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April 14, 2024, 03:05:51 PM
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Many people already become a gambler before they reach 18 years old.

If they play Genshin Impact, Valorant, CSGO, DOTA 2 etc, all of them have gacha, so if they ever top up to gacha, they're a gambler.

If they visit kids zone and play claw games, they're a gambler.

If they play a card game or other game with something they stake, they're a gambler.

So there's no reason a 18 years old person can't become a gambler.
I agree with you on this, meaning that an 18 year old person or child can or cannot do gambling is possible if we look with a broad lens, the premise of gambling itself is very broad, so it's not just about casinos and casinos if it's a matter of gambling.

Like children playing games and gacha to get what they want in the video game and they have to deposit first, it is indeed gambling, when they bet on something to get what they bet, it is also gambling, it's just that it can't be seen easily, we need to understand it with knowledge, then the games used by young children have elements of gambling.

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April 14, 2024, 06:05:35 PM
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Can you explain how can kids get addicted to gambling if they dont have money to gamble? Or why you think that when they have million of activities to do, they will focus only on the gambling. Many believe gambling = money. Do kids really need so much money? I think they parents   who solve all their «I want» issues. Remember your childhood. How much did you really need money? How long you focus doing something to turn that something into hobby or addiction? I think during childhood, each week or day in kids life is different. They rarely turn something into habit or repeat one and the same thing from day to day.

Yes, but kids these days definitely have way more options and influences than we did back in the day.  I mean, we had arcade games and ball pits.  But kids now have these crazy immersive virtual worlds and apps on their phones.  Some of them can get pretty addictive too - like those loot box things in video games.  My little cousin was telling me how he spends his allowance trying to get rare skins or something.  Seems harmless, but it kinda reminds me of playing slots you know? Except he's not winning money, just digital stuff and  still gives that dopamine rush though.  

And with all these streamers and YouTubers that are popular with kids, they see this kinda gambling-type stuff normalized.  Like it's no big deal.  But it can be once youre hooked.  I dunno, I just think about how much more impressionable I was as a 10 year old.  If this was around back then I probably would've been begging my parents for money to buy V-Bucks too! But at least parents are way more tech-savvy now and can keep tabs better.  Still, kinda crazy how fast things change and makes me wonder what kinda stuff my kids will be into.

As long as they don't end up spending my retirement fund on ultra-rare Fortnite skins or something!  Grin

we've lost something serious here. Remember the days when gaming was about skill, blowing into cartridges? Now, kids are plugged into a reward system that's straight outta Vegas. Loot boxes, surprise mechanics, whatever you call them... it's gambling, plain and simple, but dressed up for your eight-year-old

Yeah, it's easy to call it harmless fun, but look deeper. This ain't about winning the game, it's training that instant gratification muscle. Streamers and YouTubers, they're the poster kids for this. They make opening loot boxes look like the coolest thing ever. Parents might try to keep up, but it's bigger than just blocking a website. This is wiring kids to spend for that quick dopamine hit. Today, it's buying a stupid in-game sword, tomorrow it could be something way more serious

We're not just talking games here. We're teaching kids that the answer is always buying your way to the next level. That's a dangerous mindset to take into the real world

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April 15, 2024, 08:27:00 AM
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Can you explain how can kids get addicted to gambling if they dont have money to gamble? Or why you think that when they have million of activities to do, they will focus only on the gambling.
Okay, so in regards to the little question you asked above, I will like to give a recap on how can kids get addicted to gambling even without having money.
1. Careless and poor parenting: This is a situation which occur when the parent of a child are addicted gamblers themselves, who always gamble at the front of their kids, hence, at time goes on, so are  those kids likely to develop interest into gambling the very kind of game they may have been saw their Dad or Mum playing earlier on, so as they try the play the game, so are they likely to gradually get addicted to it, even while playing without money. As most times money is never the primary cause of an addiction, but the ability to satisfy one's greed most time causes an addiction. 

2. Peer group influence: And by this I mean a situation whereby a kid get addicted into gambling due to the influence of his peer group/age mates/friends, who may have convinced him to come gamble while they pay the bills, knowing fully well he never had the money, which as time goes on, so is he likely to either steal or borrow money just to satisfy his personal quest for gambling.

1. I have a kid, but he pay little attention to what I do regularly. For example I like fixing things at home with myself. From plumbing to electricity. I have tried several times to turn little kid into a little helper. But there was no feedback, no interest. I like to disassemble some electrical gadget, change some parts and make it work again. Not a single drop of interest to it. The kid is interested in football, even though I am not a football player, I barely watch it, few of his friends play. So from observing that, I am starting to get confused that when he sees someone gamble, he will try it and become addicted.

2. That I hardly can influence on. I cant forbit kid to be friend with "that boy", because he gamble. If I do, the protective reflex will trigger to do opposite and the kid might try gambling on purpose. Be surrounded by good company is good, but I cant "change" everyone and surround kid only with "good people".


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April 15, 2024, 08:36:53 AM
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1. I have a kid, but he pay little attention to what I do regularly. For example I like fixing things at home with myself. From plumbing to electricity. I have tried several times to turn little kid into a little helper. But there was no feedback, no interest. I like to disassemble some electrical gadget, change some parts and make it work again. Not a single drop of interest to it. The kid is interested in football, even though I am not a football player, I barely watch it, few of his friends play. So from observing that, I am starting to get confused that when he sees someone gamble, he will try it and become addicted.

2. That I hardly can influence on. I cant forbit kid to be friend with "that boy", because he gamble. If I do, the protective reflex will trigger to do opposite and the kid might try gambling on purpose. Be surrounded by good company is good, but I cant "change" everyone and surround kid only with "good people".
Almost the same story as me. I don't know how my kids got a liking for football even though I have not watched any game at home. None. Literally.
When I saw what they watch on Youtube that's when I got the idea of where they absorbed that kind of sport. So many Youtube streamers today are so into football and they always hear the names of the popular sports players there.
I am a techie guy, hardware, and I don't see that in them. They don't have any interest in it. But I am glad that my other son likes basketball which I love too, maybe because I do take them with me when I do a bit of shooting in the basketball near us. Somehow, they love playing with the basketball that I bought and I can see they have a large interest in it.
As of now, I am thankful they have no interest in gambling but there are times we also have to be aware of what they watch. Youtube is filled with advertisements and once they watch sports, they might bump into gambling advertisements too.

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April 15, 2024, 08:37:56 AM
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I agree with you on this, meaning that an 18 year old person or child can or cannot do gambling is possible if we look with a broad lens, the premise of gambling itself is very broad, so it's not just about casinos and casinos if it's a matter of gambling.
True, an 18 year old guy is free to do all the things that he can and whether it's with the casinos and gambling or any other activity. And what's with today's generation is that they probably have done it before they even reach that legal age for most countries. Well, gambling seems to be regulated through the casinos that are registered and licensed but not actually with the street smarts and activities that we probably have done as well when we're younger. There's no way for them to regulate all of those street activities that includes gambling because no one can stop them when they will gone when the authorities are there and they'll be back when they're gone.

Like children playing games and gacha to get what they want in the video game and they have to deposit first, it is indeed gambling, when they bet on something to get what they bet, it is also gambling, it's just that it can't be seen easily, we need to understand it with knowledge, then the games used by young children have elements of gambling.
I've done that before and even before I reach the legal age. It's true that this happens even before so there's no doubt that this happen until today. Those little children video games, there have been betting on it before and as we grow older, that crave stays until we realize that we have to do something so that when can gamble and have those games played with some thrill through personal bets against our opponents. I've grown up with this setup and it has been passed on to the other kids in our neighborhood that I didn't even taught them how to do it. They've just learned with their observation.

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April 16, 2024, 07:27:46 AM
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Speaking about gaming - a lot of video games have gambling elements. I see no difference from placing a bet and spinning a roulette and purchasing a wheel spin to get a random weapon/skin/game boost. And it is little strange to get age limitation for gambling, when lots of video games content rating system, and underaged kids easily get those 18+ or PEGI 18 games with bad language and violence. Dont you find it strange to hear little kids discuss how many players, monsters, unites they have killed and what methods they used, and on the other part of scale we get gambling only from 18+ ?

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April 16, 2024, 03:13:16 PM
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Like children playing games and gacha to get what they want in the video game and they have to deposit first, it is indeed gambling, when they bet on something to get what they bet, it is also gambling, it's just that it can't be seen easily, we need to understand it with knowledge, then the games used by young children have elements of gambling.
I've done that before and even before I reach the legal age. It's true that this happens even before so there's no doubt that this happen until today. Those little children video games, there have been betting on it before and as we grow older, that crave stays until we realize that we have to do something so that when can gamble and have those games played with some thrill through personal bets against our opponents. I've grown up with this setup and it has been passed on to the other kids in our neighborhood that I didn't even taught them how to do it. They've just learned with their observation.
If we check on the children video games, we will see that some of that games is part of gambling games although we are considers that's not a gambling games. We don't see that's gambling games because the games is not shows an image of gambling games like what gambling games we played so we don't thinks that's parts of gambling games. If we don't tells our children that's part of gambling games, they will still playing that games and there's a chance if they will finds the other games to play and the other games can be their next gambling games they will play.

We must checks on their smartphone as they can hide the games easily without we knows. Yes, we already see that many games that our children played is part of the gambling games so we must be careful when our children playing some online games.

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Speaking about gaming - a lot of video games have gambling elements. I see no difference from placing a bet and spinning a roulette and purchasing a wheel spin to get a random weapon/skin/game boost. And it is little strange to get age limitation for gambling, when lots of video games content rating system, and underaged kids easily get those 18+ or PEGI 18 games with bad language and violence. Dont you find it strange to hear little kids discuss how many players, monsters, unites they have killed and what methods they used, and on the other part of scale we get gambling only from 18+ ?

I have indeed noticed such a thing, actually. My theory is there is not as much stigma on videogames as there is for traditional gambling and the interactions teens and children could have with gambling, because of it it is why it is easier to see teens and children playing videogames which they are not supposed to, than attending to casinos or betting houses.
There is quite a good example for it in the game called GTA San Andreas. It is not only about the violence and sexual innuendos one can find inside the game, but it also has an many gambling elements inside of it full functional casinos, horse race betting, poker, roulette... Even though it does not involve actual money, one cannot underestimate those could.be the first steps of a young person to become a gambler.
Also, The oldest pokemon games and their remakes used to have literal slots for children to play, but they got replaced with other mini games which did not involve randomness.

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I agree with you on this, meaning that an 18 year old person or child can or cannot do gambling is possible if we look with a broad lens, the premise of gambling itself is very broad, so it's not just about casinos and casinos if it's a matter of gambling.
True, an 18 year old guy is free to do all the things that he can and whether it's with the casinos and gambling or any other activity. And what's with today's generation is that they probably have done it before they even reach that legal age for most countries. Well, gambling seems to be regulated through the casinos that are registered and licensed but not actually with the street smarts and activities that we probably have done as well when we're younger. There's no way for them to regulate all of those street activities that includes gambling because no one can stop them when they will gone when the authorities are there and they'll be back when they're gone.

I'm sure of that, even though they are not yet 18 years old, but now with the rise of online gambling, there are people who do it even though they are not yet 18 years old, because those who are still under the age of course they already have their own cell phones and that's clear. makes them already familiar with social media, and with the large number of gambling advertisements currently circulating, it can make them recognize it, in fact I think in their environment they must be familiar with online gambling.

Now that the internet and social media have become basic necessities in life, many people are definitely familiar with online gambling. Moreover, online gambling does not require their personality data such as age, gender, marital status or others. When they gamble, they will only fill in the username and account number form, that's for sure, so with this, anyone can gamble if they already understand the steps.

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April 16, 2024, 05:34:22 PM
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Speaking about gaming - a lot of video games have gambling elements. I see no difference from placing a bet and spinning a roulette and purchasing a wheel spin to get a random weapon/skin/game boost. And it is little strange to get age limitation for gambling, when lots of video games content rating system, and underaged kids easily get those 18+ or PEGI 18 games with bad language and violence. Dont you find it strange to hear little kids discuss how many players, monsters, unites they have killed and what methods they used, and on the other part of scale we get gambling only from 18+ ?

I have indeed noticed such a thing, actually. My theory is there is not as much stigma on videogames as there is for traditional gambling and the interactions teens and children could have with gambling, because of it it is why it is easier to see teens and children playing videogames which they are not supposed to, than attending to casinos or betting houses.
There is quite a good example for it in the game called GTA San Andreas. It is not only about the violence and sexual innuendos one can find inside the game, but it also has an many gambling elements inside of it full functional casinos, horse race betting, poker, roulette... Even though it does not involve actual money, one cannot underestimate those could.be the first steps of a young person to become a gambler.
Also, The oldest pokemon games and their remakes used to have literal slots for children to play, but they got replaced with other mini games which did not involve randomness.

After reading your post I was reminded of how my friend and I played Caesars Palace on the Sega Mega Drive II console. It was cool even though we played without using money.

I agree that many video games have elements of gambling and they can influence a child who one day decides to gamble for money. Personally, I don't see this as a problem if the child's parents have properly communicated to them the risks of losing money gambling. If the child's parents do not discuss such issues with the child, however, it can bring unexpected problems.

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After reading your post I was reminded of how my friend and I played Caesars Palace on the Sega Mega Drive II console. It was cool even though we played without using money.

I agree that many video games have elements of gambling and they can influence a child who one day decides to gamble for money. Personally, I don't see this as a problem if the child's parents have properly communicated to them the risks of losing money gambling. If the child's parents do not discuss such issues with the child, however, it can bring unexpected problems.

I had a Disney's Aladdin game on my Sega and there was a gambling elements also. I could exchange gems for bonuses. That was a 99% slot like game. If that was OK back then, then why gambling is for adults only, when kids can use play money only? This might sound weird, but with play money, what is the problem if they gamble? Like when they play games where they kill opponents, it does not mean that kill people IRL. Play money, virtual violence. Even in simple games kids jump on the head of opponents, throw objects (like knifes or bombs). That does not mean they are going to to this IRL. Like you have said, if parents hold an explanatory conversation with kids, it is OK for them to play such games, then it might be OK for them to gamble.

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April 17, 2024, 09:56:03 AM
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Speaking about gaming - a lot of video games have gambling elements. I see no difference from placing a bet and spinning a roulette and purchasing a wheel spin to get a random weapon/skin/game boost. And it is little strange to get age limitation for gambling, when lots of video games content rating system, and underaged kids easily get those 18+ or PEGI 18 games with bad language and violence. Dont you find it strange to hear little kids discuss how many players, monsters, unites they have killed and what methods they used, and on the other part of scale we get gambling only from 18+ ?

I have indeed noticed such a thing, actually. My theory is there is not as much stigma on videogames as there is for traditional gambling and the interactions teens and children could have with gambling, because of it it is why it is easier to see teens and children playing videogames which they are not supposed to, than attending to casinos or betting houses.
There is quite a good example for it in the game called GTA San Andreas. It is not only about the violence and sexual innuendos one can find inside the game, but it also has an many gambling elements inside of it full functional casinos, horse race betting, poker, roulette... Even though it does not involve actual money, one cannot underestimate those could.be the first steps of a young person to become a gambler.
Also, The oldest pokemon games and their remakes used to have literal slots for children to play, but they got replaced with other mini games which did not involve randomness.
Moreover, in this current era, with the increasingly significant development of technology and online gambling, it makes it easy for teenagers and children to get to know and start playing various gambling games, moreover, almost every child has their own personal cell phone.
When it comes to physical casinos or betting shops then there are only few of children who come and bet but they are usually in their teens and adults and not many do it.
However, it is not the fault of developing technology or online gambling which is increasingly developing rapidly, but it is the fault of parents who fail to supervise and educate their children to be in the right environment.

If children in the past, around 15 to 20 years ago, might still have preferred games or video games with PlayStation because cellphones were not as sophisticated as they are today and only few children had sophisticated cellphones.
But now that civilization has changed so that everyone can do anything anywhere without any restrictions or difficulties, this is the reason why there is freedom for anyone, including children or teenagers, to access gambling site.

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April 17, 2024, 11:43:56 AM
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Many people already become a gambler before they reach 18 years old.

If they play Genshin Impact, Valorant, CSGO, DOTA 2 etc, all of them have gacha, so if they ever top up to gacha, they're a gambler.

If they visit kids zone and play claw games, they're a gambler.

If they play a card game or other game with something they stake, they're a gambler.

So there's no reason a 18 years old person can't become a gambler.
I agree with you on this, meaning that an 18 year old person or child can or cannot do gambling is possible if we look with a broad lens, the premise of gambling itself is very broad, so it's not just about casinos and casinos if it's a matter of gambling.

Like children playing games and gacha to get what they want in the video game and they have to deposit first, it is indeed gambling, when they bet on something to get what they bet, it is also gambling, it's just that it can't be seen easily, we need to understand it with knowledge, then the games used by young children have elements of gambling.
Nowadays with the advancement of technology there is no need to be 18 years old to gamble. According to a survey of young gamblers only about 3.5 percent are likely to become addicted gamblers. They have very little knowledge and tend to play games with money to play video games which leads to gambling. Consider a student who started playing games at a very young age while at school he often resorted to gambling to play games with other students during class.

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April 17, 2024, 04:45:13 PM
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Speaking about gaming - a lot of video games have gambling elements. I see no difference from placing a bet and spinning a roulette and purchasing a wheel spin to get a random weapon/skin/game boost. And it is little strange to get age limitation for gambling, when lots of video games content rating system, and underaged kids easily get those 18+ or PEGI 18 games with bad language and violence. Dont you find it strange to hear little kids discuss how many players, monsters, unites they have killed and what methods they used, and on the other part of scale we get gambling only from 18+ ?

I have indeed noticed such a thing, actually. My theory is there is not as much stigma on videogames as there is for traditional gambling and the interactions teens and children could have with gambling, because of it it is why it is easier to see teens and children playing videogames which they are not supposed to, than attending to casinos or betting houses.
There is quite a good example for it in the game called GTA San Andreas. It is not only about the violence and sexual innuendos one can find inside the game, but it also has an many gambling elements inside of it full functional casinos, horse race betting, poker, roulette... Even though it does not involve actual money, one cannot underestimate those could.be the first steps of a young person to become a gambler.
Also, The oldest pokemon games and their remakes used to have literal slots for children to play, but they got replaced with other mini games which did not involve randomness.
Moreover, in this current era, with the increasingly significant development of technology and online gambling, it makes it easy for teenagers and children to get to know and start playing various gambling games, moreover, almost every child has their own personal cell phone.
When it comes to physical casinos or betting shops then there are only few of children who come and bet but they are usually in their teens and adults and not many do it.
However, it is not the fault of developing technology or online gambling which is increasingly developing rapidly, but it is the fault of parents who fail to supervise and educate their children to be in the right environment.

If children in the past, around 15 to 20 years ago, might still have preferred games or video games with PlayStation because cellphones were not as sophisticated as they are today and only few children had sophisticated cellphones.
But now that civilization has changed so that everyone can do anything anywhere without any restrictions or difficulties, this is the reason why there is freedom for anyone, including children or teenagers, to access gambling site.

Sure. I agree with you when you point out much of the responsibility is on the parents when comes to the supervising their children and wherever they do on the internet. But, we also are supposed to take a look at how the government and the companies get involved with the pseudo-gambling industry which is getting implanted in online games in the form of loot boxes and the market of random cosmetic markets.
I call it pseudo gambling because it is not 100% gambling in the traditional meaning of the word, but that does not mean it could not affect the integrity of the person (children and teens) wagering in online games with loot boxes integrated in them.

Before buying any game to children and teens, one needs to know whether they are random based rewards included within, otherwise, one would be trusting the mental health of an entire generation to game developers.

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April 18, 2024, 10:01:36 AM
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Does gambling needs experience or anyone +18, even the inexperienced one can also play? Though playing gamble has a limited age grade or age bracket and the accepted is from  +18 years and there are some casinos hall at the door post, it is written clearly that it is only people of +18 can play. But what about the inexperienced ones, are they allowed to play gamble as well? Or they are also restricted to have the fun? In my observation, there are two elements to participate in gambling. One, you must above 18 years in my country and secondly you must have an experience to play, so I want to know if inexperienced people can also play gamble.
Some underage don't behave like underage to me, they have the IQ of smart adults, but still I will prefer to monitor a kid of that age if he or she is under my watch because it is easier for anyone at this age to make mistakes when gambling.

All gamblers  don't have experience about gambling when they start placing bets, it was the aftermath experience that reshaped their ideas and some went completely lost in gambling, they lose their ways.

Every beginners have his first day, either inexperienced or not, either underaged or not, it is better to know what you are trying to get yourself into, instead of just deciding to start something out of zero idea.

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April 18, 2024, 10:28:30 AM
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When was the last time anyone of you saw underaged gamble or at least showed some real interest to it? With lots of free time, easy access and affordability, only a little group of adults gamble. And when we talk about kids or underaged, they have so much things to try, test, play, watch, experience and etc, that I really doubt that among all that variability, they would choose gambling and focus on gambling only. As to topic - anyone 18+ can gamble, even underaged I think could try gambling (because I am 100% sure they wont be interested much in it). I think that people at 50 or 60 should limit their gambling passion mostly. As compared to 20-30 years old, they have less options to prove themselves in life, achieve something or solve a problem.

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When was the last time anyone of you saw underaged gamble or at least showed some real interest to it? With lots of free time, easy access and affordability, only a little group of adults gamble. And when we talk about kids or underaged, they have so much things to try, test, play, watch, experience and etc, that I really doubt that among all that variability, they would choose gambling and focus on gambling only. As to topic - anyone 18+ can gamble, even underaged I think could try gambling (because I am 100% sure they wont be interested much in it). I think that people at 50 or 60 should limit their gambling passion mostly. As compared to 20-30 years old, they have less options to prove themselves in life, achieve something or solve a problem.
Gambling is open and it doesn't detect someone to be underaged except the players themselves spot and identify the person and an underage person through the facial expressions and probably the voice of the person and that can be wrong as well because they some people that have small stature but their age has gone far. And unless the person is known by another gamblers very well that he is an underage person then they can drive him out from the hall. But what of the online casinos, how will they identify the underage gamblers? So from the online casinos who is an underage gambler is unknown. But that is not the born of contention here. And here we are talking about the inexperienced and experience gamblers. And the question is, is everyone play gamble once the person is +18? And even though he is not an experience gambler? Because gambling is open source game.
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April 18, 2024, 10:33:27 PM
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But what of the online casinos, how will they identify the underage gamblers? So from the online casinos who is an underage gambler is unknown. But that is not the born of contention here.
Kids will always want to explore stuff that are above their age like going to clubs and drinking alcohol. In most cases, they are asked to provide IDs to prove they are 18+. I think fishing out kids who register on a gambling site shouldn’t be a difficult task for casinos that require KYC. When these underage players may try to cheat the system by using fake IDs, they stand the risk of losing their account and the money in it.


And here we are talking about the inexperienced and experience gamblers. And the question is, is everyone play gamble once the person is +18? And even though he is not an experience gambler? Because gambling is open source game.
Legally anyone who is above 18 can gamble, that doesn’t mean that they should be gambling.
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Does gambling needs experience or anyone +18, even the inexperienced one can also play? Though playing gamble has a limited age grade or age bracket and the accepted is from  +18 years and there are some casinos hall at the door post, it is written clearly that it is only people of +18 can play. But what about the inexperienced ones, are they allowed to play gamble as well? Or they are also restricted to have the fun? In my observation, there are two elements to participate in gambling. One, you must above 18 years in my country and secondly you must have an experience to play, so I want to know if inexperienced people can also play gamble.
There's more elements that's attached to gambling. Knowing what to do in cases of gambling shouldn't be a problem for anyone. We should be careful because this young generation are exploring in technology, they can swiftly learn everything in a day, it's just about knowing the right path to follow. +18 and above can comfortably place wagers on games, they already in possession of hinged gambling. They're not kids anymore, they know how to increases and reduces the game odds.



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April 18, 2024, 11:59:26 PM
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I have CSGO and a couple of the other ones and I dont gamble, you dont have to do that as part of the game its optional.   Even if you did want the vanity skins etc. you can just buy them directly rather then gamble for them.   The odds offered equate to a pretty high price hence its quite often better to just buy either direct or trade with someone else in way, there are many sites catering to people who want to buy csgo skins for cash and it works out far cheaper then a bad odds bet.  Some realize this and some dont I guess.

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