There is an abuse of merit

[Elissa~sH]

Icefrag merit sent by hashuna

I saw LoyceV bro post this from Merit earn from there. I gave an ID check, and from there, I saw how Merit got 50. I saw that a low-quality post was given 50 merit points. The account that gave the merit last posted on August 6, 2018, at 01:25:54 PM, then did not post again and became active on January 25, 2024, at 12:14:41 AM. The account post looks like it's a purchased account. The account has changed hands.
My question is, how do I give 50 merit in this simple post? Merit is given to those who post good quality standards, but it is seen that merit is being misused. Merits are being offered to random posts that need to be noted. They are trying to grow new accounts using multiple accounts.

[Beparanf]

My question is, how do I give 50 merit in this simple post? Merit is given to those who post good quality standards, but it is seen that merit is being misused. Merits are being offered to random posts that need to be noted. They are trying to grow new accounts using multiple accounts.

This is indeed merit abuse but this doesn’t mean that the account who received it will benefit on it in the future. There’s no way that account can join on signature campaign or can be trusted on loans once he/she apply. Merit is not regulated so there’s nothing much to do here rather than tag him as reference for this questionable merit transfer.

Don’t worry about this accounts because they can easily be spotted and can’t be used for financial gain here in the forum. Nice spotting this irregularity merit transfer.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

I saw LoyceV bro post this from Merit earn from there.

LoyceV bro?

 

It is not clear what you are saying in that sentence but it seems clear to me that these are too many merits for such a simple post. If it had been one, it would be acceptable, but even theymos is not very keen on punishing these cases. Without more details for me it doesn't even deserve a neutral tag, which would be the maximum to consider. I don't really care about altcoins but probably the one who gives it the 50 merits is someone related to the project or could even be an alt account. I'm sure other folks will look into it.

[Elissa~sH]

I saw LoyceV bro post this from Merit earn from there.

It is not clear what you are saying in that sentence

I am recharging and learning everything as new. Looking at LoyceV list of Earn Merit posts, I saw this. I don't see any reason why he gave so many merits from a random inactive account. That's why I made this post.

[hugeblack]

I do not think that @Icefrag is a merit source (can’t generate more merits.)
A project cannot be trusted because of merits, as it is a measure of the quality of posts and not trust. Since that account is promoting a POW coin, more merits will not help them. If you can prove that both accounts are linked or part of a farm of accounts, the best you will get is neutral trust.


I appreciate your trying to help, but you need to prove that merits are being misused or a merit source who is misusing them.
Overall I will give you +2 merits for your effort.

[Helena Yu]

I didn't find his personal wallet, he was a campaign manager and distributed the campaign rewards, but there's a chance if it's a custodial wallet or a multi-sig wallet. I also didn't find his personal social medias, can't really say too much about this case.

Since I don't see anything that lead to scam, I'd leave it until I see something suspicious.

This is indeed merit abuse but this doesn’t mean that the account who received it will benefit on it in the future. There’s no way that account can join on signature campaign or can be trusted on loans once he/she apply.

The @OP meant the sender i.e. Icefrag, he's eligible to participate a signature campaign since he's a Hero rank user.

[LoyceV]

I saw LoyceV bro post this from Merit earn from there.

LoyceV bro?
 
It is not clear what you are saying in that sentence

He's referring to The future of Bitcointalk: Low Ranking Top Merit earners in the past 30 days:

Update:
    1. Newbie hashuna (Trust: +0 / =0 / -0) earned 50 Merit in 30 days (BPIP)

This is Merit abuse, but it's also allowed. An old shitposter woke up to send his airdropped sMerit to a new shitposter with a shitcoin ANN. This topic already gives him more attention than his shitcoin is worth.

[FatFork]

My question is, how do I give 50 merit in this simple post? Merit is given to those who post good quality standards, but it is seen that merit is being misused. Merits are being offered to random posts that need to be noted. They are trying to grow new accounts using multiple accounts.

You're right. It's a misuse of merits and both accounts are probably connected, but it's hard to prove.

Icefrag has been inactive for over five years, and all of his merits have been airdropped, so it's possible that he's part of a larger account farm. hashuna, on the other hand, is a newbie and all his posts are related to "Pyrin" announcement.

[leonair]

My question is, how do I give 50 merit in this simple post? Merit is given to those who post good quality standards, but it is seen that merit is being misused. Merits are being offered to random posts that need to be noted. They are trying to grow new accounts using multiple accounts.

Nice catch Op

I think it might be that both accounts belong to one owner.  And the Hero Member account from which such a large merit transaction is done is probably the hack or sold account. And his purpose is to increase the rank of a new account by transferring all Smerit


This account password reset via email 4/17/2023, the hack or buying activity appears to have taken place at that time. and this merit transaction is the first transaction from this account. and 50 merit in the first transaction ha ha

[m2017]

Icefrag merit sent by hashuna

I saw LoyceV bro post this from Merit earn from there. I gave an ID check, and from there, I saw how Merit got 50. I saw that a low-quality post was given 50 merit points. The account that gave the merit last posted on August 6, 2018, at 01:25:54 PM, then did not post again and became active on January 25, 2024, at 12:14:41 AM. The account post looks like it's a purchased account. The account has changed hands.
My question is, how do I give 50 merit in this simple post? Merit is given to those who post good quality standards, but it is seen that merit is being misused. Merits are being offered to random posts that need to be noted. They are trying to grow new accounts using multiple accounts.

Better call @lovesmayfamilis. Urgently. She will bring order here! Although in the comments above we already figured out what’s what.

About @LoyceV bro. He awarded merit in large quantities to others (you won’t believe it, I personally saw it when he sent it to me ), but this was due to other reasons.

Sending large amounts of merit one time (or repeatedly) is not an indicator of abuse of merit, but in this case, all signs point to the opposite. Abuse case is closed.

@Elissa~sH, you deserve merit gratitude for your vigilance.

[Die_empty]

My question is, how do I give 50 merit in this simple post? Merit is given to those who post good quality standards, but it is seen that merit is being misused. Merits are being offered to random posts that need to be noted. They are trying to grow new accounts using multiple accounts.

There is no conventional standard for meriting posts because everyone is free to give merit based on personal standards. I have seen posts with more casual words receive a large amount of merits. But I don't think that posts deserve to get such an amount of merits. It is possible that these accounts have a connection or it is also possible that the sender just wants to offload his airdropped merits. Except there is strong proof linking the two accounts, it will be assumed that they have not broken any rule. Nice catch, OP.

[SatoPrincess]

This is indeed suspicious. The account, Icefrag just woke up and made his first order of business to send his smerits to a newbie account. My theory is that the account was sold, and the new owner probably had a deal with the seller to send the merits to @hashuna.

[YOSHIE]

Icefrag merit sent by hashuna

Even though @Icefrag, has known this forum since 2013, and even though he has an Alt account called @hashuna registered in 2023, he should have seen the things said by @theymos, so as not to be seen.

While we will not be directly moderating this, I encourage people to give merit to posts that are objectively high-quality, not just posts that you agree with.

I'm sure @hashuna is @Icefrag's Alt, because he knows and understands projects working in the crypto field, just as @Icefrag understands everything about projects working in the crypto field.

He should understand the concept said by @theymos, to avoid the chaos that occurs as in this thread, @Icefrag's behavior reflects bad activities for other members, Merit is given not on the shoulders of quality but based on individual thoughts, this is actionnot a good example.

[Amphenomenon]

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leonair, already shown this, but base on the security log my plausible guess is :
The Icefrag account was hacked or bought for the purpose of selling smerits or to be resold, which now has been use to sell smerits since the password changed occur earlier last year before going to sleep and  now woke up again. I Think is the reason the Icefrag account didn't try to get into campaign or become active at least since last year.

Though also the account might be connected and is being used to make those members of this forum altcoin discussions who are still naive to think that the project is legit since Icefrag who is an hero member is still supporting the project. In the end they are trying to control naive people to invest in their scam project

[JollyGood]

All this does is shine an unnecessary light on both accounts and some of us will probably keep an eye on them from time to time just to see if they make any mistake which connects either/both accounts to more accounts. Why the desperation to send 50 merits in one go in this way when it could have been handled in a different manner which could have attracted less attention.

Now both accounts have been brought to our attention.

My question is, how do I give 50 merit in this simple post? Merit is given to those who post good quality standards, but it is seen that merit is being misused. Merits are being offered to random posts that need to be noted. They are trying to grow new accounts using multiple accounts.

You're right. It's a misuse of merits and both accounts are probably connected, but it's hard to prove.

Icefrag has been inactive for over five years, and all of his merits have been airdropped, so it's possible that he's part of a larger account farm. hashuna, on the other hand, is a newbie and all his posts are related to "Pyrin" announcement.

[Upgrade00]

Looks like a classic case of merit sales to me.
• User A has lots of farmed accounts and advertised merits for sale on telegram, discord or wherever else they do,
• When they get a buyer, they pick one of their accounts to send the merit through,
• They know this would have a negative impact on the receiver, but do not care much for that.

Good catch op. These users would eventually run out of merits to send an the system would purge them out.

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

I have come across some low-quality posts that received10 merits, while another received 20. I can't find the thread again where a member only made a three-word comment but received more than 20 merits too. So,it has been so for some members who don't know how to distribute merit, so they can just drop off their merit on any post that they think they are happy with. It may not matter to them what others think about the topic, but to them, they actually might have read something that made them smile and left them no option but to award merit. 

With some facts already tabled down, something is phishy here. It seems that Icefrag is a bought account who got in contact with Hashuna and agreed to splash all his merit on Hashuna. This is obviously a merit abuse case, and both accounts have raised suspicion for themselves. 

[yahoo62278]

Brings up the question of how trustworthy is this bounty manager if they are going to engage in merit abuse? We don't know 100% if an alt sent merits to the account or if he bought them, but it does look fishy.

[KingsDen]

Brings up the question of how trustworthy is this bounty manager if they are going to engage in merit abuse? We don't know 100% if an alt sent merits to the account or if he bought them, but it does look fishy.

It looks fishy and most times I reason the part of country some people are and how they reason there. He could also send such amount of merits to the other profile without abusing it. Maybe sending fewer number of merits multiple times untill it gets to a high number.

Apart from sells of merits which I don't know if it exists, other merit related issues should just concern only the merits sources and not smerit earners.

[yahoo62278]

Brings up the question of how trustworthy is this bounty manager if they are going to engage in merit abuse? We don't know 100% if an alt sent merits to the account or if he bought them, but it does look fishy.

It looks fishy and most times I reason the part of country some people are and how they reason there. He could also send such amount of merits to the other profile without abusing it. Maybe sending fewer number of merits multiple times untill it gets to a high number.

Apart from sells of merits which I don't know if it exists, other merit related issues should just concern only the merits sources and not smerit earners.

The guy could have just been a recipient, someone could have targeted him to draw attention to him, but why? Why choose a random manager? 1 that I have personally never even heard of.

Maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong. Hard to say at this point, but I would at the very least keep an eye on the guy for a bit of I were a bounty hunter and make sure the projects he is involved with are legit.