Provably Fair- How Can You Know?

[ChiBitCTy]

So I've been playing a little bit of roulette on a couple different gambling sites online.  I've been throwing a few satoshis on playing Poker (Texas Hold'Em) here and there as well.  Mainly focusing on Roulette, how can I be sure that the site is provably fair? I've heard this term used before by gambling buddies on here, but I've near really learned how you can know or find out if a sites games are "provably fair"?

[cabron]

AFAIK it's about checking the Server's seed and the client's seed, the hashes are the ones you only need to scan on the provably fair verifier as there are lots of verifiers which each casinos have one https://www.provablyfair.me/verify-bets/

Looks like they have it ready for those who suspiciously think they are cheating, it's still common that is why some gamblers are randomly verifying.

Here is one example to look at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5227525.0

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

Contributing to what @cabron has said, I will suggest that you don't gamble randomly on any kinds of casino you come across. Choose a reputable casinos that is popularly used by many gamblers and at least you will have that believe that you are not being cheated.

[alani123]

Card games would be a bit more complicated to get a provably fair algorithm behind them but it's possible at least for the single player ones. I've seen on stake.com video blackjack have a provably fair algorithm for instance. In the website there's explanation on how it works. In theory, you could set up some hashing software on your computer to check the provable fairness more trustlessly.

But actually most people will just stick to third party websites like https://www.btcgosu.com/tools/provably-fair-verifier/ and dicesites.com which have their own verifiers. But I am just not sure if there's a verifier for poker games. Does the casino you play at provide more information on how to verify these bets?

[KosmoKisa]

What is provably fair gambling? Provably fair gambling uses cryptography to ensure the fairness and randomness of game outcomes. This means that players can verify that the games haven't been rigged by the casino. Here's the basic process:
1.Seeds: The casino provides a "server seed" and the player generates their own "client seed." Both are used to generate a random outcome.
2.Hashing: Both seeds and other game data are combined and hashed (converted to a unique string) using a cryptographic function. This hash is publicly verifiable.
3.Outcome and verification: The game outcome is determined based on the combined seeds. Players can then verify the fairness by recalculating the hash with their client seed and the server seed provided by the casino. If the hashes match, the game was fair.
P.S. Hope I was able to be of some help to you)

[yahoo62278]

Are you asking how do you know if the casino isn't cheating you? Like giving you salted seeds? Or are you wondering how to check a games results? If it's the latter there are verifiers out there, 1 was provided for you. If you are asking the 1st question, I would like to know that myself.

[SmartGold01]

but I've near really learned how you can know or find out if a sites games are "provably fair"?

I think there are site that has been rated by some users here so when choosing site you can look at the overall rated threads to know which one to chose to play your game. I am more conversant with sport betting but that doesn't mean I regularly gamble since I am trying as much as possible to limit myself from becoming a gambling addicts.

[decodx]

You make a fair point.  Simply slapping provably fair on a gambling website does not automatically make their games verified.  Shady sites love throwing around terms like "provably fair" to lure players in, but it's often just marketing fluff.  A truly provably fair site must openly provide the methods and math they use to prove fairness to players.  Users should get access to ways of checking each game is legit. 

Furthermore, nothing wrong with asking questions and getting opinons elsewhere neither before playing or depositing someplace new and  healthy skepticism ain't a bad thing in this industry.

[bitvalak]

In my opinion, fair doesn't mean just relying on the algorithm of each game, because it is very difficult to determine whether the system is cheating or not.
But what I'm highlighting about fairness here is how well they can pay every win we get, whether we make it difficult for us to withdraw our winnings or deliberately lose our balance without our knowledge.
And also try to play on trusted gambling sites or platforms that have genuine reviews from people who have played there. At least you have an idea of what platform you will decide to play on.

[Assface16678]

You make a fair point.  Simply slapping provably fair on a gambling website does not automatically make their games verified.  Shady sites love throwing around terms like "provably fair" to lure players in, but it's often just marketing fluff.  A truly provably fair site must openly provide the methods and math they use to prove fairness to players.  Users should get access to ways of checking each game is legit. 

Furthermore, nothing wrong with asking questions and getting opinons elsewhere neither before playing or depositing someplace new and  healthy skepticism ain't a bad thing in this industry.

You do have a point, but the thing is, a website or online casino can't show us how they build the game or casino site, or, in short, there are no means of showing us that their games are legitimate and fair. The only assurance we have is that if they are certified to operate in an online casino, then they have complied with the rules and regulations of the laws that are responsible for internet stuff. I mean, there is a process by which they can operate to go online, so I think that's enough assurance for us that they have fair casino games. They build or programme their casino games online, and the result is random. If they do something to make it unfair, then they shouldn't operate, and the laws will notice that and sanction them. So I guess that's enough assurance for us. Of course, we will pick a casino with a good reputation, not just a new and unpopular online casino that might be a scam.

[Mahanton]

So I've been playing a little bit of roulette on a couple different gambling sites online.  I've been throwing a few satoshis on playing Poker (Texas Hold'Em) here and there as well.  Mainly focusing on Roulette, how can I be sure that the site is provably fair? I've heard this term used before by gambling buddies on here, but I've near really learned how you can know or find out if a sites games are "provably fair"?

Hmmm when it comes to verifying if those rolls are fair then we do have those verifiers on which we could check out for ourselves.
I did make out some search and i would see these links would really be that relevant.

https://dicesites.com/provably-fair
https://wp.nyu.edu/dispatch/how-to-check-if-a-game-has-been-played-fair-with-blockchain-technology/

When it comes to the thing about thinking if they arent cheating on us then we can assume that they are 100% fair. They would really be having
that kind of tweak that they would really be the winner in the end of the day. 

[Sandra_hakeem]

What do you mean "provably fair games"? C'mon man, you're gambling and atleast you've got an insurance on any casino's algorithm on whether or not them odd/games are fair enough. The latter covers a wholesome part of your interest and would probably be one of the reasons why you got registered on the site already.
Roulette - especially on mobile-plays ain't reliable... Sometimes, it looks to me like it's been pre-programmed and anything you win is maximized over the casinos already-made profit.... It's part of virtual gamings though

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

[Doan9269]

how can I be sure that the site is provably fair? I've heard this term used before by gambling buddies on here, but I've near really learned how you can know or find out if a sites games are "provably fair"?

I don't think we can neither have I been able to see anyone who have proved this, it also depends on the reason on why we are gambling that will make us to be more concerned about this or not, if we really care about the fun we have in gambling then we have to take it as it is with the risk involved in gambling for either win or loss, people gamble because they just want to have fun and not like making business whereby they need to be sure of every steps taken as being appropriate accordingly.

[Wexnident]

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Others have already given methods to prove if provably fair was done, but if you want to know the behind-the-scenes of it, there's a bunch of links out there that dictate it. To dumb it down though, The server has some data before the bet was intiialized. After the bet, you can grab that data and do your own verification using algorithms based on how the casino did theirs (which should be available in public afaik to check?) and if the results match, then you're good to go.

Now idk how they do the string generation part though whether it truly is random or not.

[komisariatku]

So I've been playing a little bit of roulette on a couple different gambling sites online.  I've been throwing a few satoshis on playing Poker (Texas Hold'Em) here and there as well.  Mainly focusing on Roulette, how can I be sure that the site is provably fair? I've heard this term used before by gambling buddies on here, but I've near really learned how you can know or find out if a sites games are "provably fair"?

that's a difficult question to answer. Some casinos dare to share their coding and does that guarantee that they always use the coding or sometimes change it for their own benefit? we don't know.

So far I haven't found a satisfactory table game, most house edge table games are hard to win and the dealer wins more often. Especially in blackjack games. For table games I prefer playing in a live casino. For poker games, sometimes I suspect there is a casino team also sitting at the table, usually someone thinks like that but I don't know how it really is.

[danherbias07]

Try playing very small amounts and look at the graph at how it behaves. If it's going back to zero or near it after a loss or a win then that's what provably fair is. I also don't know how to check this but I believe the server seed has something to do about it.

Every time I play, I make sure I test the seed first before I start gambling on the amount that I prefer. My test will not be like a "play for fun" with 0 amount bet, I put something in it like the minimum amount and let it run for a long period.
But I don't really lean on this anymore. It's always the RTP that I want to see because it's too obvious when it's happening especially on original games like Keno, Plinko, Dice, and the one you mentioned. When it comes, you will feel that there are changes in the multiplier like it wants to give back after a loss, and in Plinko, the ball is trying to bounce out so that it could equal the losses that happened.
Now, how to take advantage of this is impossible. The only way that I could see is to get out and withdraw or rest for a long time until it resets which is hard to do after a lucky streak.

[PytagoraZ]

I don't know how casino algorithms work, I just go by gut feeling. When I feel the dealer is constantly dealing bad cards, I prefer to leave the game and choose another game. If it still doesn't work and my luck is still bad then I will change gambling sites. I think all the coding will make the casino more likely to win than the players, but I prefer to play at a casino that has a lot of users.

[Fundamentals Of]

The site will probably mention that it is offering provably fair games. Its provably fair system might even be mentioned in the terms of service. If not, you can directly inquire it from them.

As far as the games are concerned, you can test the results yourself. The casino might have its in-house verifier which you can use to check if the results are reached fairly. If you don't fully trust them, you can use a third party verifier instead. There are a number of them offering such service for free. You can for example use BTCGOSU's: https://www.btcgosu.com/tools/provably-fair-verifier/#.

[dansus021]

So I've been playing a little bit of roulette on a couple different gambling sites online.  I've been throwing a few satoshis on playing Poker (Texas Hold'Em) here and there as well.  Mainly focusing on Roulette, how can I be sure that the site is provably fair? I've heard this term used before by gambling buddies on here, but I've near really learned how you can know or find out if a sites games are "provably fair"?

Usually gambling sites provide a seed hash that you can check and verify. Just like the @cabron said. If I am not wrong there is also a foundation that talks about provably fair gambling and the site is : https://cryptogambling.org/ and If you would like to learn more about the technical workings of provably fair algorithms, you can download the whitepaper. on their site and they have a lot of member including Stake Bitvest and etc.

AFAIK it's about checking the Server's seed and the client's seed, the hashes are the ones you only need to scan on the provably fair verifier as there are lots of verifiers which each casinos have one https://www.provablyfair.me/verify-bets/

[electronicash]

I don't know how casino algorithms work, I just go by gut feeling. When I feel the dealer is constantly dealing bad cards, I prefer to leave the game and choose another game. If it still doesn't work and my luck is still bad then I will change gambling sites. I think all the coding will make the casino more likely to win than the players, but I prefer to play at a casino that has a lot of users.

your gut feeling didn't tell you the casino might just be cheating on you?  the more i feel like the casino is cheating on me when i got the 5 successive losses.
checking the provably fair of the casino to know whether they are really fair would be good to know.

probably to satisfy curiosity, i was also trying to check the game results after learning some accusations to the casinos where users proved the hash didn't match. i didn't try looking or that thread but i know it's there. they wouldn't be creating those verifiers, it must be to clear things up.