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March 04, 2024, 10:38:03 PM
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I will give more context in a few days, everyone is free to leave their opinions and there is no wrong answer. Just curious what people think of that specific word. There have been some great replies so far for both sides. On the weekend I will post why I asked the question.

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March 04, 2024, 11:50:09 PM
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In simply term vouch is like a guarantor who will stand for you for if anything is found missing and if such takes a loan then the person has payback the loan to lender that is why today many people are running away from that except you want to vouch for the person living in the same house with you, whom you know that at any point you can hold and pressure the person to go pay out their loans. Therefore before you are being hired to come stand or vouch for the person you should also know the implications and for that such person must be only trusted by you meaning you knows his ways about and you knows that person in to-to

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March 05, 2024, 03:44:15 AM
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Apart from not having the funds to lend to a friend, why would I have to lend money to someone when some people or organizations offer such a service?
Because your friend will seek help from people around him before he taking a loan from sharks, banks or other organizations. You don't need to submit any information and you don't have to pay interest (depends on the agreement, usually it's friendlier), so I'm not sure why you can say like that.

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Don't also forget that lending money to a friend or relative also has some repercussions. Your relative or friend might not willingly pay back a debt because of a close relationship. They might be trustworthy but the closeness might mark them default because they know that there will be no penalty and you will always consider them. It is ideal for your relative only funds you can afford to forgo.
If you think your trustworthy relative or friend won't repay back the debt, it means they're not trustworthy.

It seems like you're too early to label other people, you shouldn't label them trustworthy just because they're your family or they're nice to you. Test them with money, live together with them, act stupid, act like a poor, etc you will know their true faces.


I will give more context in a few days, everyone is free to leave their opinions and there is no wrong answer. Just curious what people think of that specific word. There have been some great replies so far for both sides. On the weekend I will post why I asked the question.
Apologies for precedes you, but this might be the context you meant.

He said he didn't take any responsibility for any deals, but not everyone will agree with that since each DT user has a different brain. At least he's one of respectable user, so I don't expect his reputation will ruined just because that newbie become a scammer.

If I were him, I would create a thread to post all evidences of our trade, and then use that thread as reference of my feedback. I won't give any vouch, but at least I've show if I've trade with him without any problem in my feedback.

Hello.

I'm the member who'll vouch for OP's authenticity. I know him personally. He is a gambler with significant member levels in crypto casinos. Newly introduced to bitcointalk. I was the one who asked him to sign up to the forum.

OP wagers heavy, on favourable deposit conditions offered to him at casinos thanks to his membership levels. Those bonuses help him with his strategy. My understanding is he takes on a certain risk exposure, which he has collateral for elsewhere, but has limited capacity to free it up quickly because of fiat concerns.

What I am not doing with this "vouch" is providing any form of guarantee or taking any responsibility for potential deals. My vouch is purely on OP's authenticity, as a personal favour. This is not advice to take him up on his offer. Gambling is high-risk. OP balances that with his favourable conditions, but it doesn't eliminate risk.

All conditions would be up to potential takers to negotiate directly with OP. I recommend a brief but clear contractual agreement to cover specifics such as timeline, payments, and what happens in the event OP loses that deposit.

For me the loan is unrealistic, if he can make money from gambling, he can do it using his own money.

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March 05, 2024, 03:02:11 PM
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I would be careful about using the word "Vouch" - if I am vouching for someone, it means I can speak for them to be trustworthy and probably I would be knowing that person in real life. In the internet, this term is thus dangerous to use because the one who is vouching for someone might end up in trouble if, < make that "when" the person being vouched for, cheats.

After all this is just a forum, but business related stuff are done here and often the sums are not ignorable. I have seen the recent loans happening between a certain "Poker master" and the sharks of this forum, I have my doubts and having been on the side of the sharks at one time on another site, I would not indulge in lending to such users.

I believe this is what the context is about. Cool

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For me the loan is unrealistic, if he can make money from gambling, he can do it using his own money.
I'm not sure why you felt the need to dig or be curious the reason for the question. You needed a gold star? I wanted opinions without giving context so the opinion wasn't biased. You may have thought you were being cool, but in fact you just ruined the question and all other comments from this point on will be tainted. Way to go!!! In the future please avoid my topics if you're going to try to get a gold star.

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So, this is a little awkward, coming in here because of the tag(s) I've been getting over the past 12 hours or so. Sadly, as OP notes, the tag has tainted the thread, and my biased opinion is, unfortunately, part of my response.

To start off, I fit the description. I've vouched for a person once only on this forum, recently, for the authenticity of a borrower. The vouch was that he is who he says he is, does what he says he does. I believe the only other vouch I ever did on BTT was for a mixing service (I forget which precisely, it didn't last long) -- that the service worked as it claimed.

My vouch is my word. I agree with OP almost absolutely. If I vouch for someone, I trust that person and take responsibility for their actions. That said, in my vouch of this person, I specified that I claimed no responsibility for any loans. I couldn't possibly, unless I were ready to act as guarantor for sums I couldn't possibly predict.

In the same way, if I vouched for a service on BTT, I couldn't possibly be held responsible down the line, were that service to rug pull or scam. Like the mixer I vouched for.

For further context to why I think like this -- I believe that I've "sanctioned" services on this forum simply by giving them a prominent space, either via advertising (signature campaign) or sponsorship. I recall when a forum UCL pool sponsor ended up folding and losing member deposits, how distressed I felt. How many people signed up and deposited money because they thought a pool sponsor was trustworthy? How many people did I inadvertently lead down that path because of their big fat banner on the pool? Not one person held me responsible -- but nevertheless, I felt some guilt. All I could do was put warning messages on threads I'd created bearing the sponsor's name. In addition, that casino has apparently repaid all its BTT depositors, so my conscience rests.

All that explained, I've been made aware that the person I vouched for is running into serious repayment challenges. Though not one lender has turned to me, yes, it still distresses me. So I have been taking some responsibility and am doing what I can now to get the borrower to close out his loans. It remains to be seen how far I'll have to go with that involvement, but I'm hoping for a swift conclusion. Lessons learnt, all around. For myself as well.

P.S. Incidentally, I've recently been in real life discussing the merits of a "Certificate of Good Conduct" which many governments issue to employers and educational institutions to prove that applicants are who they say they are, and have no past (serious) criminal records. You could call it a "vouch" from a government on a person's identity and good behaviour, but it seemingly provides no guarantees of future behaviour. Does it imply responsibility on future behaviour? I would hope so, but have not found conclusions to support that.

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P.S. Incidentally, I've recently been in real life discussing the merits of a "Certificate of Good Conduct" which many governments issue to employers and educational institutions to prove that applicants are who they say they are, and have no past (serious) criminal records. You could call it a "vouch" from a government on a person's identity and good behaviour, but it seemingly provides no guarantees of future behaviour.
Actually, it's a "vouch" of not getting caught in any of the crimes they may or may not have committed. That's a subtle difference.

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March 05, 2024, 05:34:23 PM
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The word vouch has been used many times in the forum and real life and the meaning remains inconsistent because the word has to be taken within the context of the situation and conversation. You can vouch for someone on the basis you will become a guarantor if they default on a loan whilst it is also to vouch for someone that you will not become a guarantor if they default on a loan.

I have seen members vouch for campaign managers when companies have created threads looking for someone to handle their forum signature campaigns but none of those members would volunteer to pay even $1 from their own pocket if the campaign manager ran off with the escrowed funds. When they made the vouch they knew they would not cover any potential losses from their own pocket but it still did not stop them from vouching.

The word has been used a lot without but it can only be used correctly if the one vouching states explicitly what he is going to do/not do in the event his vouching of another person leads to a problem.

Throughout my whole life I have always thought that if you "vouch" for someone, then you are telling people that you trust that person. You also agree to take responsibility for that persons actions.

Now to my question. If you "vouch" for someone that they are trustworthy and they take a loan, is the person who vouched putting their reputation on the line? If you didn't trust a person to repay, why would you "vouch" for them?

Curious to see what others say about this.

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March 05, 2024, 06:54:19 PM
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As Helena Yu has already guessed, this thread had to do with a "vouch" from a trusted member buwaytress. I wanted honest opinions from everyone of their interpretation of the word as a certain situation was unfolding that has now calmed. Either way I feel it's a teaching moment for everyone because sometimes actions may have consequences.

Hello.

I'm the member who'll vouch for OP's authenticity. I know him personally. He is a gambler with significant member levels in crypto casinos. Newly introduced to bitcointalk. I was the one who asked him to sign up to the forum.

OP wagers heavy, on favourable deposit conditions offered to him at casinos thanks to his membership levels. Those bonuses help him with his strategy. My understanding is he takes on a certain risk exposure, which he has collateral for elsewhere, but has limited capacity to free it up quickly because of fiat concerns.

What I am not doing with this "vouch" is providing any form of guarantee or taking any responsibility for potential deals. My vouch is purely on OP's authenticity, as a personal favour. This is not advice to take him up on his offer. Gambling is high-risk. OP balances that with his favourable conditions, but it doesn't eliminate risk.

All conditions would be up to potential takers to negotiate directly with OP. I recommend a brief but clear contractual agreement to cover specifics such as timeline, payments, and what happens in the event OP loses that deposit.


buwaytress was just helping his friend out and left a disclaimer he isn't offering any form of guarantee. Problem is potential lenders may not see it that way. I realize that ultimately the deal is between the lender and the borrower. Not telling everyone not to vouch for someone, but be prepared to accept consequences if something should happen because of your words.

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March 05, 2024, 07:19:54 PM
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Absolutely, if you say someone's good for a loan and they end up not paying it back, that makes YOU look bad.  Your name and reputation are on the line.  It's like you promised everyone "Trust me on this dude" and then dude flakes out and leaves you high and dry.  Not a good look. 
Are you sure? I'm not, @OP is one of among users that has a privilege.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean?

Like I said, if you're going to vouch for someone, then your reputation is on the line if he defaults on a loan. You don't agree?

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March 05, 2024, 08:07:43 PM
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P.S. Incidentally, I've recently been in real life discussing the merits of a "Certificate of Good Conduct" which many governments issue to employers and educational institutions to prove that applicants are who they say they are, and have no past (serious) criminal records. You could call it a "vouch" from a government on a person's identity and good behaviour, but it seemingly provides no guarantees of future behaviour.
Actually, it's a "vouch" of not getting caught in any of the crimes they may or may not have committed. That's a subtle difference.

Heh, ever the realist. In fact, depending usually on your economic, political, or social standing, even more accurately, it's a "vouch" of not getting convicted of any crimes they may have been caught/accused of doing.

buwaytress was just helping his friend out and left a disclaimer he isn't offering any form of guarantee. Problem is potential lenders may not see it that way. I realize that ultimately the deal is between the lender and the borrower. Not telling everyone not to vouch for someone, but be prepared to accept consequences if something should happen because of your words.

Certainly something I'm coming to terms in this respect.

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