Boycott of Chinese products and economic relations - when ?

[franky1]

Yesterday I listened to the speech of the representative of China.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_om03YUnbNQ

The countries of the Arab world, after such statements, are obliged to begin a boycott of Chinese products, Chinese politicians and China in general, as they did in relation to products from Israel. The only option for influence is economic global measures as a response to the decades-long terror of the Muslim population of China.

I am sure that if calls for a boycott of Israeli products are not a product of propaganda, but a real concern for their fellow believers, a boycott of China will take place, and what is important - a strong economic impact!

Actually a few questions:
1. In your opinion, when can we expect an economic boycott of China by the Arab world?
2. Why has this topic been ignored for many decades?
3. What could be the result of the boycott and what impact could it have on the Chinese economy if the Muslim world takes the path of economic pressure on China?
4. Could this lead to disruption of Arab-Chinese relations in the global economy?

not sure why you are referencing the video, to then get triggered..
the video is saying what america, europe say:
"if you come to US/EU(or china) learn the language, learn the laws and culture and learn a skill to work"
"if you come with a radical mindset trying to change/affect others to cause harm or make them mentally ill too, expect consequences"
basically if your a radical, expect radical consequence

[shield132]

Chinese products could become cheaper and other nations will buy and sell them in rebranded forms at higher prices to the Arabs. This actually depends on whether a boycott is justified otherwise China wouldn't be affected that much.

Of course, Chinese manufacturers, in case of a total boycott of the Islamic world, will be forced to reduce prices and rebrand or conceal the origin of their goods. And, of course, this will be profited by the layers that will pass off forbidden goods as authorized ones.
But that's not the point here. The main question was why, with regard to Israel, some hyperactive loudmouths call for a boycott and anathema, while against China they cowardly keep silent, although the scale of the tragedy of the Muslim population in China far exceeds the scale and duration of Israel's retaliatory, and very harsh, operation in response to a massive terrorist attack.
Duplicity and cowardice, and a complete lack of real concern for their brothers in faith - this is the reason.... While very easily could have hit the Chinese economy hard !

I don't believe in boycotts. When the government announces a boycott, a dark marketplace is always created that increases the prices of the boycotted product. To be fair, I don't understand how someone can boycott Chinese products when China produces almost everything for the world. Smartphones are a basic example, is there any country where good smartphones, like Apple's iPhone, Samsung, Sony, Xiaomi and etc, all are made in China. They can't say no to these smartphones because they don't have a good alternative.
I don't say that price will be the problem, Arab world is super rich and can pay millions of dollars for nothing but simply, the alternative doesn't exist that changes products that are made in China. They can probably buy TVs that are made in Taiwan and that's all.

[Hispo]

I will be honest. I was not completely aware of the abuse the Muslim people were suffering by the government of China, I knew they were specially brutal against the monks from Tibet and those who claimed for the emancipation of the territory, but this is news to me.
Anyways, I am a person who believes in boycott as a tool to peacefully protest the injustice of big players like China, and applying a boycott in these times when their economy is losing steam could indeed send a powerful statement in the name of the Muslim people around the world.

However, one should not underestimate the important of China in the manufacturing market, many things we use and purchase in our cotidianity are made there and before applying a boycott that is supposed to be kept in mind by the leaders of the Arab World. It would be more organic, if there was people of those countries who decided to boycott by their own those products, by the way, with our direct political intervention of the state, if Chinese products start to sell way less in the Arab World and the government of those countries did not issue a political reason for the people to protest in that way, then the Arabic World Leaders could easily tell it is a matter of offer and demand (the free market) and hence the importations from China will be cut.

There is a way to have your cake and eat it too, to keep good enough relations with China and still boycott, but commitment from people of those countries is needed if they want to support their foreign brothers and sisters of faith.

Just my opinion. 🙃

[pinggoki]

I don't think it is even possible to avoid anything that originates from China for any country in the world because they are the manufacturers of everything and they prepared the infrastructure for decades to be that level. China is not having McDonald's or Star Bucks that everyone can afford to boycott and continue running their daily life with no effect but its not the same with Chinese products.

Totally agree, the best thing isn't to boycott them by not buying because as you've said, their products are too numerous to be avoided, the best thing actually and proven to be effective is that to limit or boycott through not selling to them machineries that's needed to build the products, maybe even the pivotal piece in a machinery or even the technology altogether, China is trying get the technology to create the transistors that US and Taiwan have and they're so bent on trying to get that that Taiwan is allegedly having a plan to destroy the main chip factory in case of an invasion by China.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

We all understand perfectly well that calls for "defense of Muslims", "boycott Israel" are just a cheap propaganda ploy. And these propagandists don't really care about real suffering Muslims - like what is really happening to millions of Muslims, for many decades in China. <snip>

I'm more or less apolitical and don't really keep up on world affairs (I don't even pay attention to local affairs, so that should tell you something about my apathy), so I'm ignorant about what you're referring to regarding Muslims and China.  I am curious, though.  Not trying to come off as lazy, but I don't trust search engines to give relevant results anymore--do you happen to have any links that might educate me?

But this is about a boycott on China, right?  That I do have an opinion on; Muslims in certain countries might be able to do that easily enough--and personally I'd love to do a one-man China boycott myself--but when I look at 80-90% of products available on Amazon, what I see are cheap Chinese imitations of better-made stuff, which you can usually identify pretty easily by their bizarre brand names like KAIWEETS, BOENFU, SPEEDWOX, COOFANDY, etc.  Chinese knockoffs have started dominating every single category of items on Amazon that shopping there has just turned into a frustrating, hit-or-miss experience.  And that's just one website; shit from China is ubiquitous, so it's really, really hard to carry out a boycott on a country whose primary export seems to be low-cost lookalike goods sold in every imaginable place.

[glendall]

The boycott session was only for a moment, even though it happened,  in my opinion, because if people are comfortable with the products they use, they will definitely come back. For example, yesterday we called for a boycott of products that support Israel, in fact now people have returned to using these products.

[Synchronice]

OP, this topic has been ignored for many decades because of lack of knowledge. It's too hard to boycott China these days because we rarely have alternatives of products that are massively produced by China. Boycott will only work if western companies move factories in other countries and things won't be totally centralized in China.

But this is about a boycott on China, right?  That I do have an opinion on; Muslims in certain countries might be able to do that easily enough--and personally I'd love to do a one-man China boycott myself--but when I look at 80-90% of products available on Amazon, what I see are cheap Chinese imitations of better-made stuff, which you can usually identify pretty easily by their bizarre brand names like KAIWEETS, BOENFU, SPEEDWOX, COOFANDY, etc.  Chinese knockoffs have started dominating every single category of items on Amazon that shopping there has just turned into a frustrating, hit-or-miss experience.  And that's just one website; shit from China is ubiquitous, so it's really, really hard to carry out a boycott on a country whose primary export seems to be low-cost lookalike goods sold in every imaginable place.

Amazon is so full of Chinese products because too many people do dropshipping and too many chinese products are extremely cheap. They buy things from aliexpress in bulk quantity, then ship them in Amazon warehouse or in their own warehouse and then the product that wrths $1, is sold at $15 on Amazon.com. You can't imagine how much money you might pay for something that actually worth some bucks. If you found something beautiful on amazon, you better look for it on aliexpress and buy yourself from China.

[kentrolla]

That's not gonna happen and what Chinese government is doing to Uygur Muslims is worst than the plight of Palestinians and the Palestinian's issue is raised due to the significance of holy mosques of Al Aqsa and the Islamic past associated with this holy land wherein muslim leaders don't have balls to stand up to china and they cannot survive without Chinese products hence no way they can boycott Chinese products.

[jrrsparkles]

I don't think it is even possible to avoid anything that originates from China for any country in the world because they are the manufacturers of everything and they prepared the infrastructure for decades to be that level. China is not having McDonald's or Star Bucks that everyone can afford to boycott and continue running their daily life with no effect but its not the same with Chinese products.

Totally agree, the best thing isn't to boycott them by not buying because as you've said, their products are too numerous to be avoided, the best thing actually and proven to be effective is that to limit or boycott through not selling to them machineries that's needed to build the products, maybe even the pivotal piece in a machinery or even the technology altogether, China is trying get the technology to create the transistors that US and Taiwan have and they're so bent on trying to get that that Taiwan is allegedly having a plan to destroy the main chip factory in case of an invasion by China.

China is too big to get affected and they make every move tactically not just due to a burst out of anger and I don't know what kind of machineries are needed for them but as far as I know they are capable of building anything and do that is short time as well so if any country avoid trades with China may face the results over time.

[DrBeer]

To all those who have expressed their opinions - thank you very much !
But as I suspected, the so-called "boycott of Israeli products" is not really related to the reaction of the Muslim world, but has a targeted idea, only against one state. Those calling for a boycott of Israeli products don't really care about their brothers in faith, they just need an excuse to launch another hysteria. This is a call against Israel, not for the rights of Muslims and their treatment in different countries.... Pretty much as I suspected.

[jaberwock]

Amazon is so full of Chinese products because too many people do dropshipping and too many chinese products are extremely cheap. They buy things from aliexpress in bulk quantity, then ship them in Amazon warehouse or in their own warehouse and then the product that wrths $1, is sold at $15 on Amazon.com. You can't imagine how much money you might pay for something that actually worth some bucks. If you found something beautiful on amazon, you better look for it on aliexpress and buy yourself from China.

Maybe not completely, as you can see there are still people like the OP who are concerned of it and might have done boycotting China for real. It's just their numbers were maybe low and that makes you think the topic is ignored for a very long time now. Apart from lacking of knowledge another reason on why some ignores it is because they find it uninteresting or nonsense because they are still benefiting continuously on Chinese products.

Amazon must be a U.S based store, so I'm kinda surprised if most of its items are Chinese products but how much more those stores like Alibaba and the likes where origin is from Asia? Resellers can increase their price because there are still shipping and other fees but some listings can still be cheaper than the other. We only need to keep on looking.

[DrBeer]

Amazon is so full of Chinese products because too many people do dropshipping and too many chinese products are extremely cheap. They buy things from aliexpress in bulk quantity, then ship them in Amazon warehouse or in their own warehouse and then the product that wrths $1, is sold at $15 on Amazon.com. You can't imagine how much money you might pay for something that actually worth some bucks. If you found something beautiful on amazon, you better look for it on aliexpress and buy yourself from China.

That's it ! And in fact, everyone, everyone “worried about suffering Muslims,” doesn’t care about the fact that China persecutes Muslims, violates their rights... “Money doesn’t smell”, and how sad it is - but behind all these “boycotts” there are very specific people who resolve their financial or political issues. And those for whom they supposedly “care” are simply a tool for achieving selfish goals...

[batang_bitcoin]

It's hard to imagine that there will be boycotting of products from China, too many companies, tech and not are relying on their cheap labor and manufacturing there and not just that, their actual products are cheaper than the rest. It's going to take time until a strong nation will declare that they're wholly boycotting everything from China. Right now, they're showing that they're showing through bullying the others and as well as providing debt trap to smaller and developing countries and with their scattered devices and products that can locate people on each country, it's just so hard to stop them with that.

[Darker45]

I don't think this will happen soon. And I don't think it is easy to avoid trades or products from China. As a joke would have it, god created the world and everything else is made in China.

I am a citizen of a country that is also at the receiving end of the red country's bullying. There are certain calls for boycotting of products imported from China, but as much as I wanted to participate in it, it simply isn't possible. You only have to look around in your house to realize that everything came from that country. Even inside your fridge, fruits and fish and other food are from China.

The top trading partner of Saudi Arabia is China. US only comes second and it only supplies half of what China is providing to the top Arab country. Further, the entire 21 MENA (Middle East and North Africa) countries have China as their top trading partner.

[DrBeer]

I don't think this will happen soon. And I don't think it is easy to avoid trades or products from China. As a joke would have it, god created the world and everything else is made in China.

I am a citizen of a country that is also at the receiving end of the red country's bullying. There are certain calls for boycotting of products imported from China, but as much as I wanted to participate in it, it simply isn't possible. You only have to look around in your house to realize that everything came from that country. Even inside your fridge, fruits and fish and other food are from China.

The top trading partner of Saudi Arabia is China. US only comes second and it only supplies half of what China is providing to the top Arab country. Further, the entire 21 MENA (Middle East and North Africa) countries have China as their top trading partner.

There is another problem here. In fact, the world has driven itself into a trap by engaging in self-hypnosis that if you really want to, you can build strong relationships with dubious regimes.
Over the past few years, we have seen the “results” of these “games” very well. For example, the monopolization of the EU energy sector (oil and gas) almost killed the industry of Germany and other countries. Why? Because they allowed themselves to be completely dependent on the regime, to whose antics they turned a blind eye since 2000.
It’s the same with China - in China they built a “world factory for the production of everything”, stopped supporting local economies and... now there is dependence on Chinese consumer goods! And the longer the resolution of this issue is postponed, the harder it will be for countries dependent on the “Chinese factory.” And China will do everything - from bribing authorities to terror, just so that the flow of its exports will dry up. Without exports, China simply degrades in a short period of time...

[Hispo]

I don't think this will happen soon. And I don't think it is easy to avoid trades or products from China. As a joke would have it, god created the world and everything else is made in China.

I am a citizen of a country that is also at the receiving end of the red country's bullying. There are certain calls for boycotting of products imported from China, but as much as I wanted to participate in it, it simply isn't possible. You only have to look around in your house to realize that everything came from that country. Even inside your fridge, fruits and fish and other food are from China.

The top trading partner of Saudi Arabia is China. US only comes second and it only supplies half of what China is providing to the top Arab country. Further, the entire 21 MENA (Middle East and North Africa) countries have China as their top trading partner.

It is difficult, but it is not impossible.
The main reason why companies from all around the world like to do business in China is because the hugs capability China has to manufacture all they need and at very cheap prices, so companies can increase the profit margins, it would take a new competing market for companies to fin a new place to move their facilities to. Not long ago I read about India as one of those countries which a good chance to start competing in China in that matter, but I am not sure how much it could be an actual possibility, since both countries are active members of the BRICS and those inner disagreements and competitions could come in detriment of the relations those countries have with each other.

The approach Donald Trump took was to try to brings those companies and facilities back to the United States, but there is always the disadvantage of the prices for the final consumer in that kind of choice.
In short, it is possible but it would take a geo economical reorganization for several years.

[nngella]

Yesterday I listened to the speech of the representative of China.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_om03YUnbNQ

Actually a few questions:
1. In your opinion, when can we expect an economic boycott of China by the Arab world?
2. Why has this topic been ignored for many decades?
3. What could be the result of the boycott and what impact could it have on the Chinese economy if the Muslim world takes the path of economic pressure on China?
4. Could this lead to disruption of Arab-Chinese relations in the global economy?

1 and 2 : Not soon, why? , because most product nowadays are made of China.  They can produce cheaper products because of their cheaper labor and materials (though you cannot say about if the quality is the same with other manufacturers)
3. If ever there is really a boycott of Chinese products, then the demand of their goods will decrease and their economy will be affected.  However, as I said in #1 and #2, this is really not feasible as of the moment because many countries rely on the product of china, raw materials and labor-wise.
4.  Yes (given that it happens).  We will witness a trade war just like what US and China is doing right now.  I think the major impact that the arab nations to China is if they decided to prevent China from importing oil and gas from them.  Since Arab nations are the major exporter and source of oil and gas, then China will truly suffer if they will not be able to import any.

[FinneysTrueVision]

That's not gonna happen and what Chinese government is doing to Uygur Muslims is worst than the plight of Palestinians

This is an incredibly mentally unhinged thing to say. Israel is mercilessly slaughtering civilians, an overwhelming majority being women and children. How many bombs and chemical weapons has China dropped on Uyghurs?

The reason Muslim countries don’t boycott China is because the Uyghur genocide is a debunked hoax propagated cynically by the same war mongers in Washington D.C. who lied about WMDs in Iraq, which led to an invasion that resulted in over a million Muslim deaths. It’s completely perverse for the US government to be feigning concern for Uyghurs in China when they are actively assisting Israel ethnically cleanse Palestine.

[DeathAngel]

It’s unlikely that there will ever be a boycott of Chinese products & economic relations. China is such a huge manufacturer. It’s cheap to get them to make products & ship them all over the world so I don’t think it’s likely any time soon that there is a boycott of Chinese products & economic relations.

[Darker45]

~snip~

There is another problem here. In fact, the world has driven itself into a trap by engaging in self-hypnosis that if you really want to, you can build strong relationships with dubious regimes.
Over the past few years, we have seen the “results” of these “games” very well. For example, the monopolization of the EU energy sector (oil and gas) almost killed the industry of Germany and other countries. Why? Because they allowed themselves to be completely dependent on the regime, to whose antics they turned a blind eye since 2000.
It’s the same with China - in China they built a “world factory for the production of everything”, stopped supporting local economies and... now there is dependence on Chinese consumer goods! And the longer the resolution of this issue is postponed, the harder it will be for countries dependent on the “Chinese factory.” And China will do everything - from bribing authorities to terror, just so that the flow of its exports will dry up. Without exports, China simply degrades in a short period of time...

I'm afraid that at this point the dragon has already awakened. When I was young, that country has always been called the sleeping dragon. But the China of today isn't anymore solely dependent on cheap labor. Gone are the days when they could offer nothing but slaves. But they're not anymore just assembling products of companies from other countries now; they're selling their own products.

Today, the country is powerful and influential that other countries can't simply say no even if it's clear as day that China can't be trusted. I have always wondered why deals, huge deals, were made when they must have known that they're dealing with the devil.

~snip~

The approach Donald Trump took was to try to brings those companies and facilities back to the United States, but there is always the disadvantage of the prices for the final consumer in that kind of choice.
In short, it is possible but it would take a geo economical reorganization for several years.

I used to trust Barack Obama a lot in his efforts to bring US companies back to the country. But it seems it had very limited success. So, yeah, it is indeed very hard.

A geo-economic reorganization as huge as this might take no less than a war for it to happen. The influence of China is so powerful now.