2024, 05:49:50 AM
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I'm not the one that stayed on the network that has the original ticker and still think that btc is bitcoin . I went to the network that works according to how i think bitcoin should work , how bitcoin was meant to be , as an electronic cash system . You just stay in btc and complain because you think that bitcoin is just a ticker . We can both have our opinions . Time will prove who's wrong and who's right . Seems that both of us are not young so i hope we will have the time to see the result .

bitcoin is not just a ticker.. you suggesting that people think bitcoin is just a ticker, reveals more about your misunderstanding of the whole economics, utility and functionality of what makes bitcoin, bitcoin

heres the thing though
even your beloved BSV leader is in court suggesting his BSV is not bitcoin.. because he wants something from BTC. thus even he thinks BTC is bitcoin because instead of just editing BSV to steal "satoshi stash" and get what he wants.. he wants BTC "satoshi stash" because he admits BTC is bitcoin
(he pretends to be bitcoin creator and pretend bitcoin was stolen from him)
also he isnt chasing after the other hundred forks.. not even BCH because he doesnt believe any of them are "bitcoin" but just airdrop altcoins

oh and time has proven BTC is bitcoin.. goodbye

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Yeah I don't think that's a good idea, sure they've got the money but it's out of what Satoshi and bitcoin stands for, freedom from the traditional banking system. Remember that when this happens, these banks will surely try to put in their ideas on how bitcoin should work and should process so it's not a good idea, it will be a problem that will present itself when it's too late already.



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February 09, 2024, 07:20:52 AM
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oh and time has proven BTC is bitcoin.. goodbye

I'll stick to Mike Hearn's opinion in his response to Greg :

Gregory, you are getting really crazy now. Stop it. The trend towards mining centralisation is not the fault of Gavin or myself, or anyone else. And SPV is exactly what was always intended to be used. It's not something I "fixated" on, it's right there in the white paper. Satoshi even encouraged me to keep working on bitcoinj before he left!


Look, it's clear you have decided that the way Bitcoin was meant to evolve isn't to your personal liking. That's fine. Go make an alt coin where your founding documents state that it's intended to always run on a 2015 Raspberry Pi, or whatever it is you mean by "small device". Remove SPV capability from the protocol so everyone has to fully validate. Make sure that's the understanding that everyone has from day one about what your alt coin is for. Then when someone says, gee, it'd be nice if we had some more capacity, you or someone else can go point at the announcement emails and say "no, GregCoin is meant to always be verifiable on small devices, that's our social contract and it's written into the consensus rules for that reason".

But your attempt to convert Bitcoin into that altcoin by exploiting a temporary hack is desperate, and deeply upsetting to many people. Not many quit their jobs and created companies to build products only for today's tiny user base."

https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-July/009726.html

So , good luck defending Greg's coin . Goodbye and have a nice day .

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i too have not been happy with the decisions greg and his ilk peers of blocksteam have roadmapped bitcoin towards, but  it is still bitcoin

even the real satoshi announced gavin to take over as lead "chief science officer", and then the batton passed to greg maxwell as lead "chief scientists/technology of bitcoin" and so on.. even merchants and services, and even governments recognise btc as bitcoin

heck BSV is announced as something new 15 November 2018,, not 2009

even funnier BSV did not fork from bitcoin, but from BCH
there is a deviation of 2017-2018 block data that shows that BSV is not a twin sister of btc. but a daughter of BCH which is a daughter of BTC
so BSV is a grandchild of BTC not a twin of BTC

yep BSV is a offspring(fork) 2 generations below bitcoin.. BSV is not the original.. hard blockdata and code prove it

an example..
lets take the 20th of august block#480,000. BSV used the BCH chain data. where by block #480000 on BSV had 21 transactions which is what BCH had
BSV and BCH had 21 transactions but BTC had 2117 transactions

yep the 21 transaction of BCH/BSV following was not even 1% following.. it was literally nearly an empty block no one used, wanted

again for emphasis
BSV is a offspring(fork) 2 generations below bitcoin.. BSV is not the original.. hard blockdata and code prove it

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I'll stick to Mike Hearn's opinion

'Appeal to authority' is generally considered a logical fallacy at the best of times, but particularly when it's someone who is considered by many to be effectively ostracised from the community because of their views about blacklisting and other controversial matters.  If Hearn and Wright are your guiding luminaries, you are beyond lost.  Your circle is only going to grow smaller over time as people realise that's not the correct path to follow.

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February 10, 2024, 07:11:45 AM
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'Appeal to authority' is generally considered a logical fallacy at the best of times, but particularly when it's someone who is considered by many to be effectively ostracised from the community because of their views about blacklisting and other controversial matters.  If Hearn and Wright are your guiding luminaries, you are beyond lost.  Your circle is only going to grow smaller over time as people realise that's not the correct path to follow.

I would call it an appeal to sanity but i guess it's hard for you to understand . Read the circumstances that you can't call something an appeal to authority , it's not "one size fits all" .
Ostracised and considered by many ? The many that now start to understand that the 1 MB limit should be raised ? The many that are closing their channels on LN ? The many that face high fees and cry like babies that bad miners are selfish evil entities ? The LN devs that say that unfortunately L2's cannot work ?
Well guess what , these problems were mentioned years ago , but your "authority" claim back then that things will be fine . Aren't 8 years enough to understand that you have been tricked ? 

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February 10, 2024, 07:47:02 AM
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I just read in two publications that VanEck and BitWise will be funding Core development.

https://bitcoinist.com/bitcoin-etf-by-vaneck-benefit-btc-core-developers/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/digital-assets/2024/01/30/the-bitcoin-spot-etf-a-catalyst-for-change-in-bitcoin-first-companies/?sh=13226e9f2827

There is a clear conflict of interest here.  Should this be allowed? Should anyone have this kind of influence over the Core code?

As far as I know Satoshi developed the initial code and accepted no money in return for this very reason.
Well, I do not see it as you made it look here, and what I even read in the article posted was a donation, and this is fine. Well, talking about banks if that is what really happens, I don't still see the reason why we should be heating the polity, this is just unnecessary. Do you think that Bitcoin projects will be done without money involved, especially this time when Bitcoin is in the mainstream of the financial market and ETF is approved? This, of course, would have increased the cost of services, you do not think that this will just be done at the expense of individuals, groups or companies without plans, loans (if possible) and expectations for reward in some cases?

All these are being planned well before execution, and those who seek funds or receive donations know the reason why they do that, and this doesn't mean that the banks that will fund them will be part of that project, they are only offering funds and doing their business. Even if they will be a partner in it, why not? This is a business opportunity, and for banks to be involved in a crypto project is also a welcome development, and not otherwise as some of you will make it look like. If banks now say they do not want to deal with crypto projects, the same people will be the ones to talk opposition. What do you even want?

I'm just saying generally...

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February 10, 2024, 09:09:13 AM
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If there is not going to be any distortion or manipulation of the Blockchain with regards to the sponsoring or donations to Bitcoin core team by the bank who invariably happens to dislike cryptos due to it feature as a store of value then there is no issues and it's a welcome development, I hope the Bitcoin core team would be transparent enough in doing their job thus thoroughly checked and monitored by other developers, I believe it's high time the scalability issue of Blockchain is finally resolved to fast track swift transactions I think this issue if not resolve on time would make global adoption of Bitcoin as a payment gateway particularly Lightning network LN.

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February 10, 2024, 12:04:51 PM
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Aren't 8 years enough to understand that you have been tricked ? 

You're absolutely hilarious.  Haven't laughed that hard in a while, heh.  From another topic:

At this point i'm 95% certain that he is satoshi or was one of the architects behind the pseudonym .

"He" being Craig Scammer Wright.  If anyone has been tricked, it's you.  Maybe one day soon you'll come back to reality.  Until then, enjoy your delerium.

Actually, I'm being too charitable.  You're not stupid, you know that piece of shit fraudster isn't satoshi.  This is just another wilful deception on your part.  You're only here participating in these topics in a feeble attempt to sucker people into using your worthless clonecoin.  To call you an opportunist scumbag would be an understatement.


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February 10, 2024, 12:18:11 PM
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Aren't 8 years enough to understand that you have been tricked ? 

You're absolutely hilarious.  Haven't laughed that hard in a while, heh.  From another topic:

At this point i'm 95% certain that he is satoshi or was one of the architects behind the pseudonym .

"He" being Craig Scammer Wright.  If anyone has been tricked, it's you.  Maybe one day soon you'll come back to reality.  Until then, enjoy your delerium.

Actually, I'm being too charitable.  You're not stupid, you know that piece of shit fraudster isn't satoshi.  This is just another wilful deception on your part.  You're only here participating in these topics in a feeble attempt to sucker people into using your worthless clonecoin.  To call you an opportunist scumbag would be an understatement.
Let's just say Franky1 is a saint compared to HmmMAA! Grin
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