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March 02, 2024, 04:02:39 PM |
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Before you used VPN, you should ask the casino about using VPN in their casino because some casinos will not allow and will not tolerate if their members using VPN. If casino allow, you can used VPN to playing gambling. If you used VPN Premium, I guess that will be no problem as long as your country listed on that VPN so you can use it to connected to the casino to avoid the same connection with the other people who uses the same casino. But you needs to make sure that it's not break the rules of the casino itself.
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March 02, 2024, 04:02:57 PM |
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The casino do more investigation before concluding that someone is having two accounts. If the casino is reputed and if the person did not cheated, like using two or more accounts for first time deposit bonus, if there is nothing like that, the casino will likely just merge the two account together if truly the two accounts belong to the same person. I have never heard of this happening. Do you have an example of when a casino did that? VPN is not prohibited if you will not use it to bypass your country restriction. Also premium VPN support same country IP which means it’s like using regular IP because your IP record will be on same country.
You will only have problem when using VPN if you use different country or you are from country that prohibited by the casino.
Maybe, On some casino VPN is totally prohibited but I didn’t encounter them so far but I’m not removing this possibility so make sure to read always the ToS and ask the support.
Okay. I read these sentences and I am confused too. As far as I know, casinos are clear on VPNs being used to bypass geographic restrictions I don't know if it still applies in your case. SirJohnVonSlotty who is an expert here should help clarify this.
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March 02, 2024, 04:08:46 PM |
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Recently I saw 2 case that related to violation of multiple account terms of the casino. This incident happened on different casino which means it’s already the standard in many casino. Assuming that they are honest that the other account is from friend or family member, there’s no way to defend this to the casino since they view it as general multiple account violation. Also, if you have friends that regularly hanging out to your house and play the same casino which you referred to them. There’s always a chance that you will share an IP if they connect to your Wifi. So I’m thinking if using premium VPN with dedicated IP should become a standard now to avoid this kind of multiple account incident? What do you think? Currently I’m using Cyberghost Premium VPN after reading this cases since I have friends too that using same casino since I refer them to play on it. This is the 2 cases that I mention above: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5487268.msg63745780#msg63745780https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5487117.msg63746846#msg63746846Is there a reason you wouldn't rather buy another mobile phone subscription that comes with the internet and you get new ip with that? Even vpn services probably rotate those dedicated IPs when subscription is done, and you might get one that was previously used for that casino. It's a small change but try to explain that, if there's a strict no-VPN rule. I wouldn't take any changes. AT least in here, another internet subscription that comes with new ip, is almost cheap if not cheaper then any premium VPN. I avoid using wifi, but i admit it's a problem. It might even connect automatically and you don't even realize you are using it instead of your own ip from phone for example.
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March 02, 2024, 04:27:08 PM |
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I'm not really know about premium VPN, do they give a feature to connect into a specific area? let's say a free VPN won't give you a choice to pick which country, they will select it random. When you have subscribe them, you can choose any country you wants, do they also give the specific area of a city you want to connect?
Using VPN seems to be risky, especially you've publicize if you will use VPN in this forum, so they will know it lol.
The essence of people using is to prevent identification of locations, so we have to understand that vpn is the kind of location charger because i see that it's why many people do use a vpn so that nobody will identify their own root, as I said before that what is really necessary is because you have hide your environment so that people or particular websites will not understand your area, another thing in question is that anyone who uses a vpn in casino gambling websites have a multiple account and that is why it uses vpn so the team of that site will not know that it has a different account with them, or their country is restricted using that site and only way it can use the site is through vpn.
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killerfrost
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March 02, 2024, 04:34:57 PM |
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Using your home Wi-Fi for these gatherings can be a gamble in itself. Sharing your network with everyone is like leaving your chips unguarded – anyone can walk away with your info!
VPNs seem like the ultimate solution, right? They're like secret tunnels to access any gambling site, no matter where you are. But here's the catch: free VPNs are like those shady backroom casinos – unreliable and full of limitations. Premium ones offer more options, but they cost extra, and some online gambling dens frown upon them altogether.
The bottom line is, there's no magic bullet. You gotta weigh the risks and play it safe. Secure connections are key, but remember, some casinos have their own rules about how you connect. Break them, and you might be out of the game for good.
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March 02, 2024, 04:41:35 PM |
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VPN is not prohibited if you will not use it to bypass your country restriction. Also premium VPN support same country IP which means it’s like using regular IP because your IP record will be on same country.
You will only have problem when using VPN if you use different country or you are from country that prohibited by the casino.
Maybe, On some casino VPN is totally prohibited but I didn’t encounter them so far but I’m not removing this possibility so make sure to read always the ToS and ask the support.
Well, you can do this way to have a dedicated IP address through IP to access the casino but we always make mistakes. Like sometime you may connect the site while VPN is connected ? I think casinos ware intelligent to determine if you are using one account or multiple accounts. Even if your friends come to your home and connect your WIFI to connect to the casino, but they must be using their own devices (mobiles) to connect to the casino site. The sites are intelligent enough to determine your devices too and browsers etc and they won't link the two accounts. Yes, in case of your brothers or sisters having accounts on the same gambling site, this may cause problems and you need to carefully select the VPN with dedicated IP address in order to be safe. Or maybe someone may have other solutions too
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March 02, 2024, 04:45:20 PM |
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If you did nothing with your 2nd account, I think the casino will not mind about it. No violation like the 2 accounts exploited some bonuses, there is nothing to worry about.
But using VPN may instead result in something else as these casinos can change policies about using VPNs. It may only be the reason why your account gets blocked. However, if you did something and you are yet not blocked, the casino hasn't looked into your account yet until probably you win a jackpot which they will discover something.
I agree with your statement. When money is involved in a certain act, you must be extremely careful with everything that you do. You must also secure that what you are doing is genuinely acceptable within the terms prescribed on the gambling's TOS. Even if a VPN can be argued as "safe", there is nothing that can guarantee this given that casinos have the authority to withhold your funds if they feel like you have violated any of their terms even if it is somehow vague and prejudicial against you. On the cases that OP provided, I have a feeling that the person who got banned from using two (2) accounts on the same IP address has a strong case against Stake. I feel like they have been automatically flagged, thereby having an automated banned from their account.
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March 02, 2024, 04:47:45 PM |
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Is this also happening to a casinos with KYC? I’m wondering the purpose of KYC if they will still think that you have multiple accounts. If you are going to use VPN make sure you don’t spend much money on that because its prohibited in many casinos and if they caught you they can easily freeze your account which is for me, more risky. Better to have your own personal internet connection or just use your data for your gambling activities, by doing this at least you lessen the risk of being tagged as multi account.
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March 02, 2024, 04:56:56 PM |
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Most of the casino will allow us to use VPN, but usually they will not mention it on their terms nor provide a clear answer when we asks about it to their support. Also we must be ready for the KYC anytime because our account will be marked as a multi account if other people ever used the same IP/VPN on that casino. Even using a premium VPN will not guarantee that the IP is clean, there is still a chance that anyone ever used the IP to register on that casino. But, the premium VPN is always the best choice if we really cannot use the original IP due to some reasons. Regarding the case you mentioned above: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5487117.msg63746846#msg63746846Any casino will not allow their user to have more than 1 account, but confiscated all of the funds while the other account is an empty account (never depo, play and wd) is a bit too harsh. Some casinos will review its case by case, not just confiscated the funds and closed the account like that. However, we havent heard the story from the casino side yet. Its too early to judge who is wrong or right.
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March 02, 2024, 04:58:26 PM |
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When it comes to this manner then im not really that someone who do mind much about multi-accounting yet the sites or platforms that i've been dealing with arent that too strict when it comes to multi account or VPN and it would really be just that a common approach that casinos would really be that just strict when it comes to multi account specially if its been used on having those kind of possible abuse. If ever there would really be some second long in then i dont believe much that they would immediately having those bans or block due to the said condition. When it comes to VPN then it would really be that just that depending into their terms and conditions and its up to them whether they would really be that too strict into this one or not.
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March 02, 2024, 05:14:58 PM |
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If you're complying and not wanting a banned account then it's a good idea for you to start using that, definitely would help you more and it's hassle free compared to risking not using a VPN and your friends are playing in your home connected to the same IP and then getting banned over this stupid clause in a lot of casinos' terms and conditions and then having to prove your innocence, that you've never done any multi accounting scheme and that it's really your friend's account that's just connected your WiFi.
To be honest, when it comes to casino, I find some of their applied terms and conditions are stupid or if it was implemented in real life are just too crazy if not too strict? Ain't no way everyone's going to follow that crazy stuff and some of them are just outright ridiculous, like this one, wouldn't that be an advantage for the gambling sites that someone's got a multiple account because that can only mean that they're going to see more money squeezed out of someone, they could've just focused on protecting the machines or programs that are running these schemes instead of doing a scorched earth policy of banning them for such a minor offense.
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March 02, 2024, 05:26:42 PM |
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I don't use vpn when gambling because the sites I gamble on can be run on my local area network without vpn. But when some sites are down, I use free vpn just to access the sites. And since I don't use big amounts in gambling, I don't have much risk. I don't care about the amount I deposit into gambling sites. so never thought that account lock or suspension can be a problem for me. but if someone worried for his deposit or worried about safety then he/she can use premium vpn. I don't know if using a premium vpn can make any difference in terms of security because if you have to kyc you can never stay anonymous.
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March 02, 2024, 05:38:31 PM |
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Recently I saw 2 case that related to violation of multiple account terms of the casino. This incident happened on different casino which means it’s already the standard in many casino. Assuming that they are honest that the other account is from friend or family member, there’s no way to defend this to the casino since they view it as general multiple account violation. Also, if you have friends that regularly hanging out to your house and play the same casino which you referred to them. There’s always a chance that you will share an IP if they connect to your Wifi. So I’m thinking if using premium VPN with dedicated IP should become a standard now to avoid this kind of multiple account incident? What do you think? Currently I’m using Cyberghost Premium VPN after reading this cases since I have friends too that using same casino since I refer them to play on it. This is the 2 cases that I mention above: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5487268.msg63745780#msg63745780https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5487117.msg63746846#msg63746846It's very strange that casinos don't allow multiple accounts from one IP because I think there will be many cases when two family members gamble and because of this restriction, they probably have to choose different casinos and because of that, some casinos might lose a good, loyal customers. I think it's a good idea to have a look at this thread if you want to choose a VPN service provider: List of VPN Service Providers - 2024. When purchasing a VPN, one has to choose VPN with dedicated IP. The advantage of dedicated IP is that it won't be blacklisted and no one else will be use that IP but disadvantage is that you are sacrificing your privacy (information will still be hidden from your ISP). P.S. If you choose a VPN with dedicated IP, be sure that your exact location and bought IP's location match each other because it's a violation of rules if you try to use a VPN to bypass location restriction, keep that in mind.
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March 02, 2024, 05:43:21 PM |
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@SirJohnVonSlotty can you help us to clarify this. So far I’m still confused on the general stand of the casino in regards of using VPN. What if VPN use this way, Same country IP just to protect for possible unintentional multiple account violation?
Ofc, I'm gonna speak plainly. If you're on an unlicensed or curacao licensed brand (or equivalent), as long as you're not activating the money laundering matrix (e.g. depositing large amounts from different credit cards) and as long as you're playing in the casinos favor, no one is going to do anything. However, as soon as the first big win hits, and you want to get money out of the casino, they will trigger KYC, and if you registered with a German IP, but your documents are from Netherlands, they will just refund you the funds that you've placed on that winning bet (just the winning bet, not everything historically that you've lost, they will gladly take that), and then close your account. Remember, casinos are here for entertainment, not for giving out money to every player. If the business model would be to give out every anon player $100 + a kiss on the forehead, they would quickly go bankrupt. The business model is to entertain you, and charge you for that. If you're on an MGA licensed brand, you will not get close to serious deposits without KYC, and they have methods of knowing if you're using a VPN or not. There's a bulk list (and several providers for them) that show which IP addresses common VPN's use, and you can be triggered as a VPN user easily. It costs money and resources, so usually only larger operations have this. The main reason that they have it is because they want to comply with the various governements as much as possible so that when they open up to other operators (like Netherlands just did) the government will check their books, see that they never operated illegally on their market, and grant them a license there. So, just a recap: #1. The operator has ways of knowing if you're on a VPN or not #2. Depending on the license and legality of their business, they might keep you unverified if you're lucrative to the business. Again, casinos are here for entertainment, with just a handful of winners. #3. As soon as you're asking for withdrawals, they can figure you out through a KYC, close your account and refer any questions to the TOS. #4. If you're, let us say, from Germany, using a German VPN IP, and playing on a German online casino, usually nothing will happen even if they KYC you. Last week I was traveling around London and entered a few steak houses just to see slot machines and people fighting for "who's gonna go next", one poor fella spent a good 30 mins and god knows how much money, with a theory "the machine is going to "give" soon". And I'm like, no, that would be stupid. The machine is here to entertain you and give you that thrill, but it just doesn't make sense for the business if the machine gives out a jackpot everyday. Sure it's gonna give it at one point, but let's assume that that's not gonna be you at that moment - that's the only healthy way on how to enjoy these things, everything else is delusional. It's very strange that casinos don't allow multiple accounts from one IP because I think there will be many cases when two family members gamble and because of this restriction, they probably have to choose different casinos and because of that, some casinos might lose a good, loyal customers. We do, but it's rare. You can see that it's not the same user, different credit card, different playing patterns etc + you can KYC them and see different documents. However, since most people are usually losing, they don't share that with others. Those few that sometimes win or play some games competitively, they do tend to have family members, but it's really rare.
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I don't use vpn when gambling because the sites I gamble on can be run on my local area network without vpn. But when some sites are down, I use free vpn just to access the sites. And since I don't use big amounts in gambling, I don't have much risk. I don't care about the amount I deposit into gambling sites. so never thought that account lock or suspension can be a problem for me. but if someone worried for his deposit or worried about safety then he/she can use premium vpn. I don't know if using a premium vpn can make any difference in terms of security because if you have to kyc you can never stay anonymous.
with just a few BTC in our account, you still going to be at risk if you have another account if they check your account all of a sudden randomly. casinos are smart enough to conclude why a user does have a 2nd account, of course, they will analyze what it is for and they know that already. and then they register an IP address to each account, and seeing people using VPN, will alarm them. casinos are doing KYC, it would be crazy to see your documents say you are from Thailand, and then your log is saying Germany.
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Before you used VPN, you should ask the casino about using VPN in their casino because some casinos will not allow and will not tolerate if their members using VPN. If casino allow, you can used VPN to playing gambling. If you used VPN Premium, I guess that will be no problem as long as your country listed on that VPN so you can use it to connected to the casino to avoid the same connection with the other people who uses the same casino. But you needs to make sure that it's not break the rules of the casino itself.
The proper step is to read the terms of service of the casino if the use of a VPN is accepted. If you don't understand some parts of the document and need clarification, you could seek more information from the support service. The easiest way to avoid all this multiple accounts drama due to the use of the same Internet Protocol (IP) address is to use your internet connections alone. If you are an active gambler you have to use your phone or internet connection alone to avoid this problem. I am not a fan of sharing WIFI with friends due to security concerns. Your friends should use their own connections to avoid this long process.
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In response to the op, I think this only applies to those who hold gambling to a high value, not for once in a while gamblers like myself and some other persons. But normally, I think the question should be whether it's worth it, if some one has absolutely no other thing to do with the premium VPN aside gambling, then to me, I don't think it's worth it, spending on VPN monthly solely for the purpose of gambling looks like a wastage of resources to me, except like I said before, the person holds gambling to a high value like; he or she depends on gambling as a means of income and so on - anything outside of this, I don't think it's worth it.
What I did do myself to avoid such issues is to be very careful so as not to allow people connect to my hotspot for the purpose of playing on the same casino where I play, if a friend runs out of internet data and needs my help, I will rather gift him or her some of my internet data than allow or turn on my hotspot for them, except the friend is playing on a different casino, or doing something else entirely.
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Really though on most countries you don't need a VPN to access online casinos. They mostly work with just changing the DNS. Most countries don't have further enforcement against online casinos so the extra privacy of a VPN is not that needed.
Also be wary of these "premium" personal IP services as they are often scams. Or at the very least misleading. You should be careful in which casino you play at though, if they are not friendly to a VPN and you need a VPN in your country and might as well not okay at these casinos. Go to casinos that don't care about KYC and VPNs instead.
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Is this also happening to a casinos with KYC? I’m wondering the purpose of KYC if they will still think that you have multiple accounts. If you are going to use VPN make sure you don’t spend much money on that because its prohibited in many casinos and if they caught you they can easily freeze your account which is for me, more risky. Better to have your own personal internet connection or just use your data for your gambling activities, by doing this at least you lessen the risk of being tagged as multi account.
Yes, KYC can help people to know not to have more than one accounts. But know that VPN is not only used for gambling, it can be used for many other reasons, especially for people which are crypto users that like privacy. There are other sites that you may also want to access that you do not want to use your IP address for it. There is a good VPN that can also be used without ads, I have used the free version of proton VPN and no ads, although it is a paid VPN.
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So a premium VPN with a dedicated IP is like having your personal online identity right? It's a way to make sure you and your friends using the same casino don't accidentally trigger alarms for multiple accounts from one IP. It's kind of like having your own VIP entrance to the online casino world, avoiding any hassle or confusion that might arise from sharing the same virtual space with your buddiesso I think it may great to hve one
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