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February 29, 2024, 10:01:35 AM Last edit: February 29, 2024, 01:12:57 PM by Uhwuchukwu53 |
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It's no longer news that Africa have been condemning the practice of LGBTQ over the years but have not sanction defaulter, I was reading the news l saw one Africa country parliament passing bills to purnish any who is victim to LGBTQ. This thrilled my mind to discuss this in the board if the government is doing the right thing based on Africa way if believe and practice or taken wrong direction. You can read through this link for more information https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/2/28/ghanas-parliament-passes-anti-lgbtq-bill
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It's no longer news that Africa have been condemning the practice of LGBTQ over the years but have not sanction defaulter, I was reading the news l saw one Africa country parliament passing bills to purnish any who is victim to LGBTQ. This this thrilled my mind to discuss this in the board if the government is doing the right thing based on Africa way if believe and practice or taken wrong direction. You can read through this link for more information https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/2/28/ghanas-parliament-passes-anti-lgbtq-billGhana is now the current African country that has criminalized LGBTQ practice. Nigeria, Kenya, Uganda, and others also have anti-gay laws. Africans have adopted many cultural and religious beliefs from some civilizations. They have voluntarily or forcefully copied languages, dressings, songs, systems of government, religion, and other values from Europe and the Arabs. Many African Nations were forced to adopt these cultures when they were colonized. The majority of Africans see the gay practice as the white man's culture that is alien to their culture. Traditionally it is a taboo and anyone engaging in it is seen as an outcast. There are occasions when some of them are banished from the community or even beaten up. Based on the religion that was also introduced to Africans by the Europeans, gay practice is also seen as immoral. So Africans are confused about how people who introduced religion to them will also introduce something that is regarded as a sin to them. I doubt if the West will be able to force Africa to change their perception of gay practice because even with the threat of economic sanctions more African nations are criminalizing the practice. Government decision is based on the yearnings and aspirations of the people. These anti-gay laws were approved by the legislatures which are the representatives of the citizens which means the majority of the people support the crackdown on the gay community. For me I will want people to live freely as they like, sadly this is not the case. I will advise the gay community to move to more friendly nations or consider going through reparative therapy. These nations that are promoting gay practice should open up their borders to accept these people to shield them from persecution.
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February 29, 2024, 03:39:49 PM |
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-cut- The majority of Africans see the gay practice as the white man's culture that is alien to their culture. Traditionally it is a taboo and anyone engaging in it is seen as an outcast. There are occasions when some of them are banished from the community or even beaten up. Based on the religion that was also introduced to Africans by the Europeans, gay practice is also seen as immoral. So Africans are confused about how people who introduced religion to them will also introduce something that is regarded as a sin to them. I doubt if the West will be able to force Africa to change their perception of gay practice because even with the threat of economic sanctions more African nations are criminalizing the practice.
Government decision is based on the yearnings and aspirations of the people. These anti-gay laws were approved by the legislatures which are the representatives of the citizens which means the majority of the people support the crackdown on the gay community. For me I will want people to live freely as they like, sadly this is not the case. I will advise the gay community to move to more friendly nations or consider going through reparative therapy. These nations that are promoting gay practice should open up their borders to accept these people to shield them from persecution.
It's fundamental christianity in action. Like all fundamental belief systems are a tool of control, and excellent and efficient tool to manipulate people. Especially if citizens don't have strong public education infrastructure in place yet, that would make population more resilient to it. So turning people's heads basically needs one fundamental leader saying this is a God's will. Oppressing people often happen when nation needs to blame someone for their failures, and since admitting them isn't an option, cause and effect happens because of wicked sinners or something. This is a blatant human rights violation, and this is why we need secular governments. And good luck for Ghana trying to get any deals with secular nations or help after this. And as scientific consensus is that conversion therapy is just pseudoscientific and dangerous nonsense, so i would totally try to escape from there.
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February 29, 2024, 04:39:12 PM |
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It does not surprise me to see these kind of actions and legislations taking place in the African country, to be honest, there are many republics there which openly encourage their society to lean on homophobia and show hate against the LGBTQ community, most of it is based on the regilous which was implanted in the continent by colonizers. I am not even sure why political players in Ghana would encourage things like these to happen, does it help them to keep their position of power or something?
Anyways, this prosecution of the people who are sexually different in the African continent will just translate to more refugees seeking a place to call home in other countries of the continent which are more liberal in this matter. I would not even be surprised if an important percentage of the LGBTQ people on that country ended up moving up to the north and sought refuge in Europe, with that much prosecution they pretty much could get asylum quickly.
In my opinion, no government is supposed to prosecute people for what they are or what they feel, in the end we were all given free will for a good reason. With these coups going on in Africa and now these anti-LGBTQ legislations, it is hard to be optimistic about the future of Africa.
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February 29, 2024, 05:19:49 PM |
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I think this is a complicated situation. Yep, many African countries have anti LGBTQ laws and social attitudes. The severity and how the law is enforced varies from country to country. Because I remember hearing about "Somalia having the death penalty for samesex relations". The passage of a bill by an African country's parliament to punish LGBTQ victims is an example of the contradiction in approaches to this issue.
The government has a responsibility to protect everyone, regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity. I also believe that the international community can play an important role in promoting LGBTQ rights in Africa. But certainly, regardless of action there should be respect for different views and an open discussion. And it's important that we can create a world where everyone is treated equally.
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I feel really bad for those that are part of the LGBTQ+ community and are living in constant fear of danger in their own home country. I respect the beliefs and practices of christianity, islam, and other religions that condemn homosexuality but shouldn’t the state and the church be separated? One religion does not 100% reflect or represent the entire population and so the laws passed should be instead made generally and does not single out a community.
This is devastating for them because it probably isn’t easy to just move outside of the country and to another. Even if I might not understand the beliefs of the LGBTQ+ community, we still should respect them and allow them to be who they want to be.
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March 01, 2024, 08:24:07 AM |
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It's no longer news that Africa have been condemning the practice of LGBTQ over the years but have not sanction defaulter, I was reading the news l saw one Africa country parliament passing bills to purnish any who is victim to LGBTQ. This this thrilled my mind to discuss this in the board if the government is doing the right thing based on Africa way if believe and practice or taken wrong direction. You can read through this link for more information https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/2/28/ghanas-parliament-passes-anti-lgbtq-billGovernment decision is based on the yearnings and aspirations of the people. These anti-gay laws were approved by the legislatures which are the representatives of the citizens which means the majority of the people support the crackdown on the gay community. For me I will want people to live freely as they like, sadly this is not the case. I will advise the gay community to move to more friendly nations or consider going through reparative therapy. These nations that are promoting gay practice should open up their borders to accept these people to shield them from persecution. If the vast majority of citizens in a country doesn't support a practice, then the few minority that supports it will be seen as outcasts, so the solution for LGBTQ community that lives in a country where they are a small minority and are persecuted is to seek asylum in friendly countries that accepts their way of life. Modernization has allowed people to be what they want to be and if their country cannot guarantee this, then the best option is to leave the country. I personally don't like or encourage LGBTQ practice or lifestyle, but I must respect them and their decisions, because we're free to make our own choices in life and live with it.
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March 01, 2024, 10:17:15 AM |
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I feel really bad for those that are part of the LGBTQ+ community and are living in constant fear of danger in their own home country. I respect the beliefs and practices of christianity, islam, and other religions that condemn homosexuality but shouldn’t the state and the church be separated? One religion does not 100% reflect or represent the entire population and so the laws passed should be instead made generally and does not single out a community.
This is devastating for them because it probably isn’t easy to just move outside of the country and to another. Even if I might not understand the beliefs of the LGBTQ+ community, we still should respect them and allow them to be who they want to be.
Being part of the LGBTQ community in an hostile country must be a very traumatizing experience. I have a female friend which is bisexual/lesbian and she lives alone with her mother. The mother did not know she was Lesbian and realized about it in a bad way (by checking her chats on her computer) since then it has been a very hard experience for her to continue to have a good relationship with her mother, to the point my friend needed medication not to suffer from the serious effects of depression and anxiety. That is only the effects of the prejudges from her mother, imagine what it must be to have an entire society and the government to be after you for something so personal, no wonder why so many people of that community end up leaving their family and their country behind, looking for more accepting places in Europe or America, anyone in that context would go crazy otherwise (assuming they would not get physically assaulted or hurt first). ![Sad](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/sad.gif)
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There is virtually no legal protection for LGBTQ people the country's media also discriminates against LGBTQ people. But they are not treated as such. We believe that our vision of eradicating poverty to build a livable world will only succeed when it is inclusive of all, regardless of race gender sexuality. At the core of our work around the world is inclusion and striving to eliminate inequality. Anti-LGBTQ laws in Uganda will undermine that effort.
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I feel really bad for those that are part of the LGBTQ+ community and are living in constant fear of danger in their own home country. I respect the beliefs and practices of christianity, islam, and other religions that condemn homosexuality but shouldn’t the state and the church be separated? One religion does not 100% reflect or represent the entire population and so the laws passed should be instead made generally and does not single out a community.
This is devastating for them because it probably isn’t easy to just move outside of the country and to another. Even if I might not understand the beliefs of the LGBTQ+ community, we still should respect them and allow them to be who they want to be.
Yep. It sucks for LGBTQ+ people living in places where they're always on edge. I get that religions have their beliefs but why not keep state and church separate? Laws should be fair to everyone, not zeroing in on a specific group. Moving isn't a walk in the park and it's rough for them. Even if we don't totally get it, just letting people do their thing is the way to go. Big props for being understanding
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It's no longer news that Africa have been condemning the practice of LGBTQ over the years but have not sanction defaulter, I was reading the news l saw one Africa country parliament passing bills to purnish any who is victim to LGBTQ. This thrilled my mind to discuss this in the board if the government is doing the right thing based on Africa way if believe and practice or taken wrong direction. You can read through this link for more information https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/2/28/ghanas-parliament-passes-anti-lgbtq-billevery society has it own way of life and what is acceptable in a particular region might be a taboo in another region. The average African man is either of the Christian, Moslem or traditional believe system and most of them kicks against same sex marriage or any form of activity that goes in that guise and so it's very normal for them to kick against LGBTQ. I know everyone has is right to living the way he feels okay with and in a normal situation, as long as it doesn't disturbs the peace and wellbeing of the public , no one should have been concerned about it and I guess that's the main reason why some countries and part of the world gives the consent to such practices but for most African countries, being a gay is an abomination and in some communities you might end up being stoned to death if cought in such act.
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It's no longer news that Africa have been condemning the practice of LGBTQ over the years but have not sanction defaulter, I was reading the news l saw one Africa country parliament passing bills to purnish any who is victim to LGBTQ. This thrilled my mind to discuss this in the board if the government is doing the right thing based on Africa way if believe and practice or taken wrong direction. You can read through this link for more information https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/2/28/ghanas-parliament-passes-anti-lgbtq-billI know the reasoning behind some nation and religion to discourage homosexuality as they it might decrease the natural cycle of human reproduction. But punishing LGBTQ+ community for their physical conditions and preference is not justified in any sense. I believe everyone should be able to live their life and choose their partners the way they want. The country I live in do allow same sex marriage and homosexual relations are no longer a taboo. Not much idea about the situation in Africa or muslim nations, but the a bit of hesitation and controversy also comes with classifying all of LGBT and Q on and considering them as a group while in reality many of them are different physically and mentally and have completely different preferences, some easily acceptable to the society while carrying some controversial ones.
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Anyways, this prosecution of the people who are sexually different in the African continent will just translate to more refugees seeking a place to call home in other countries of the continent which are more liberal in this matter. I would not even be surprised if an important percentage of the LGBTQ people on that country ended up moving up to the north and sought refuge in Europe, with that much prosecution they pretty much could get asylum quickly.
This is where you nailed the whole matter in as much as everyone have the write to leave and your living hard nothing to affect your fellow and your doing your path obeying the laws of peace and order, contribution positively I don't think such purnishment is needed or even necessary. This purnishment can lead to more refugee as you stated and it will be another insecurities in most if the African nations as those who practice such have seen themselves not free thereby will like to fight back indirectly causing more harm.
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... This purnishment can lead to more refugee as you stated and it will be another insecurities in most if the African nations as those who practice such have seen themselves not free thereby will like to fight back indirectly causing more harm. Sure, more people will apply for refugee status, there is no doubt about it. However, in my opinion it is very unlikely the LGBTQ community in Africa will fight back against the government in order for them to regain their rights as citizens, in a civil and peaceful way as we have seen here in the American continent. The reason in simple, though. Unlike in Africa, people of the LGBTQ community have had an increasing acceptation in this part of the world, which has allowed to show in public demonstrations and marches to claim their rights and during those demonstrations there is little to no chance something bad will happen to them, because the democratic status of these societies. On the other hand, if people of those African countries decided to march for the rights or protests, they would be detained in the spot and accused of being homosexual (not all people participating in those demonstrations are homosexuals, by the way,) Because of it, I think those laws will stay in place for many years before something changes.
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Religion is one of the main reasons that homosexuality & other gender specific changes after not seen as acceptable in these kind of countries. Limited education can also lead to the reaction that we see too. I am no fan of this way of living but it doesn’t bother me enough to get angry or annoyed about it. Let people live the way they want to live their life as long as it doesn’t impact you directly. It takes a while for anything new & different to be accepted. Even in the US we had a problem with racism & homophobic attitudes but the more you see something the more you become used to it. It will take a while if ever, before LGBTQ is seen as acceptable in African & Islamic countries.
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It's no longer news that Africa have been condemning the practice of LGBTQ over the years but have not sanction defaulter, I was reading the news l saw one Africa country parliament passing bills to purnish any who is victim to LGBTQ. This thrilled my mind to discuss this in the board if the government is doing the right thing based on Africa way if believe and practice or taken wrong direction. You can read through this link for more information https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/2/28/ghanas-parliament-passes-anti-lgbtq-billFirstly, in the African setting, most of the laws are all coined from cultural beliefs, practices and all that. Since the gay concept clashes with their religious and cultural practices, they do not accept it. To them, any one practicing those acts are seen in a very bad light, don't have a good place in society. And if all this is the case, then it's totally normal for laws to be enacted against LGBTQ. So aware that your sexuality is not accepted in a jurisdiction, it's better not to practice with in that space. Imagine a gay foreigner from a 'gay legal' country goes into Ghana and wants to act the same way. It won't work.
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It's no longer news that Africa have been condemning the practice of LGBTQ over the years but have not sanction defaulter, I was reading the news l saw one Africa country parliament passing bills to purnish any who is victim to LGBTQ. This thrilled my mind to discuss this in the board if the government is doing the right thing based on Africa way if believe and practice or taken wrong direction. You can read through this link for more information https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/2/28/ghanas-parliament-passes-anti-lgbtq-billFirstly, in the African setting, most of the laws are all coined from cultural beliefs, practices and all that. Since the gay concept clashes with their religious and cultural practices, they do not accept it. To them, any one practicing those acts are seen in a very bad light, don't have a good place in society. Quite ironic you mention homophobia is something which is rotted within the culture of those African nations, because I have read (I could be wrong though), that before the colonization of Africa, the native cultures of the people in those countries were rather apathetic on the homosexual behavior in their societies, to they did not actually prosecute anyone based on their sexuality. It is argued all started when the people from Europe took over those African countries/societies and implanted Christianism (at least their version of it), making people of Africa to adapt to the west Europe way living. Something similar happened here in the Americas, there is a reason by the religion of Astecs and Mayans all disappeared: the conquerors converted the natives and if the natives refused to convert, then they would be executed. So, if we keep the impacts of colonialism onto the equation of what those governments do, the African continent was supposed to be a hub for tolerance for the LGBTQ people, way before the west started to lax their laws against them, but what happened is completely the opposite.
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Because African theology detests living a life that isn't in line with what their religion instructs them to live and multiply the earth with children, it is not customary or believed that LGBTQ should integrate into African culture.
Practicing LGBTQ or implementing it in each African country or body is what Africans will always kicked against by their government and its citizens. Recall the years-ago incident in which the whole Church of Africa, Anglican Communion broke away from the Church of England due to the church's acceptance of homosexual and lesbian marriage. That is to say, African religious body of Anglican Communion as a whole does not support or encourage LGBTQ in their religious beliefs.
Imagine when an African country tries to implement it into the country's constitution, which is filled with religious believers(Christians), what kind of message or outcome is the government expecting to see from its religious citizens that take LGBTQ as a sin?
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