I don't understand you people...

[Last Unicorn]

Sorry but I cant enough time answer all, but for better understanding I edited it a bit...

I was talking about a case a few weeks ago, when the price dropped from 70 to 60000 within 2 hours.
Why couldn't they sell BTC and wait for the decline to stabilize and then buy BTC again at a much better price, like everyone else did. Instead, they useless went against everyone and against the market, and since they did not have enough purchasing power, the hours dragged on one place (2cm up and down and again, the same over and over for long hours). We could all make decent money, but because of those "experts" we all had 2/3 less.
And right now it's happening again, BTC fell to 65 and again some "geniuses" are preventing further decline, so again the clocks stands in one place and stretches by a few cm. Sorry, but this is nonsense, I dont know if they are trying to piss everyone off, or they are from another planet ...  

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[batang_bitcoin]

You have to understand that you're winning because someone is losing on the other end of this world. This is the market and we're all involved in this. And you can dictate what people will do, if they feel that they should buy at the peak, they'd do that. Before, there have been many that did that mistake and even til' now and on the next cycles, there will still be people that would do that. So, if you don't understand them, just mind your thing and keep repeating what you've been doing profitably.

[Mia Chloe]

What are you trying to explain?
From my understanding of what you wrote, the summary of it all is you always buy some Bitcoin any time there is a dip in price, and of course it is a simple strategy that Hodlers use.

I have also considered a scheme like that only it wasn't quite safe due to the fact it depends on an exchange. Anyways it works like this, anytime there is a significant increase in price change you can swap those coins to a stable altcoin like USDT. and when dips occur you can simply swap back to Bitcoin if the math is correct, in that case you are actually increasing the units of Bitcoin decimals or rather Satoshi's you own.

Anyways buying and storing in a safe wallet aside an exchange is still a better option though.
Don't forget to keep your keys safe mate  

[Rikafip]

Unfortunately, there are always a few "geniuses" who go against the flow and they are buying when they should be selling, and that destroying everyone's earnings...

The way you oversimmplified things, I don't think that you know what you are talking about and mostb likely you end up "selling low buying high" instead the opposite.

If things were so easy as you explained, then majorify of traders woiuld be in profit while in fact only a small percnetage of them are actually successfull in the long run. Sure, you may get lucky and sell few times at the top and buy at the bottom, but its much harder to do that in the long run and end up net positive.

[nakamura12]

That's how they people earn profit which is to buy at the lowest price as it gets and then sell when the price increase. Well, that's their decision if that's what they want to do and let them do it. You should just focus on your own thing and earn profit. After all, it is the market that we are discussing about and if they buy instead of selling then that's their choice and you can only give an advice to them but it's still up to them if either they'd do it or not. It's not all the time that you will earn profit and it slso depends on how long.

[thecodebear]

When I see that the price is flying down steeply, I sell everything and let it fall down. When it stops, then I buy cheap and I have earned...
BTC is going down now, so let it go and buy when it stops. We can all make money from it and then we will again get it up together! Unfortunately, there are always a few "geniuses" who go against the flow and they are buying when they should be selling, and that destroying everyone's earnings...
I'm seriously upset because a couple of such  " smart "  people just ruined my chance to make up for a 15k loss... I would like to kick them somewhere!
                                  

you must be new to investing/trading lol


You're blaming the market for things not going perfectly how you hoped they would go. Sounds like you saw the price crash, sold low, hoping it would go lower, it didn't and now you are sitting on losses. So you are the one who made the mistake, thinking you could beat the market by selling low haha. Can't blame other people for your own mistakes buddy

[The Cryptovator]

You can't decide how others will buy or sell a coin. Also, you can't control the market at any point. You can just do whatever you think is best for yourself. We aren't geniuses and can't trade according to your thoughts. It's good if you can make money even when you start the dump. But we don't know where it will stop. It's kind of stop-loss you are talking, but manual. We all know this strategy, and this way we can accumulate more coins. But it has to be done perfectly, otherwise we may lose. 

[Zigabel]

When I see that the price is flying down steeply, I sell everything and let it fall down. When it stops, then I buy cheap and I have earned...
BTC is going down now, so let it go and buy when it stops. We can all make money from it and then we will again get it up together! Unfortunately, there are always a few "geniuses" who go against the flow and they are buying when they should be selling, and that destroying everyone's earnings...
I'm seriously upset because a couple of such  " smart "  people just ruined my chance to make up for a 15k loss... I would like to kick them somewhere!                 

Your strategy is a normal one which almost everyone applies to get the very best out of Bitcoin, buy low and selling high and this is definitely a decision that will be taken by your the investor with almost no interference by anyone except you allow them to, no one is limited to using any kind of strategy to get the best out of Bitcoin, whatever strategy you feel is best and will give the kind of results you expect to get from.bitcoin you have the liberty to use and whosever is trying to use your same strategy should then know thst they ready to bear whatever risk it is they would come across using your strategy.

You considering other people's strategy well enough to allowing it affect your how well you invest or trade is something you do at your risk because no one is going to pressure you into doing something else, these geniuses you mentioned knows what best works for them so they know how well to trade or going against the ride and still stay profitable so I will advise you don't do what you don't understand.

[nelson4lov]

The market is made up of everyone's biases. You can't control the market because you feel that your bias supercedes every other person's own? I'm familiar with the concept of "not leaving money on the table" but when you chose to apply such strategy, you should make such decisions with the mindset that things might not go your way every single time and that there is always a risk. If you can't take on the risk, just but and hold like the rest of us and you should be fine then when (not if) you're satisfied with the profit, you sell.

[Tipeform$]

When I see that the price is flying down steeply, I sell everything and let it fall down. When it stops, then I buy cheap and I have earned...
BTC is going down now, so let it go and buy when it stops. We can all make money from it and then we will again get it up together! Unfortunately, there are always a few "geniuses" who go against the flow and they are buying when they should be selling, and that destroying everyone's earnings...
I'm seriously upset because a couple of such  " smart "  people just ruined my chance to make up for a 15k loss... I would like to kick them somewhere!
                                 

Everyone thinks like you but very few can succeed. Yesterday when the market went to the highs and went down from there maybe many people went to the highs and sold when it reached $59k some bought and some missed the market. But most people missed the market because I think no one sold in this pumping market everyone expected the market to go higher. I think no one is completely successful in cryptocurrency no matter how technically and manually expert.

[Fiatless]

When I see that the price is flying down steeply, I sell everything and let it fall down. When it stops, then I buy cheap and I have earned...
BTC is going down now, so let it go and buy when it stops. We can all make money from it and then we will again get it up together! Unfortunately, there are always a few "geniuses" who go against the flow and they are buying when they should be selling, and that destroying everyone's earnings...
I'm seriously upset because a couple of such  " smart "  people just ruined my chance to make up for a 15k loss... I would like to kick them somewhere!                        

Everyone deal with Bitcoin Investment differently. Some are traders while others are long-term investors. As a trader, you will have to follow the market to identify when to buy or sell. On the other hand, long-term investors don't have much business with buying or selling because of the slight movement of the market. Most long-term investors have analyzed and forecast how the market will be in the future. Having these predictions in mind they have set price benchmarks on when to sell or buy. They have no business with these minimal price movements that is caused by FUD or FOMO. Your investment strategy might be working for you but don't forget that others also have theirs.

[Assface16678]

That's the midset of those investors or traders that eventually facing a great loss in bitcoin, you can't control the market nor predict what will its next move if you are just an investor that sell their assets just because it drops slightly then you mostly will also not earn or get a reward from it, because slight dip or a dip in price of bitcoin is part of being volatile its not always going upward there's no such thing as that, that's the reason why we are saying that bitcoin is for long term, because if you will focus on what is happening on its price short term then you will most likely came up to a decision to sell if you see it dip slightly, look at the price of bitcoin right now, if you brought bitcoin in january start then you hold your assets up until now then you have already secured a huge profit that's the definition of bitcoin being long term.

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

Bitcoin has just some common investment strategy that the majority of investors are using. There is yet no secret strategy for investing in Bitcoin; apart from buying the dip and hold, maybe sell during a price surge and buy back when the price dips again. The fact is that, if you are a short-term trader, you cannot always outsmart the market at all times. You definitely may also run into losses along the line unless you are lucky enough to sell before a huge dip and also to buy back before a huge pump. 

As a matter of fact, do you know that as the Bitcoin price pumped to $69k today, there were still so many buy orders executed at that price? I believe those people who bought at that price were hoping for the price to get to $70k–$75k so that they could sell and make a little profit. They got disappointed because the price has now dropped, and they will have to wait for another price pump. 

There are many strategies, and everyone has one they are using. If you are a trader or a short-term investor, know that you cannot outsmart the market at all times. 

[tabas]

When I see that the price is flying down steeply, I sell everything and let it fall down. When it stops, then I buy cheap and I have earned...

Actually, this is good on your end because you know what to do and you just have to rinse and repeat this strategy of yours and you'll never know how rich you'll be ending up from doing it so on this market.

BTC is going down now, so let it go and buy when it stops. We can all make money from it and then we will again get it up together!

And while us the holders, just do nothing but to watch everyone get liquidated and do their hustle and bustle in action.

Unfortunately, there are always a few "geniuses" who go against the flow and they are buying when they should be selling, and that destroying everyone's earnings...

We can't blame them for that. We are geniuses in our own paths and ways. If that's what they've done and this is the first time they encounter this bull run, that's understadable. But if you've been sitting here for years and you still do that mistake, it's your mistake to correct and that's still not a shameful thing because no one can easily win against this market but base on your experience and decision making.

I'm seriously upset because a couple of such  " smart "  people just ruined my chance to make up for a 15k loss... I would like to kick them somewhere!

LOL, just be grateful that you're on the right path doing the right thing instead of making significant loss that others are still trying to recover with.

[paid2]

I'm seriously upset because a couple of such  " smart "  people just ruined my chance to make up for a 15k loss... I would like to kick them somewhere!

Wow.... You should -for now at least-, consider to read a little bit more and to invest a little bit less perhaps...

[vapourminer]

When I see that the price is flying down steeply, I sell everything and let it fall down. When it stops, then I buy cheap and I have earned...
BTC is going down now, so let it go and buy when it stops. We can all make money from it and then we will again get it up together! Unfortunately, there are always a few "geniuses" who go against the flow and they are buying when they should be selling, and that destroying everyone's earnings...
                               

read this

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=375643.0

[odolvlobo]

When I see that the price is flying down steeply, I sell everything and let it fall down. When it stops, then I buy cheap and I have earned...
...
I'm seriously upset because a couple of such  "smart"  people just ruined my chance to make up for a 15k loss... I would like to kick them somewhere!

How do you have a 15k loss if you sold when it was dropping and then bought it back when it was cheap?

Maybe your magic crystal ball is broken. Rather than complaining about "smart" people, you should blame the real culprit, the magic crystal ball manufacturer, for selling you a faulty product.

[GreatArkansas]

When I see that the price is flying down steeply, I sell everything and let it fall down. When it stops, then I buy cheap and I have earned...
BTC is going down now, so let it go and buy when it stops. We can all make money from it and then we will again get it up together! Unfortunately, there are always a few "geniuses" who go against the flow and they are buying when they should be selling, and that destroying everyone's earnings...
I'm seriously upset because a couple of such  " smart "  people just ruined my chance to make up for a 15k loss... I would like to kick them somewhere!
(.....)

This is easy to say but difficult to execute. If this is how easy to make money then for sure most of us are already rich, but unfortunately, it's not.
The way you say OP looks like you are trading and telling, buy low, sell high. But behind that, you need to struggle knowing when to dump or when to pump.

[BlackBoss_]

When I see that the price is flying down steeply, I sell everything and let it fall down. When it stops, then I buy cheap and I have earned...
BTC is going down now, so let it go and buy when it stops.

It is possible action with Spot market but it is impossible for people who join Margin and Futures trading, they can not proactively sell and most of them got forced liquidations. Price crashes because of forced liquidations from exchanges, not by proactively selling of traders.

We can all make money from it and then we will again get it up together!

True but again it is only possible if you don't use Leverages, don't use Futures for your trading.

If you control risk well, by don't using them, you will be able to cut loss, buy back and get profit from price bounce.

[Patrol69]

How can you be sure that when the price of Bitcoin goes down, this amount can go down and when it goes up, this amount will go up and dump again. If we don't invest we regret that time when the market goes down and then goes up again but when we go down we think the market will go down further so we can't invest at the right time. If it was understood in this way that the market will dump a certain amount and pump again after dumping a certain amount, then no one would ever lose money by investing. Since there is no chance of certainty, we have to invest with some risk and wait for the market to go well. If the market is in a good position, it is definitely possible to earn profit from the investment.

[ancafe]

When I see that the price is flying down steeply, I sell everything and let it fall down. When it stops, then I buy cheap and I have earned...
BTC is going down now, so let it go and buy when it stops. We can all make money from it and then we will again get it up together! Unfortunately, there are always a few "geniuses" who go against the flow and they are buying when they should be selling, and that destroying everyone's earnings...

Basically it is not a problem when people try to buy bitcoin at any price, but it becomes a problem when you have small capital available but try to accumulate purchases at a high price. This is talking about middle to upper class investors or those who are just starting out investing because if big investors buy at any price it doesn't get them into big trouble.

Another mistake is trying to sell during a price reduction and this is caused by panic due to not having complete knowledge of Bitcoin's journey. That's why anyone needs knowledge before investing because if they take the wrong action it will result in big losses.

I'm seriously upset because a couple of such  " smart "  people just ruined my chance to make up for a 15k loss... I would like to kick them somewhere!

That means you are also not confident in your own abilities and you should have your own analysis without having to consider other people's opinions too much. Each person must have their own analytical skills before making a decision and if you depend on other people then you accept the risk as now.

[Smack That Ace]

When I see that the price is flying down steeply, I sell everything and let it fall down. When it stops, then I buy cheap and I have earned...
BTC is going down now, so let it go and buy when it stops.

It is possible action with Spot market but it is impossible for people who join Margin and Futures trading, they can not proactively sell and most of them got forced liquidations. Price crashes because of forced liquidations from exchanges, not by proactively selling of traders.

But I want to ask how do we know when the market will fall and will it continue to fall or will it then bounce back? If we are talking about holding then the best way is DCA, don't use spot with the intention of trying to buy low and sell high to increase the number of coins held. In my opinion, if you decide to become a holder, you should only use DCA and sell when the price reaches the target.
In my opinion, if you decide to become a holder, you should only use DCA and sell when the price reaches the target, don't try to be better than the market makers.

Like what is happening, bitcoin is falling in price after surpassing its old ATH of 69k$ and is trading at 62k$. So can someone tell me whether bitcoin will increase or decrease in the coming days?

We can all make money from it and then we will again get it up together!

True but again it is only possible if you don't use Leverages, don't use Futures for your trading.

If you control risk well, by don't using them, you will be able to cut loss, buy back and get profit from price bounce.

I consider bitcoin a financial market so I will not agree that there will be a situation where everyone can win because money does not create itself, it moves from the hands of the weak to the strong, from greedy fools to those who smart. Only the strong can make money in this market.

[Hewlet]

When I see that the price is flying down steeply, I sell everything and let it fall down. When it stops, then I buy cheap and I have earned...
BTC is going down now, so let it go and buy when it stops. We can all make money from it and then we will again get it up together! Unfortunately, there are always a few "geniuses" who go against the flow and they are buying when they should be selling, and that destroying everyone's earnings...
I'm seriously upset because a couple of such  " smart "  people just ruined my chance to make up for a 15k loss... I would like to kick them somewhere!
                                   

don't you think that you are making things look too complex that normally shouldn't be complex? Over studying the market to find a perfect entry and selling point would give you restlessness and losses in the long run.

Why not buy when the market is at it DIP and HODL till it gets bullish to a convenient selling point were you can decide to sell it or not? I know sometimes you might not have all the resources necessary to to go into long term holding but over relying on predictions seems like gambling to me and I guess this is the reason why you're facing issues with your speculation not coming out as planned.

[kotajikikox]

When I see that the price is flying down steeply, I sell everything and let it fall down. When it stops, then I buy cheap and I have earned...
BTC is going down now, so let it go and buy when it stops. We can all make money from it and then we will again get it up together! Unfortunately, there are always a few "geniuses" who go against the flow and they are buying when they should be selling, and that destroying everyone's earnings...
I'm seriously upset because a couple of such  " smart "  people just ruined my chance to make up for a 15k loss... I would like to kick them somewhere!
                                   

you should know that you must lose so those who you call smarts will earn and that is the cycle of market and also you must know that this is investment and there is no complete uptrend here , if you want to earn better then you must HODL and don't expect an easy money here .

I'm seriously upset because a couple of such  " smart "  people just ruined my chance to make up for a 15k loss... I would like to kick them somewhere!

Wow.... You should -for now at least-, consider to read a little bit more and to invest a little bit less perhaps...

maybe now he learned His lesson and will study market first before dealing with.

[Sebas.tian]

Don't forget that traders have different strategy they are using to earn income from the market, but if your strategy is not favouring you at the moment, you have the right to switch to the favourable strategy that will be bringing income to you when you trade your Bitcoin. It will be better if you can settle down to understand professional traders in the market very well, so that you can learn some new things from them that will make you a good trader that will know when to purchase Bitcoin to make a huge amount of income in the future. If you are waiting for bearish seasons, I think you can experience that next year because the bullish season will pump through out this year but you can use next year to purchase coins any amount you want and hold.

[bettercrypto]

When I see that the price is flying down steeply, I sell everything and let it fall down. When it stops, then I buy cheap and I have earned...
BTC is going down now, so let it go and buy when it stops. We can all make money from it and then we will again get it up together! Unfortunately, there are always a few "geniuses" who go against the flow and they are buying when they should be selling, and that destroying everyone's earnings...
I'm seriously upset because a couple of such  " smart "  people just ruined my chance to make up for a 15k loss... I would like to kick them somewhere!
                                   

If the price of bitcoin goes down right now, it is because there is a correction or retracement that is happening; no one really knows how far the correction will be shown in the market. And there is a difference in how long or short positions traders will take.

This is the scenario where traders should be sensitive to the movement of the value of the coin they are trading, or else they might be left behind and unable to keep up or follow. And there are still many communities that, when the price goes down, buy it because it's expensive. You know what it means.

[Faisal2202]

BTC is going down now, so let it go and buy when it stops. We can all make money from it and then we will again get it up together! Unfortunately, there are always a few "geniuses" who go against the flow and they are buying when they should be selling, and that destroying everyone's earnings...
I'm seriously upset because a couple of such  " smart "  people just ruined my chance to make up for a 15k loss... I would like to kick them somewhere!

Unfortunately, you can't kick anyone, because you don't know who is selling or buying at the wrong time, due to anonymity and privacy concerns I hope you already know that  And there could be many reasons for those smart people to not to sell at the time of selling and buying at that time, which according to your POV is the opposite. Well, what I am trying to say here is that they might be buying just to hold for a longer period of time.

And they don't care about the current price of BTC. Their plans are to hold it for another year and book profits when BTC makes a new ATH, of around $150k or less. I suggest you to control your emotions because it is not necessary that the way you see market, every other person should see. Every one have their own POVs and ideas about market and they do analysis accordingly. I suggest you to not blame other for your loss. Instaed try to be extra smart and a step ahead of these smart people in order to make profit (next time).

[traderethereum]

Well, that's exactly what people who don't do analysis do when they want to trade. They tend to keep waiting for a higher price before they sell.
But what they want will not always come true because the market will move anywhere without them knowing. If they can't know when they should buy and sell, they will have difficulty making a profit and it will only make them sell at a loss.
The best advice is not to be too greedy in taking profits. You can sell and take the profits if you see bigger profits. We must be wise in responding to what is happening in the market so that we adapt well.

[Hamphser]

You have to understand that you're winning because someone is losing on the other end of this world. This is the market and we're all involved in this. And you can dictate what people will do, if they feel that they should buy at the peak, they'd do that. Before, there have been many that did that mistake and even til' now and on the next cycles, there will still be people that would do that. So, if you don't understand them, just mind your thing and keep repeating what you've been doing profitably.

This is right and you should really be having those kind of realizations at least on how this market works. We do know that whenever we do make money or profits then there are those people who had lost
up their money on the other side and just be grateful that you did make out such good decision on which it did really result into profits. Dont mind about other people about on how they do make out such approach towards the market on where they would really be doing the opposite on what are the things that supposed to be approached. If it turns out that they are doing the opposite then just let them be.

Selling when prices get that correction or decrease and buying up when that green candle stood strong. Then this is really be a very basic human being approach and behavior.
They would really be doing such things because we do know that each one of us does have that kind of mindset and approach on things.

[TheUltraElite]

Best you can kick is your own computer and that is a poor thing to kick because you would need to buy a new one.

I say dont give any attention to the ones who buy at the top, there will be some people who do this and then complain through out the entire bear market cycle and probably exit at a loss, calling crypto a scam. Its a common notion and you cannot cure this "disease" on your own even by your "Board-certified Kicks"

Rather sell at the top and hold your fiat to see what happens next. It is a one man army here, your gain is going to another person's loss.

[o48o]

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Unfortunately, there are always a few "geniuses" who go against the flow and they are buying when they should be selling, and that destroying everyone's earnings...
I'm seriously upset because a couple of such  " smart "  people just ruined my chance to make up for a 15k loss... I would like to kick them somewhere!

I am not sure if you are trolling or not. But in case you are not joking. If you are upset because people make market go to another direction, trading might not be for you. I find it weird that at least once in a month i see a comment from these "genius" traders telling us that if everyone just so what they said, we would all be rich. Like it would be others fault that they are losing money. Usually it's about price going down though.

I understand it's frustrating to lose money, but other people didn't ruin your change, you did participate to free markets and it's your money, so accept some responsibility of your actions. Otherwise you'll never learn from setbacks, because they will never be your fault. Also you are in writing to trading section and shorting is part of trading.

In case you were joking; Poe's law makes it sure that i am not getting the irony.

[Cookdata]

When I see that the price is flying down steeply, I sell everything and let it fall down. When it stops, then I buy cheap and I have earned...
BTC is going down now, so let it go and buy when it stops. We can all make money from it and then we will again get it up together! Unfortunately, there are always a few "geniuses" who go against the flow and they are buying when they should be selling, and that destroying everyone's earnings...
I'm seriously upset because a couple of such  " smart "  people just ruined my chance to make up for a 15k loss... I would like to kick them somewhere!

Do you know one thing about the crypto market, it doesn't give a damn about your emotions, it doesn't care if you missed out or you are trying to buy at the market. You called it the smart people and that's the more reason why they call their money the smart money, they risk all they have to make the market liquid but it has to be on their own way, they make the market moves on their own terms and that's why they are call the whales because they control the market.

What you should do is to make sure to follow what other smart money people are doing, follow their footsteps and make money their own way. But make sure that you are using stop loss, nothing ever go against stop loss if you used it wisely. If you do that way, you will make a lot of money from this market and perhaps the money you are trying to make back will be easier but I will advice you not to chase loses.

[target]

It looks like you know what you are doing so how come you lost your chance to make 15K during BTC price dip?
Sometimes you just don't know when exactly to buy back, it doesn't even dip into its oversold indicator but the price bounces again. To me, there isn't a real signal to see this coming. I also waited if it's going to stay at $60k for like a day but it's just a quick dip.

All I can think is that institutions are buying up BTC in the spot market and then shorting on the futures market to which, whichever the price goes, they make money.

[Dzwaafu11]

When I see that the price is flying down steeply, I sell everything and let it fall down. When it stops, then I buy cheap and I have earned...
BTC is going down now, so let it go and buy when it stops. We can all make money from it and then we will again get it up together! Unfortunately, there are always a few "geniuses" who go against the flow and they are buying when they should be selling, and that destroying everyone's earnings...

I think you are combining two things here. And I think you know how the market is going,  Did you mean that when the price is going down, people should sell their other coins and buy more altcoins? Or did you mean that when the BTC price is going down, people should buy more? Because I can see the way you said, I think you combined it, and it doesn’t really make sense to me, although if that is what you mean that when the bitcoin price is going down, people should buy more bitcoin? I can say that it is a nice idea if someone sticks to that method since everyone is looking for a way to make more profit. 

I'm seriously upset because a couple of such  " smart "  people just ruined my chance to make up for a 15k loss... I would like to kick them somewhere!

You don’t have to do that, man. Before you enter the market, the risk is clearly stated, and that’s why they advise you to do what will favour them, so I think you should find a way to do what will favour them, and again, maybe you invested a huge amount of money that you cannot afford to lose. If not, you won’t panic. I think next time you will invest and stick to your target, so when the price reaches there, you will sell your investment.

[Uhwuchukwu53]

The early you know that it must not go exactly the way you expect it as your not totally in full control no matter the strategy you employed better for you, because everyone work at according to how it may suit and favor them.

Trading required you take always calculate in second be it keeps your emotions very high, your earning is already a loss to another who may also take another step to regain.

This inconsistent move make it more interesting for me one don't need feel upset because you need make up mind to take any outcome and set realizable target as the trade is moving.

[South Park]

When I see that the price is flying down steeply, I sell everything and let it fall down. When it stops, then I buy cheap and I have earned...
BTC is going down now, so let it go and buy when it stops. We can all make money from it and then we will again get it up together! Unfortunately, there are always a few "geniuses" who go against the flow and they are buying when they should be selling, and that destroying everyone's earnings...
I'm seriously upset because a couple of such  " smart "  people just ruined my chance to make up for a 15k loss... I would like to kick them somewhere!
                                   

If they are making money and you are not, if they predicted what the market could do correctly and you did not then I do not see why you are being sarcastic about them, since they took the right decision and you failed at this, never forget, the markets are never wrong, if you make a prediction and the prediction fails to happen, this did not happen because you did everything right and someone just interfered to make your prediction to not fulfill itself, you simply made a wrong call and that is it.

[batang_bitcoin]

You have to understand that you're winning because someone is losing on the other end of this world. This is the market and we're all involved in this. And you can dictate what people will do, if they feel that they should buy at the peak, they'd do that. Before, there have been many that did that mistake and even til' now and on the next cycles, there will still be people that would do that. So, if you don't understand them, just mind your thing and keep repeating what you've been doing profitably.

This is right and you should really be having those kind of realizations at least on how this market works. We do know that whenever we do make money or profits then there are those people who had lost
up their money on the other side and just be grateful that you did make out such good decision on which it did really result into profits. Dont mind about other people about on how they do make out such approach towards the market on where they would really be doing the opposite on what are the things that supposed to be approached. If it turns out that they are doing the opposite then just let them be.

Selling when prices get that correction or decrease and buying up when that green candle stood strong. Then this is really be a very basic human being approach and behavior.
They would really be doing such things because we do know that each one of us does have that kind of mindset and approach on things.

Yeah, that's it. If they're doing the opposite thing, we can't do anything with that but let them do what they think is right. What we can do is to control over all our things and decisions that we're doing on this market because no one is there to correct us from our doings and it's so much better to think of these matters as if we're always new to the market so that we keep on learning. But upon learning those things, we need to apply that when it's our turn to sell and buy. You can always give tips to the others but make sure that you apply that tip to yourself first.

[Hamza2424]

Haha, I don't get what type of rocket science the OP had discovered in which on the dips he's making money and others are not, I'm sure he's trying to mention categories of people but he hasn't provided any context to them, Anyway, everyone buys in the cheap which is sticking to the market from a decent time, those newbies make a mistake and its good for them to make mistakes and learn from it.

In such a volatile market there are always some sort of short-term opportunities and those who avail them are the pro ones. In the market, you need to behave like a bot, have no emotions while dealing with the positions, and make sure to take a good rest from the market because watching the charts all the time is not good at all.

[Finestream]

You have to understand that you're winning because someone is losing on the other end of this world. This is the market and we're all involved in this. And you can dictate what people will do, if they feel that they should buy at the peak, they'd do that. Before, there have been many that did that mistake and even til' now and on the next cycles, there will still be people that would do that. So, if you don't understand them, just mind your thing and keep repeating what you've been doing profitably.

You can’t control how every person would react to a certain price. And regardless of its price, as long as their intention is to buy and hold bitcoin, even if bitcoin price is very high, then that would not be a big problem after all. Just focus on your own investment and how would you make it profit from the current price. If you think it’s the best time to sell because you are already facing bigger profits, then sell. But if you think there’s a better price coming, then just wait and hold your coins.

[shinratensei_]

you're probably talking about recent dips that successfully causes liquidation amounting to million of dollars of people that shorted when they see some slightly sharp dipping and you're mad about it or am i wrong?
the thing with the trend is that if the trend is bullish it leans more towards recovery.

on the other hand if the trend is bearish of course it will lean more towards dipping further you can't expect basic principle to work with the ever changing dynamic of future trading if you ever into future or at least spot trading here.
things changes dynamically by the minutes and thats honestly to be expected.

I mean if you know that the market sentiment is greed and the price of bitcoin is falling you could always be sure that its gonna be recovering in no time.
so many people actually waited such dip and ready to bag some even got their money in exchange just in case.

[Kelward]

When I see that the price is flying down steeply, I sell everything and let it fall down. When it stops, then I buy cheap and I have earned...
BTC is going down now, so let it go and buy when it stops. We can all make money from it and then we will again get it up together! Unfortunately, there are always a few "geniuses" who go against the flow and they are buying when they should be selling, and that destroying everyone's earnings...
I'm seriously upset because a couple of such  " smart "  people just ruined my chance to make up for a 15k loss... I would like to kick them somewhere!
                                   

You've simplified your strategy, buy when price dips and sale when it pumps to your expected target, it think it's a great strategy so stick with it and don't worry so much about the decisions of others, remember it's their money and they can choose when to sale and buy, just like you. We all have different perspectives on how we predict the outcome of Bitcoin price, sometimes you want to wait for price to dip lower before selling, and you'd be surprised that the opposite will happen and price will start to pump, so you can't blame anybody for making a decision that'll not benefit you, because they made that decision to favor them. The summary is that crypto price is volatile, so we can only predict and the market determines actual price.

[shield132]

When I see that the price is flying down steeply, I sell everything and let it fall down. When it stops, then I buy cheap and I have earned...
BTC is going down now, so let it go and buy when it stops. We can all make money from it and then we will again get it up together! Unfortunately, there are always a few "geniuses" who go against the flow and they are buying when they should be selling, and that destroying everyone's earnings...
I'm seriously upset because a couple of such  " smart "  people just ruined my chance to make up for a 15k loss... I would like to kick them somewhere!
                                   

When you sell, you profit because someone buys. When you sell Bitcoin for 69K USD, someone buys it for 69K USD, otherwise you wouldn't be able to sell for this price. We can't have two winners, there is only one winner and one loser. There are many people who hesitate to buy Bitcoin during the bull run because many people call it a scam coin, then they see how it's going up and up, they still hesitate to buy and finally, all these people who were hesitating before, experience severe FOMO and buy when price is at it's all-time high. That's how it works, I expect the same because people never learn on their mistakes. Btw to be fair, it's not bad when they buy it at ATH, if they can hold it for years, then it means nothing because bitcoin will have another ATH after the next halving and long-term these people won't be in loss.

[TheUltraElite]

You can’t control how every person would react to a certain price. And regardless of its price, as long as their intention is to buy and hold bitcoin, even if bitcoin price is very high, then that would not be a big problem after all. Just focus on your own investment and how would you make it profit from the current price. If you think it’s the best time to sell because you are already facing bigger profits, then sell. But if you think there’s a better price coming, then just wait and hold your coins.

We should all focus on our own investment rather than what others are doing. The only problem is what people around us in the market are doing might force us to withhold our orders. But in most cases I think we can ignore that and not think about "kicking anybody" and run our own strategy for the long run.

Its important to keep patience in this market and during times of up and down are definitely going to be tested for our skills to hold and seize the opportunity.

If prices have gone beyond your buying level, just wait it out because they will drop in the future.

[lovesmayfamilis]

The OP comes to the forum once every three months to tell us how stupid everyone is here. OP, everything may seem simple in theory, but is it true that you know the exact dates of fall and rise for buying and selling?
Your theory would be good, but until you try it, you won't know that you can't predict the market. In addition, you need to be calm when observing price movements; impulsive actions that indicate that you know better what will happen next often lead to mistakes.

[moneystery]

why are you angry at people who actually have nothing to do with you? you can't say to investors that "hey guys, stop buying, i wanted to buy that bitcoin at a lower price and the price increase bothers me" you can't because of who you are tell people to do what they want to do.

so stop complaining about what people are doing and just focus on your investment, because if you feel smarter than most people, it shouldn't be difficult for you to make a profit from the current bitcoin price.

[adpinbr]

To my  Understand on what you are trying to explain, it is just a simple analysis you do you buy and when deep in price you sell and you make profit that is just a simple analysis that almost 60 to 70% of bitcoin holders do. You just have to understand that as you lose or gain it is also affecting someone else in the other hand. Which ever way that you are doing to make money on trading bitcoin is good for you Is everyone intention of buying bitcoin is either to make money or to use for a personal transactions.

[Adams0001]

BTC is going down now, so let it go and buy when it stops. We can all make money from it and then we will again get it up together! Unfortunately, there are always a few "geniuses" who go against the flow and they are buying when they should be selling, and that destroying everyone's earnings...
I'm seriously upset because a couple of such  " smart "  people just ruined my chance to make up for a 15k loss... I would like to kick them somewhere!

Unfortunately, you can't kick anyone, because you don't know who is selling or buying at the wrong time, due to anonymity and privacy concerns I hope you already know that  And there could be many reasons for those smart people to not to sell at the time of selling and buying at that time, which according to your POV is the opposite. Well, what I am trying to say here is that they might be buying just to hold for a longer period of time.

And they don't care about the current price of BTC. Their plans are to hold it for another year and book profits when BTC makes a new ATH, of around $150k or less. I suggest you to control your emotions because it is not necessary that the way you see market, every other person should see. Every one have their own POVs and ideas about market and they do analysis accordingly. I suggest you to not blame other for your loss. Instaed try to be extra smart and a step ahead of these smart people in order to make profit (next time).

Sure, many people don't care about the prices involved, they just want to invest for the long term to make a profit and I think that is a good strategy, because sometimes when you see the prices of bitcoin increasing you will be thinking when ever you invest on it, the prices will probably decrease and you will lose your funds, but when you make up your mind that your investment is for the long term and whatever happens, you will just sell your coin and leave it for long term thing he reach your specific time before you can sell the coin.

Anyone who is blaming people for their losses is not smart enough, which is why they are losing. Since you have identified and know how to do it, it is better for you to make your own research without depending on anyone, because not everything they need to be telling you on trading or investment is you that will get up and make your own research and how you are trading, that is how you will be getting more experience without telling you anything. When you blame others for your losses, it shows you either trust them to assist you trade or you do not want to make your own decisions.

[dunfida]

why are you angry at people who actually have nothing to do with you? you can't say to investors that "hey guys, stop buying, i wanted to buy that bitcoin at a lower price and the price increase bothers me" you can't because of who you are tell people to do what they want to do.

so stop complaining about what people are doing and just focus on your investment, because if you feel smarter than most people, it shouldn't be difficult for you to make a profit from the current bitcoin price.

And you should really be thinking off that this is a market on which it do really looks like a tug-of-war on which it would really be that something that a battle in between buyers and sellers. If there are people who do make
money then there are people who do loses up on the other side on which it would really be just that normal to those who do make money are the wiser ones and its true that not all would really be sharing up on the same idea on what people do have in mind because we do have that different analysis when it comes to price movement. It might sound that so easy on having that buy low sell high kind of principle but doing it on the actual
situation is the most hardest thing and if OP did find out this to be easy then its good for him since not all traders would really be having on the same condition.

This is why on the moment that you are really that making money then it would really be always best that you should really know on what you are doing. Just be grateful that you are doing well
into this volatile market or something which is really that speculative.

[Issa56]

When I see that the price is flying down steeply, I sell everything and let it fall down. When it stops, then I buy cheap and I have earned...

If it’s so easy, just the way you said it, then everyone will be rich by just trading. What you just said is the basics of trading, and that’s what people are supposed to be doing, but where everything gets compromised is that you can never know how low or high bitcoin will go at a particular time. You might end up buying bitcoin thinking the price is low already, but after buying bitcoin, it will keep on dumping, and most people will end up selling it back just because they panic and they will already be at lost. So if you can’t do your analysis well, then you will have problems because you won’t know when to buy or when to sell, you might be buying at the wrong time and selling at the wrong time.

[batang_bitcoin]

You have to understand that you're winning because someone is losing on the other end of this world. This is the market and we're all involved in this. And you can dictate what people will do, if they feel that they should buy at the peak, they'd do that. Before, there have been many that did that mistake and even til' now and on the next cycles, there will still be people that would do that. So, if you don't understand them, just mind your thing and keep repeating what you've been doing profitably.

You can’t control how every person would react to a certain price. And regardless of its price, as long as their intention is to buy and hold bitcoin, even if bitcoin price is very high, then that would not be a big problem after all. Just focus on your own investment and how would you make it profit from the current price. If you think it’s the best time to sell because you are already facing bigger profits, then sell. But if you think there’s a better price coming, then just wait and hold your coins.

Many are complaining about the price of Bitcoin because they can no longer afford to have it and you're right, no matter what the price of Bitcoin as long as they can afford to buy it then the price wouldn't matter to them. Because there are too many people that look after at the price, doesn't mean that it shouldn't be bought as they think the same that it's quite expensive already. But the thing on this matter is what we like to invest and what we can afford to do so. If we like Bitcoin, no one's gonna stop us from liking it.

[Zoomic]

When I see that the price is flying down steeply, I sell everything and let it fall down. When it stops, then I buy cheap and I have earned...
BTC is going down now, so let it go and buy when it stops. We can all make money from it and then we will again get it up together! Unfortunately, there are always a few "geniuses" who go against the flow and they are buying when they should be selling, and that destroying everyone's earnings...
I'm seriously upset because a couple of such  " smart "  people just ruined my chance to make up for a 15k loss... I would like to kick them somewhere!
                                   

You can definitely not control the market, the fact that the price of bitcoin is so unpredictable is what makes many people rush to buy when they are not supposed to buy and sell when they are not supposed to sell. This is just to avoid missing out on any opportunity available at that moment. More People are investing in Bitcoins on a daily basis and many will buy at what ever price they meet it. As a trader, you should know by now about the Bitcoin price volatility and this is one feature no trader should ignore. Venting your anger on those who are going about their normal business sounds like a joke to me. Put your emotions in check and allow other people do their thing.

[Alpha Marine]

I don't understand what the fuss is about. What and who exactly are you angry about?
Aren't you supposed to be the one following the market? Is the market supposed to follow you? Where you made a loss is where someone else made a profit, so do you expect everyone to not buy or sell when they feel is okay for them for your sake?

Don't beat yourself up about it. All you have to do from your experiences is learn. Whether you made a profit or losses, you have to learn from the experience, and blaming others for your losses wouldn't teach you anything.
You have to sit down and analyze what you did wrong and what you could have done. Nobody predicts the market and gets it 100%, but with the right market analysis, you stand a higher chance of making a profit than losses.

[freedomgo]

The OP comes to the forum once every three months to tell us how stupid everyone is here. OP, everything may seem simple in theory, but is it true that you know the exact dates of fall and rise for buying and selling?
Your theory would be good, but until you try it, you won't know that you can't predict the market. In addition, you need to be calm when observing price movements; impulsive actions that indicate that you know better what will happen next often lead to mistakes.

There’s no one here who can perfectly timing the market. That market is so uncertain and unpredictable that even veteran traders and investors still fail on their investments. Even knowing when to buy and sell makes us struggle sometimes. My point here is not everyone is inclined to crypto even you OP. Know that while you are winning, some are at their loss. So always respect other people’s concepts and decisions, and focus on your own. Focus on your own success and do not mind other people’s strategies.

[jrrsparkles]

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I'm seriously upset because a couple of such  " smart "  people just ruined my chance to make up for a 15k loss... I would like to kick them somewhere!
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Well, I don't really get this part, How could you be making loss of 15K if someone is doing what they aren't supposed to do?

Trading is buying and selling, so when you are selling it means someone is buying for that price so you can't really sell something if no one is actually buying and if that's what you are suggesting as stupidity then the price will eventually goes to zero.

[boty]

The OP comes to the forum once every three months to tell us how stupid everyone is here. OP, everything may seem simple in theory, but is it true that you know the exact dates of fall and rise for buying and selling?
Your theory would be good, but until you try it, you won't know that you can't predict the market. In addition, you need to be calm when observing price movements; impulsive actions that indicate that you know better what will happen next often lead to mistakes.

There’s no one here who can perfectly timing the market. That market is so uncertain and unpredictable that even veteran traders and investors still fail on their investments. Even knowing when to buy and sell makes us struggle sometimes. My point here is not everyone is inclined to crypto even you OP. Know that while you are winning, some are at their loss. So always respect other people’s concepts and decisions, and focus on your own. Focus on your own success and do not mind other people’s strategies.

It is indeed not easy to be able to analyze the market well as you said, even those who have experience still experience failure in the predictions they make, so it is important for us to be able to understand crypto well so as not to be influenced by talk. people when trading and investing and we must continue to learn and update our knowledge about crypto so that we can always invest and trade.

[Julien_Olynpic]

There are many aphorisms that illustrate how irrational the market can be. You see that the market has risen, you sell Bitcoin and expect the price to fall, but... the price continues to rise. Moreover, it can grow for a very long time. And vice versa, the price has fallen and it seems to you that now the price will rise, you buy, but... the price continues to fall. This is a common occurrence in the market. Because mean reversion is not guaranteed in the market. The market can be irrational for a very long time. On the other hand, perhaps it is not the market that is irrational, but simply that you are looking at it incorrectly and have not done enough market research.

[Questat]

Have you imagined OP if all investors are all together buying and holding? That never works in real life because your buy order just filled when someone is selling their Bitcoin. Buy and Sell is what we see in the market, and with the continuous movement of the market(up and down), we have a chance to earn.
Well, I would say, don't mind what other people are doing. Of course, they will sell when they get a good price to sell and invest again. If you think holding more until the next ATH, that was your choice.

We all have the same goal in investing and that is to earn money. You might be seeing people selling their BTC earlier, you can't say it was wrong when they are in profit already.

[justdimin]

When you sell, you profit because someone buys. When you sell Bitcoin for 69K USD, someone buys it for 69K USD, otherwise you wouldn't be able to sell for this price. We can't have two winners, there is only one winner and one loser. There are many people who hesitate to buy Bitcoin during the bull run because many people call it a scam coin, then they see how it's going up and up, they still hesitate to buy and finally, all these people who were hesitating before, experience severe FOMO and buy when price is at it's all-time high. That's how it works, I expect the same because people never learn on their mistakes. Btw to be fair, it's not bad when they buy it at ATH, if they can hold it for years, then it means nothing because bitcoin will have another ATH after the next halving and long-term these people won't be in loss.

Well, in a sense you can buy at 50, sell at 60k, the other person bought at 60 and sold at 69. You both won, you both won about equal amounts as well, you could have won more if you didn't sell, but that doesn't change the fact that you both won. Doesn't really happen all the time, but it is not impossible neither. So you should always look for it to be something like that, you could always make it a better way.

I believe that the best thing to do would be just focusing on how much profit you could make personally. You are not responsible for what others make, and if you can make the best, then you should try to. You should aim at buying at the lowest possible amount, and sell at highest possible amount to make the most profit you can.

[crwth]

Are you talking about whales? I think those are the people who can manage to get the price down and ruin everyone's earnings. That's how much power they have. I don't think that we would be able to foresee what they are going to do and it's going to be hard.

I don't think you understand much how the market works.

[RhayaneKenedey]

Your approach describes a classic trading strategy known as "sell high, buy low," which aims to capitalize on market volatility to generate profits. This strategy requires precise timing and an understanding of market trends, which can be quite challenging even for experienced traders. The nature of the cryptocurrency market, particularly Bitcoin (BTC), is highly volatile and can change direction unexpectedly due to various factors including market sentiment, regulatory news, and macroeconomic trends.

While it's natural to feel frustrated when market movements don't align with your trading strategy, it's important to remember that the cryptocurrency market is decentralized and influenced by the collective actions of all participants. Each trader or investor has their strategy based on their risk tolerance, market outlook, and investment goals. Some may buy during downturns with a long-term perspective, while others might sell to cut losses or take profits.

[LogitechMouse]

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I'm seriously upset because a couple of such  " smart "  people just ruined my chance to make up loss... I would like to kick them somewhere!
                                  

Easy to say, but difficult to implement.
Trust me, it's easy to say "I will buy it at the bottom" but the truth is, you don't know when it make a reversal.

Are you upset with those smart people? Why not be one of them instead so you can make the most profit like what they're doing? Kicking them for what? Because they're smart enough to gain profit while you OP, are losing your money. That's how life is. Some will go up, and some will go down. What's worse is that there are people out there who criticize other people because of what they're doing. I didn't know that being "smart" was a bad thing already. You can say like "I'll buy when it stops going down." but do you know when it will stop going down?

Just focus on yourself OP instead of criticizing these "smart" people that you're saying. Instead of focusing on criticizing on them, focus on being one of them.

[Volimack]

Buying and selling bitcoins is everyone's own decision and I don't see any impact on other investors. Research the market according to your experience you can learn something good your investment decision will be better you can easily avoid losses. Looking at the price of bitcoin in the market you can see how much it has pumped. Keep it long term investment and there will be no disturbing effects if the price increases you will get a lot of profit.

[Kelvinid]

When I see that the price is flying down steeply, I sell everything and let it fall down. When it stops, then I buy cheap and I have earned...
BTC is going down now, so let it go and buy when it stops. We can all make money from it and then we will again get it up together!

You are making it right and profiting. Buy low and Sell High --that is how it works in investing. That is easy to understand unless we dare not to listen.
If all people are doing this, none of us are suffering losses and all will be rich but yes, we can't make them all do the same.

Unfortunately, there are always a few "geniuses" who go against the flow and they are buying when they should be selling, and that destroying everyone's earnings...
I'm seriously upset because a couple of such  " smart "  people just ruined my chance to make up loss... I would like to kick them somewhere!
                                  

That is an example of a person who thought that doing it in the right way was a big mistake, so change it and do the opposite.
Well, don't bother yourself seeing them and we have to accept the fact that not all are able to understand the situation and keep strong because many are weak and easily give up upon seeing their portfolio decrease.
 

[MFahad]

why are you angry at people who actually have nothing to do with you? you can't say to investors that "hey guys, stop buying, i wanted to buy that bitcoin at a lower price and the price increase bothers me" you can't because of who you are tell people to do what they want to do.

so stop complaining about what people are doing and just focus on your investment, because if you feel smarter than most people, it shouldn't be difficult for you to make a profit from the current bitcoin price.

If someone is smart enough to understand what would happen if people do a certain thing, they should be able to time the market in a much better way than those people, so if OP thinks others are crazy and out of their minds then he should observe their actions and then plan his actions accordingly to stay on the positive side while others would stay on the negative side at the end of the day.
However, that isn't the case, OP isn't an expert himself and he probably has no idea about the market and how different cryptocurrencies move, he is just generalizing things and reaching conclusions on his own without having any solid point in his claims.

[m2017]

When I see that the price is flying down steeply, I sell everything and let it fall down. When it stops, then I buy cheap and I have earned...

And you turn out to be one hell of a knowledgeable trading guru.

BTC is going down now, so let it go and buy when it stops.

Where did you see the BTC's fall?

We can all make money from it and then we will again get it up together!

If everyone could make money on this, then the money would have to come out of thin air.

In the cryptomarket, as in any zero-sum game, it is impossible for everyone to be in profit.

Unfortunately, there are always a few "geniuses" who go against the flow and they are buying when they should be selling, and that destroying everyone's earnings...

So is this everyone’s earnings or just your personal one?

Here everyone plays according to their own rules and for the sake of personal gain, and not everyone’s/yours.

I'm seriously upset because a couple of such  " smart "  people just ruined my chance to make up loss... I would like to kick them somewhere!                            

Welcome to the real world of trading.

[snowpega]

When I see that the price is flying down steeply, I sell everything and let it fall down. When it stops, then I buy cheap and I have earned...
BTC is going down now, so let it go and buy when it stops. We can all make money from it and then we will again get it up together! Unfortunately, there are always a few "geniuses" who go against the flow and they are buying when they should be selling, and that destroying everyone's earnings...
I'm seriously upset because a couple of such  " smart "  people just ruined my chance to make up loss... I would like to kick them somewhere!                   

I hope that you are not kidding like dear are you serious? how confident you are here like saying that you made lose due to smart and some genius people. Dude this is crypto space and things never work as you want sometimes market makes unwanted, undesired, unexpected moves and even traps a lot of traders and after reading your post I have a kind of idea about you... you are doing future trading with leverage? am I right? if so you are talking risk at your own end and do not put it on others like that. In my opinion, future trading has a high risk to our funds.

On the other hand, spot trading has less risk to our funds but risk is involved in both types of trading. Dear, in my opinion, one who has insufficient knowledge about the market sentiments or trends for him/her trading is just like gambling. So before starting trading, it will always be recommended that you should gain sufficient knowledge so that your risk can be reduced over your funds.

[Abu-Naim]

When I see that the price is flying down steeply, I sell everything and let it fall down. When it stops, then I buy cheap and I have earned...
BTC is going down now, so let it go and buy when it stops. We can all make money from it and then we will again get it up together! Unfortunately, there are always a few "geniuses" who go against the flow and they are buying when they should be selling, and that destroying everyone's earnings...
I'm seriously upset because a couple of such  " smart "  people just ruined my chance to make up loss... I would like to kick them somewhere!
    

Why going through all this stress where you can buy and hold your Bitcoin without stress.

Selling when the price is about to go down and buying when the price is down is another work on its own, you can miss out if you are busy and you can buy or sell at the wrong time.

Instead of doing all these, you can learn crypto trading and be benefiting from it if you can’t hold for long.

[Marvelman]

I'm seriously upset because a couple of such  " smart "  people just ruined my chance to make up loss... I would like to kick them somewhere!

So you are upset because a few "smart" people ruined your idea and your chances to make up for what you lost because of your "stupid" idea. Or is it the other way around? A few "stupid" people ruined your "smart" idea. Or is it... I'm lost here.

Anyway, it seems like that wasn't your brightest idea, and neither was this topic.

[JayTrain]

It’s not always possible to buy an asset at the right moment, you think it’s so easy... in reality it’s hard. I would even say that most beginners do exactly as you describe. I believe you can never understand where the market is going and the ideal entry point. And if you manage to earn money, then this is of course your merit, apparently your experience is very good.

[Russlenat]

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I'm seriously upset because a couple of such  " smart "  people just ruined my chance to make up loss... I would like to kick them somewhere!
                                  

Easy to say, but difficult to implement.
Trust me, it's easy to say "I will buy it at the bottom" but the truth is, you don't know when it make a reversal.

Are you upset with those smart people? Why not be one of them instead so you can make the most profit like what they're doing? Kicking them for what? Because they're smart enough to gain profit while you OP, are losing your money. That's how life is. Some will go up, and some will go down. What's worse is that there are people out there who criticize other people because of what they're doing. I didn't know that being "smart" was a bad thing already. You can say like "I'll buy when it stops going down." but do you know when it will stop going down?

Just focus on yourself OP instead of criticizing these "smart" people that you're saying. Instead of focusing on criticizing on them, focus on being one of them.

Well said mate. They say if you can’t beat them, then be one of them. I guess that will help you OP to analyze that not all in the market follow a certain rule. Sometimes we tend to break rules in order to save ourselves from losing our future profits. If you want to stick to your own rule OP, then just follow what you want and never leave negative comments to other people. Remember that what may work for you will not work for them, that’s why never expect that everyone in the market will follow the same path. Where they think they can be successful, that’s where they’ll focus on doing.

[mirakal]

why are you angry at people who actually have nothing to do with you? you can't say to investors that "hey guys, stop buying, i wanted to buy that bitcoin at a lower price and the price increase bothers me" you can't because of who you are tell people to do what they want to do.

so stop complaining about what people are doing and just focus on your investment, because if you feel smarter than most people, it shouldn't be difficult for you to make a profit from the current bitcoin price.

If someone is smart enough to understand what would happen if people do a certain thing, they should be able to time the market in a much better way than those people, so if OP thinks others are crazy and out of their minds then he should observe their actions and then plan his actions accordingly to stay on the positive side while others would stay on the negative side at the end of the day.
However, that isn't the case, OP isn't an expert himself and he probably has no idea about the market and how different cryptocurrencies move, he is just generalizing things and reaching conclusions on his own without having any solid point in his claims.

Reality is OP does not have much experiences in the market because if he is really a well-experienced one, he will understand that not all people in the market follow the same process or action. Probably he is only basing his analysis from his readings and observations in the market. But we all know that not everything written in the books are working in the real market. There is more to what we can experience in the real market.

However, what OP thinks at this moment might probably change in the future once he’s well experienced and skillful enough. We don’t have to criticize him as well as everyone may commits mistakes at first, but eventually learn from all his mistakes in the end.

[synchronym]

When I see that the price is flying down steeply, I sell everything and let it fall down. When it stops, then I buy cheap and I have earned...
BTC is going down now, so let it go and buy when it stops. We can all make money from it and then we will again get it up together! Unfortunately, there are always a few "geniuses" who go against the flow and they are buying when they should be selling, and that destroying everyone's earnings...
I'm seriously upset because a couple of such  " smart "  people just ruined my chance to make up loss... I would like to kick them somewhere!
                                  

The current bitcoin market is above 68k they bought bitcoin around December 2023 they have profited greatly. Day by day BTC price is increasing now if we buy BTC I don't know how much profit we can get but if we could buy BTC when it was 40k then surely we could get a lot of profit by buying BTC. Of course, our patience is very important in Bitcoin investment, many times many big investors lose patience, if we can invest patiently, we will definitely get a lot of success with Bitcoin. Of course, we need to have a long-term plan when investing in Bitcoin. If we invest patiently after checking the market, we will definitely get success by investing bitcoin.

[Eternad]

When I see that the price is flying down steeply, I sell everything and let it fall down. When it stops, then I buy cheap and I have earned...
BTC is going down now, so let it go and buy when it stops. We can all make money from it and then we will again get it up together! Unfortunately, there are always a few "geniuses" who go against the flow and they are buying when they should be selling, and that destroying everyone's earnings...
I'm seriously upset because a couple of such  " smart "  people just ruined my chance to make up loss... I would like to kick them somewhere!
                                  

Sounds like someone here left by the moon train of Bitcoin. Your target sell price is not everyone target. We have different speculations on how much will be the price ceiling for Bitcoin price pump so just shut up and wait if you manage to sell early while the price keep pumping since you already ended your chance to earn more.

You can’t force everyone to follow your target price because there will be no trading happening. Think about everyone sell on the same target as yours, do you think that the market will hold for that certain price? Trading is simply just transferring of wealth from people to other people. Not everyone can be in profit on trading so be thankful that there’s still someone buying on time like this to continue the growth of Bitcoin.

[|MINER|]

It is normal for the market to rise and fall.Many people sold and profited when the price of Bitcoin went up a lot.Now that the price of BTC is going down, it is natural that everyone will buy again i.e. invest and resell in Bitcoin.But those who cannot accept this normality have to face their own problems as well as others and losses. But there is nothing to be done about it.  Because people are the key against the current and such people will be everywhere, so it has to be accepted.There is not much loss in business for these kind of people so it is better to ignore them without thinking about them.

[tvplus006]

When I see that the price is flying down steeply, I sell everything and let it fall down. When it stops, then I buy cheap and I have earned...

I can say for sure that this strategy will not always work and at some point, after the price drops and you buy a coin, the price will continue to fall and you will become a holder for many years.

[God bless u]

Hahaha it's very related to I think all of these people are reading the treads because it happens in everyone's life and our mind goes through somewhat same feelings. Actually these geniuses are daily traders that are trading on a daily or hourly basis and they want some small but good profits to come out.

The point to understand here is that there is a difference between a long term trader and a daily trader, they have to strive and look for profits daily in the coins by studying the market and they should get some profits so that they can run their household. I know people who are completely dependent on the trades they open and close daily so it's convenient for one set of people but not for other ones

[2Pizza410000BTC]

When I see that the price is flying down steeply, I sell everything and let it fall down. When it stops, then I buy cheap and I have earned...
BTC is going down now, so let it go and buy when it stops. We can all make money from it and then we will again get it up together! Unfortunately, there are always a few "geniuses" who go against the flow and they are buying when they should be selling, and that destroying everyone's earnings...
I'm seriously upset because a couple of such  " smart "  people just ruined my chance to make up loss... I would like to kick them somewhere!                        

I support your trading strategy. One of the trading strategies is to buy on dips and sell when the market rises. People who can buy on the dip and sell on the rise have a lot of success in trading. I always analyze the market, I wait until the market goes deep, when I see the market goes down, I start trading the market and from there I wait until the market goes above my purchase price and I make some profit. If there is then I sell. I never get too greedy on trading platforms because I have seen that being too greedy means losing on trading platforms. Every trader should be alert especially in this pumping market everyone should be alert at any time the market may be dumping.

[AnonBitCoiner]

It’s not always possible to buy an asset at the right moment, you think it’s so easy... in reality it’s hard. I would even say that most beginners do exactly as you describe. I believe you can never understand where the market is going and the ideal entry point. And if you manage to earn money, then this is of course your merit, apparently your experience is very good.

Finding right moment is not easy and sometimes you wait for right time but when right time arises then you don't have any amount so I think every moment is right if you have money.

One can hardly realize that will market goes pump or dump therefore when you find an opportunity and have money then don't wait more as because of waiting more you can miss out most of beneficial chances.

Understanding about market is not easy so set your target and be patience until you achieved your goals so in such a harsh condition, unpredictable market and with unpredictable coins if one become able to earn money then really he is a genius.

[Faisal2202]

Sure, many people don't care about the prices involved, they just want to invest for the long term to make a profit and I think that is a good strategy, because sometimes when you see the prices of bitcoin increasing you will be thinking when ever you invest on it, the prices will probably decrease and you will lose your funds, but when you make up your mind that your investment is for the long term and whatever happens, you will just sell your coin and leave it for long term thing he reach your specific time before you can sell the coin.

I just had the talk on the same topic you are talking about now, I can't agree more with you because if a person has plans to hold BTC for like next 4 to 10 years, or less. Then a proper risk management strategy would be enough to accumulate BTC at whatever price. Because in the end, that person will be in profit. Profit is all we (investors) seek, but it should be worth it. Many people are so enthusiastic about BTC that they don't consider any other token, and they think investing all of the funds in BTC, can make you rich. I don't deny it, but diversification is also one of the main part in risk management.

Anyone who is blaming people for their losses is not smart enough, which is why they are losing. Since you have identified and know how to do it, it is better for you to make your own research without depending on anyone,-cut-

You are right, we should DYOR, never blame others, if we start to blame others, then whenever the market dumps I should blame the sellers because they are the ones who panic and burst sell, which dips the market, so I should blame them. Haha. Why do I blame myself that I should have predicted the market before? I should have done my homework so I could save my funds and make some profit.

[tvplus006]

...Anyone who is blaming people for their losses is not smart enough, which is why they are losing. Since you have identified and know how to do it, it is better for you to make your own research without depending on anyone, because not everything they need to be telling you on trading or investment is you that will get up and make your own research and how you are trading, that is how you will be getting more experience without telling you anything. When you blame others for your losses, it shows you either trust them to assist you trade or you do not want to make your own decisions.

There is no point in looking for someone to blame if you end up being the one to blame. If the wrong decision is made, then you will lose your money, the money of the one whose help you used in making the decision will remain safe.

[jaberwock]

How can you be sure that when the price of Bitcoin goes down, this amount can go down and when it goes up, this amount will go up and dump again. If we don't invest we regret that time when the market goes down and then goes up again but when we go down we think the market will go down further so we can't invest at the right time. If it was understood in this way that the market will dump a certain amount and pump again after dumping a certain amount, then no one would ever lose money by investing. Since there is no chance of certainty, we have to invest with some risk and wait for the market to go well. If the market is in a good position, it is definitely possible to earn profit from the investment.

The price or their movements are totally unpredictable but it doesn't stop the people. They still find a way to predict it either by using their instincts alone or with some analysis because if we somehow got it correctly, we can also benefit with it if we team our predictions with buying or selling.

We can say that the price can continue to go down if the dump is still not yet too deep or too long in duration. For the other one, or when it goes up and fall again, it is when the increase is already high because people are likely going to sell their coins. A fall in price is not regrettable for some but they will actually feel relieved. The real one that makes them regret is if the price rises and they don't buy anything.

[bayu7adi]

Don't think that the wisest decision is yours, you forget that currently many people are trying to be wise in making decisions related to trading in order to survive in the world of trading, and they are. The market mechanism is buying and selling, even if you sell it at (what you think) is the highest price, it will still be bought by other people who may still think your selling price is too low.

Don't feel like you're lucky, as long as there are still many people who don't share their strategies and income from trading.

[AYOBA]

When I see that the price is flying down steeply, I sell everything and let it fall down. When it stops, then I buy cheap and I have earned...
BTC is going down now, so let it go and buy when it stops. We can all make money from it and then we will again get it up together! Unfortunately, there are always a few "geniuses" who go against the flow and they are buying when they should be selling, and that destroying everyone's earnings...
I'm seriously upset because a couple of such  " smart "  people just ruined my chance to make up loss... I would like to kick them somewhere!                              

You shown your ignorance, and from reading your thread, it appears that you are the one who is unable to comprehend since you are completely perplexed by topics you don't know much about. If not, how can someone hold onto a bitcoin for an extended period of time after realizing that it is about to crash, indicating that the cryptocurrency is trying to dump itself? They might sell all of them in a hurry and then return later, hoping that the price will drop and they can buy again and start holding it.

How can you handle it to maximize profits? And that's the reason that most people stumble when it comes to investing—they don't wait to learn specifics, and some of them lack patience—which is also the reason that not everyone succeeds in investing.

[Yamifoud]

You simply don't understand OP because not all have the same thinking and plan as you. People are selling for profit, they just take the chance while is there. So let them do what they want even if it is against your idea because whatever happens to them and their plan, they are the ones who face it, not you. And you don't assume that what they did will also affect you and take your opportunity.

Besides, investing is not just about buying and holding, it is also about selling. Honestly, the market is boring when all of us have the same moves and market approach.

[$weetne$$]

When I see that the price is flying down steeply, I sell everything and let it fall down. When it stops, then I buy cheap and I have earned...
BTC is going down now, so let it go and buy when it stops. We can all make money from it and then we will again get it up together! Unfortunately, there are always a few "geniuses" who go against the flow and they are buying when they should be selling, and that destroying everyone's earnings...
I'm seriously upset because a couple of such  " smart "  people just ruined my chance to make up loss... I would like to kick them somewhere!

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Going against the flow is a smart way to makes you different and when you're different that's when you can have a higher possibility of being successful. You can't be following the crowd and be expecting to be different and making money. The crowd are always going in the wrong direction because that's what majority of the people's are thinking but they all can't make money. You don't make a difference when you think like everyone else. When the market is crashing, that's an opportunities to buy more Bitcoin and not to sell. Selling should be when you're in profits and not when you're losing therefore the next you see the market is dumping, start buying more Bitcoin to hold. Only in situations when you're trading that you should sell your Bitcoin for profits when you're in profits to buy when the market is dipping and not selling in the dumps.

[sulendra12]

I mean it's not just you trading in this market. Other traders at the same time as you would had made same mistakes as you by selling and buying at the wrong time.

That's why you not just relying solely on price. That's why analysis, indicators, strategies exist. You can't just blindly following the hype.

Also if other people success, it doesn't mean that they are a genius. They also did suffer with losses before same as you.

[Lanatsa]

I mean it's not just you trading in this market. Other traders at the same time as you would had made same mistakes as you by selling and buying at the wrong time.

That's why you not just relying solely on price. That's why analysis, indicators, strategies exist. You can't just blindly following the hype.

Also if other people success, it doesn't mean that they are a genius. They also did suffer with losses before same as you.

Or simply trying out to realize that this market isnt supposed to be on the thing that they've been thinking up for it to be that so simple and making those kind of fxed approach that there are certain conditions
on which it is really just that happening on you on which same as you said that each person did really pass through these kind of tough situation and challenges specially on predicting out prices.

This market is really that survival of the fittest on which if you dont find yourself that being wise and be that sensible towards your actions then for sure other traders would really be
just taking advantage of course and we do know that this market is composed of buyers and sellers. Certain fundamentals and other factors could really be able to affect overall price condition.

There would really be those people who would really be ending up on buying while peaking and to those who had been missing out on accumulating more on a dumping market,
but instead they would trying out to pursue the bottom as much as possible.

[South Park]

I mean it's not just you trading in this market. Other traders at the same time as you would had made same mistakes as you by selling and buying at the wrong time.

That's why you not just relying solely on price. That's why analysis, indicators, strategies exist. You can't just blindly following the hype.

Also if other people success, it doesn't mean that they are a genius. They also did suffer with losses before same as you.

It is because of this that in trading knowing how to manage your money is so important as well, no one can win all the time, even the best traders around the world lose and do so often, and since we know we are going to lose several trades, we need to take measures to protect our capital, so those that are trading without taking this factor in consideration and losing a lot of money, have no one else to blame but themselves about the huge losses they suffered.

[hd49728]

It is because of this that in trading knowing how to manage your money is so important as well, no one can win all the time, even the best traders around the world lose and do so often, and since we know we are going to lose several trades, we need to take measures to protect our capital, so those that are trading without taking this factor in consideration and losing a lot of money, have no one else to blame but themselves about the huge losses they suffered.

It's hard to manage your capital, control your greed so if you succeed in investment or trading, let's secure your initial capital first before chasing more winnings and profit.

How?

Withdraw part of your profit to keep your initial capital intact.
Use rest of left money for chasing more winnings and more profit.

[Bobrox]

It's hard to manage your capital, control your greed so if you succeed in investment or trading, let's secure your initial capital first before chasing more winnings and profit.

How?

Withdraw part of your profit to keep your initial capital intact.
Use rest of left money for chasing more winnings and more profit.

Its important thing in trading how to secure our capital by withdrawing half or few percent of our capital and reinvesting with profitable earned, most of trader or investor take profit and compound their investing with their first capital then profitable earn without have any ideas to secure firstly with the capital using for trading.
I think when market get correction still have our capital withdrew and could use to make another deposit or buy back some coins have lower price.

In trading controlling emotion and keep not greedy is difficult but the winner of holder or trader must control it well, if not difficult to earn much profitable in trading due many coins have volatile price day by day.

[Sebas.tian]

I mean it's not just you trading in this market. Other traders at the same time as you would had made same mistakes as you by selling and buying at the wrong time.

That's why you not just relying solely on price. That's why analysis, indicators, strategies exist. You can't just blindly following the hype.

Also if other people success, it doesn't mean that they are a genius. They also did suffer with losses before same as you.

Never you trade in the wrong time, because you will not like what you will achieve from the trading but if you have the knowledge of trading and you succeeded to purchase your Bitcoin in the bearish season, you will have every reason to trade and be successful in the bullish market. The reason why traders always trade their coins during the bullish season is that they have learned from other traders that traded during the bearish market to experienced losses from their trade. As a potential traders you must experience some difficulty season but don't give up, because once your luck appear, you will make a good income that will help you to recover all your losses from the market.

[$weetne$$]

In trading controlling emotion and keep not greedy is difficult but the winner of holder or trader must control it well, if not difficult to earn much profitable in trading due many coins have volatile price day by day.

Cryptocurrency are very volatile currencies therefore there are many opportunities to make profits from trading them, controlling your emotions will make you to make profits from investing or trading cryptocurrency because our emotion are always deceiving us. Don't use your emotion to make decisions because you'll be making the wrong decision most times, because the price of Bitcoin is correcting shouldn't force you to sell but you should keep holding as after the correction. The price of Bitcoin will start rising again and the profits that you'll be making will be twice the profits you would had made if you sold earlier when the price of Bitcoin was falling. When trading, one good advice every trader should have is to never follow others, do your own research and make decisions based on how you analyzed the market.

[Lantind]

Cryptocurrency are very volatile currencies therefore there are many opportunities to make profits from trading them, controlling your emotions will make you to make profits from investing or trading cryptocurrency because our emotion are always deceiving us. Don't use your emotion to make decisions because you'll be making the wrong decision most times, because the price of Bitcoin is correcting shouldn't force you to sell but you should keep holding as after the correction. The price of Bitcoin will start rising again and the profits that you'll be making will be twice the profits you would had made if you sold earlier when the price of Bitcoin was falling. When trading, one good advice every trader should have is to never follow others, do your own research and make decisions based on how you analyzed the market.

Doing trading or investing with emotions is of course very unlikely to be successful in trading or investing, so it is very important for us if we decide to invest or trade to be able to control our emotions so that we don't experience losses in investing or trading. because if we make decisions in an emotional state, of course we will not be able to make profitable decisions on the investments we make and we have to make decisions without emotions so that we can make profitable decisions on the investments we make.

Yes, when trading, of course it would be better if we did our own research before making decisions on the trades we make, because if we follow other people's advice, of course it will be very detrimental if we experience failure in the trades we make and it is very different from the failures that we make. If we do it ourselves, we can still learn so that we can improve it in future trades.

[Maslate]

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I'm seriously upset because a couple of such  " smart "  people just ruined my chance to make up loss... I would like to kick them somewhere!
                                  

Easy to say, but difficult to implement.
Trust me, it's easy to say "I will buy it at the bottom" but the truth is, you don't know when it make a reversal.

Are you upset with those smart people? Why not be one of them instead so you can make the most profit like what they're doing? Kicking them for what? Because they're smart enough to gain profit while you OP, are losing your money. That's how life is. Some will go up, and some will go down. What's worse is that there are people out there who criticize other people because of what they're doing. I didn't know that being "smart" was a bad thing already. You can say like "I'll buy when it stops going down." but do you know when it will stop going down?

Just focus on yourself OP instead of criticizing these "smart" people that you're saying. Instead of focusing on criticizing on them, focus on being one of them.

People will always have different mindset from each other. And you can’t expect people to think same with your thinking. So do what you think is right and spare them. At the end of the day, your success or failure won’t depend on them, it’s always because of your decision making. People win and lose from investing or trading, but if you know a strategy that will keep you winning consistently, then focus on that and let other people stick to their own as well.

[Fatunad]

I mean it's not just you trading in this market. Other traders at the same time as you would had made same mistakes as you by selling and buying at the wrong time.

That's why you not just relying solely on price. That's why analysis, indicators, strategies exist. You can't just blindly following the hype.

Also if other people success, it doesn't mean that they are a genius. They also did suffer with losses before same as you.

Never you trade in the wrong time, because you will not like what you will achieve from the trading but if you have the knowledge of trading and you succeeded to purchase your Bitcoin in the bearish season, you will have every reason to trade and be successful in the bullish market. The reason why traders always trade their coins during the bullish season is that they have learned from other traders that traded during the bearish market to experienced losses from their trade. As a potential traders you must experience some difficulty season but don't give up, because once your luck appear, you will make a good income that will help you to recover all your losses from the market.

It all matters with someones perception and approach on things on which not all would really be that sensible on the things that they are doing on which not all would really be that wary and do the opposite
things on which its something that they wont really be needing to do such thing or really need not needed to do so. Not all people would really be that having that kind of decision making on things because there
are ones who do really do the opposite but instead they would really be that doing the things which arent supposed to be done and would only notice once the price movement do happen or do goes on that way.

[hd49728]

Its important thing in trading how to secure our capital by withdrawing half or few percent of our capital and reinvesting with profitable earned, most of trader or investor take profit and compound their investing with their first capital then profitable earn without have any ideas to secure firstly with the capital using for trading.
I think when market get correction still have our capital withdrew and could use to make another deposit or buy back some coins have lower price.

In trading controlling emotion and keep not greedy is difficult but the winner of holder or trader must control it well, if not difficult to earn much profitable in trading due many coins have volatile price day by day.

In trading or investment, without capital, you have empty hands and have nothing to do with your account and the market.

If you can protect your capital, you can have other chances to get profit. The market is always here and it's only you will be here, with capital to trade or to invest in future or not. Without money, you will have to leave the market even you don't want to do so.

Capital safety first before thinking of trading or investing, profit or loss.

One of best weapons in trading.

[Sorryfor]

A person has complete personal freedom when to invest in Bitcoin. You can give good advice in detail if you want but you can't impose your decision on others And holders or traders when to invest or trade bitcoins depends on their own knowledge.  And when Bitcoin dumps, most investors are definitely investing in Bitcoin And none of us can accurately assess the value of the Bitcoin market. Because most of us don't know what price Bitcoin is going to reach in the future. So all things considered we have to invest or trade based on a lot of assumptions.

[boty]

A person has complete personal freedom when to invest in Bitcoin. You can give good advice in detail if you want but you can't impose your decision on others And holders or traders when to invest or trade bitcoins depends on their own knowledge.  And when Bitcoin dumps, most investors are definitely investing in Bitcoin And none of us can accurately assess the value of the Bitcoin market. Because most of us don't know what price Bitcoin is going to reach in the future. So all things considered we have to invest or trade based on a lot of assumptions.

Yes, indeed everyone can invest in Bitcoin or trade Bitcoin, but the most important thing before they decide to invest or trade is of course that they must have knowledge in this matter and it would be better if there was someone who could advise us on what we are doing both investing or in trading, because if we trade or invest without knowledge then it is very likely that we will not be able to make a profit from the trading and investment that we make, of course no one can know for sure when the price of Bitcoin will increase and when it will fall, so it is important for us to be able to analyze the market so that you can do it correctly to make a profit.

[NewRanger]

Sorry but I cant enough time answer all, but for better understanding I edited it a bit...

I was talking about a case a few weeks ago, when the price dropped from 70 to 60000 within 2 hours.
Why couldn't they sell BTC and wait for the decline to stabilize and then buy BTC again at a much better price, like everyone else did. Instead, they useless went against everyone and against the market, and since they did not have enough purchasing power, the hours dragged on one place (2cm up and down and again, the same over and over for long hours). We could all make decent money, but because of those "experts" we all had 2/3 less.
And right now it's happening again, BTC fell to 65 and again some "geniuses" are preventing further decline, so again the clocks stands in one place and stretches by a few cm. Sorry, but this is nonsense, I dont know if they are trying to piss everyone off, or they are from another planet ...  

If you buy when the graph is still down/correcting, you are very vulnerable. I think what you are saying is also a form of disappointment when you look at the market and have bought why the reversal took so long even though we thought it was time. In my experience, we have to really wait for the correction while it is completely gone, whether 4 hours or 8 hours later. If we have just entered a decline once, we are still very vulnerable to a further decline. This is where many people get trapped and involved, especially when they hear the opinions of other people whose analysis we think is correct.

[justdimin]

When trading, one good advice every trader should have is to never follow others, do your own research and make decisions based on how you analyzed the market.

Most traders, especially newbies, don't follow this, and as soon as they decide to start trading, they start looking for groups and people who can provide them with signals and help them with their trades instead of trying to learn everything themselves and do their trades themselves because one should have more confidence when they are making such decisions themselves instead of letting someone else do that for them.

This is a mistake, undoubtedly, because you can't rely on someone else's knowledge forever, and there will be times when you will be left alone and at those times, you will feel helpless because even if market conditions remain favourable for trading, you wouldn't be able to do that due to a lack of knowledge and experience about the market and trading practices.

[stomachgrowls]

Sorry but I cant enough time answer all, but for better understanding I edited it a bit...

I was talking about a case a few weeks ago, when the price dropped from 70 to 60000 within 2 hours.
Why couldn't they sell BTC and wait for the decline to stabilize and then buy BTC again at a much better price, like everyone else did. Instead, they useless went against everyone and against the market, and since they did not have enough purchasing power, the hours dragged on one place (2cm up and down and again, the same over and over for long hours). We could all make decent money, but because of those "experts" we all had 2/3 less.
And right now it's happening again, BTC fell to 65 and again some "geniuses" are preventing further decline, so again the clocks stands in one place and stretches by a few cm. Sorry, but this is nonsense, I dont know if they are trying to piss everyone off, or they are from another planet ...  

If you buy when the graph is still down/correcting, you are very vulnerable. I think what you are saying is also a form of disappointment when you look at the market and have bought why the reversal took so long even though we thought it was time. In my experience, we have to really wait for the correction while it is completely gone, whether 4 hours or 8 hours later. If we have just entered a decline once, we are still very vulnerable to a further decline. This is where many people get trapped and involved, especially when they hear the opinions of other people whose analysis we think is correct.

Specially if you do make use of those technicals on which you are assuming that the price might already have that strong reversal signal but it do ends up on having that long accumulation or consolidation period on which
on this time you would really be having those kind of thoughts that there might be something wrong. From here then you would really be having that kind of approach on making up some changes into your strategy
and on the time that the price did make out some movement on which this is something that will really be raising some questions in mind.

Buy low Sell high might really that sound pretty basic but on the time that you are on such situation on making out some positioning or buying or selling decision then this is where you would really be
finding this condition to be really that a huge challenge as a trader or investor. Theer would really be those "what ifs?" into your mind on which this is something that
boggles up on what you are been dealing on with.

[Mauser]

When I see that the price is flying down steeply, I sell everything and let it fall down. When it stops, then I buy cheap and I have earned...
BTC is going down now, so let it go and buy when it stops. We can all make money from it and then we will again get it up together! Unfortunately, there are always a few "geniuses" who go against the flow and they are buying when they should be selling, and that destroying everyone's earnings...
I'm seriously upset because a couple of such  " smart "  people just ruined my chance to make up for a 15k loss... I would like to kick them somewhere!
                                   

You make it sound so easy to make a profit in trading, when in reality it's not that easy. Sure buying low and selling high is the way to make a good profit, but how do we actually know when the bottom or the peak is reached? The timing question is the hardest to answer and most people are struggling here. Just look at the large number of HODL investors that don't have to worry at all about when to sell. Making a 15k USD loss in crypto currencies seems like a lot, why would you ever sell at such a high loss? In that case I would rather keep my coins and wait for the next bull run. It's now the second time Bitcoin reached a new ATH above 60,000 USD. We all know that crypto currencies like most other assets are moving in cycles and we can sit it out in case we missed our opportunity to sell. Afterwards it's always easy to know if we made the right or the wrong decision, but in the moment it's really hard to make the right call consistently. At least we shouldn't feel bad about all the people that are buying now instead of selling, because without them you wouldn't be able to take a profit. Personally, I am not going to sell any of my coins now.

[Yamifoud]

When I see that the price is flying down steeply, I sell everything and let it fall down. When it stops, then I buy cheap and I have earned...
BTC is going down now, so let it go and buy when it stops. We can all make money from it and then we will again get it up together! Unfortunately, there are always a few "geniuses" who go against the flow and they are buying when they should be selling, and that destroying everyone's earnings...
I'm seriously upset because a couple of such  " smart "  people just ruined my chance to make up for a 15k loss... I would like to kick them somewhere!
                                   

You make it sound so easy to make a profit in trading, when in reality it's not that easy. Sure buying low and selling high is the way to make a good profit, but how do we actually know when the bottom or the peak is reached? The timing question is the hardest to answer and most people are struggling here. Just look at the large number of HODL investors that don't have to worry at all about when to sell. Making a 15k USD loss in crypto currencies seems like a lot, why would you ever sell at such a high loss? In that case I would rather keep my coins and wait for the next bull run. It's now the second time Bitcoin reached a new ATH above 60,000 USD. We all know that crypto currencies like most other assets are moving in cycles and we can sit it out in case we missed our opportunity to sell. Afterwards it's always easy to know if we made the right or the wrong decision, but in the moment it's really hard to make the right call consistently. At least we shouldn't feel bad about all the people that are buying now instead of selling, because without them you wouldn't be able to take a profit. Personally, I am not going to sell any of my coins now.

Most traders tried to overthink and say, trading is an easy game. And that is the reason why most of us traders fail from such assumptions and thinking when we know in real that the market is unpredictable. We can't make good timing all the time and therefore, losses are not impossible. Even we spend 24 hours every day in trading and analyzing the market condition, maybe there is some changes but this won't guarantee that we've got a perfect buy/sell call. After all, that still lies in the actual scenario and depends on the decision we made as we can't expect that what happened yesterday and today will also happen tomorrow.

[pinggoki]

I mean it's not just you trading in this market. Other traders at the same time as you would had made same mistakes as you by selling and buying at the wrong time.

That's why you not just relying solely on price. That's why analysis, indicators, strategies exist. You can't just blindly following the hype.

Also if other people success, it doesn't mean that they are a genius. They also did suffer with losses before same as you.

Real prevalent thing happening to retail investors for real, that's probably because most if not all want to squeeze in a little bit more profit and then the price starts dropping in and now they're discouraged because it's not their target price, that's normal in a volatile market I think, people making mistakes because the market is unpredictable. Maybe OP it's not your job to understand everyone here, I think that it's even not your business to do so, just my cup of tea.

[doomloop]

A person has complete personal freedom when to invest in Bitcoin. You can give good advice in detail if you want but you can't impose your decision on others And holders or traders when to invest or trade bitcoins depends on their own knowledge.  And when Bitcoin dumps, most investors are definitely investing in Bitcoin And none of us can accurately assess the value of the Bitcoin market. Because most of us don't know what price Bitcoin is going to reach in the future. So all things considered we have to invest or trade based on a lot of assumptions.

Maybe not on assumptions, but most of us trade based on our own understanding, because not everyone can have the same level of knowledge and expertise about certain things, you might have a different understanding and more or less knowledge than I do, but both of us will make our decisions by the end of the day and those decisions will be based on our level of understanding and how much research and analysis we can do.

So, it's important for every trader and investor to have as much knowledge as possible so that they can assess the situations and make the right decisions at the right time, if you lack knowledge and understanding, you will struggle in making the right decisions.

[Dailyscript]

I think this incident brought about the topic- Why are whales affecting the market so badly. Which is true, this big investors are toiling with the market last week and this week. Not just them alone the ETF organisation are contributing to the fluctuation of bitcoin price. Seriously it is affecting short term investors not long term and also traders are the only ones benefiting from it. Although only professional traders are enjoying the profit. Newbies in trading would have lost so much because they lack the knowledge to time the market this period. It is obviously above their level of knowledge.

[shinratensei_]

to be frank trading nowaday is more of battle of emotion management literally you can make big money if you are patient enough had you bought at the bottom and what allows most of people that profitted nowaday have the gut to buy at the very bottom, its definitely the emotion to go against the waves, buying at the bottom feels depressing but it is what it takes to make profit in the future when we are hitting bullrun.

i mean whenever market seems grim and its just getting down and down the emotion we are going through will definitely feel distasteful but thats what it takes to be having huge success.

I think this incident brought about the topic- Why are whales affecting the market so badly. Which is true, this big investors are toiling with the market last week and this week.

quite ironically thats what a natural market should behave tbh you will see everywhere whales are dominating whatever thing they can exploit with their abundant resources and capital power.

you will definitely see similar thing anywhere else unless things got regulated by the government then people with bigger capital will always have the advantage, as a small fries that tries their luck in trading, just following the current and predicting what whales move could be sufficient enough, but you should never mistake a market where the demand just fluctuating and whales movement, i mean a market might seems heavily manipulated since the fluctuation of price is big enough but that not necessarily being manipulated, maybe its just how the market behave at that moment, its all demand and supply at the end of the day.

[justdimin]

Most traders tried to overthink and say, trading is an easy game. And that is the reason why most of us traders fail from such assumptions and thinking when we know in real that the market is unpredictable. We can't make good timing all the time and therefore, losses are not impossible. Even we spend 24 hours every day in trading and analyzing the market condition, maybe there is some changes but this won't guarantee that we've got a perfect buy/sell call. After all, that still lies in the actual scenario and depends on the decision we made as we can't expect that what happened yesterday and today will also happen tomorrow.

You are right. No matter how much of an expert someone is, they won't be able to perfectly time every single trade, and no one knows that the market conditions from this week or month will match the situations in the next week or month. Sometimes, we do get very good opportunities where the market goes down, we buy, hold a little bit, and then sell as the market goes up a little bit, but that doesn't happen all the time.

Besides, not everyone can make quick decisions when it comes to trading whether they should or shouldn't buy at a certain point. On a lot of occasions, people feel scared of taking the risk because they lack knowledge about the market and they feel they might lose their money if they trade.

[TheUltraElite]

I think this incident brought about the topic- Why are whales affecting the market so badly.

It is safer to maintain a range in my opinion. Like for example, you start buying at any price that goes below 60k and sell at any price that goes above 70k USD. If you jump to frequently, you will increase the chances of getting washed out and going in the wrong direction. A lot of things happening in the world politics at this point and the bitcoin halving just happened and hence different forces are in effect and the net movement is indeed difficult to predict.

Hence the bottom line is still same, panic leads to losses and hence avoid FOMO.

[Zanab247]

Your desire is different from other people, and whenever you see some people hodling their BTC when the price is higher in the market, they have a particular price they are waiting to happen in the market before they can sell.

If you are still lacking the knowledge of trading, it will be difficult for you to understand people in the market because it is the knowledge that will make you to buy coins in the bear run and hodl for the bear run to come before you can trade to earn profits.

If you want $100k to be your target in the nex bear run, don't trade your BTC until the price of your choice come to the market before you can trade, which is what you are seeing professional traders doing in the market when the price is high.

[Pandu Geddon]

Your desire is different from other people, and whenever you see some people hodling their BTC when the price is higher in the market, they have a particular price they are waiting to happen in the market before they can sell.

If you are still lacking the knowledge of trading, it will be difficult for you to understand people in the market because it is the knowledge that will make you to buy coins in the bear run and hodl for the bear run to come before you can trade to earn profits.

If you want $100k to be your target in the nex bear run, don't trade your BTC until the price of your choice come to the market before you can trade, which is what you are seeing professional traders doing in the market when the price is high.

some people are very easily swayed when the market moves very fast. but some people have strong principles to stick to their investment plans.
Experienced investors have their targets. and they know when to sell or hold the Bitcoin they own.
Those who trade, can indeed benefit from market situations that move quite quickly. but in situations like that traders also have to have good calculations.

Op may be happier with short profits even if they are small. it wouldn't be a problem when he would later know which actually brought greater profits.

[Hamphser]

Your desire is different from other people, and whenever you see some people hodling their BTC when the price is higher in the market, they have a particular price they are waiting to happen in the market before they can sell.

If you are still lacking the knowledge of trading, it will be difficult for you to understand people in the market because it is the knowledge that will make you to buy coins in the bear run and hodl for the bear run to come before you can trade to earn profits.

If you want $100k to be your target in the nex bear run, don't trade your BTC until the price of your choice come to the market before you can trade, which is what you are seeing professional traders doing in the market when the price is high.

some people are very easily swayed when the market moves very fast. but some people have strong principles to stick to their investment plans.
Experienced investors have their targets. and they know when to sell or hold the Bitcoin they own.
Those who trade, can indeed benefit from market situations that move quite quickly. but in situations like that traders also have to have good calculations.

Op may be happier with short profits even if they are small. it wouldn't be a problem when he would later know which actually brought greater profits.

If you do have that lacking of experience and awareness on how this market moves then you would really be that basically or normally be having that kind of reaction on which on every movement that it makes
then you would really be freaking out with those small movements. You would really be making out those kind of questions into your mind on how the heck the price movement is too fast.?
On the time that you do able to get that sufficient experience on how this market works then you wont really be that impulsive and reactive on the movement that it would be having.
The profit making and decisions would be just that depending on you because there are people who do make out some short trades and there are ones who do tend to hold for long.
Risk management would really be that different to each other and outcomes and results will really vary.