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February 24, 2024, 04:35:16 PM
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Hi Guys,
New to bitcoin, I have bought a Ledger nano cold wallet, purchased some bitcoin to put on it, purchased through coinbase. Can you tell me how I can use my bitcoin in a shop that accepts bitcoin, I do not have a smart phone nor do I want one, (don't like being tracked) so how can I use my bitcoin. I understand how to buy on line but what about in shops etc. or is that not possible without a smartphone. Is there some sort of bitcoin credit card?
thanks in advance
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February 24, 2024, 04:41:54 PM
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If the bitcoin you bought from Coinbase is sent to the ledger cold wallet, I don’t think there is any means for you to connect a crypto debit card to it.
 
Some of the debit card-powered companies are all centralised, and you are careful with your privacy. I don’t think you will like to make use of any platform that will require your personal data.

But if you must, you can check out the list of debit card providers; maybe one of them could fit what you need.

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February 24, 2024, 04:50:47 PM
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When buying from any online store sample Bitrefil when you are at the checkout it will generate a unique QR code or BTC address including the price or amount that you should send copy that and paste to the wallet you currently use.

Since you are using Ledger make an Electrum watch-only wallet with your ledger and there you should be able to paste the BTC address and sign it with your Ledger hardware wallet.

Or for desktop live or mobile you can follow this guide https://support.ledger.com/hc/en-us/articles/4404382228753-Send-crypto-assets?docs=true

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February 24, 2024, 04:53:06 PM
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There are some cards that use Bitcoin balance, but they are completely centralized and no different from regular payment cards. If you are afraid of phones, you should be afraid of payment cards too.

You can carry a laptop with you and use its camera or a connected camera to scan a QR code and make a payment with any software wallet. It's a but clunky but you can get used to it and it would be quite fast.

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February 24, 2024, 05:04:21 PM
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If you can be able to get smart phone or laptop, it will really help you to enjoy the benefits of those BTC you bought from the market because this is a digital currency that has to do with online either you want to check your balance in your wallet, you need phone or laptop to access your BTC in your wallet any time or any day.

Hope the wallet you created is a solid wallet because, some newbies can make some mistakes to create wallet that will will not last long before they will begin to see some strange things from the wallet.

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February 24, 2024, 05:07:54 PM
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You can carry a laptop with you and use its camera or a connected camera to scan a QR code and make a payment with any software wallet. It's a but clunky but you can get used to it and it would be quite fast.
Since the op is determined to make transaction with bitcoin but  don’t want to make use of smart phone, he/she can be able to bear the burden of carrying his laptop to the place he want to make his purchase, with time he will get use to it.

Another option could be to place an order from the shop he want to buy from they send the QR code to the wallet and amount of goods which he want to purchase and he can stay and make his payment from home using his cold wallet and laptop to authorize the transaction then later work up to the shop for the goods pick up.

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February 24, 2024, 05:12:54 PM
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Can you tell me how I can use my bitcoin in a shop that accepts bitcoin

Any shop, no matter it's online or physical, will accept bitcoin in the same way, since bitcoin is always online.

So if you don't want to use your phone, you can use a laptop for example, simply in the way you would do from home.
Just you'll need internet. And connecting to others' WiFi can be risky. So you may still need a phone for enabling mobile hotspot for your laptop...
Or, since your Ledger keeps your funds safe anyway, keep a partition/OS only for this kind of tasks, use your laptop with WiFi and reinstall it often.

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February 24, 2024, 05:19:38 PM
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Since you said that you have purchased Bitcoin using Coinbase so why not to directly transfer Bitcoin from Coinbase wallet to any online shop without any worries but since you're talking about online shops that accept Bitcoin payments then surely you'll have to use your smartphone to transfer Bitcoin from your Coinbase wallet to the wallet of the shop from whom you're purchasing the goods.

You can use your laptop for that purpose too but I guess smartphone is going to be much convenient. Don't worry as long as you're purchasing legal goods then no one is going to be tracking you, but if you're thinking about purchasing arms or something which isn't legal then I guess no one will give you an answer on this forum.

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February 24, 2024, 05:36:37 PM
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New to bitcoin, I have bought a Ledger nano cold wallet, purchased some bitcoin to put on it, purchased through coinbase. Can you tell me how I can use my bitcoin in a shop that accepts bitcoin, I do not have a smart phone nor do I want one, (don't like being tracked) so how can I use my bitcoin. I understand how to buy on line but what about in shops etc. or is that not possible without a smartphone.
You cannot use your bitcoins directly to make transactions from your Ledger nano cold wallet without connection to the internet if this is what you want to know, you need a smartphone or a laptop for this purpose. If you do not want it, you can work around with your laptop, which can be inconvenient and dangerous.


 Is there some sort of bitcoin credit card?
I do not think so, it will n0ot even be safe, it will make it easier for your bitcoins to be stolen if it ever existed.

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February 24, 2024, 07:39:33 PM
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New to bitcoin, I have bought a Ledger nano cold wallet, purchased some bitcoin to put on it, purchased through coinbase. Can you tell me how I can use my bitcoin in a shop that accepts bitcoin, I do not have a smart phone nor do I want one, (don't like being tracked) so how can I use my bitcoin. I understand how to buy on line but what about in shops etc. or is that not possible without a smartphone. Is there some sort of bitcoin credit card?
thanks in advance
First you actually need to have shop that accept bitcoin, than you can purchase something online with bitcoin and collect the item in shop or ask for home delivery.
Another way is to bring laptop or small netbook with you and connect it with ledger wallet, but I am not sure this is practical, and you need to have internet connection for this.
Last option is to use some crypto cards that can be used to indirectly purchase something with bitcoin.

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February 24, 2024, 10:45:04 PM
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Crypto debit card are heavily tracked, sadly.

What about a middle ground approach? I know a lot of folks concern about their privacy tweak their smartphones to make it privacy friendly, perhaps you could look into that on privacy forums.

You could try to look for brick 'n mortars near you on:

1. https://coinmap.org/
2. https://cryptwerk.com/

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February 24, 2024, 11:51:49 PM
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(don't like being tracked)
That's impossible.
Bitcoin transactions are being tracked since it was publicly recorded on the blockchain.

It's worse if you want to use a crypto debit card, upon creating an account it asks for too much information about yourself which breaks your privacy.

From the exchange you've used, why not directly use it to send your payment?
Or here's my idea.
Find a Bitcoin ATM near your area and then buy Bitcoin using your online merchant address and present them with the receipt that you have as your proof of payment.

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February 25, 2024, 03:09:07 AM
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Don't make life complicated, friend. If your goal in buying Bitcoin is only to use it as a means of payment for every item you buy, then you have to consider the transaction fees and also the price of Bitcoin which is much lower when you buy. In my opinion, your fear is too much and can be a hassle for you. When you want to make a transaction, you have to carry a laptop wherever you go as a medium for scanning QR codes when making payments. If your goal in buying Bitcoin is to pay for every item you buy, then why bother storing it in a Ledger nano cold wallet, wouldn't that be even more complicated especially if you don't want a smart phone.

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February 25, 2024, 03:31:18 AM
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Find shops and where you can spend your bitcoins.
https://bitcoin.org/en/spend-bitcoin

It's hard if you hang out and want to spend your bitcoin without your smart phone or your laptop because you don't have access to your wallet and can not sign your Bitcoin transaction as a purchase payment.

Don't have a smart phone nowadays is strange.

Bitcoin transactions are being tracked since it was publicly recorded on the blockchain.
Yes. Bitcoin blockchain has its public ledger and everyone can check the ledger, transaction history, address. It's not a private blockchain.

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February 25, 2024, 04:06:16 AM
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Hi Guys,
New to bitcoin, I have bought a Ledger nano cold wallet, purchased some bitcoin to put on it, purchased through coinbase. Can you tell me how I can use my bitcoin in a shop that accepts bitcoin, I do not have a smart phone nor do I want one, (don't like being tracked) so how can I use my bitcoin. I understand how to buy on line but what about in shops etc. or is that not possible without a smartphone. Is there some sort of bitcoin credit card?
thanks in advance
Alan
if you don't want to use phone how will you be able to use payments using bitcoin? most stores have qrcode to be scan, so not having a smartphone will stop you for using bitcoin on store who accept bitcoin, i suggest use money instead if you really want to be tracked.
or just use another bitcoin wallet that never use to send to your main wallet, there are other workaround you know if you really wan't to.

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Hi Guys,
New to bitcoin, I have bought a Ledger nano cold wallet, purchased some bitcoin to put on it, purchased through coinbase. Can you tell me how I can use my bitcoin in a shop that accepts bitcoin, I do not have a smart phone nor do I want one, (don't like being tracked) so how can I use my bitcoin. I understand how to buy on line but what about in shops etc. or is that not possible without a smartphone. Is there some sort of bitcoin credit card?
thanks in advance
Alan
if you don't want to use phone how will you be able to use payments using bitcoin? most stores have qrcode to be scan, so not having a smartphone will stop you for using bitcoin on store who accept bitcoin, i suggest use money instead if you really want to be tracked.
or just use another bitcoin wallet that never use to send to your main wallet, there are other workaround you know if you really wan't to.
He can still use the camera on the laptop and must get used to carrying a laptop when he wants to pay with Bitcoin, i hope he should get used to carrying a Laptop if he doesn't have cash to pay. Smartphones have become a necessity to make online transactions easier, one should carry cash as another alternative if one is afraid of using a smartphone. His worries are too excessive, if the reason is fear of being tracked due to using a smartphone, then many other people can be tracked after making Bitcoin transactions, in fact his worries can still be overcome as long as he is able to maintain privacy well.

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Is there some sort of bitcoin credit card?
They defeat the purpose, don't you think?
If you want to hand over the full control of your money to a third party that can do with it whatever they want while taking a commission from you, then why bother using Bitcoin in first place? Stick to using fiat and existing fiat credit cards!

(don't like being tracked)
Is there some sort of bitcoin credit card?
Do you also see the contradiction here?

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He can still use the camera on the laptop and must get used to carrying a laptop when he wants to pay with Bitcoin, i hope he should get used to carrying a Laptop if he doesn't have cash to pay. Smartphones have become a necessity to make online transactions easier, one should carry cash as another alternative if one is afraid of using a smartphone. His worries are too excessive, if the reason is fear of being tracked due to using a smartphone, then many other people can be tracked after making Bitcoin transactions, in fact his worries can still be overcome as long as he is able to maintain privacy well.
The wallet you plan to bring around should be considered as your hot wallet and you must afford to lose it by some reasons like losing your devices or your devices are compromised.

By this warning, you must store very little money (bitcoin) in your hot wallets.

My strategy to make my life more easily and comfortable is I always have cash, bitcoin and stable coin. With three options that are always available for my access, I can make payment without big issue.

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You mean bitcoin debit card and exchanges have it. When someone says exchanges on this space, it means crypto centralized exchanges.

Most of the shops that accepts BTC you need have to scan their qr and if you do not have a smartphone, you have to send it directly with the use of your hardware wallet by entering the address or the qr if that cold wallet allows it.



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February 25, 2024, 06:22:27 AM
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Hi Guys,
New to bitcoin, I have bought a Ledger nano cold wallet, purchased some bitcoin to put on it, purchased through coinbase. Can you tell me how I can use my bitcoin in a shop that accepts bitcoin, I do not have a smart phone nor do I want one, (don't like being tracked) so how can I use my bitcoin. I understand how to buy on line but what about in shops etc. or is that not possible without a smartphone. Is there some sort of bitcoin credit card?
thanks in advance
Alan
if you don't want to use phone how will you be able to use payments using bitcoin? most stores have qrcode to be scan, so not having a smartphone will stop you for using bitcoin on store who accept bitcoin, i suggest use money instead if you really want to be tracked.
or just use another bitcoin wallet that never use to send to your main wallet, there are other workaround you know if you really wan't to.
He can still use the camera on the laptop and must get used to carrying a laptop when he wants to pay with Bitcoin, i hope he should get used to carrying a Laptop if he doesn't have cash to pay. Smartphones have become a necessity to make online transactions easier, one should carry cash as another alternative if one is afraid of using a smartphone. His worries are too excessive, if the reason is fear of being tracked due to using a smartphone, then many other people can be tracked after making Bitcoin transactions, in fact his worries can still be overcome as long as he is able to maintain privacy well.
This too dangerous imagine bring your laptop just to pay for example worth a hundred dollars and then scanning the qrcode with the laptop in a store, although this is possible but not adviceable, what if when you came out of the store someone stole it from you, not only you lose your laptop but also data information are also there, mobile phone should be use, for this kind of transactions.

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