Since Richbased locked his thread....

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I had the thread about someone "impersonating" his wallet address open while I was doing other things and by the time I got back to it, it was locked.  However, I read through it and found that I'd also gotten a PM from agbamoni basically pleading his case and blah blah blah.  I wondered why he dropped me a note about this, and then I realized I'd recently done a post history review for him and that the reason why he wants his reputation intact is so that I'll keep doing reviews for him.  There's no other logical reason I can think of.

The reason I started this thread is that I wanted to get some more thoughts about these two members, whether they're really alt accounts and if there's merit abuse going on.  It doesn't make sense to me that Richbased would start a thread to complain about his alt account using an address of his except if it's a smokescreen devised to make it look like they're not connected.

Richbased hasn't asked for any reviews from me, but he's been an indirect recipient since agbamoni has sent him some merits.  That being the case, I've blocked PMs from both of them and won't reverse that unless I'm convinced these are two separate people (and from reading the original thread, it sure as hell doesn't seem that that's the case).  Share your thoughts, please.
 

Note: this is a self-moderated thread, as I saw some very low-value posts in the other thread.  I'll grant a lot of leeway and will only delete posts if they're zero-value and/or obviously fucking retarded.

[logfiles]

I was even going to do the same thing of opening a new thread regarding the Richbased - Agbamoni case. Thanks for doing so.

There are patterns of merit abuse going on between the accounts, and they are probably not just two.

I asked Agbamoni to tell us about the Dailyscript account, but then Richbased rushes to lock the thread even when his alleged "impersonation" issue has not been resolved. Is he scared that he is now getting unwanted attention and more merit abusing alts are getting discovered?

[PytagoraZ]

These two accounts come from the same country (Nigeria), perhaps members from Nigeria can do further research regarding the discussion patterns or posting patterns of these two accounts.

These two accounts come from the same country (Nigeria), perhaps members from Nigeria can do further research regarding the discussion patterns or posting patterns of these two accounts.

Exactly, you have a point here.

Yeah, It's possible that these two accounts are not connected. If the two are connected, maybe you don't dare to create a thread on reputation because it will make other members look at your account more deeply, but you dare to do it

[Richbased]

I was even going to do the same thing of opening a new thread regarding the Richbased - Agbamoni case. Thanks for doing so.

There are patterns of merit abuse going on between the accounts, and they are probably not just two.

I asked Agbamoni to tell us about the Dailyscript account, but then Richbased rushes to lock the thread even when his alleged "impersonation" issue has not been resolved. Is he scared that he is now getting unwanted attention and more merit abusing alts are getting discovered?

Scared of what exactly? It was JollyGood that told me that since I don't care about what anyone thinks while trying to vindicate myself on the issue that I should lock the thread or didn't you read the last post of the thread? Okay if you wish that I should reopen the thread it's fine I would do that rather than telling me if am scared of getting unwanted attention like how do you mean? if you guys want me to reopen the thread i would do that then you will tell me if you haven't merited a profile that merited your posts as well in your merit history

These two accounts come from the same country (Nigeria), perhaps members from Nigeria can do further research regarding the discussion patterns or posting patterns of these two accounts.

Exactly, you have a point here.

Yeah, It's possible that these two accounts are not connected. If the two are connected, maybe you don't dare to create a thread on reputation because it will make other members look at your account more deeply, but you dare to do it

A clear conscience fears no accusations as all my intentions was to make it clear that the both accounts ain't interrelated in any way because people judge things differently of which they're already doing it so it is better that I raised alarm earlier than maybe others finds out by themselves and conclude that it's a joint account of which they are doing that already but just like I said earlier in the thread I created that I created the thread in other to vindicate myself so it is nothing more

[Lucius]

These two accounts come from the same country (Nigeria), perhaps members from Nigeria can do further research regarding the discussion patterns or posting patterns of these two accounts.
~snip~

The team from Nigeria (with some exceptions) is increasingly in the Reputation board because of theirs "specific behavior", and that is a very mild expression. Whether it's mass creation of alt accounts, merits abuse, using AI to "beautify posts". But as one of their members says, they use AI tools even at the academic level, so this should not be disputed on the forum


@The Sceptical Chymist, I think you should be much more careful with who you give merits to, because I think many abuse your "service".

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Scared of what exactly? It was JollyGood that told me that since I don't care about what anyone thinks while trying to vindicate myself on the issue that I should lock the thread or didn't you read the last post of the thread?

So you just locked the thread because JollyGood suggested it?  I don't know how many times I've requested members lock threads that have long outlived their purpose, only to have them remain open for shitposters to squat in.  The issue you brought up wasn't even resolved, so I'm not sure why you thought it was a good idea to lock it while there was still a lot of input being given.

A clear conscience fears no accusations as all my intentions was to make it clear that the both accounts ain't interrelated in any way because people judge things differently of which they're already doing it so it is better that I raised alarm earlier than maybe others finds out by themselves and conclude that it's a joint account<snip>

That's a bunch of blather followed by one of two reasons you might have started that thread.  I have a feeling you were trying to give the strong impression that you and Agbamoni aren't alts by calling attention to it before anyone else did.  Do I know that for sure?  No.  But I've seen enough bullshit on this forum and looked at the evidence presented by other members in your thread, and that's the way I'm leaning on this matter.

I asked Agbamoni to tell us about the Dailyscript account, but then Richbased rushes to lock the thread even when his alleged "impersonation" issue has not been resolved. Is he scared that he is now getting unwanted attention and more merit abusing alts are getting discovered?

Yeah, I saw that and was hoping for a response.  Perhaps in this thread we'll get one?

@The Sceptical Chymist, I think you should be much more careful with who you give merits to, because I think many abuse your "service".

Yep.  I definitely try to weed out alt accounts, and I've refused merits to a lot of members lately (which nobody sees).  I've also stopped giving merits for posts in the gambling section, so I'm definitely aware that people are trying to game me and do my best to swat them like flies--but I've no doubt there are some who still get over on me.  Thanks for the feedback, Lucius.

But as one of their members says, they use AI tools even at the academic level, so this should not be disputed on the forum

OK, that's fucking frightening.  How can I even deal with members who do that and request post reviews?  Most of the time I don't even know what country people are from when they send me PMs.  Ugh.

[Boy_chef]

From my view of everything, I just think most of you guys are simply saddist that don't have anything to do rather than bring up issues that has no concern what so ever with the rules of the community, please let it rest as if most of you so called decorated members don't have alts 🙄 secretly that no one knows till you yourself fish out the person.

Stop being stupid fucks and serve justice according to forum rules with hard evidence at that too. From where I stand I think most of you miss all the drama that use to happen here because I have read couples of drama you all gladly involved yourself making you feel like police men whereas what you all are big dickheads with hunger and thirst to thrive on making things hard for innocent users who fall victim to your idiotic shenanigans.

Already the highest you can do is to tag the both accounts for being alts 🙄 and I see you have already done that without even evaluating the evidence and fact around the issue so I see no reasons for all these drama or am I missing something here did both accounts do anything wrong against the rules of the community or you should all tell me if you dickheads don't merit each other's post often now you are here calling it merit abuse 🙄 well if you want to check out merit abuse case I think try visiting the local boards of Bangladesh, Pakistan, Portugal and so many more there you will get your drama's, I mean people literally say "HI" and get merit always and that's not a problem and it only becomes a problem when folks from an ever bubbling and hard working board do it ? I could call you fuckheads racist but I think that would be a little far off.

[Lucius]

@The Sceptical Chymist, I think you should be much more careful with who you give merits to, because I think many abuse your "service".

Yep.  I definitely try to weed out alt accounts, and I've refused merits to a lot of members lately (which nobody sees).  I've also stopped giving merits for posts in the gambling section, so I'm definitely aware that people are trying to game me and do my best to swat them like flies--but I've no doubt there are some who still get over on me.  Thanks for the feedback, Lucius.

Everyone can make a mistake (be deceived) and give merit to someone who doesn't deserve it, but someone who is a merit source and also offers a service like you is definitely the target of all those abusers who will do everything to rank their alt accounts as soon as possible.

But as one of their members says, they use AI tools even at the academic level, so this should not be disputed on the forum

OK, that's fucking frightening.  How can I even deal with members who do that and request post reviews?  Most of the time I don't even know what country people are from when they send me PMs.  Ugh.

It would not be fair to put all members from a single country on the blacklist just because a part of them decide to do such things, but even if you wanted to, you would have to check every user in a way to check in which local board they write. Perhaps it would be best if the whole thing were not private but public, as is the case with the @fillippone thread.

By the way, what I was mentioning -> Plagiarism vs AI Posting

[Rikafip]

From my view of everything, I just think most of you guys are simply saddist that don't have anything to do rather than bring up issues

FYI, Richbased opened the  (now locked) thread and started all of this.


@Agbamoni since Richbased locked his thread before you could answer it, can you please explain how exactly you managed to copy his loan application, considering the fact it was in the post that was several pages before?

[FatFork]

Already the highest you can do is to tag the both accounts for being alts 🙄 and I see you have already done that without even evaluating the evidence and fact around the issue so I see no reasons for all these drama or am I missing something here
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You are probably missing the fact that both accounts are involved in taking no-collateral loans on the forum, so their potential connection matters in terms of reputation and trust.  I mean, if they were just your average Joes, no one would bat an eye about them being alt accounts. But since they're knee-deep in potentially dodgy stuff, well, that's a different story, wouldn't you say?

[JollyGood]

I definitely advised you to lock that thread but it was purely because you stated you did not care about what members thought about the situation.

What I find confusing is that if you were not interested in what members thought (about the Richbased and Agbamoni account being operated by the same puppeteer) to the degree you locked the thread because you concluded you had either vindicated yourself or were trying to, then why lock the thread if you will continue engaging ion conversation/debate in other threads? You are after all posting here countering the theory that both Richbased and Agbamoni accounts are operated by the same person therefore it defeated the object.

In my last post in that thread, I did ask whether the Agbamoni account would respond to allegations that there is at least one more account connected. He has not posted here to defend himself. Let us not forget all this started simply because the Agbamoni account used an address belonging to the Richbased account when asking for a loan.

If it is not a case of alt-accounts making a copy/paste oversight, you would have to conclude it is very strange, right?

I was even going to do the same thing of opening a new thread regarding the Richbased - Agbamoni case. Thanks for doing so.

There are patterns of merit abuse going on between the accounts, and they are probably not just two.

I asked Agbamoni to tell us about the Dailyscript account, but then Richbased rushes to lock the thread even when his alleged "impersonation" issue has not been resolved. Is he scared that he is now getting unwanted attention and more merit abusing alts are getting discovered?

Scared of what exactly? It was JollyGood that told me that since I don't care about what anyone thinks while trying to vindicate myself on the issue that I should lock the thread or didn't you read the last post of the thread? Okay if you wish that I should reopen the thread it's fine I would do that rather than telling me if am scared of getting unwanted attention like how do you mean? if you guys want me to reopen the thread i would do that then you will tell me if you haven't merited a profile that merited your posts as well in your merit history

[dkbit98]

You are probably missing the fact that both accounts are involved in taking no-collateral loans on the forum, so their potential connection matters in terms of reputation and trust.  I mean, if they were just your average Joes, no one would bat an eye about them being alt accounts. But since they're knee-deep in potentially dodgy stuff, well, that's a different story, wouldn't you say?

You have one chance to guess what country is Boy_chef coming from... aaaand you are right, he is also from Nigeria
How convenient from him do unexpectedly drop in just in this topic after long period of inactivity.
This is obviously just another one of his alt accounts  

[PytagoraZ]

You are probably missing the fact that both accounts are involved in taking no-collateral loans on the forum, so their potential connection matters in terms of reputation and trust.  I mean, if they were just your average Joes, no one would bat an eye about them being alt accounts. But since they're knee-deep in potentially dodgy stuff, well, that's a different story, wouldn't you say?

You have one chance to guess what country is Boy_chef coming from... aaaand you are right, he is also from Nigeria
How convenient from him do unexpectedly drop in just in this topic after long period of inactivity.
This is obviously just another one of his alt accounts  

Boy_chef only commented twice on the reputation board and he only commented on the Agbamoni and Richbased cases. Very suspicious because there are a lot of interesting discussions (reputation board) but he is only interested in this case. It seems like I take back my statement above and start to feel suspicious that these three accounts are alt or connected

If I look at the loan history, the difference in loan time between Agbamoni and Richbased is 4 pages (Richbased loan date 02/02/2024 & Agbamoni loan date 02/14/2024). It is illogical if someone copies another member's application which is 4 pages different. If this is a copy paste error then it would be more logical if Agbamoni copied the Goinmerry application that is above it.

[Amphenomenon]

But as one of their members says, they use AI tools even at the academic level, so this should not be disputed on the forum

Please Lucius can you help me with the post link, I just want to know the member who said that and why he/she said that because the fact is that, in doing research and projects in the university, you can't state that your source was with the Use of AI and depending on the level of project or research, Ai detectors may be and if a student is caught using such they definitely don't go on punished.
The Sceptical Chymist, please I know this seems off topic but please I have to clarify something here please Thanks God bless you...

[lovesmayfamilis]

But as one of their members says, they use AI tools even at the academic level, so this should not be disputed on the forum

Please Lucius can you help me with the post link,

You were somewhat inattentive. Lucius showed this post and the author.

By the way, what I was mentioning -> Plagiarism vs AI Posting

The forum moderators understand better, I dont support the outright use of AI to generate answers but I believe AI can also be used to make your write beautiful. Go to the academic environment, they will tell you it is allowed when it is used properly

[Lucius]

Please Lucius can you help me with the post link, I just want to know the member who said that and why he/she said that because the fact is that, in doing research and projects in the university, you can't state that your source was with the Use of AI and depending on the level of project or research, Ai detectors may be and if a student is caught using such they definitely don't go on punished.

It amazes me every day how some people are not even able to read a post, and the entire link slips past their eyes just because they are not familiar with the basic functions that exist on the forum. It seems that a lot of members don't know what a Hyperlink is and that the links set up like that don't even exist for them.

Regarding the use of AI for educational purposes, I don't really have a positive opinion about it, because it has become abused to an unprecedented extent - children no longer think for themselves, but only ask questions to AI. Although for some AI in the form it appeared a few years ago is a real blessing, to me it is completely unacceptable and extremely harmful for human society, especially in the long term.

[FatFork]

You are probably missing the fact that both accounts are involved in taking no-collateral loans on the forum, so their potential connection matters in terms of reputation and trust.  I mean, if they were just your average Joes, no one would bat an eye about them being alt accounts. But since they're knee-deep in potentially dodgy stuff, well, that's a different story, wouldn't you say?

You have one chance to guess what country is Boy_chef coming from... aaaand you are right, he is also from Nigeria
How convenient from him do unexpectedly drop in just in this topic after long period of inactivity.
This is obviously just another one of his alt accounts  

Boy_chef only commented twice on the reputation board and he only commented on the Agbamoni and Richbased cases. Very suspicious because there are a lot of interesting discussions (reputation board) but he is only interested in this case. It seems like I take back my statement above and start to feel suspicious that these three accounts are alt or connected

Be careful! Fuckhead ^(*) might as well accuse you of racism for talking bad about members of his local community.


(*) @Boy_chef, I assume that's okay? By the way, which one do you prefer, fuckhead or dickhead?

[The Sceptical Chymist]

This is obviously just another one of his alt accounts  

It's obvious he's an alt of somebody's main account, but I'm not sure whose it is.  It could be one of the members in question or it could be a friend from Nigeria--it's a tight community, so you never know.  I considered just nuking that post as it reads like straight-up trolling, but I decided not to.  It might be useful to have that or any other comments from Boy_chef as evidence (of something) in the future.

The Sceptical Chymist, please I know this seems off topic but please I have to clarify something here please Thanks God bless you...

Not a problem--yeah, it's waaay off-topic, but I'm curious about people's comments on AI (but I don't want this thread to turn into a huge discussion of it, either). 

Regarding the use of AI for educational purposes, I don't really have a positive opinion about it, because it has become abused to an unprecedented extent - children no longer think for themselves, but only ask questions to AI. Although for some AI in the form it appeared a few years ago is a real blessing, to me it is completely unacceptable and extremely harmful for human society, especially in the long term.

Oh, man.  I can't even begin to imagine how high school, college, and even graduate students are going to use it, either to cheat or as a substitute for thinking.  The younger kids start using it as a crutch, the worse off they're going to be.  To say I fear for the future of society, academia, and everything else that's currently doing OK but could be crippled by AI would be an enormous understatement.  Time will tell, and I'm not optimistic.

[Shishir99]

This is probably a pure example of how people screw up themself while trying to prove their innocence. Having an alternative account is allowed. So, if you have an alt account and both are in the campaign, there are no issues. But, if you abuse the forum system like talking to yourself and transferring merits, that is something frowned upon. But what is the punishment here? Probably nothing.

A few weeks or months ago lovesmayfamilis exposed one of our neighbor's alternative accounts who were talking to himself and he was exchanging merits regularly. Which you can see here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5394559.msg63097388#msg63097388 but he is okay with that and still in campaigns.

[SamReomo]

Sometimes users do copy someone else's post in signature campaign applications, a few of them change its details to their own by copying and pasting their details, on the other hand some people copy it and edit some part of it and left some of it unedited.

But, since it was a loan application I don't think something like that would happen with anyone. I think those users might be alt-accounts operating from same system, the reason for that is when someone copies one address for receiving of funds then he forgets that he has multiple accounts running on the same system and mistakenly copy the alt-accounts wallet address details instead of copying the one he intended to copy.

I guess as humans we can't be perfect in showing off because sometimes things get screwed up due to our own human error thing, and that's what I think happened with the guy who copied the details from that other account. No body would have thought that if they had connection with each other or are alt-accounts but that error open the doors of suspicion and that's why others found that those two accounts had merited each other before so they might be operated by the same person.

What I personally noticed after reading most posts of this thread and of that thread is that the guy screwed himself up and nothing else, and it seems more like an alt-account thing to me. I don't know if I'm right or not but most probably it's the same person controlling the both accounts. But, it can also be the case that the accounts might be controlled by two people living in a single place and sharing the same system that they use for posting but probability of that to happen is very low.