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Sometimes I wonder if the lottery commissions cares about the interests of the stakers. The lottery commission wouldn't care if the stakers looses their stakes as a comprise of the lottery sites manipulating the systems program in a way that they can twart (redirect) one chances to redeem a prosperous winning but when a staker hits attractively huge in the lottery, all eyes Will be on deck checkmating and investigating if the stakers boycotted they lottery system for such a prominent winning. Does it mean they never expected or wanted anyone to hit such value of winning in the first place? Let's talk about one Mr Stefan Mandel, a Romania-Australian mathematician who succeeded to hit millions and thousands of US dollars for 14 consecutive times which has got the lottery commissions worried about the possibilities of his several hitting the jackpot which series of investigations has been engaged on him to find if he uses tricks to profer him the prosperities but he defended his winning strategies was at the virtues of implying mathematical logic terms while he picks his prediction numbers. They basically craved on how they could charge him with a persecution that he cheated or using a trick in one way or the other because his winnings has been overwhelmed but after much investigations he was vindicated and walked out free from all the assorted negatives forces of the false accusations. The cause of this mans prosperous hitting the jackpots without being indicted on any accusations has caused the lottery to amend it's rules. https://www.unilad.com/community/life/man-who-won-lottery-14-times-explains-how-941995-20240215It should be believed that the lottery did this rule changes for their own favour and not considering the stwkeri
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PytagoraZ
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Jolly? I think I've heard that name before. hmm
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February 17, 2024, 12:23:07 PM |
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I've never played lottery so I don't know how the lottery game works, but so far I know the lottery is a game about probability. And maybe it can be calculated mathematically, but I am sure that even though it can be calculated mathematically, it still requires large lottery purchases to increase chances of winning
Another possibility that could happen if the lottery is randomized using an algorithm is that if someone knows how the algorithm works then there is a possibility that he can calculate which numbers will come out.
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acroman08
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February 17, 2024, 12:46:12 PM |
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there is a thread posted about this guy, I also read on an article and posted on that thread on how he supposedly managed to win 14 times on the lottery (I am quoting the supposed step by step on how he did it below). Here's the 6-step formula for how Mandel managed to make serious cash from the lottery
1. Calculate the total number of possible combinations. (For a lottery that requires you to pick six numbers from 1 to 40, that means 3,838,380 combinations.)
2.Find lotteries where the jackpot is three times or more the number of possible combinations.
3.Raise enough cash to pay for each combination. (Mandel rounded up 2,524 investors for his push to win the Virginia lottery.)
4.Print out millions of tickets with every combination. (This used to be legal. Now you would have to buy the tickets right from the store.)
5.Deliver the tickets to authorized lottery dealers.
6.Win the cash. And don't forget to pay your investors. (Mandel pocketed $97,000 after a $1.3 million win in 1987.)
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February 17, 2024, 01:01:34 PM |
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Never played the lotto because that's what I believed, it's rigged. Most lotteries are national lottery or state lottery like in the US and if the government is the one deciding who will win the jackpot then, can we really trust that? This Mandel guy who says it's just Mathematics, I surely doubt we can win in that kind of attack. The system looks for combinations that will not let anyone win for a long time which is why the pot keeps on growing to millions of dollars. It's actually a simple task that must be done but is considered rigging. But, who will we point fingers at? This industry is being held by the government itself so they cannot simply just trash any cases that will be filed against it. And, who is stupid enough to do that? Most people who are betting here are trying to make a fortune using little hope and I bet no gambler could afford to waste time digging about the fishy system of a government lottery.
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February 17, 2024, 01:05:50 PM |
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there is a thread posted about this guy, I also read on an article and posted on that thread on how he supposedly managed to win 14 times on the lottery (I am quoting the supposed step by step on how he did it below). Here's the 6-step formula for how Mandel managed to make serious cash from the lottery
1. Calculate the total number of possible combinations. (For a lottery that requires you to pick six numbers from 1 to 40, that means 3,838,380 combinations.)
2.Find lotteries where the jackpot is three times or more the number of possible combinations.
3.Raise enough cash to pay for each combination. (Mandel rounded up 2,524 investors for his push to win the Virginia lottery.)
4.Print out millions of tickets with every combination. (This used to be legal. Now you would have to buy the tickets right from the store.)
5.Deliver the tickets to authorized lottery dealers.
6.Win the cash. And don't forget to pay your investors. (Mandel pocketed $97,000 after a $1.3 million win in 1987.)
Wow, $97000 back in 1987 was a huge amount. It's a life changing amount for many people. One thing I didn't understand is that, doesn't the total cost of all the combinations of tickets add up to more than the winning amount in the lottery ? Why would anyone pay for a lottery out of their pockets if the total amount collected through selling these tickets is not more than the winning amount in lottery.
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acroman08
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February 17, 2024, 02:02:31 PM Last edit: February 17, 2024, 02:13:18 PM by acroman08 |
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Wow, $97000 back in 1987 was a huge amount. It's a life changing amount for many people. One thing I didn't understand is that, doesn't the total cost of all the combinations of tickets add up to more than the winning amount in the lottery ? Why would anyone pay for a lottery out of their pockets if the total amount collected through selling these tickets is not more than the winning amount in lottery.
it's possible that he didn't buy all the possible combinations because he didn't have enough funds or there are missing information about that specific win, but as far as I know, he also won in 1992 where they printed about 7.1million tickets(which was every possible combination on that specific lottery) and he ended up winning the jackpot which was $27Million. here's the article where I read his 1992 win https://www.businessinsider.com/how-one-guy-won-the-lottery-14-times-2016-1
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bittraffic
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February 17, 2024, 03:55:25 PM |
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He was bankrupt in the end though. The rules were changed because of what he had done which looks like not really cheating but just bulk-buying tickets with every possible combination.
I guess he used his money to pay the lawyers for years fighting the case. I think if you win the lottery for once in your life, you shouldn't try your luck again because if you win again, the CIA and FBI will investigate you for winning again.
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February 17, 2024, 04:00:57 PM |
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Sometimes I wonder if the lottery commissions cares about the interests of the stakers. The lottery commission wouldn't care if the stakers looses their stakes as a comprise of the lottery sites manipulating the systems program in a way that they can twart (redirect) one chances to redeem a prosperous winning but when a staker hits attractively huge in the lottery, all eyes Will be on deck checkmating and investigating if the stakers boycotted they lottery system for such a prominent winning. Does it mean they never expected or wanted anyone to hit such value of winning in the first place? Let's talk about one Mr Stefan Mandel, a Romania-Australian mathematician who succeeded to hit millions and thousands of US dollars for 14 consecutive times which has got the lottery commissions worried about the possibilities of his several hitting the jackpot which series of investigations has been engaged on him to find if he uses tricks to profer him the prosperities but he defended his winning strategies was at the virtues of implying mathematical logic terms while he picks his prediction numbers. They basically craved on how they could charge him with a persecution that he cheated or using a trick in one way or the other because his winnings has been overwhelmed but after much investigations he was vindicated and walked out free from all the assorted negatives forces of the false accusations. The cause of this mans prosperous hitting the jackpots without being indicted on any accusations has caused the lottery to amend it's rules. https://www.unilad.com/community/life/man-who-won-lottery-14-times-explains-how-941995-20240215It should be believed that the lottery did this rule changes for their own favour and not considering the stwkeri It was a flawed lottery or it is not possible to hit 14 times multimillion lotteries when playing them.Now I know that in 6 from 49 you need 13.900.000 tickets to get a sure win but the cost to get those tickets usually exceeds the biggest prize this lottery has to offer so it is a no go.The lottery we have here is 15 from 90 and it is almost impossible to win it in consecutive times yet many people have won it already through the years as it runs every week and every week a prize from 10.000 EUR to 150.000 EUR is gotten every week. I see he had used a strategy,an algorithm number picking to get as many possible tickets to get the big win but the number of tickets to be less than the jackpot prize,I don't think he cheated,he only was favored by probability in this case.
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February 17, 2024, 04:12:25 PM |
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He was bankrupt in the end though. The rules were changed because of what he had done which looks like not really cheating but just bulk-buying tickets with every possible combination.
I guess he used his money to pay the lawyers for years fighting the case. I think if you win the lottery for once in your life, you shouldn't try your luck again because if you win again, the CIA and FBI will investigate you for winning again.
I think that's unfair, should such an implementation stop us from seeking our fortunes from gambling? why not apply it to losing and winning, why should only the winner be followed up, if he buys randomly with the combination he did it is normal, and there is no cheating, it would be a shame if he had to go bankrupt
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Gozie51
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February 17, 2024, 04:14:54 PM |
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The lottery rules were changed to ban punters from bulk-buying tickets as well as the use of computer-generated tickets to ensure no one else could replicate Mandel's methods. I think he was smart enough to think of buying bunch of tickets to give him much chance which he called "combinatorial condensation" but apart from that, he is such a risk taker who wanted to explore his mathematical prowess in the gambling world by combining numbers . This is intriguing, maybe he ended as one of the big winners in the gambling world who later went bankrupt after trying his hands and luck in other endeavours. This seem to be an example of the lose on of gambling.
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AbuBhakar
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February 17, 2024, 04:26:47 PM |
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there is a thread posted about this guy, I also read on an article and posted on that thread on how he supposedly managed to win 14 times on the lottery (I am quoting the supposed step by step on how he did it below). Here's the 6-step formula for how Mandel managed to make serious cash from the lottery
1. Calculate the total number of possible combinations. (For a lottery that requires you to pick six numbers from 1 to 40, that means 3,838,380 combinations.)
2.Find lotteries where the jackpot is three times or more the number of possible combinations.
3.Raise enough cash to pay for each combination. (Mandel rounded up 2,524 investors for his push to win the Virginia lottery.)
4.Print out millions of tickets with every combination. (This used to be legal. Now you would have to buy the tickets right from the store.)
5.Deliver the tickets to authorized lottery dealers.
6.Win the cash. And don't forget to pay your investors. (Mandel pocketed $97,000 after a $1.3 million win in 1987.)
I was thinking the same in able to do this kind of multiple win on a lottery. Lottery commissioner is just dumb enough to investigate on this since they don’t any rules to limit the number of ticket a person can hold. Besides, the jackpot prize was supposed to be distributed anyway whoever won which I’m confused why the lottery commissioner consider this as problem on their side assuming that they are not in loss if same user won using a sure bet strategy. The only danger on this strategy is when there is multiple winner that will split the prize. Like what happened on PH lottery that bunch of players won the jackpot.
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February 17, 2024, 04:49:05 PM |
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He was bankrupt in the end though. The rules were changed because of what he had done which looks like not really cheating but just bulk-buying tickets with every possible combination.
I guess he used his money to pay the lawyers for years fighting the case. I think if you win the lottery for once in your life, you shouldn't try your luck again because if you win again, the CIA and FBI will investigate you for winning again.
I think that's unfair, should such an implementation stop us from seeking our fortunes from gambling? why not apply it to losing and winning, why should only the winner be followed up, if he buys randomly with the combination he did it is normal, and there is no cheating, it would be a shame if he had to go bankrupt 14 times. Who does that anyway, any government that runs a lottery will really be suspecting what he is doing that he won several times. It is record-breaking and the government will look into whether someone from the inside made him win the lottery. Though proven he is not cheating, its best to just change the rules. Yes, it's unfair but I'm guessing this is done to give opportunities to the rest who are hoping to win as well. And as long as this guy will have the chance to buy tickets in bulk, those hopefuls might not even buy one ticket for themselves.
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February 18, 2024, 05:47:06 AM |
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He is mathematician and the mindset of mathematician is logical because they use exact science, think rationally using logic and skills in combining various numbers or formulas that can produce accurate numbers. This is skill that really cannot be denied or said to be fraud, but from this it is clear that lottery providers really feel panic if they go bankrupt because someone gets the jackpot very often. It is not surprising that several lottery providers have made changes to their regulations, all of this is done to minimize the number of gamblers who are able to penetrate the algorithms they create randomly.
But what is clear is that not everyone or mathematicians can do it because it requires research and various trials to truly achieve success. I think Stefan Mandel is one of the few people who has succeeded in using mathematics in gambling, hahaha he will be person who has the potential to cause bankruptcy for lottery providers or commissions.
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February 18, 2024, 06:48:57 AM |
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He was bankrupt in the end though. The rules were changed because of what he had done which looks like not really cheating but just bulk-buying tickets with every possible combination.
I guess he used his money to pay the lawyers for years fighting the case. I think if you win the lottery for once in your life, you shouldn't try your luck again because if you win again, the CIA and FBI will investigate you for winning again.
I think that's unfair, should such an implementation stop us from seeking our fortunes from gambling? why not apply it to losing and winning, why should only the winner be followed up, if he buys randomly with the combination he did it is normal, and there is no cheating, it would be a shame if he had to go bankrupt 14 times. Who does that anyway, any government that runs a lottery will really be suspecting what he is doing that he won several times. It is record-breaking and the government will look into whether someone from the inside made him win the lottery. Though proven he is not cheating, its best to just change the rules. Yes, it's unfair but I'm guessing this is done to give opportunities to the rest who are hoping to win as well. And as long as this guy will have the chance to buy tickets in bulk, those hopefuls might not even buy one ticket for themselves. Even 3x-5x would already giving out that alarm or would be having those questions in mind on how the heck this thing do happen? How much more in 14x consecutive on which those commissions would really be panicking and me throwing those accusations about cheating or whatever that they could throw about but since they have seen about mathematical logic and applications then it is really just that normal that there's nothing that could be charged against him. Thing now is on how to changed up with those lottery rules whether they would really be limitting the same winners on the time that it would be able to hit up 2x consecutive or something like this? We do know about probabilities on which we know that when it comes to mathematical probabilities then there's no way on avoiding it out. This is why limitations should really be that set rather.
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February 18, 2024, 08:47:42 AM |
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Lottery commissions tweak their rules when someone like tht Stefan Mandel wins big repeatedly. They claim it's to keep things fair but many wonder if it's just to protect their own interests. It's a tricky balance between preventing cheating and making sure regular players get a fair shot at the jackpot
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February 18, 2024, 08:55:02 AM |
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He was bankrupt in the end though. The rules were changed because of what he had done which looks like not really cheating but just bulk-buying tickets with every possible combination.
I guess he used his money to pay the lawyers for years fighting the case. I think if you win the lottery for once in your life, you shouldn't try your luck again because if you win again, the CIA and FBI will investigate you for winning again.
On his case. He is not really trying his luck but rather using math to earn profit on a supposed luck based game. It’s sad reality that he ended bankruptcy despite he is just calculated betting without any form of cheating since he literally cover all the possible outcome. I’m still confused why he needs to face legal battle for cheating accusations while lottery is cheat proof game because the draw is live especially if Stefan doesn’t have any connections inside.
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February 18, 2024, 01:27:00 PM |
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I've never won the lottery, so I don't know how to manipulate the results. Maybe manipulating the results exists but I think there must be lucky people who can guess lottery numbers like that person who is a mathematician. And I think some people can get a lot of luck, which allows them to win the jackpot prize. If someone manages to win the jackpot and he can get it many times, maybe he is lucky so he can get the jackpot prize. After all, not many people can win the jackpot prize because it depends on luck. Maybe that person could guess correctly so that he was the one who managed to get the jackpot many times. The lottery commission could block him from buying the lottery again because of concerns that he might win again, but that would raise suspicion among the public that his lottery game was manipulated by the casino so that no one could win.
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February 18, 2024, 02:53:27 PM |
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Wow, $97000 back in 1987 was a huge amount. It's a life changing amount for many people. One thing I didn't understand is that, doesn't the total cost of all the combinations of tickets add up to more than the winning amount in the lottery ? Why would anyone pay for a lottery out of their pockets if the total amount collected through selling these tickets is not more than the winning amount in lottery.
it's possible that he didn't buy all the possible combinations because he didn't have enough funds or there are missing information about that specific win, but as far as I know, he also won in 1992 where they printed about 7.1million tickets(which was every possible combination on that specific lottery) and he ended up winning the jackpot which was $27Million. here's the article where I read his 1992 win https://www.businessinsider.com/how-one-guy-won-the-lottery-14-times-2016-1After reading the article you mentioned it looks like he actually purchased all the possible combinations he thought would win him the jackpot. That's impressive and it takes real guts to think of such a strategy and implement it in real life. He was bankrupt in the end though. The rules were changed because of what he had done which looks like not really cheating but just bulk-buying tickets with every possible combination.
I guess he used his money to pay the lawyers for years fighting the case. I think if you win the lottery for once in your life, you shouldn't try your luck again because if you win again, the CIA and FBI will investigate you for winning again.
That's really unfair because if there's a flaw in the system and someone is taking advantage of it then it's the business that should own it up. Changing the rules was a good decision but filing a lawsuit against the lottery winner isn't the right thing to do.
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I have always considered the lottery to be the worst thing that someone could do, because the chances of a person being able to get the right ticket and win a lot of money are very low and in my opinion it is not worth buying these lottery tickets every day. , from what I have observed in my country, my country's lottery company has installed machines in every corner of my country, they are electronic machines that allow people to buy tickets, so many people end up buying a lot of lottery tickets, when I look at the price of the lottery ticket vs the prize for the lottery winner, I see a very big difference, I would venture to say that probably the lottery company in my country can get 10X the amount they pay to the lottery winner .
and when I think that there are many people in my country who are spending money every day buying lots of lottery tickets instead of using the money to buy things they need to live happily, I feel sad about that, because while they are spending money on buying tickets, the owners of the lottery company are getting rich every month, and it makes it even sadder to see that with every ticket those people buy, they are also paying tax. In other words, the government is making money from all of this. I have nothing against the lottery, but I think there has been a huge exaggeration in my country. By this I mean that lottery companies already have an advantage over players
The rules made by lottery companies are for the exclusive benefit of the lottery company, and who can prove that someone actually won the lottery? If the company doesn't show the face of my country's lottery winner? I always asked myself this question until I started to doubt that there is any real winner, because it doesn't make any sense. I always thank myself for not liking the lottery, I prefer to keep placing sports bets because at least I have a chance of winning, even if the chances are slim.
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February 18, 2024, 04:27:02 PM |
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Wow, $97000 back in 1987 was a huge amount. It's a life changing amount for many people. One thing I didn't understand is that, doesn't the total cost of all the combinations of tickets add up to more than the winning amount in the lottery ? Why would anyone pay for a lottery out of their pockets if the total amount collected through selling these tickets is not more than the winning amount in lottery.
it's possible that he didn't buy all the possible combinations because he didn't have enough funds or there are missing information about that specific win, but as far as I know, he also won in 1992 where they printed about 7.1million tickets(which was every possible combination on that specific lottery) and he ended up winning the jackpot which was $27Million. here's the article where I read his 1992 win https://www.businessinsider.com/how-one-guy-won-the-lottery-14-times-2016-1After reading the article you mentioned it looks like he actually purchased all the possible combinations he thought would win him the jackpot. That's impressive and it takes real guts to think of such a strategy and implement it in real life. He was bankrupt in the end though. The rules were changed because of what he had done which looks like not really cheating but just bulk-buying tickets with every possible combination.
I guess he used his money to pay the lawyers for years fighting the case. I think if you win the lottery for once in your life, you shouldn't try your luck again because if you win again, the CIA and FBI will investigate you for winning again.
That's really unfair because if there's a flaw in the system and someone is taking advantage of it then it's the business that should own it up. Changing the rules was a good decision but filing a lawsuit against the lottery winner isn't the right thing to do. The government is suspicious of the number-picking combination strategy, they wouldn't have found out the flaw if it weren't for him. Yep, it's sad to see his 14 wins all fall in vain. It's got to be one sad story, in the interview he said everyone could have figured out the number-picking flaw just by looking at the ticket price. He is a genius for figuring that out. Not everyone could actually see it. It's obvious though that he took advantage of the flawed system, maybe the court system also took advantage of its flaw to take money from him. Talking about fairness right?
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