Question about futures

[EduardoSe]

Hey guys!
I have a question... do you think it's a good idea to invest BTC in futures now? With 3x leverage so as not to run as much liquidation risk?

Or do you think it's better to put my €100 in a wallet and wait?

Thank you for the help!

if the capital is only 100dollars, there are not many choices. because if you trade on the spot, the profit you get is also definitely small. yes, if you want a lot of results, yes in the future but yes the risk is great. other options can trade on the forex market using metatrader 4 there is also a crypto market including bitcoin.

[GeorgeJohn]

I have a question... do you think it's a good idea to invest BTC in futures now? With 3x leverage so as not to run as much liquidation risk?

Or do you think it's better to put my €100 in a wallet and wait?

One thing about investment, is that it has to do with risk and if you don't take time the risk will take you to the positive side or negative side of investment, so I understand that cryptocurrency investment have to do with timing, right if you invest in bitcoin you are not at lost, because the price of bitcoin is on constant acceleration, but we are not fully sure of skyrocket of it's movement via price...so investment have target and you can invest now probably you maybe opportune to make profit for your investment.

Woah that's a lot of risk right there but depends on the bitcoin market it keeps on increasing in price if its continues then there is a posibility that it will reach another all time high (ATH) but that's still an speculations, its up to you if you can take the risk, the thing is futures is that the higher you raise the leverage the higher the damagee will also be get, but of course if you are right then the reward is imaginable, its your call just use the funds that you are ready to lose, it may be regretful for instances but if you are a risk taker then go for it, just remember there's a lot of hype right now in bitcoin so anything that could happen to bitcoin price could be unpredictable, its not too late yes but it still has the risk because you might enter in a peak position then possibility of correction.

The thing is that the market of cryptocurrency at this point is flourishing to a point nobody knows what will be the next step of cryptocurrency, so I believe that bitcoin bitcoin has taken another dimensions, and if time is not take the price may reach seventy thousand, so therefore the price of bitcoin is unpredictable.

[lixer]

Future trading is full of nothing than risk, this does not only ends there, but we are on the chance of loosing the entire investment if liquidated, i don't think we should go for such as we cannot afford to miss the fund we have earned to use for trading, even though we are having other alternatives, taking risk on what can completely take away our fund is part of what some people have used against trading by the way they termed it the same as gambling.

This is the reason why futures trading is not recommended for inexperienced traders. One first needs to gain enough knowledge about the market, and then start trading with minimal risk assets in the spot market to gain some experience about trading and the market in general. After that, they should start learning about futures trading, once they learn everything, if they feel they are ready to venture into it, they should do it.

One should only start trading in the futures market if they understand all the risks and know that they can manage those risks and wouldn't be losing all their money in it. If they couldn't manage the risks, they are going to lose their capital in no time at all.

[tvplus006]

I think that Oshosondy gave the wrong calculation and, accordingly, may mislead you. Look at how the support of the Binance exchange explains such a question to "How to Calculate Margin Liquidation Price", as an example, x3 leverage is used there, exactly what you are interested in - https://www.binance.com/en/support/faq/how-to-calculate-margin-liquidation-price-f6b010588e55413aa58b7d63ee0125ed

I am wrong? Okay let us assume that I am wrong. If bitcoin is at $60000 and you go 3x leverage to open a long position, what price would be the liquidation price? You can not say that I am wrong if you do not give the answer. Give the answer in bitcoin price with prove and not just refer to any article.

I am sure that you did not even open the link that I indicated earlier, otherwise you would have realized that the formula of calculating the liquidation price is different from the one that you use) If the initial balance is $100, and you have opened a long position with x3 leverage, at a price of $60,000, then the liquidation price will be $44,000. To simplify the calculation, you can use a calculator - https://www.binance.com/en/margin/calculator

[Litzki1990]

Bitcoin futures trading is much safer than other coins so if you want to invest with a lot of leverage then this investment may be right for you and you can move forward. If you invest at 3x leverage right now, even if the market is dumping, you will not liquidate because the market will have to go down a lot for your liquidation, but the chances of this happening are low. Relatively more risk must be taken to make higher profits. You can definitely invest in this plan if you can take the risk of your money and you can maintain your investment by fixing a specific target.

Many investors that took such risk in the past later discovered that they made a good decision, which you can take that risk now to invest in Bitcoin and you will enjoy the Bitcoin safer in your investment that will give you more courage to invest whenever the bearish season appear in the market. The most important in your risk, is to ensure you invest your money in the most top cryptocurrencies in the market and it will give you a huge amount of income that will increase your wealth in the future. I know is not easy to take a heavy risk like this, but there is a gain to every risk you are taking in the time of bearish season to invest and you will receive a good results at the end of your investment.

If the investor is interested in futures trading in any other coin in the market then I would probably not do it because all the other coins in the market can't be trusted much especially for long term futures canning. But OP wants to invest in Bitcoin here and with relatively low risk, I think this decision is right for him and he is taking a very small amount of risk which means less chance of losing money. What little risk remains in investing must be risk because without risk there is no chance of making money. We have to take risks, but before taking risks we must see if we are taking risks in the right place and how much. Because it will never be safe to take such a risk that the money is likely to be lost at any time.

[Oshosondy]

I think that Oshosondy gave the wrong calculation and, accordingly, may mislead you. Look at how the support of the Binance exchange explains such a question to "How to Calculate Margin Liquidation Price", as an example, x3 leverage is used there, exactly what you are interested in - https://www.binance.com/en/support/faq/how-to-calculate-margin-liquidation-price-f6b010588e55413aa58b7d63ee0125ed

I am wrong? Okay let us assume that I am wrong. If bitcoin is at $60000 and you go 3x leverage to open a long position, what price would be the liquidation price? You can not say that I am wrong if you do not give the answer. Give the answer in bitcoin price with prove and not just refer to any article.

I am sure that you did not even open the link that I indicated earlier, otherwise you would have realized that the formula of calculating the liquidation price is different from the one that you use) If the initial balance is $100, and you have opened a long position with x3 leverage, at a price of $60,000, then the liquidation price will be $44,000. To simplify the calculation, you can use a calculator - https://www.binance.com/en/margin/calculator

Why will I check it when I know what I am saying. I have traded many coins and tokens and calculating the estimated liquidation price myself. That my calculation is correct.

I prefer to go practical with real trading and not just make use of any calculator. I know that calculator is existing on Binanace but I have not used it before. I changed back from multi asset mode just to single asset mode just to proof a point that this is wrong. Also you can go to my previous posts and read it again and see how I am very correct after you check the correct calculation from my image below.



You can see the price that I set which is $60000. You can see the estimated liquidation price which is $39605.2. Not $44000.

You may use exchanges calculation, but what I am saying is correct.

If bitcoin is at $60000 and you long it with 3x, the liquidation would be around $40000. If you can take the risk, you can go for it.

I will like you to read what I posted above because some exchanges also will calculate the liquidation price for you automatically while input the amount of your asset that you want to use to trade. By that my calculation can be helpful and it is simple.

[batang_bitcoin]

It is not a good idea to get into futures because you're even having the impression that you're an investor upon doing that. It's not how it goes and someone who's not yet knowledgeable on doing it will be liquidated quickly. You'll just get those notice on your phone and email that your position have been liquidated and that's why if you can't afford to lose that so quick like in a span of a few seconds and minutes, you stick to your plans of holding or with the spot market.

[shawonngp]

Hey guys!
I have a question... do you think it's a good idea to invest BTC in futures now? With 3x leverage so as not to run as much liquidation risk?

Or do you think it's better to put my €100 in a wallet and wait?

Thank you for the help!

if the capital is only 100dollars, there are not many choices. because if you trade on the spot, the profit you get is also definitely small. yes, if you want a lot of results, yes in the future but yes the risk is great. other options can trade on the forex market using metatrader 4 there is also a crypto market including bitcoin.

Yes profit is depend on your capital, 100 dollars is nothing in spot trading or future trading and even in the forex trading. Without experienced trading is not recommended by me, even i don't prefer in spot trading. Future trading isn't for everyone, it's for experienced people's who are trading for many years.

[Easteregg69]

Hey guys!
I have a question... do you think it's a good idea to invest BTC in futures now? With 3x leverage so as not to run as much liquidation risk?

Or do you think it's better to put my €100 in a wallet and wait?

Thank you for the help!

Your supposed to be happy for what you got for a start and agreeing on the past takes more than one. The future is off limit so far.

I believe you would be so much happier if you spend the 100 EURO and not have that for a distraction.

Cheers! Buy something you intend to keep forever and get that part over with while your at it.

[tvplus006]

You can see the price that I set which is $60000. You can see the estimated liquidation price which is $39605.2. Not $44000. ..

It is difficult for us to establish the truth in absentia, but according to the screenshot, you open a position not for $300, as required by the OP, but for $180. And accordingly, for this reason, the liquidation price will have a different meaning. I myself cannot demonstrate such a screenshot, since I have open positions on derivatives and the margin exceeds that of the OP.

[Oshosondy]

according to the screenshot, you open a position not for $300, as required by the OP, but for $180. And accordingly, for this reason, the liquidation price will have a different meaning.

No, it does not have any different changes because of the amount you use to open the position or not. If you open a position with $50, $100 or any amount of money, the liquidation price will still be the same as long s you open it at the same price and using the same leverage.

[el kaka22]

I would say in regards to this situation, we can't really make futures if we are not really good at it. Some people here has shown what they have done, and those people know what the yare doing and aware of the details of it as well, from liquidation to every little small thing.

However, if we are not sure about it, like OP seems to be, then it would probably mean that it would be better if we just buy bitcoin and hold, and do nothing else. Sure that may not make you rich with just hundred bucks, but that also doesn't mean that you should risk even more. I can see that it is not that easy, but it would not be all that difficult neither to just hold. Just try to put more and more money in it while you wait, and maybe even keep doing that later on as well.

[Adbitco]

It depends on you and what you want otherwise putting it in a wallet is much far more better than that, putting in wallet as investment gives you more peace of heart and you would feel relaxed provided that you have the access to the wallet and store you seed phrase carefully then nothing to worry. But in future trading there is every possibility to lose it entirely without you counting about the money and will be gone.
Therefore, in my opinion I will advise you to go buy bitcoin and some reputable coin such as ETH, BNB TRX, DOGE and save the wait after halving till 2025 then you will never regret doing that.

[Litzki1990]

It depends on you and what you want otherwise putting it in a wallet is much far more better than that, putting in wallet as investment gives you more peace of heart and you would feel relaxed provided that you have the access to the wallet and store you seed phrase carefully then nothing to worry. But in future trading there is every possibility to lose it entirely without you counting about the money and will be gone.
Therefore, in my opinion I will advise you to go buy bitcoin and some reputable coin such as ETH, BNB TRX, DOGE and save the wait after halving till 2025 then you will never regret doing that.

If you advise only futures trading then I think you can advise him futures trading in bitcoin and small amount futures trading in ethereum. All other coins are not safe at all for futures trading and if the investor thinks that he will hold his futures trading for a long time then only Bitcoin will be safe for him. Bitcoin's market fluctuates within certain rules, not pumping up and dumping suddenly like other coins. Since there is not much volatility in the Bitcoin market, investors can trade Bitcoin futures with relatively low risk and continue their business for a long time.

[AmoreJaz]

It depends on you and what you want otherwise putting it in a wallet is much far more better than that, putting in wallet as investment gives you more peace of heart and you would feel relaxed provided that you have the access to the wallet and store you seed phrase carefully then nothing to worry. But in future trading there is every possibility to lose it entirely without you counting about the money and will be gone.
Therefore, in my opinion I will advise you to go buy bitcoin and some reputable coin such as ETH, BNB TRX, DOGE and save the wait after halving till 2025 then you will never regret doing that.

If you advise only futures trading then I think you can advise him futures trading in bitcoin and small amount futures trading in ethereum. All other coins are not safe at all for futures trading and if the investor thinks that he will hold his futures trading for a long time then only Bitcoin will be safe for him. Bitcoin's market fluctuates within certain rules, not pumping up and dumping suddenly like other coins. Since there is not much volatility in the Bitcoin market, investors can trade Bitcoin futures with relatively low risk and continue their business for a long time.

If you are a newbie in this market, better not to go to futures yet. Be familiar with spot trading first and learn the ropes of crypto trading. It is quite to easy to liquidate your position if you don't know what you are getting into.

Futures are only for traders that have long been in this market already. Because if you don't know how a certain alt or coin performs in the market, which you need a lot of factors to consider about, you can easily lose your position without a doubt. And if you can't keep up with the market, better not to divulge yourself in that trading. Just go to the trading market which you are more comfortable of and more knowledgeable with.

[Hallroom]

Hey guys!
I have a question... do you think it's a good idea to invest BTC in futures now? With 3x leverage so as not to run as much liquidation risk?

Or do you think it's better to put my €100 in a wallet and wait?

Thank you for the help!

Futures trade is very risky as this is where you can face losses the most. I've had zero liquidation on futures trades many times, so it's best to keep your bitcoins in a wallet. Because you can reap the benefits risk-free. Current Bitcoin prices are on the rise so having a wallet in your wallet is the safest and most profitable.

[Oshosondy]

If you are a newbie in this market, better not to go to futures yet. Be familiar with spot trading first and learn the ropes of crypto trading. It is quite to easy to liquidate your position if you don't know what you are getting into.

What newbies use to do on exchanges first is to know how they can be able to convert from stable coins like USDT or USCC to unstable coins like bitcoin and vice versa and that is spot trading. So no matter what, newbies would have likely know spot trading. You are not wrong by saying that liquidation is common to traders, but read what I also posted below.

Futures trade is very risky as this is where you can face losses the most. I've had zero liquidation on futures trades many times, so it's best to keep your bitcoins in a wallet. Because you can reap the benefits risk-free. Current Bitcoin prices are on the rise so having a wallet in your wallet is the safest and most profitable.

Future trading is very risky, but not as risky as it seems than spot trading the trader is nit greedy. The risk that many traders face is because they are not having a good strategy for risk management and they prefer to go for leverage. Newbies are often tempted to use 10x or more leverage. I remember when I started to trade futures, I prefer to use 125x for bitcoin but which is greediness and foolishness, unlike now that I just go for 1x leverage. If a trader is using averaging and also not using more than 1x leverage, it is better.

[Smack That Ace]

The exchange that you use for the future trading can be hacked
I do not think bitcoin can go below $40000 again but anything is possible
You may think to increase the leverage which might lead to money loss, that is future trading.

If OP takes a risk to trading futures, it means he is willing to lose 100 Euros for a chance at a bigger reward if he is lucky. The exchange being hacked is not a concern here.

When the bull market started, many people came up with the idea of using low leverage to avoid liquidation in futures trading. But I think this will not be effective because the fluctuations during the bull season will not be small, for example recently, after bitcoin touched 69k USD, it then decreased in price by more than 10k USD to 59k$. That shows that even if we use low leverage, there is still a risk of liquidation if the bitcoin price continues to be more volatile during the bull season.

[Bobrox]

Actually many responds not recommended well with future is the best place for investing in bitcoin, but I think is the best ideas with holding bitcoin using future trading way and using leverage 3x. Can comparison when bitcoin success raise up around 10% we can earn more than 30% profitable by using future for holding or investing in bitcoin, but get difficult how to minimize with funding fees each exchange future have bigger funding fees every eight hours.
You can invest your bitcoin and put it in future trading around 3x leverage I don't think its too risk and much profitable earn than hold bitcoin in spot with 1x profitable maximum earn only.
Need to prepare bigger amount if you want invest bitcoin in trading future how to protect far away with liquidity and prepare around $50 for funding fees if you want hold bitcoin in future more longer time.

[adpinbr]

I got some knowledge after reading this the future is the most important thing that you need to understand and know the clarity on how you think it will look like it may not really be as you think, but that must be a step that you must take to make a better future for yourself of course proceed in investing bitcoin for the future no matter the amount you want to buy and the quantity by you we definitely see some losses when Bitcoin Falls but don’t hesitate,Don’t be afraid you will get more profit as long as you mindset  is in the future not just taking profit immediately after investing  it will be a good one and keep in the future my set