Is it time now to use Premium VPN when playing in the casino?

[Coin_trader]

Recently I saw 2 case that related to violation of multiple account terms of the casino. This incident happened on different casino which means it’s already the standard in many casino. Assuming that they are honest that the other account is from friend or family member, there’s no way to defend this to the casino since they view it as general multiple account violation.

Also, if you have friends that regularly hanging out to your house and play the same casino which you referred to them. There’s always a chance that you will share an IP if they connect to your Wifi.

So I’m thinking if using premium VPN with dedicated IP should become a standard now to avoid this kind of multiple account incident? What do you think? Currently I’m using Cyberghost Premium VPN after reading this cases since I have friends too that using same casino since I refer them to play on it.

This is the 2 cases that I mention above:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5487268.msg63745780#msg63745780
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5487117.msg63746846#msg63746846


Top Answer:

It's in no ones interest to ban legit players who contribute to the business, but it also depends on what you guys are doing.

If you're just playing with your own routines, credit cards and games, everything will be done in the background regarding checks, the matrix will not flag you since it can see that you're from the same city/street/household, no one will get into trouble. Imagine people gaming from a hotel room or a resort, they are all on the same IP, but the matrix isn't triggered because it sees different account details, gameplay patterns and funding sources. I also used to play online poker with newly registered friends in the same room and operators wouldn't mind it since the reg data was legit.

So if you're not doing anything shady, don't worry about the same IP, friends connecting and playing on the same wi-fi and so on.

However, if you're both registering at the same time and trying to abuse the betting or bonus mechanic from the same IP, and additionally using store bought debit cards or random crypto wallets, then yes, you'll get banned.

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[Oshosondy]

Also, if you have friends that regularly hanging out to your house and play the same casino which you referred to them. There’s always a chance that you will share an IP if they connect to your Wifi.

The casino do more investigation before concluding that someone is having two accounts. If the casino is reputed and if the person did not cheated, like using two or more accounts for first time deposit bonus, if there is nothing like that, the casino will likely just merge the two account together if truly the two accounts belong to the same person.

So I’m thinking if using premium VPN with dedicated IP should become a standard now to avoid this kind of multiple account incident? What do you think? Currently I’m using Cyberghost Premium VPN after reading this cases since I have friends too that using same casino since I refer them to play on it.

Read the casino ToS. Some casino do not allow the use of VPN. I do not use the network that I am using with other gamblers and I have no problem. If I will use WiFi, it will not be for long and no problem about that.

[Coin_trader]

So I’m thinking if using premium VPN with dedicated IP should become a standard now to avoid this kind of multiple account incident? What do you think? Currently I’m using Cyberghost Premium VPN after reading this cases since I have friends too that using same casino since I refer them to play on it.

Read the casino ToS. Some casino do not allow the use of VPN. I do not use the network that I am using with other gamblers and I have no problem. If I will use WiFi, it will not be for long and no problem about that.

VPN is not prohibited if you will not use it to bypass your country restriction. Also premium VPN support same country IP which means it’s like using regular IP because your IP record will be on same country.

You will only have problem when using VPN if you use different country or you are from country that prohibited by the casino.

Maybe, On some casino VPN is totally prohibited but I didn’t encounter them so far but I’m not removing this possibility so make sure to read always the ToS and ask the support.


For example this:

14.4 The attempt to manipulate your real location through the use of VPN, proxy, or similar services or through the provision of incorrect or misleading information about your place of residence, with the intent to circumvent geo-blocking or jurisdiction restrictions, constitutes a breach of Clause 5 of this Terms of Service.

@SirJohnVonSlotty can you help us to clarify this. So far I’m still confused on the general stand of the casino in regards of using VPN. What if VPN use this way, Same country IP just to protect for possible unintentional multiple account violation?

[bluebit25]

(...)So I’m thinking if using premium VPN with dedicated IP should become a standard now to avoid this kind of multiple account incident? What do you think? Currently I’m using Cyberghost Premium VPN after reading this cases since I have friends too that using same casino since I refer them to play on it.

It seems a bit complicated, but in general services do not encourage individuals to use multiple accounts on the device. And the way you mentioned is also a solution for better use, but I know that as long as the account/device is fine, you can freely use it without any trouble (not for those who use multiple accounts > 5 accounts)

I can completely confidently use 4 accounts on different devices and connect to the same network. Using VPN is probably for really professional people with large numbers like 100, 1000, ... and it is also possible that they do not want to make their identity public and hide it through VPN, but in cases where they do not want to reveal information, they will often apply other, more professional methods.

[crwth]

I know that it's a premium service with VPNs, I remember when I purchased a new subscription and it had that kind of option but I didn't opt-in because it's quite expensive and I didn't think it would be too useful for me. I'm not sure about how I would use it as well. Maybe just security? Like your purpose with playing in casinos.

It would be ideal to use that if you are always playing in the casino.

[Mr. Magkaisa]

Recently I saw 2 case that related to violation of multiple account terms of the casino. This incident happened on different casino which means it’s already the standard in many casino. Assuming that they are honest that the other account is from friend or family member, there’s no way to defend this to the casino since they view it as general multiple account violation.

Also, if you have friends that regularly hanging out to your house and play the same casino which you referred to them. There’s always a chance that you will share an IP if they connect to your Wifi.

So I’m thinking if using premium VPN with dedicated IP should become a standard now to avoid this kind of multiple account incident? What do you think? Currently I’m using Cyberghost Premium VPN after reading this cases since I have friends too that using same casino since I refer them to play on it.

            -   Is that cryberghost legit? Isn't there also a monthly subscription that ends if anyone wants to use a VPN? Now, let's go back to the gambling issue. There is a point in what you are saying that when you have another partner at home who also gambles online, and that is one of them, and that is the same casino platform that you are playing on, it will actually appear in the casino that violations like multiple accounts or dummy accounts are usually illegal.

I think that if it's okay in a casino for you to use a VPN because the casino is in your country, that can be an excuse. Right? because it seems unfair to the depositor who uses a VPN. If he deposits money in a casino, then suddenly the casino will block your account because you used a VPN. They should also block the deposit of money from gamblers in the country where the casino is owned to make the fight fair, right? Why would you block the gamblers if they saw that they used VPNs from the beginning but accepted the money to gamble? Do I have a point?

[Solosanz]

I'm not really know about premium VPN, do they give a feature to connect into a specific area? let's say a free VPN won't give you a choice to pick which country, they will select it random. When you have subscribe them, you can choose any country you wants, do they also give the specific area of a city you want to connect?

Using VPN seems to be risky, especially you've publicize if you will use VPN in this forum, so they will know it lol.

[panjul07]

I've been using premium VPN for years for my online gambling activity, so far no issues for me fortunately.
My main purpose of using VPN is to hide my real IP obviously and to bypass provider's restriction (not general restriction by the casinos).
Coming to the main idea which is about multiple accounts, basically I do not really like where casino has a term 1 user per IP because or multiple accounts against the term because I think multiple accounts is fine as long as it is not being used to abuse the provided promotions.
One of the example you give here happens in Stake, fun fact is that users were allowed to have secondary account in the past but they changed the rules few years back.

[Hirose UK]

Some people who are very active in using the internet prefer to subscribe to Wi-Fi because the network quality is better, but for gambler this will be quite worrying, especially in house that is often used for gathering and gambling together.
IP addresses as whole can be connected and of course this raises suspicions about the use of multiple accounts on one IP address to commit some fraud, clearly this is problem that can be complicated.
But usually gambler who has Wi-Fi and uses his house for gatherings will not share Wi-Fi with his friends because this is an effort to secure his personal account.

On the other hand, there are also gamblers who use VPN to access gambling sites but on average use regular VPN because they are more cost-effective.
When using premium VPN, there will indeed be many IP from various countries that can be used and of course there are many advantages you can get, but there are additional costs for subscribing and premium VPNs are not yet known by many people.

Both have the same goal, namely being able to access any gambling site more easily because there are still many countries that restrict access to several prohibited sites such as gambling, especially for countries that have a ban on gambling.
However, we still have to prioritize the casino regulations because not all casinos will give permission or allow their customers to access using VPN, we must be able to comply with these conditions for our own comfort.

[Viscore]

There's a risk of getting flagged for having multiple accounts sharing the same IP address. However, I think that risk may be higher if you have significant winnings. I don't know exactly how their mechanisms work, but it's likely not an automatic process, and they would conduct an investigation. Nevertheless, taking preventive measures is advisable. If you see it as a risk, finding an alternative solution like not letting your friends use your network or subscribing to a VPN, as you mentioned, is a good idea.

Based on my experience, I used to gamble regularly in our office, and my office mates did the same. I never experienced any problems with multiple accounts issues, probably because at that time, the rules were not strictly enforced yet. This was about 5 years ago.

[robelneo]

So I’m thinking if using premium VPN with dedicated IP should become a standard now to avoid this kind of multiple account incident? What do you think? Currently I’m using Cyberghost Premium VPN after reading this cases since I have friends too that using same casino since I refer them to play on it.

It's a case-to-case basis you may protect yourself from multiple accounts but you could also be violating the casinos' rules of not using a VPN unless you contact their support first or they stipulate on their terms that they don't allow the use of VPN, allegations of multi-accounting has been one of the top reason why casinos reject a user's withdrawal especially if it involves a huge amount, a reputable casino will allow themselves to go to arbitration to defend their decision, so if you think that a user is an innocence then both parties should undergo an arbitration proceeding.
If the casino cannot defend its allegation it will deny that request but if it's a reputable casino they are more willing to back up its allegation.

So to prevent this be sure you do not share your wifi with someone who could be playing in a casino without you knowing it, some players are not aware that they have someone in their household who's playing the same casino as yours.

[mirakal]

I wouldn't do that; some gambling sites are also strict with using VPN as that would not reveal our correct location. With the advent of KYC nowadays, the implementation is already strict, and they want us to provide our real location while we are gambling. Using a VPN may only put our account in trouble, or scammer gambling sites may use it against us and claim that we have violated the Terms of Service.

If the problem is only because you might have a friend gambling on the same casino or gambling site that might use your IP, then you should restrict your IP for your own usage only. You can avail a static IP from your ISP and make it strictly for your personal transactions, particularly in gambling.

[Mahdirakib]

Casino doesn't consider an user as abuser with multiple accounts if some people use the same public ISP to place bets. They take serious steps after doing a deeper investigation, the anti-fraud system isn't that simple. Casino also observe the betting pattern, device fingerprinting, wallet address connections, etc. Most of the casino doesn’t consider the usage of VPN normally, no matter whether it is premium or shared VPN.

The anti-fraud system of a casino will keep you and your friend account to the suspicious list if both of you have same betting pattern always. It looks like the same thing has happened in those two cases which you have pointed in the main post. They were using the same ISP, which has added another piece of evidence of account connection.

[cabron]

If you did nothing with your 2nd account, I think the casino will not mind about it. No violation like the 2 accounts exploited some bonuses, there is nothing to worry about.

But using VPN may instead result in something else as these casinos can change policies about using VPNs. It may only be the reason why your account gets blocked. However, if you did something and you are yet not blocked, the casino hasn't looked into your account yet until probably you win a jackpot which they will discover something.

[PytagoraZ]

So I’m thinking if using premium VPN with dedicated IP should become a standard now to avoid this kind of multiple account incident? What do you think? Currently I’m using Cyberghost Premium VPN after reading this cases since I have friends too that using same casino since I refer them to play on it.

For security reasons, if you are hanging out with friends and gambling using a cellphone, it's a good idea to use a cellphone signal and not use WiFi so that you and your friends don't have the same IP.

Using a VPN is also not a good solution because some casinos are not VPN friendly. But I always use VPN when gambling because my country blocks access to many gambling sites so I have to use VPN. So it is better if you do not use a VPN if your country does not block access to gambling sites

[danherbias07]

The problem is, they don't allow VPN and I think it will not be the solution to that problem.

Well, there's the use of data. Tell them to use their own mobile data or hotspot it to their own laptops if they want but do not connect to your own WIFI if they will gamble.
I only have one account on Stake.com because I know it could be a problem later on if ever I create another account just for gambling purposes. I don't use VPN too so I cannot comment about that.
But since it's written in terms of the service of Stake.com, let's try our best to abide by it. Let us not give trouble to ourselves and check out who the people connecting that are using the same gambling site. Even if we put this in case, we cannot win. First of all, it was already written and before we played we accepted those terms.
Those two guys you linked here will probably not win it if ever there comes a time this will go the court. So OP, I would not recommend any VPN usage.

[swogerino]

That would be a last resort solution,kinda like Gateway of Last Resort in Networking devices and should only be used when you have absolutely no other choice.I think that the casinos have quite a lot of scripts in place that monitor your gambling behavior,operating system,browser and system specifics like Ram,GPU and processor,chances are really slim that someone with the same range of IP-s when using dynamic IP-s to have the same characteristics of your PC,laptop,tablet or any other device you may be using to access your favorite casino.So I am totally against VPN usage as long as reputable casinos have these scripts in place.

[coin-investor]

So I’m thinking if using premium VPN with dedicated IP should become a standard now to avoid this kind of multiple account incident? What do you think? Currently I’m using Cyberghost Premium VPN after reading this cases since I have friends too that using same casino since I refer them to play on it.

Casinos has sophisticated tools in their interface to trace all their users, I'm not a casino operator but if other platform can trace your coordinates or exact locations much more on casino platforms, casinos are fully aware of manipulation, cheats and hacks trying to commit by players so they have all the tools to trace this because if they do not have this so many casinos will lose through exploit.

The decision to use VPN at your own decision is risky, you have to first ask the casino to check their terms and weigh in between the risk of using and not using, this is where the advice of only play in a reputable casino comes in, if you're playing in a reputable casino any issues that may arise from multi accounting the reputable casino they can properly address it and they are willing to undergo arbitration we have seen casinos willing to undergo third party arbitration through Askgambler or CasinoGuru to prove their point, because they have reputation to protect, scam casinos will not go arbitration.

[piebeyb]

There are some sites that are so advanced that even if my friend registers at the same casino using the same IP at my house, he will definitely fail and will find an error that the IP is already in use, so it happens that the IP on my home internet is the only one I use, after all not It's also good if the internet IP at our house is used by many other gambling friends, it's best for them to use their own internet with their own IP so that it doesn't create a mess with our account in the end.

I never use a VPN if it's not necessary, usually I use it if I'm really far from home and I have to withdraw money or just play for a while for fun, I don't use a premium VPN, I usually use a free VPN, even though I know it's not safe but I only use it in small casinos where I only put less money there so I use that, except for the main gambling site that I play on, I never use VPN, only play at home using the internet at home, never go outside, let alone give my gambling friends a chance to play. together at home. Looking at the cases above, we often come across them, so it's not strange to see similar cases. Back again to each other's views on using premium VPN.   

[Slow death]

So I’m thinking if using premium VPN with dedicated IP should become a standard now to avoid this kind of multiple account incident? What do you think? Currently I’m using Cyberghost Premium VPN after reading this cases since I have friends too that using same casino since I refer them to play on it.

Read the casino ToS. Some casino do not allow the use of VPN. I do not use the network that I am using with other gamblers and I have no problem. If I will use WiFi, it will not be for long and no problem about that.

VPN is not prohibited if you will not use it to bypass your country restriction. Also premium VPN support same country IP which means it’s like using regular IP because your IP record will be on same country.

You will only have problem when using VPN if you use different country or you are from country that prohibited by the casino.

Maybe, On some casino VPN is totally prohibited but I didn’t encounter them so far but I’m not removing this possibility so make sure to read always the ToS and ask the support.


For example this:

14.4 The attempt to manipulate your real location through the use of VPN, proxy, or similar services or through the provision of incorrect or misleading information about your place of residence, with the intent to circumvent geo-blocking or jurisdiction restrictions, constitutes a breach of Clause 5 of this Terms of Service.

@SirJohnVonSlotty can you help us to clarify this. So far I’m still confused on the general stand of the casino in regards of using VPN. What if VPN use this way, Same country IP just to protect for possible unintentional multiple account violation?

When casino rules prohibit people from manipulating geographic location using VPN, they are being clear that it doesn't matter if the person lives in a country that is on the list of countries allowed by the casino and that person is using an IP from another country that is also is on the list of allowed countries, the fact is that in the document that the person handed in at the casino it says that the person lives in country x and on street z, when the person uses an IP from country y, then that person is already breaking the main part of the tos that says all customers must provide truthful information, the person must provide truthful information must not hide or manipulate any information

Therefore, if the casino catches you using an IP from a country that is not the same country that is registered with the casino, then the casino has the right to ask you to provide a document proving the address of the country in which you are using the IP and in that This is when the person puts themselves in a very difficult position because as they were using a German VPN while living in France, for example, they will not be able to provide proof of Germany address, and the casino has the right to block the person's account with the funds. That's why I always advise people not to use VPN in casinos