Which campaign has the most spammers?

[AB de Royse777]

You are insulting a lot of us @LoyceV LOL

I'm okay with that.

Check the most active posters. Currently, the top 5-24 is completely filled with only Stake signatures:
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Stake doesn't care who they hire, as long as they post a lot (of BS). Their spam was called out 5 years ago, and it's still going.

They actually do. If they wouldn't then you wouldn't see me, yahoo, ognasty and some others in their campaign.

I'm not impressed. Money talks.

For a large campaign like Stake it's not always easy.

So? Nobody said it should be easy, it's a paying job. And if the one doing it can't handle it, he should be replaced.

Their weekly budget can easily be over $5k. With this budget they have mix of good and bad posters.

This is the dumbest thing I've read today. Hiring spammers is a choice, and if anything, it's caused by paying too little money for too many posts.

mix of highly reputed members and average members. Problem with high rep members that they will not chase a certain weekly target, you can not force them to fill up the weekly target even with a very high weekly payment but the average members don't mind to chase the weekly target. So Stake is just balancing between number of posts, cost per week and individual reputation.

That's a long way to describe "spamming".

The cost per posts is the most priority for Stake manager (at least I got the impression when I had a discussion with her) which is why many times you find a lot of spammers but overall I think the campaign is doing fairly well.

You seem to be heavily biased by the fact that they pay you. I'd expect much higher standards from you as a campaign manager.

I admire you but a manager does not only think about one side. For a manager there are three sides to consider.
1. The forum
2. His clients
3. His own business reputation

You are right, Stake is paying me for my signature space and considering the current ecosystem, they are paying me a good amount per week, I am in their VIP list with some others. It's a respect and honour. I appreciate the value they see to spend on me and some others. But that does not challenge my integrity even a bit less. When any advertiser is giving you VIP value, they know well about you and your work in the community. People just don't spend money without a reason except may be Foxpup LOL.

Besides, I don't think I have a record to speak only for the clients who pay me, when necessary. There were many incidents in the past where I rejected payments (= loss of money), stopped campaigns (=loss of money), rejected working for projects (= loss of money) because they did not meet my standard. It would look nicer if you were adding some of these too. The argument would look more fair. Obviously money talks but it does not talk the same for everyone. 

But let's keep it aside, thing is you are not a campaign manager so it's difficult for you to understand the work of a campaign manager. As an outsider it's easy to tell anything you want. When you are in the job, it's way more difficult than you think, if you tell something then you are telling things from your own experience but you are missing it. I welcome you as one of us managers competitors. How many more years you are going to spend posting for signature payments and merit recycling club? :-P

Anyway, all those you said sounds nice in an ideal world but in a practical world where you are spending hard cash, it is different.
1. When a project is paying money they are looking at their gains, the ROI.
2. When you - as a campaign manager is working in a campaign you are looking at the well being of the forum members, the clients and your business.

If all these were easy to handle then we would see everyone would become campaign managers including you LOL

I respect your views of an ideal campaign management but don't expect a campaign manager needs to see things the way you see. They have their own eyes, they have their own working style and own success stories. It's nice if we respect it.

Stake is not different too in that regards. Yes, they can improve but it does not look good when you are disrespectful towards their works.

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[SamReomo]

I believe this is the worst thread that the OP created with intention to increase arguments and nothing else. The worst thing he did is that he added a poll to it, that's a sure way to create hatred and fight between members with differing opinions. OP created this thread and he himself flew away from the scene like a bird but other members have been continuing it with their posts mostly argumentative ones. I request most of you guys to think that why someone creates a thread like this in first place which is meant for creating fights between members of the forum who belong to different signature campaigns?

If his intention is to join a campaign then he should improve his posting standards and be active on the forum, why to ask a question that could be the cause of so many arguments? All those arguments which aren't necessary are going on due to this thread. If I'm not wrong then signature campaigns and the campaign managers who are managing those signature campaigns are doing quite well on this forum. The signature campaigns of this forum are way better than that of other forums, and I'm sure that gambling board is one of the most active boards of this forum with most active members.

I'm quite sure the OP might be checking this thread after every hour and he might be laughing that how he got success in creating hatred on this forum through this thread. I think we all should think once again and see that who's getting any benefit from all those arguments? The OP's thread is getting shilled each time we are posting on it, and he seems to be enjoying it by hiding behind his system which he uses to handle the account. Thus we all should think and understand that there's no need to points finger towards members of any signature campaigns or their members.

[mr.smith]

The title of the thread fully describes the essence of the issue.

I tried to apply to one campaign, but my attempts were unsuccessful. I decided that it was better to know where not to apply so as not to be in a party with spammers.

an interesting topic so you created this thread because you don't want to be part of spammers as if you have the privilege or the luxury to pick the campaign to join, after this thread your chances are not good 

@stake is it possible to change the rule to make it a maximum 6 or 7 posts daily with a fixed number of posts and payment, the participants are committed to creating an essay because it's a pay-per-post type of campaign.

[KingsDen]

We all know that quality of post in this forum is largely measured by the length of post.

Speak for yourself.

Campaign rules of 3 different managers in the forum;

♦️ 150 characters minimum. No links & overusing punctuation will count

▶️ Post must be minimum 150 characters long and constructive.

➥ Posts that do not carry a semantic load or posts whose content is less than 200 characters will not be paid.

[Carollzinha]

First of all, my last message was having someone elses in mind so, I apologize for my mistake @LoyceV

As for @mr.smith & @KingsDen, we already have some changes in mind (but we are still open for any new advice you guys want to give) and we will be discussing it with more details late tomorrow (Sunday). Hope these changes can help the forum community in general.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Ask yourself why CM campaign participants in general were considered to be good posters, and Stake campaign participants are considered to be spammers. It's a direct result of choices made by the campaign manager.

I would say I agree with you 100%, but I think the earning potential of the various campaigns plays a huge part in the pool of potential participants the campaign manager can choose from.  CM was the highest-paying campaign around if I remember correctly, so it got really competitive and wound up with some of the best posters on the forum. 

But hey, I could be missing very important and even obvious factors.  I won't admit to smoking anything funny, but it's two sunrises past my bedtime and my noodle gets a bit loopy whenever I get like this.

I believe this is the worst thread that the OP created with intention to increase arguments and nothing else.

You're probably right, and I think airfinex has a history of sparking drama.  Eh.

[LoyceV]

We all know that quality of post in this forum is largely measured by the length of post.

Speak for yourself.

Campaign rules of 3 different managers in the forum;

♦️ 150 characters minimum. No links & overusing punctuation will count

▶️ Post must be minimum 150 characters long and constructive.

➥ Posts that do not carry a semantic load or posts whose content is less than 200 characters will not be paid.

That has to do with paying for a post, not with the quality. This short post earned 15 Merit from 4 people.
I like how hilariousandco puts it:

A quality/constructive poster will generally have no pattern to their posting history and will have posts ranging from one word to one sentence to several paragraphs and everything in between and this is what you should be aiming for.

If you look at someone's post history, and all you see is endless pages of posts with 2 paragraphs, all with the exact same length, it's obvious they're only posting to reach the spam target. Any natural conversation (real life or on a forum) varies from very short to very long.

Ask yourself why CM campaign participants in general were considered to be good posters, and Stake campaign participants are considered to be spammers. It's a direct result of choices made by the campaign manager.

I would say I agree with you 100%, but I think the earning potential of the various campaigns plays a huge part in the pool of potential participants the campaign manager can choose from.  CM was the highest-paying campaign around if I remember correctly, so it got really competitive and wound up with some of the best posters on the forum.

That's true. And I noticed in my short time as a campaign manager that my best users quickly got swooped away by better paying campaigns. But it's a choice made by the company. Stake could have paid higher rates for less posts, but instead they do this:

The payment limit is $ 100/week (+$25 if win the bonus) per member of this campaign
Up to 25 posts: $1.75 per post
From 26 posts on: $0.50 per post + 20% extra for posts at Gambling Section

They choose to pay for up to 163 posts per week. That gives a great incentive to spam, and since they don't care about quality, the result is that this campaign fills 80% of the Top 25 users with most posts. And I bet (pun intended) they'd all stop posting the moment they don't get paid for it.

[factualplusfallacy]

@Carollzinha
You kid me. You want the forum to run your campaign for you? Sad. Be yourself, don't be LoyceV or anybody. Run your campaign as you like, just don't scam people. Damn anybody. Your money, your right. You broke no rule. He should point it out if you do. No perfect campaign, you may only try your best.

Stake needs traffic to grow, BTT needs traffic to keep valid. No loser here.

LoyceV should be thankful to Stake. If just 5 casinos like Stake leave due to his arrogance, I wonder the panic it may cause. Mixer was banned, see what happened. LoyceV, Stake is now your target, you shall fail.

No campaign with zero bad posters, not the present campaign of LoyceV. BTT members can call a bad poster out not the entire campaign painted bad.

LoyceV is bad, you are evil. The boy is only intoxicated by his relevance on BTT. Without BTT he is nothing, he is self-centered.

BTT should be grateful to Stake and other active businesses needing mutual cooperation. Without them BTT will struggle. How many campaigns have come and gone? My going close to 4years on BTT points that Stake keeps the relationship well.

@Stake...
You may ease the pressure on your posters for higher quality delivery. Your choice. Limiting it to 70 posts a week can be good. You may review the pay per post upward like most managers do to make it easy for them. We have seen similar campaigns like that by the best managers.

Like I said. Your choice.

Don't forget...
Your money, your right. Just don't break any rule.

The respect must be mutual. Not LoyceV's domineering nature. He is only a user who is trying to turn the forum to his personal shop.

[Igebotz]

First of all, my last message was having someone elses in mind so, I apologize for my mistake @LoyceV

As for @mr.smith & @KingsDen, we already have some changes in mind (but we are still open for any new advice you guys want to give) and we will be discussing it with more details late tomorrow (Sunday). Hope these changes can help the forum community in general.

I mentioned in your thread last year that the Stake signature already has the most participants on the forum; if you reduce the weekly max post counts, you'll still achieve a better result, but this time with quality.

You have 80–90 active participants. Even if you cut your weekly max post count to 50-60, you will still have the most viewed avatar and signature as the campaign with the most participants on the forum.

This way, there is less controversy, the forum is happy, and so are the participants.

[nutildah]

Despite OP's trollish intentions, I feel like this turned out to be a pretty good thread. It brought to light an important question of what constitutes "spam." We are still miles away from resolving the question, but this is a healthy discussion to have.

We all know that quality of post in this forum is largely measured by the length of post.

Speak for yourself.

Campaign rules of 3 different managers in the forum;

♦️ 150 characters minimum. No links & overusing punctuation will count

▶️ Post must be minimum 150 characters long and constructive.

➥ Posts that do not carry a semantic load or posts whose content is less than 200 characters will not be paid.

The rule exists because they don't want participants getting paid to crank out a bunch of shitposts that take 30 seconds to type. Its not logical to infer from it that "long post = good." As a matter of fact, the best posts are those that convey the most information in the fewest amount of words.

BTT needs traffic to keep valid.

Like hell it does. Bitcointalk doesn't need squat from anybody except for theymos, to make sure the lights stay on. You opened yet another account to talk trash so soon? My my...

You have 80–90 active participants. Even if you cut your weekly max post count to 50-60, you will still have the most viewed avatar and signature as the campaign with the most participants on the forum.

This way, there is less controversy, the forum is happy, and so are the participants.

I think something along these lines sounds reasonable. Paying for such a huge post count each week naturally encourages spam and shitposts. There is no way to mentally cartwheel yourself away from such an easy inference. The more posts paid, the lower quality the posts, and the higher chance they will be viewed as "spam." It's kind of an unavoidable correlation.

[GxSTxV]

I believe that each member here wearing a signature of any campaign without getting accepted or following the rules set by the campaign manager is mainly representing himself, while when another member is following the rules he wouldn’t be spamming otherwise he would get fired and removed from that campaign. Bitcoin campaigns are not allowing or encouraging spam, quite the opposite they are all against spam.
Probably, from what I have seen, most spammers are the ones wearing altcoin’s signatures, since most of those managers are newbies with new accounts and red tags, not known or trusted among our community.

The campaign managers are not responsible about other members wearing their signature without getting accepted, at the same time you can report any spam post you see in the forum regardless what that member is wearing.  

[Shishir99]

I tried to apply to one campaign, but my attempts were unsuccessful. I decided that it was better to know where not to apply so as not to be in a party with spammers.

Probably you will stop arguing with the managers now? 
I have seen a couple of members who were busting spammers, scammers, alt accounts, and reporting plagiarisms, and suddenly after enrolling in a campaign, they become another average Joe. Some of them ranked up today and they seems like a regular member. But their starting was with exposing alt accounts, and reporting plagiarism. The question always remains, why? Probably they did those job to earn some quick merits and then turned into an average forum member after enrolling the campaign. So, I can see a clear ending of airfinex guy. LOL.

[LoyceV]

The respect must be mutual. Not LoyceV's domineering nature.

Lol. I must have hit a nerve. Who's alt are you? Too afraid to say this from your real account? Figures.

Probably, from what I have seen, most spammers are the ones wearing altcoin’s signatures, since most of those managers are newbies with new accounts and red tags, not known or trusted among our community.

The campaigns paying in made-up tokens are a whole different level indeed.

[stompix]

Campaign rules of 3 different managers in the forum;

♦️ 150 characters minimum. No links & overusing punctuation will count

▶️ Post must be minimum 150 characters long and constructive.

➥ Posts that do not carry a semantic load or posts whose content is less than 200 characters will not be paid.

I'm willing to bet 90% of the users in campaigns would have trouble getting the definition of "semantic load" right without asking chatgpt.

That aside I know a pretty bullet proof way of getting rid of quota spammers, you grab their profile and you check how many times he has broken his usual style of typing either 4 or 6 lines. Just opening that link with the users rated 7 and 9 , lol, and I saw same guys that have 6 pages of constantly 4 lines.
How could you achieve that in a normal discussion?

Seriously, I want to hear from anyone here how in the name of god can you share your truthful and honest opinion on 100 issues and ALWAYS make it in 4 lines, even a robot will crash and spew 2 or 100 lines one time, but some there are more than dedicated to keeping the rhythm going..

[airfinex]

I decided to block the thread because I think that the Stake members cooperated to vote against Duelbits. I saw that even a moderator is involved in this campaign, so I have no doubt that the manager of this campaign properly maintains a high level of moderation.