Escape Debt with Gambling: A Dangerous Cycle

[carlfebz2]

I've read everything the OP said and I think the driving force behind your friend's decision to look for easy ways to bug the casino is because he simply wants to win big and settle his debts but that's actually not the best way to settle debts accrued through gambling.
When a gambler is trying to win big in gambling to settle his debts, his mind is ever ready to engage in any sort of illegality just to make sure he achieves his aim and in most cases, they end up losing more fortunes than they had lost before.

That's right, and if we look at it, it would seem that his friend would do more harm than improve the situation he is having. I think we can get rid of all the problems we have if we do the right thing and by not taking the wrong action. Sometimes, in our desire to make things easier, we don't think about the circumstances that could happen to us, we can't think about the consequences we will receive if we do things wrong, because our focus is only on making money and paying off all the debts we have.

Having some debts or taking up some loans just for the sake of gambling is suicide, you are really just that making yourself that making way more complicated as we do know on how loans do messes up someones life.

This is why as a friend then ti would be best that you should at least having that kind advise about taking the good and ideal steps rather than on trying out on making such steps further on which we
know that it could really make things even more worst. Escape debt with gambling? you are really that making yourself that getting buried by more deeper debt.

If you are really that having some loan problems then it would be best that you should really be that trying out to solve on repaying it gradually.
Dont spend up for some non worth things and as much as possible it would be better that you should really be that avoiding gambling on that time.

[SeaCoinCollector.]

It would be best to distance yourself and refrain from your friend's gambling habit. It's important to keep in mind or recognize that enabling harmful behavior may do more harm than good. It's hard but setting boundaries will be beneficial for both of you in the long run.  Encourage him to seek professional help, but let him know you care for him and you can still show and offer support from a distance. It's okay to be there for them, but it's also okay to step back if it's harming you.

[Su-asa]

Escaping dept with the hope to win gamble is disastrous and might leed to a big problems because you don't have the power on your own to make it win and when they lose you have pay back the dept you are in. You rather pay the little you have than to gamble with it while thinking to win when you gamble. As you manage to win you the money you won might not be able to pay for the dept and this situation might put you on a bigger dept which means you can not be able to home out easily. Gamble to pay dept will only make you gamble on pressure as your mind won't be settled to gamble with mind free.

[rahmad2nd]

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I haven't replied to him and I am not answering his call as I feel I would be doing injustice if I say yes. I am confused and do not know what to do, what do you guys suggest?

Very long thread, but short points, the essence is related to debt, addiction, which affects your friend's mindset psychologically. let's assume, suppose someone can find a bug or loophole to figure out the gambling system. Logically, it's simple, someone will not share their tricks with other people, including those closest to them. because if the casino platform finds out that there is something strange and odd, they will quickly change their system. and don't forget, as far as I know, the developer or casino has security that is fully operational throughout the day to prevent errors, fraud and other things. well, at this point we've finished discussing points about bugs.

As for your friend, it seems like his mindset has influenced his psychology to think rationally. so, it tries to do things like you said in your thread. now we are talking about your friend, if you want your friend to realize that his actions have gone too far, help him according to his portion. No need to overdo it, if you have objections. in short, do what you think is right for you to do. as a friend, it is your duty to provide assistance. without having to help pay off the debt, especially in a very large amount. give him the understanding, knowledge and consequences he has experienced so far. the rest, it's up to your friends to decide. referring to the title of this thread, I can't comment on what you said. because, that is your personal right. I just want to say, know the risks behind gambling and know the limits of what we can afford. that way, gambling will not lead to debt and become a dangerous cycle. in essence, understanding is very important to be involved in this fun hobby.

[GxSTxV]

This is the way our world really works nowadays, where people will do anything just to survive from debts and earn money, banks doesn’t care if they take away your house or even your kids if you don’t pay them back in time as long as you took a loan from them, you will live under their own mercy until paying them back.
Choosing gambling as an escape or for a way to make money while you are in debt it’s the most ignorant thing anyone could do especially as you mentioned that thing guy is a father, responsibilities of taking care of a family always comes first.

You should answer his call to help him gamble and lose all that money, and it’s hard for you now to give him money to pay his debt knowing his intentions now to gamble, and not just any gambling but using tricks and unauthorized activities inside a casino with their games, I believe that it won’t be possible for him to withdraw the earning funds once the casino suspect a high balance and also verify their games.
It’s better for you to help him with something else than gambling.

[Accardo]

Escaping dept with the hope to win gamble is disastrous and might leed to a big problems because you don't have the power on your own to make it win and when they lose you have pay back the dept you are in. You rather pay the little you have than to gamble with it while thinking to win when you gamble. As you manage to win you the money you won might not be able to pay for the dept and this situation might put you on a bigger dept which means you can not be able to home out easily. Gamble to pay dept will only make you gamble on pressure as your mind won't be settled to gamble with mind free.

Those pressures only make the gambler to end up in pains, like the person in Op's story. Those thoughts are quite not good for anyone, especially in things as gambling. I've seen many other gamblers who end up being in a severe sickness for not being able to meet up with their debts, accumulated for the sake of gambling. However, gambling is a game for players who care about being financially stable, not for people who want to terminate their existing financial status for a wealth which they are foreseeing. When the debt is too much to clear, the person ends up depressed and get more addicted into gambling hoping that the wins appear someday.

[Crypt0Gore]

I know someone who escaped his debt using gambling but it was more complicated than you think, the was never a gambler but his mother was admitted into a local hospital and an operation was needed to carry out, he reached out to me then and I contributed what I could afford but he never disclosed it to anyone including me until he took the risk and luckily he won.

He was able to pay for the operation and he was able to pay back some debts too, this was like a break through for him, because since that time every start going well for him, when I heard about what he did later I was furious and I felt like beating him up, what came to my mind was if he lost the money, what could have happened?

He said he had no choice, I asked myself if I would have done the same, but I knew I could not because losing everything to gambling is the most feared in my own way, I don't want to end up like those who lost everything they once had to gambling, I am very careful around gambling.

[Weawant]

Escaping dept with the hope to win gamble is disastrous and might leed to a big problems because you don't have the power on your own to make it win and when they lose you have pay back the dept you are in. You rather pay the little you have than to gamble with it while thinking to win when you gamble. As you manage to win you the money you won might not be able to pay for the dept and this situation might put you on a bigger dept which means you can not be able to home out easily. Gamble to pay dept will only make you gamble on pressure as your mind won't be settled to gamble with mind free.

Gambling with loans money is a very risky thing that I don't really think I will advise anyone to consider because they will definitely have issues along the way as its not something that you can really put your hope on to enable you pay your debt, as it's a 50/50 chances more like probability without any certainty attached.

If you have some of your funds with you to offset your debt, it's better to first make payments of that first then you allow yourself some time and pay up the remaining probably you could plead for time from your creditors to enable you pay your debt but if you allow yourself to risk it with gambling you may end up still being in that debt and not really been able to pay off as at when due rather than getting in to trouble because you wanted to double the money.

[aioc]

I haven't replied to him and I am not answering his call as I feel I would be doing injustice if I say yes. I am confused and do not know what to do, what do you guys suggest?

There's nothing wrong with what you did you are also a gambler you understand how gamblers lie just to regain what they lose, don't fall for his trick, there's a lot of uncertainty in gambling, and even if he successfully cheats the casino do you think he is wise enough, casinos are complete with an anti-cheat and they will always question or they will verify your winnings to see if it comes naturally or coming from cheats.

And you have no obligation to help him with his debt unless you are a very rich guy and can shoulder other people's debt which I doubt you will, as a gambler, you should know all the warning signs of gambler issues and if you have a friend with issues shouldering his debt is not the right way, help him overcome his addiction is the right way.

[Dewi Aries]

Escaping dept with the hope to win gamble is disastrous and might leed to a big problems because you don't have the power on your own to make it win and when they lose you have pay back the dept you are in. You rather pay the little you have than to gamble with it while thinking to win when you gamble. As you manage to win you the money you won might not be able to pay for the dept and this situation might put you on a bigger dept which means you can not be able to home out easily. Gamble to pay dept will only make you gamble on pressure as your mind won't be settled to gamble with mind free.

Those pressures only make the gambler to end up in pains, like the person in Op's story. Those thoughts are quite not good for anyone, especially in things as gambling. I've seen many other gamblers who end up being in a severe sickness for not being able to meet up with their debts, accumulated for the sake of gambling. However, gambling is a game for players who care about being financially stable, not for people who want to terminate their existing financial status for a wealth which they are foreseeing. When the debt is too much to clear, the person ends up depressed and get more addicted into gambling hoping that the wins appear someday.

Yes because it is a fact that many gamblers end up stressed or depressed due to not being able to withstand all the tension and pressure in a problematic situation, the idea of paying off debt by gambling is a very careless or even stupid mindset and idea, because gambling is not a cure for financial problems, but rather an activity that provides nothing more than "odds" which means "the possibility" of getting something but without having any certainty to actually guarantee you can win at the end of the session. In the end, it is clear that overcoming financial problems with gambling will actually make someone worse or get into debt, or simply gambling can give you more problems. We must really have the right understanding about gambling, do not get the wrong understanding because it can be fatal in the end. So the point is not to let the chance of winning in gambling make you conclude that gambling can solve financial problems or can make you rich instantly, NO, that's a dangerous mindset, the uncertainty in the results at the end of the session will frustrate all your plans and will make you regret it.

[Slow death]

I am confused and do not know what to do, what do you guys suggest?

For me it's simple: your friend is asking you to help him, so he asks your friend who the loan shark is, where the loan shark lives and what the value of the debt is and then you tell your friend to go to that loan shark and if you If you want to help your friend then pay his debt, you can pay all or part of it so that the debt will be reduced but don't give the money directly to your friend, give the money to the loan shark. It often takes people a long time to realize that they are dealing with a person who is addicted to gambling. the moment your friend takes money intended for bills, money intended to pay debts and takes it to play, then your friend has lost control of himself, he is addicted to gambling

as he is addicted to gambling and this is a serious illness, so it is important that you report this to his family because it will be necessary for his family to immediately go to court claiming that he is addicted and incapable of keeping money and material goods and the The judge will issue a mandate so that your friend no longer accesses his assets and is taken to be treated in a hospital urgently and only with a document from a doctor certifying that he is in good health and that the judge will release his assets

These measures are harsh, they are the type of things that generate fights in families and even lead to deaths, but it is necessary because if you don't admit your friend, he will eventually steal and kill to have money to continue playing and will always use the argument that he He wants money to pay the debt and will not accept that he is sick and needs to be treated. That's why it is necessary to go to court and he will be taken to the hospital by force where he will be isolated from the world and will only leave with the judge's authorization when the doctor shows proof that he is cured

[Hanadawa]

Choosing gambling as an escape or for a way to make money while you are in debt it’s the most ignorant thing anyone could do especially as you mentioned that thing guy is a father, responsibilities of taking care of a family always comes first.

I often say that making gambling a source of income is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. You won't really be able to win from gambling. Honestly, I think gambling is a game, where there will be winners and there will be winners. And in games the most important thing to look for is to have fun in it. So I'm confused when someone thinks of making gambling their job because they think it's easy to get money if they win. You have forgotten one important aspect of a game, fun.

[Accardo]

Those pressures only make the gambler to end up in pains, like the person in Op's story. Those thoughts are quite not good for anyone, especially in things as gambling. I've seen many other gamblers who end up being in a severe sickness for not being able to meet up with their debts, accumulated for the sake of gambling. However, gambling is a game for players who care about being financially stable, not for people who want to terminate their existing financial status for a wealth which they are foreseeing. When the debt is too much to clear, the person ends up depressed and get more addicted into gambling hoping that the wins appear someday.

Yes because it is a fact that many gamblers end up stressed or depressed due to not being able to withstand all the tension and pressure in a problematic situation, the idea of paying off debt by gambling is a very careless or even stupid mindset and idea, because gambling is not a cure for financial problems, but rather an activity that provides nothing more than "odds" which means "the possibility" of getting something but without having any certainty to actually guarantee you can win at the end of the session. In the end, it is clear that overcoming financial problems with gambling will actually make someone worse or get into debt, or simply gambling can give you more problems. We must really have the right understanding about gambling, do not get the wrong understanding because it can be fatal in the end. So the point is not to let the chance of winning in gambling make you conclude that gambling can solve financial problems or can make you rich instantly, NO, that's a dangerous mindset, the uncertainty in the results at the end of the session will frustrate all your plans and will make you regret it.

Those thoughts are from gamblers who don't have the main orientation needed before venturing into their gambling journey. Most newbies ended up gamblers because a friend made some wins through gambling. I was once in that shoe, luckily, it didn't last for a long time till I retraced my ways. Gambling has no certain method of winning, hence, nobody is advised to take it to the level of borrowing money to wager in casino. The player if he wins, will still return the money back to the loan shark. Such things level up the stress of the gambler, and some still go ahead to gamble more, to be able to earn a sustainable amount that'll cover for both the debt and settle their financial responsibilities. Gamblers need to follow a nice method that'll remove those embarrassing mindsets from their memory and focus on being a good gambler that wagers to learn and earn when the time comes.

[killerfrost]

Come on, good things like that only happen in movies. If someone has a real secret to "making money", they will never share it with you, they just keep those secrets to enjoy life. So, when someone promises to help you get rich quickly, be careful, they may be scamming you. Investing is a great way to make your money grow, but remember that there's no guarantee you'll get rich. There is always risk, and you could lose money. So, before investing, please research carefully and understand the risks involved.

Listen to the tips "every time you win" in gambling Gambling is a game of chance, and no one can guarantee you will win. So, if someone brags that they have the secret to winning money, be suspicious of them, they may be trying to scam you for money. Greed Greed can motivate you to try hard, but it can also cause you to make wrong decisions. When you're too focused on making money, you can easily get caught up in promises of "money making" or risky investments. So, always be alert and don't let greed cloud your reason. Sincere advice If you want to become rich, the best way is to focus on self-development. Gain knowledge, hone your skills, and create plans for the future. Be patient and consistent, and don't be afraid to take calculated risks. While there's no guarantee you'll get rich, if you follow these tips, you'll have a better chance of success.

[SamReomo]

I had to spend $10 from my pocket to convince him that the casino does not have a bug. I had to sit with him and play the game that he thinks can be rigged with my own money and the bugger still thinks that I am trying to fool him. He is now asking all his friends who are into gambling to help him as he got hold of the individual who won big time from the casino.

In that case I suggest you to contact the support team of the casino and tell them about the bug. It's the casino that should fix the bug so users can't exploit it. It would be a great step taken by your side and trust me you won't regret it anytime.

Helping someone else won't cause you troubles but looting someone else does. So consider the owner of casino as a human being who is spending a lot of money on his business model and is working day and night in hope to get some revenue.

[borovichok]

I often say that making gambling a source of income is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. You won't really be able to win from gambling. Honestly, I think gambling is a game, where there will be winners and there will be winners. And in games the most important thing to look for is to have fun in it. So I'm confused when someone thinks of making gambling their job because they think it's easy to get money if they win. You have forgotten one important aspect of a game, fun.

I don't think any rational-thinking person will make gambling a source of income. Unlike employment, gambling does not involve a level of control or predictability that is necessary for sustainable income generation. In most forms of gambling, outcomes are determined by random chance rather than skill or effort, making it difficult for individuals to influence the results in their favour consistently.

The unpredictable nature of gambling outcomes means that there is a high likelihood of losing money rather than making a profit. Relying on gambling winnings to cover living expenses or financial obligations can lead to financial instability and potential debt problems. The lure of potential winnings can create a cycle of dependency that is difficult to break, further exacerbating the negative consequences associated with relying on gambling for income.

[klidex]

Escaping dept with the hope to win gamble is disastrous and might leed to a big problems because you don't have the power on your own to make it win and when they lose you have pay back the dept you are in. You rather pay the little you have than to gamble with it while thinking to win when you gamble. As you manage to win you the money you won might not be able to pay for the dept and this situation might put you on a bigger dept which means you can not be able to home out easily. Gamble to pay dept will only make you gamble on pressure as your mind won't be settled to gamble with mind free.

Those pressures only make the gambler to end up in pains, like the person in Op's story. Those thoughts are quite not good for anyone, especially in things as gambling. I've seen many other gamblers who end up being in a severe sickness for not being able to meet up with their debts, accumulated for the sake of gambling. However, gambling is a game for players who care about being financially stable, not for people who want to terminate their existing financial status for a wealth which they are foreseeing. When the debt is too much to clear, the person ends up depressed and get more addicted into gambling hoping that the wins appear someday.

Yes because it is a fact that many gamblers end up stressed or depressed due to not being able to withstand all the tension and pressure in a problematic situation, the idea of paying off debt by gambling is a very careless or even stupid mindset and idea, because gambling is not a cure for financial problems, but rather an activity that provides nothing more than "odds" which means "the possibility" of getting something but without having any certainty to actually guarantee you can win at the end of the session. In the end, it is clear that overcoming financial problems with gambling will actually make someone worse or get into debt, or simply gambling can give you more problems. We must really have the right understanding about gambling, do not get the wrong understanding because it can be fatal in the end. So the point is not to let the chance of winning in gambling make you conclude that gambling can solve financial problems or can make you rich instantly, NO, that's a dangerous mindset, the uncertainty in the results at the end of the session will frustrate all your plans and will make you regret it.

And usually people who are unable to endure their complex problems will do things that are out of control, such as committing suicide, because they feel that there is no longer any way out to solve their problems because they think that gambling can solve their problems, but it turns out that it actually adds to their burden because of the possibility Their debts are piling up and they can't pay them off, and yes I agree with you that paying off debts by gambling is a very wrong thing because there is no definite guarantee that a big gambling opportunity can double their money instantly even though it requires luck.

Of course you are right to overcome problems with gambling, it will add to new problems if you continue to experience losses and if you continue to experience losses, of course it will be increasingly difficult for you to pay off your debts and become increasingly burdened, so if you want to pay off your debts it is better to avoid gambling for a while and look for work. which will definitely make money so that your debt will be resolved quickly.

[0t3p0t]

I haven't replied to him and I am not answering his call as I feel I would be doing injustice if I say yes. I am confused and do not know what to do, what do you guys suggest?

That is a tough decision to make to be honest as that guy is your friend. I mean conscience will haunt you everytime you remember him. But for me if I am on the situation I will tell him frankly that I cannot help him about it so he won't be expecting something from you. If you will tolerate your friend you might put him into a much worse situation than he currently have. Finding a job is for me the best solution if he has plans to repay that debt.

[joniboini]

I mean conscience will haunt you everytime you remember him. But for me if I am on the situation I will tell him frankly that I cannot help him about it so he won't be expecting something from you. If you will tolerate your friend you might put him into a much worse situation than he currently have. Finding a job is for me the best solution if he has plans to repay that debt.

Nice decision. There is definitely a line between helping friends and being so gullible you got tricked into shouldering debts that were never yours to begin with. Not to mention OP's friend kinda feels like he's trying to use OP to fix his problem to some extent. While you can help him if they ask you for a $100 loan, doesn't mean you should loan him $10k because he said so. I don't think a friend will force you to do that either.

I had to spend $10 from my pocket to convince him that the casino does not have a bug. I had to sit with him and play the game that he thinks can be rigged with my own money and the bugger still thinks that I am trying to fool him. He is now asking all his friends who are into gambling to help him as he got hold of the individual who won big time from the casino.

In that case I suggest you to contact the support team of the casino and tell them about the bug. It's the casino that should fix the bug so users can't exploit it. It would be a great step taken by your side and trust me you won't regret it anytime.

I think he's saying that there's no bug, but his friend insists that something must be faulty because he's desperate to make money as quickly and as much as possible. OP, If I were you and I couldn't talk some sense into his head, maybe I'd just ignore him until he can listen.

[Hanadawa]

I think he's saying that there's no bug, but his friend insists that something must be faulty because he's desperate to make money as quickly and as much as possible. OP, If I were you and I couldn't talk some sense into his head, maybe I'd just ignore him until he can listen.

On the first page OP says that his friend got information from a friend of OP's friend who said that there was a casino that could be rigged. And in the thread on this page it looks like the OP has already burned his $10 to prove to his friends that the casinos can't be rigged. Then OP's friend asked other friends to help him try to find the bug in the casino. Am I right??

If that's true, I'm not surprised why you call him a troublemaker. I think your friend is in big trouble. He had a lot of debt from online gambling and because of the great pressure he ended up hallucinating and believing that there were casinos that could really be rigged.