Israel-Hamas War

[nngella]

Israel and Hamas-led Palestinian militant groups are currently at war.  News outlets are covering the said war and most of the time, Israel is being put in a spotlight (actually, even in social media, most is condemning Israel in this war).  I am just curious why?  As I research about the origin of the war, they are the one who started it?  (I am not here to support Israel here.  War is war and both sides are at fault and there is no good side in war.)

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[AVE5]

Israel and Hamas-led Palestinian militant groups are currently at war.  News outlets are covering the said war and most of the time, Israel is being put in a spotlight (actually, even in social media, most is condemning Israel in this war).  I am just curious why?  As I research about the origin of the war, they are the one who started it?  (I am not here to support Israel here.  War is war and both sides are at fault and there is no good side in war.)

I'm neither not a substance to engineer war or fuelling critical situations of potential crisis. It is obvious that the media are really keeping updates behind the public because the government system is corrupted and the media is being biopolitics.
But Op, you're a little on sided saying they started the was first and the same time you're blaming the two sides pointlessly.
Get us convinced with your updates and also have us to link of how you got the update since it's said that the media ain't letting us know anymore.

[Essential10]

The war between Gaza and Hamas has been going on for a long time, and the world is in turmoil around this war. But the good news is that in the next few days an ongoing anti-war agreement on Gaza may be visible. The upcoming ceasefire agreement could include a cessation of hostilities, lifting of the Israeli blockade of Gaza and rebuilding of infrastructure in the territory. However, there is no official confirmation of this information. The Israeli government is under pressure to agree to a cease-fire, as clashes with Hamas have caused widespread damage and destruction in Gaza, as well as an increasing number of Israelis killed and wounded by Hamas rocket attacks. The international community has also called for an immediate end to the violence. The situation remains fluid, with it unclear how the anti-war talks will ultimately play out. Still, the prospect of a ceasefire has raised hopes that the bloodshed and destruction in the region could soon end.

[nngella]

Get us convinced with your updates and also have us to link of how you got the update since it's said that the media ain't letting us know anymore.

I think you need to do your own research first before commenting.  A little google search will provide you the history of the said war.  You can refer to this one: https://www.britannica.com/event/Israel-Hamas-War-of-2023.  

As a gist, the article stated that "Israel-Hamas War, war between Israel and Palestinian militants, especially Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ), that began on October 7, 2023, when Hamas launched a land, sea, and air assault on Israel from the Gaza Strip. The October 7 attack resulted in more than 1,200 deaths, primarily Israeli citizens, making it the deadliest day for Israel since its independence."

It is clearly stating that Hamas started the war this time.  I am just a bit confused why the media is portraying that Israel is on the bad side and maybe I am missing on something.

[nngella]

The war between Gaza and Hamas has been going on for a long time, and the world is in turmoil around this war. But the good news is that in the next few days an ongoing anti-war agreement on Gaza may be visible. The upcoming ceasefire agreement could include a cessation of hostilities, lifting of the Israeli blockade of Gaza and rebuilding of infrastructure in the territory. However, there is no official confirmation of this information. The Israeli government is under pressure to agree to a cease-fire, as clashes with Hamas have caused widespread damage and destruction in Gaza, as well as an increasing number of Israelis killed and wounded by Hamas rocket attacks. The international community has also called for an immediate end to the violence. The situation remains fluid, with it unclear how the anti-war talks will ultimately play out. Still, the prospect of a ceasefire has raised hopes that the bloodshed and destruction in the region could soon end.

Oh! this is quite a good information.  As I see it, the people are condemning Israel because the are not agreeing with the ceasefire? Am I correct?  Well, Hamas started the war and killed a lot of Israel citizens and maybe Israel just want to get revenge.  However, the problem is until when they want to get revenge? (or by how much? I mean do they want to kill a specific number of people or destroy or occupy a city).  I cannot blame Israel if they cannot easily agree with the ceasefire but I also do hope that the war will come to an end.

[tsaroz]

Israel and Hamas-led Palestinian militant groups are currently at war.  News outlets are covering the said war and most of the time, Israel is being put in a spotlight (actually, even in social media, most is condemning Israel in this war).  I am just curious why?  As I research about the origin of the war, they are the one who started it?  (I am not here to support Israel here.  War is war and both sides are at fault and there is no good side in war.)

Israel has the support of US and the west and most of the media rhetoric in the world is controlled by the US and the west as they control the money and the press.
Being open societies, the US and the west have divided ideas about who is right and wrong but there's nothing much the people differing in opinion than the government can do.
I guess we have became cold enough for not being affected in anyway for people dying. It was the case for Africa, millions in Africa died and are dying due to famine and war and we are used to turning a blind eye there. We do the same for middle east and specially Palestinians. Israeli life lost are counted but not Palestinians.

[Zanab247]

What Israel did to Hamas people will make others countries not to support them for this war because, they know that war don't always bring good thing to the people living in that particular area which we have seen how many people blood was wasted in this incident that happened few days ago and it has attracted the whole world.

I know that Hamas people will not allow the matter to die like that without pay them back to make the war get worst because, if they allow Israel to go free without them taking action,they will be thinking that Hamas people are afraid of their influence to some big countries in the world which I know that Hamas will take this war to another level.

[kentrolla]

Have you ever hear this thing "Little knowledge is too Dangerous" and that's what your post is all about. I think you need to read the history and check who has done occupied the land how Palestinians were massacred by israili occupational forces and it's not a war when you fight with bunch and militant but kills the civilians and justify that you are fighting militants. I think you would say that it's Ukraine's fault that it's continuing the war with Russia instead of surrendering s it would have saved thousands of casualties. Let's understand both side of story and if you wish to witness the inhumane conditions imposed on Palestinians just visit that plan and you would know the reality.

[Bushdark]

Israel and Hamas-led Palestinian militant groups are currently at war.  News outlets are covering the said war and most of the time, Israel is being put in a spotlight (actually, even in social media, most is condemning Israel in this war).  I am just curious why?  As I research about the origin of the war, they are the one who started it?  (I am not here to support Israel here.  War is war and both sides are at fault and there is no good side in war.)

The Palestine people has full support for Hamas if not, they would not allow the Hamas to use there region to attack war against the Israel. What we are seeing now is backfiring of attack. Now the world is blaming the Palestine people which supposed not to be so.
We need to think well before we start judging who is supposed to be blamed. If you are from Israel and your families are already dead due to the attack on the Israel soil, what would you do? Support the Hamas who are backing the Palestine people? No sentiment please!

[Hispo]

Israel and Hamas-led Palestinian militant groups are currently at war.  News outlets are covering the said war and most of the time, Israel is being put in a spotlight (actually, even in social media, most is condemning Israel in this war).  I am just curious why?  As I research about the origin of the war, they are the one who started it?  (I am not here to support Israel here.  War is war and both sides are at fault and there is no good side in war.)

It is about the politics and the conflict people from Israel have had with the Palestine people for a long time. Most of the people in social media will condem the attacks which took place last October 7th, but there is a perception about Israel taking advantage of this slaughter to further push their occupation plans in the territory of the Palestine people. Those plans are not a secret by the way, just look at what the government of Israel allows settlers to do in the West Bank, in Palestine territory, they are literally allowed to destroy others people property and appropriate their land, using weapons given to them by the government of Tel Aviv.
It is about the toll of innocent lives, if Israel was actually concerned on just taking down terrorists, then this situation would be different, they are using the excuse of colteral damage as a way to carry out war crimes.

When they manage to take over the whole Gaza strip, I am almost certain they won't withdraw from it.

[pooya87]

I am just curious why?  As I research about the origin of the war, they are the one who started it?

This is not "Israel-Hamas" war, this war is about the occupation of Palestine and genocide of Palestinian people while Palestinian people forming resistance and fighting back the occupiers who call themselves "Israel".

The origin of this conflict is a very old one dating back to somewhere between 75 to 100 years. Palestine was once occupied by the British Empire which during WW2 they used as a destination to ship Jews they were kicking out of Europe and United States! Yes the "Allies" were kicking them out just like the "Axis".

These Jews were received in Palestine by the Palestinian people as refugees of war and were given Palestinian passports. People like Golda Meir, a Russian/Ukrainian living in US who was shipped off to Palestine and had a Palestinian passport as she has said in her interviews who later becomes the forth prime minister of the illegitimate occupiers who call themselves Israel.

The side of this ship coming from Europe kicking Jews out reads: "Germans destroyed our families and our homes, don't you destroy our hopes", telling it to Palestinians receiving them.

Later, the problems begin to start as radical Jews and Zionists start taking over and start claiming more and more of Palestinian lands by force.
As you can see in the picture below (from left to right), Jews were supposed to be housed in white areas and there was no such thing as Israel.
But as time passes the occupation starts growing just like a cancer.


Even in 1948 when United Nations (an American organization) sets the borders as the second picture giving legitimacy to occupation and genocide the cancerous cell didn't stop growing. As you can see from the other pictures and how Palestine keeps shrinking as its people are slaughtered by Zionists and their homes are taken away from them by Zionist settlers.

So today, what we see hear in the news as "Gaza" is a tiny remainder of much bigger Palestine. The rest is still under occupation. However, Gaza has proven to be the toughest place for the Zionist occupiers to occupy and it is Palestine's last stance against being completely wiped off the face of the earth.

So who started this war? Obviously the occupiers who have been occupying Palestine for the past 75 years and have been committing genocide, ethnically cleansing Palestinian people.
The Palestinian Resistance Movement which the acronym of it in Arabic is H.A.M.A.S. is just resisting against the occupation and is defending their homes against the Zionist terrorists who are members of the terrorist organization called Israel.

[swogerino]

The fact that the civil society in every developed country condemn Israel is because they claim they are at war with Hamas yet they keep killing innocent persons,the same thing that Russia is doing and is being condemned by not only civil society but also by the governments,something not being done against Israel and that is clearly understandable as Israel runs all the bank business in the world so there is no way the governments would be calling the war a genocide like they are calling it for Russia,this shows the double standard of our societies,all of them,west which I am part of and also east which they claim other things and other things.I do not trust anyone anymore in this world except myself.

[Hispo]

The fact that the civil society in every developed country condemn Israel is because they claim they are at war with Hamas yet they keep killing innocent persons,the same thing that Russia is doing and is being condemned by not only civil society but also by the governments,something not being done against Israel and that is clearly understandable as Israel runs all the bank business in the world so there is no way the governments would be calling the war a genocide like they are calling it for Russia,this shows the double standard of our societies,all of them,west which I am part of and also east which they claim other things and other things.I do not trust anyone anymore in this world except myself.

I am not sure I would dare to say Israel runs all banks in the world or those which are important in the West, though. I know there must be important bankers in Israel, but not all of them.
The double standar between the war going on in Ukraine and the civilian population suffering from the war in Gaza comes because of the status Israel has as one of the most important foreign allies of the United States of America and the fact Joe Biden has already pledged unconditional aid and support to Israel, regardless of the use of force against civilians who have nothing to do with the Hamas as a terrorist organization. Let us make no mistake, in both of those wars / armed conflicts there have been an important loss of inno cents lives which are supposed to be condemned in the hardest terms possible. We just to be aware the geopolitical context on why governments are again some things happening and barely mention others.

It is nothing new, by the way, from the beginning of Western politics, countries have been in for defending best they perceive to be their own interests.

[nngella]

Have you ever hear this thing "Little knowledge is too Dangerous" and that's what your post is all about. I think you need to read the history and check who has done occupied the land how Palestinians were massacred by israili occupational forces and it's not a war when you fight with bunch and militant but kills the civilians and justify that you are fighting militants. I think you would say that it's Ukraine's fault that it's continuing the war with Russia instead of surrendering s it would have saved thousands of casualties. Let's understand both side of story and if you wish to witness the inhumane conditions imposed on Palestinians just visit that plan and you would know the reality.

Funny because I read the history first before making this post.  Did you know the war of Palestines and Israelites in the past?  Did you also know that most of those wars, Palestines were the ones who initiated the war? Same thing with the current Israel-Hamas war.  Hamas started all of this but Israel is the only one being portrayed as the bad guy.  I think the media is being biased on reporting and make the people go angry with Israel solely and not with Hamas.

And regarding the Ukraine and Russian War, we all know that Russia started the war and we all know that Putin is the one who initiated this even though some Russian citizens and politicians are against on this war.

[nngella]

I am just curious why?  As I research about the origin of the war, they are the one who started it?

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As I read, Palestine became an Arab state and Jewish state.  Both nations have conflict with each other.  The maps that you cited (the losing of territories of Palestines) were due to the war mostly initiated by Palestines and their allies (i.e. Egypt, Syria, etc).  They initiated the war but they lost and forced to sign an agreement.  It is not about Israel's radical forces solely initiating this conflict (yes they initiated also but not most were Palestines and their allies).

[AVE5]

What Israel did to Hamas people will make others countries not to support them for this war because, they know that war don't always bring good thing to the people living in that particular area which we have seen how many people blood was wasted in this incident that happened few days ago and it has attracted the whole world.

What's the bone of your contentions about this? Do we recall the history of what triggered this unfinished war? In the first place we're not even supposed to dare who we're aware that has the potential capacities to bring us down when we don't believe our own capacity would deliver us from when the prices would come.
Hammas where unfit to face Israel in a battle and yet they forged ahead and priced on a battle deal they can't afford to handle. Now it's becoming unbearable and unreasonable war for them being the hammas. If I may ask, why did they attacked the Israelites while they were on fest supposing to be their holy days? I guess hammas never expected the hit they're getting as feedback from the Israelites.

I know that Hamas people will not allow the matter to die like that without pay them back to make the war get worst because, if they allow Israel to go free without them taking action,they will be thinking that Hamas people are afraid of their influence to some big countries in the world which I know that Hamas will take this war to another level.

What's the benefits in waring? I'm concerned to know about this because I don't know why you'd have the insight that Hammas wouldn't let go off the war. Are we blind or unaware that lives and properties are being on a high destructions and looses? Why would a government engage on battle of supremacies while citizens and valuables are being wasted at the cost? Well, I should bring it up to you that from the state of origin, the Israelites has always been beaten up the Hammas from this same cost of battle of supremacies and the Hammas has never daared to defend itself talk more of defeating the he Israelis.
Let's campaign to desist from uncalleful wars. It's not worth it.

[blckhawk]

When you said war is war and that both sides are wrong, you messed up. You're probably a troll OP but I got to tell you, you really made some of the people in here worked up. You probably should check out other news outlets or better yet, Palestinian journalists that are still alive that's documenting the war and see why everyone's condemning what Israel's doing in this genocide, it's not a war. To everyone that's trying to argue with OP, don't waste your time, he'll just say that "in this history book that I've read". No point in arguing or stating some facts. He's not curious, definitely a troll that supports Israel.

[pooya87]

As I read, Palestine became an Arab state and Jewish state.  Both nations have conflict with each other.  The maps that you cited (the losing of territories of Palestines) were due to the war mostly initiated by Palestines and their allies (i.e. Egypt, Syria, etc).  They initiated the war but they lost and forced to sign an agreement.  It is not about Israel's radical forces solely initiating this conflict (yes they initiated also but not most were Palestines and their allies).

Palestine was never allowed to exist as a country after the occupation, otherwise it would have had a military and a lot more!

The wars you are talking about between countries in the region and the Zionist occupiers is because these occupiers have always had the plan to expand (between "two seas" thing). From the start the Zionist occupiers have considered majority of the countries in West Asia their own that they should occupy one day!!!
In first couple of decades the Zionist started attacking others and expanding. They did also occupy some parts of these countries too. Like taking over parts of Egypt, Syria, half of Lebanon, etc. Consequently these countries started fighting the Zionists to prevent their expansion and occupation of their countries because they didn't want to be wiped out like Palestine.

Even today that they are defeated and limited to occupied Palestine, these Zionists haven't stopped their dreams of expansion and world domination. The latest outrage I can recall is from a year ago when their claims on parts of Jordan angered everyone in this country: https://www.raialyoum.com/%D8%AE%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%B7%D8%A9-%D8%A3%D8%B1%D8%AF%D9%86%D9%8A%D8%A9-%D8%A8%D8%AF%D9%88%D9%86-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%83%D9%8A%D8%A7%D9%86-%D8%B3%D9%8A%D9%85%D9%88%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%AA%D8%B4-%D9%81/

[Bushdark]

Israel and Hamas-led Palestinian militant groups are currently at war.  News outlets are covering the said war and most of the time, Israel is being put in a spotlight (actually, even in social media, most is condemning Israel in this war).  I am just curious why?  As I research about the origin of the war, they are the one who started it?  (I am not here to support Israel here.  War is war and both sides are at fault and there is no good side in war.)

We should always know the the Palestine are the major problems they are facing.
They supported the Hamas so what do they expect when they attacked the innocent people even people from other regions.
No country will accept this shit when they are attacked fir nothing. If this same thing haopens to country like Germany, Palestinians would no be in the surface of the earth by now. We need to embrace peace and stop being sentimental.