Canelo Alvarez - Jaime Munguia May 4 Super Middleweight Championship

[TravelMug]

My prediction for this one is: Canelo Alvarez By Decision

I was looking at the odds in different sites, but the fight isn't there yet, i feel like Canelo will be the underdog on this fight, maybe with a x1.2 on his win, but is just speculation. I don't think Canelo will KO Jaime because he is a tough fighter, but we know how random are these fighting sports, one good shot and is all over. So, let's be patient and wait for the odds on this one.

No, Canelo is a huge favorite if you look at Stake odds, Munguia, 4.80, Canelo, 1.16. And if you are looking for Canelo by decision, the odd is 1.74. Still decent though, anything that is above 1.7 is a good bet at least for me. But let's see, maybe there will be changes in the odd. But for the fans of Jaime, ML is already very attractive. Munguia by KO is a huge 12.00. But I doubt that he can accomplished knowing that Canelo has a solid chin, but if you can throw some money on it, not that bad as well. For sure everyone us here is looking for this fight and going to bet specially that boxing fans might see Munguia as a live underdog here.

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[FinneysTrueVision]

To add fuel to the fire, here is the fame trainer, Teddy Atlas opinion on Canelo Alvarez.

“If he ever wants to be able to have that argument, he has to fight Benavidez,” Atlas added. “Forget about being the greatest Mexican of all-time, if you don’t fight Benavidez, you’re not the greatest 168lbs fighter of all time. You’re not the greatest super middleweight. You want to say you’re the best super middleweight in the world right now? Then you’ve got to fight Benavidez.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/atlas-argues-canelo-fight-benavidez-rated-best-super-middleweight--182355

Probably he has a point, although his thoughts are old school, Canelo's legacy is going to be hit if he retires and didn't face David Benavidez. It is like there will be a question mark on his legacy.

Canelo will surely get into the hall of fame but there are too many asterisks on his record that will affect how highly he is regarded. Canelo has always been an opportunist who always sought to have an advantage over his opponent through catchweights, rehydration clauses, aging fighters out, and cherry picking soft opponents. When he could have fought Golovkin in his prime he waited it out until he thought GGG was old enough, and even then the first two fights had questionable decisions. Now he is trying to wait out Benavidez when it is the most logical matchup that can be made. He has fought Ryder and Charlo instead who were not anywhere near Benavidez’ level.

Imposing all these disadvantages on your opponents to the degree that Canelo has done so would have been unheard of in the eras of Muhammad Ali, Sugar Ray Leonard and Sugar Ray Robinson.

[inthelongrun]

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I see a lot of you confuse Jermall Charlo and Jermell Charlo They are two brothers. First one is undefeated, other one is after a few years pause and fought Canelo. Please stop confusing it, as they arent identical boxers.

Undefeated Jermall is what Canelo wants but PBC wanted Benavidez. They settled in the middle and ended up with Jaime Mungia of GBP. Both twins are somewhat inactive although Mall had a tune up last year.

To add fuel to the fire, here is the fame trainer, Teddy Atlas opinion on Canelo Alvarez.

“If he ever wants to be able to have that argument, he has to fight Benavidez,” Atlas added. “Forget about being the greatest Mexican of all-time, if you don’t fight Benavidez, you’re not the greatest 168lbs fighter of all time. You’re not the greatest super middleweight. You want to say you’re the best super middleweight in the world right now? Then you’ve got to fight Benavidez.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/atlas-argues-canelo-fight-benavidez-rated-best-super-middleweight--182355

Probably he has a point, although his thoughts are old school, Canelo's legacy is going to be hit if he retires and didn't face David Benavidez. It is like there will be a question mark on his legacy.

Canelo will surely get into the hall of fame but there are too many asterisks on his record that will affect how highly he is regarded. Canelo has always been an opportunist who always sought to have an advantage over his opponent through catchweights, rehydration clauses, aging fighters out, and cherry picking soft opponents. When he could have fought Golovkin in his prime he waited it out until he thought GGG was old enough, and even then the first two fights had questionable decisions. Now he is trying to wait out Benavidez when it is the most logical matchup that can be made. He has fought Ryder and Charlo instead who were not anywhere near Benavidez’ level.

Imposing all these disadvantages on your opponents to the degree that Canelo has done so would have been unheard of in the eras of Muhammad Ali, Sugar Ray Leonard and Sugar Ray Robinson.

And Canelo being an opportunist and issues in the past will be more remembered than Benavidez decades from now. Canelo became a middleweight champ from old Miguel Cotto, defended it at catchweight and then shamefully gave it up because he does not want to fight a prime GGG. He then fought a mid to late 30s GGG. He also exploited Kovalev to become a champ at 175, not giving the Russian time to rest from his previous fight. 

But I guess Canelo just copied the Mayweather way but a little riskier since he is fighting the bigger guys in the higher divisions. Canelo with or without Benavidez is already a sure first ballot in the Hall of Fame. Benavidez has to become champion again, unify the belts and enters the Hall of Fame if he wants to be remembered.

[rodskee]

Munguia will be KO. Looks like he doesn't even know what he got himself into. Canelo chooses his next victim since he's been fighting the fight when he wants to give ground to his opponent, he does it; when the opponent messes with him by talking too much, that's when he acts. I feel like Munguia will be knocked out if he says bad things before the fight. By the way, do you think Canelo will  fight David Benavidez in the future?

have this same look in this match , maybe Munguia knows what he is entering here and that is to at least have a name even if this is an obvious suicide or being a boxer he still believes in One Punch luck 
and also wondering if how many bettors will end with Munguia?  surely I am not gonna be the one.

[inthelongrun]

Munguia will be KO. Looks like he doesn't even know what he got himself into. Canelo chooses his next victim since he's been fighting the fight when he wants to give ground to his opponent, he does it; when the opponent messes with him by talking too much, that's when he acts. I feel like Munguia will be knocked out if he says bad things before the fight. By the way, do you think Canelo will  fight David Benavidez in the future?

have this same look in this match , maybe Munguia knows what he is entering here and that is to at least have a name even if this is an obvious suicide or being a boxer he still believes in One Punch luck 
and also wondering if how many bettors will end with Munguia?  surely I am not gonna be the one.

Most fighters will take the risk even at catchweights and late noticed when it is a bigger opportunity. Canelo I guess remains as the biggest name in boxing so Mungia win or lose will earn millions here and most likely the biggest in his career.

I am thinking of putting a small bet on Mungia. But I am more willing to bet especially here thru p2p that Mungia won't get KO'd by Canelo. I haven't seen the books yet in this fight except for someone posting here that Mungia is a huge underdog. So maybe someone confident enough that Canelo will KO Mungia is willing to take my bet. 50/50.

[btc_angela]

Munguia will be KO. Looks like he doesn't even know what he got himself into. Canelo chooses his next victim since he's been fighting the fight when he wants to give ground to his opponent, he does it; when the opponent messes with him by talking too much, that's when he acts. I feel like Munguia will be knocked out if he says bad things before the fight. By the way, do you think Canelo will  fight David Benavidez in the future?

have this same look in this match , maybe Munguia knows what he is entering here and that is to at least have a name even if this is an obvious suicide or being a boxer he still believes in One Punch luck 
and also wondering if how many bettors will end with Munguia?  surely I am not gonna be the one.

Most fighters will take the risk even at catchweights and late noticed when it is a bigger opportunity. Canelo I guess remains as the biggest name in boxing so Mungia win or lose will earn millions here and most likely the biggest in his career.

He is still considered as the cash cow, and will be in the next 2 years until Munguia will beat him in this fight and inflict more damage in the rematch (they have rematch clause and that is good).

I am thinking of putting a small bet on Mungia. But I am more willing to bet especially here thru p2p that Mungia won't get KO'd by Canelo. I haven't seen the books yet in this fight except for someone posting here that Mungia is a huge underdog. So maybe someone confident enough that Canelo will KO Mungia is willing to take my bet. 50/50.

Why not, I'm also thinking of having Munguia here, maybe ML or by decision. It's to tempting not too and who knows, maybe Canelos is really way past his prime and fighting a young hungry lion, might be enough for Munguia to pull the biggest upset of the year.

[Dave1]

Munguia will be KO. Looks like he doesn't even know what he got himself into. Canelo chooses his next victim since he's been fighting the fight when he wants to give ground to his opponent, he does it; when the opponent messes with him by talking too much, that's when he acts. I feel like Munguia will be knocked out if he says bad things before the fight. By the way, do you think Canelo will  fight David Benavidez in the future?

have this same look in this match , maybe Munguia knows what he is entering here and that is to at least have a name even if this is an obvious suicide or being a boxer he still believes in One Punch luck 
and also wondering if how many bettors will end with Munguia?  surely I am not gonna be the one.

There are young gamblers that who want to risk everything on the line. This is one of a lifetime shot for Jaime Munguia and I think this is his dream fight. It could be considered as a suicide, but if he is going to earn his biggest paycheck, then I doubt that he will ever consider it.

There are bettors who bet on the live underdog, and sometimes it's going to be a hit or miss, but if these bettors are willing to take then they will like what they are seeing in the odds for Jaime Munguia.

[Yaunfitda]

And so Alvarez responded to his former manager, Oscar Dela Hoya,

Alvarez, speaking to the Los Angeles Times En Español YouTube channel, didn’t pull punches when weighing his former promoter’s prediction.

“I think it’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen in my life, and that’s what Oscar is,” Alvarez said, according to the channel’s closed-caption translation.

“Oscar relies on nothing more than saying stupid things, and that’s why people pay attention to him. But in his company, he does nothing more than say stupid things. That’s all he does. That’s all he knows how to do.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/canelo-alvarez-on-oscar-de-la-hoya-saying-stupid-things-all-he-knows--182627

Canelo Alvarez is responding about Oscar's comment that he can beat Alvarez if they fought in their primes. But I don't know if he can do it, I mean Dela Hoya when he moves up from 154 lbs to middle weight doesn't look good. So who knows how this proverbial fight will end.

[Sanitough]

And so Alvarez responded to his former manager, Oscar Dela Hoya,

Alvarez, speaking to the Los Angeles Times En Español YouTube channel, didn’t pull punches when weighing his former promoter’s prediction.

“I think it’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen in my life, and that’s what Oscar is,” Alvarez said, according to the channel’s closed-caption translation.

“Oscar relies on nothing more than saying stupid things, and that’s why people pay attention to him. But in his company, he does nothing more than say stupid things. That’s all he does. That’s all he knows how to do.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/canelo-alvarez-on-oscar-de-la-hoya-saying-stupid-things-all-he-knows--182627

Canelo Alvarez is responding about Oscar's comment that he can beat Alvarez if they fought in their primes. But I don't know if he can do it, I mean Dela Hoya when he moves up from 154 lbs to middle weight doesn't look good. So who knows how this proverbial fight will end.

That's Canelo call it stupid because Oscar is saying something that he isn't sure of. What he believe is different from what people or Canelo believe, so he should have shut his mouth up.. Here is the thing, if He and Pacman did not fight, people would think that he will easily beat Pacman because during the fight Oscar was the heavy favorite but it turns out it was a one sided fight.

Oscar just trying to make noise again, well, what can we expect from him, he is a promoter so he wanted to be in the news to stay popular.

[robelneo]

And so Alvarez responded to his former manager, Oscar Dela Hoya,

Alvarez, speaking to the Los Angeles Times En Español YouTube channel, didn’t pull punches when weighing his former promoter’s prediction.

“I think it’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen in my life, and that’s what Oscar is,” Alvarez said, according to the channel’s closed-caption translation.

“Oscar relies on nothing more than saying stupid things, and that’s why people pay attention to him. But in his company, he does nothing more than say stupid things. That’s all he does. That’s all he knows how to do.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/canelo-alvarez-on-oscar-de-la-hoya-saying-stupid-things-all-he-knows--182627

Canelo Alvarez is responding about Oscar's comment that he can beat Alvarez if they fought in their primes. But I don't know if he can do it, I mean Dela Hoya when he moves up from 154 lbs to middle weight doesn't look good. So who knows how this proverbial fight will end.

I agree with Canelo in saying that Oscar is stupid, old fighters are always comparing their prime to beat the new generation of fighters the fact is we don't know if Oscar can beat Canelo, in what he says his best skills because Canelo has fought boxers with greater skill and power than Oscar.
He is delusional in saying that it's easy to beat Canelo in his prime when so many great fighters have a hard time beating Canelo.

[Jating]

And so Alvarez responded to his former manager, Oscar Dela Hoya,

Alvarez, speaking to the Los Angeles Times En Español YouTube channel, didn’t pull punches when weighing his former promoter’s prediction.

“I think it’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen in my life, and that’s what Oscar is,” Alvarez said, according to the channel’s closed-caption translation.

“Oscar relies on nothing more than saying stupid things, and that’s why people pay attention to him. But in his company, he does nothing more than say stupid things. That’s all he does. That’s all he knows how to do.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/canelo-alvarez-on-oscar-de-la-hoya-saying-stupid-things-all-he-knows--182627

Canelo Alvarez is responding about Oscar's comment that he can beat Alvarez if they fought in their primes. But I don't know if he can do it, I mean Dela Hoya when he moves up from 154 lbs to middle weight doesn't look good. So who knows how this proverbial fight will end.

I agree with Canelo in saying that Oscar is stupid, old fighters are always comparing their prime to beat the new generation of fighters the fact is we don't know if Oscar can beat Canelo, in what he says his best skills because Canelo has fought boxers with greater skill and power than Oscar.
He is delusional in saying that it's easy to beat Canelo in his prime when so many great fighters have a hard time beating Canelo.

I think we can't really compare generations though, we can say that against the current line up of heavyweight champions and that some of them can beat prime Mike Tyson. And so this is clearly Oscar making some noise not for him but for his protegee Munguia who will be facing Canelo.

We've said it before, it seems that Oscar is hell bend to have his revenge on Canelo for leaving him. And they are trying to make this as another storyline line for this fight. So that's how promoters, just like Top Rank Bob Arum's statement on his fighters and other boxers as well.

This is just for promotion.

[btc_angela]

And so Alvarez responded to his former manager, Oscar Dela Hoya,

Alvarez, speaking to the Los Angeles Times En Español YouTube channel, didn’t pull punches when weighing his former promoter’s prediction.

“I think it’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen in my life, and that’s what Oscar is,” Alvarez said, according to the channel’s closed-caption translation.

“Oscar relies on nothing more than saying stupid things, and that’s why people pay attention to him. But in his company, he does nothing more than say stupid things. That’s all he does. That’s all he knows how to do.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/canelo-alvarez-on-oscar-de-la-hoya-saying-stupid-things-all-he-knows--182627

Canelo Alvarez is responding about Oscar's comment that he can beat Alvarez if they fought in their primes. But I don't know if he can do it, I mean Dela Hoya when he moves up from 154 lbs to middle weight doesn't look good. So who knows how this proverbial fight will end.

That's Canelo call it stupid because Oscar is saying something that he isn't sure of. What he believe is different from what people or Canelo believe, so he should have shut his mouth up.. Here is the thing, if He and Pacman did not fight, people would think that he will easily beat Pacman because during the fight Oscar was the heavy favorite but it turns out it was a one sided fight.

Oscar just trying to make noise again, well, what can we expect from him, he is a promoter so he wanted to be in the news to stay popular.

When Oscar becomes a promoter, he started to say (and act) stupid things. So I wouldn't put too much weight on what he said. He didn't fight at super middle at where Canelo's best weight. Him and Bernard Hopkins fought at a catch weight of 158 lbs, the highest that Oscar did in his career.

So there's no way that they can face each other during their primes unless he will go to 168 lbs which I doubt Oscar will.

I do agree that since Canelo is fighting his boxers, he need to insert himself and create this and that to hype the fight. Munguia and Canelo shows too much respect in the press off kicker and so Oscar need to do something to generate and provoke something that the media will talk about.

[Kemarit]

And Oscar Dela Hoya continues to troll Canelo Alvarez with this poll,



https://twitter.com/AccordToBoxing/status/1777450073456267291

I think this will be bad for Munguia if his promoter as going to wake up the animal in Canelo. Oscar even poses a picture with Benavidez if I'm not mistaken. But I think this is jus to test Canelo in like a psyche war. But then again it could backfire big time, IMHO.

[inthelongrun]

And Oscar Dela Hoya continues to troll Canelo Alvarez with this poll,



https://twitter.com/AccordToBoxing/status/1777450073456267291

I think this will be bad for Munguia if his promoter as going to wake up the animal in Canelo. Oscar even poses a picture with Benavidez if I'm not mistaken. But I think this is jus to test Canelo in like a psyche war. But then again it could backfire big time, IMHO.

Oscar De La Hoya probably thought Canelo will win the survey. Too bad, it is the top cherry picker Tank Davis that is leading the survey. Good call by the voters. Tank Davis is already nearing his 30s but is yet to fight a world champion at 135 where he stayed for many years. Canelo deserved the second ranking. But I do not understand why Demetrius Andrade is included. The guy is one of the most avoided fighter in recent years like Rigondeaux.

Still a month before this fight happens. Hopefully if Mungia wins he will either fight Morrell or Benavidez or just vacate the belts and move up in weight.

[Yaunfitda]

And Oscar Dela Hoya continues to troll Canelo Alvarez with this poll,



https://twitter.com/AccordToBoxing/status/1777450073456267291

I think this will be bad for Munguia if his promoter as going to wake up the animal in Canelo. Oscar even poses a picture with Benavidez if I'm not mistaken. But I think this is jus to test Canelo in like a psyche war. But then again it could backfire big time, IMHO.

Oscar De La Hoya probably thought Canelo will win the survey. Too bad, it is the top cherry picker Tank Davis that is leading the survey. Good call by the voters. Tank Davis is already nearing his 30s but is yet to fight a world champion at 135 where he stayed for many years. Canelo deserved the second ranking. But I do not understand why Demetrius Andrade is included. The guy is one of the most avoided fighter in recent years like Rigondeaux.

Still a month before this fight happens. Hopefully if Mungia wins he will either fight Morrell or Benavidez or just vacate the belts and move up in weight.

Most likely that is the case, but still the fans voted for Canelo and when Canelo see it, this could be something that might affect him. But he has been with Oscar and so he should now that Oscar is trying to do here. Fans get it right though, Tank Davis is a great fighter, but he clearly is protected by Floyd and they don't want his 0 to go so he ducks Haney or even Teo. Munguia should be pump in this fight, this is a perfect opportunity for him to show if he could be the next big Mexican star or just a product of hype by his promoter. I don't know though if he can go to 175 lbs, the way I see his body, he is a perfect fit for a super middleweight. But we don't know what the future holds of this kid. Maybe in the future, he would love to go and move up.

[coin-investor]

And Oscar Dela Hoya continues to troll Canelo Alvarez with this poll,



https://twitter.com/AccordToBoxing/status/1777450073456267291

I think this will be bad for Munguia if his promoter as going to wake up the animal in Canelo. Oscar even poses a picture with Benavidez if I'm not mistaken. But I think this is jus to test Canelo in like a psyche war. But then again it could backfire big time, IMHO.

Of all the promoters Oscar is the one who loves to Troll because he is also a boxer he knows that psyche war could throw off a boxer from his game, so he is doing this strategy against Canelo, but Canelo has been through all this all his boxing career after Canelo beat the hell out of Munguia he will the one trolling Oscar.

It's only a month to go before the fight and both fighters do not thrash-talk each other they have mutual respect with each other, but knowing Canelo and Munguia will put all their anger in the ring, so far only a few people believe that Munguia will have a chance against Canelo, but who knows Munguia is capable of pulling up an upset, we just never know.

[Jating]

And Oscar Dela Hoya continues to troll Canelo Alvarez with this poll,



https://twitter.com/AccordToBoxing/status/1777450073456267291

I think this will be bad for Munguia if his promoter as going to wake up the animal in Canelo. Oscar even poses a picture with Benavidez if I'm not mistaken. But I think this is jus to test Canelo in like a psyche war. But then again it could backfire big time, IMHO.

Of all the promoters Oscar is the one who loves to Troll because he is also a boxer he knows that psyche war could throw off a boxer from his game, so he is doing this strategy against Canelo, but Canelo has been through all this all his boxing career after Canelo beat the hell out of Munguia he will the one trolling Oscar.

It's only a month to go before the fight and both fighters do not thrash-talk each other they have mutual respect with each other, but knowing Canelo and Munguia will put all their anger in the ring, so far only a few people believe that Munguia will have a chance against Canelo, but who knows Munguia is capable of pulling up an upset, we just never know.

And most likely that's why Oscar step up with this trolling as both are Mexicans and respect each other. Oscar thinks of a way to ignite the fire in Canelo by going to social media. Of course it has reach on the camp of Canelo now and for sure they might feed the troll in Oscar and I think Oscar loves to see how the camp of Canelo will react as he still knows them by this day.

Munguia though should not be affected by this kind of stunt by his promoter, he should focus and be motivated to beat Canelo and be the next biggest star, not just for Mexicans but the next PPV stars like Ryan Garcia. But the difference is that he has a belt in his waist and not all hype.

[Kemarit]

And Oscar Dela Hoya continues to troll Canelo Alvarez with this poll,

I think this will be bad for Munguia if his promoter as going to wake up the animal in Canelo. Oscar even poses a picture with Benavidez if I'm not mistaken. But I think this is jus to test Canelo in like a psyche war. But then again it could backfire big time, IMHO.

Oscar De La Hoya probably thought Canelo will win the survey. Too bad, it is the top cherry picker Tank Davis that is leading the survey. Good call by the voters. Tank Davis is already nearing his 30s but is yet to fight a world champion at 135 where he stayed for many years. Canelo deserved the second ranking. But I do not understand why Demetrius Andrade is included. The guy is one of the most avoided fighter in recent years like Rigondeaux.

Yes, this could be the plan of Oscar after all, some form of humiliation and trolling for Canelo, but unfortunately, the fans voted for Tank Davis.

Of all the promoters Oscar is the one who loves to Troll because he is also a boxer he knows that psyche war could throw off a boxer from his game, so he is doing this strategy against Canelo, but Canelo has been through all this all his boxing career after Canelo beat the hell out of Munguia he will the one trolling Oscar.

It's only a month to go before the fight and both fighters do not thrash-talk each other they have mutual respect with each other, but knowing Canelo and Munguia will put all their anger in the ring, so far only a few people believe that Munguia will have a chance against Canelo, but who knows Munguia is capable of pulling up an upset, we just never know.

Everyone trolls from time to time, including the old and senile Bob Arum. But Oscar definitely is in top of the list, as he has done it many times already and he himself was a victim of the internet troll (who would remember the fishnet image of him?)

But going back to the fight, tall order for the young Munguia here, he should have a perfect plan or at least watch the Bivol vs Canelo fight to know the blue print on how to beat Canelo in his own game.

[FinneysTrueVision]

We've said it before, it seems that Oscar is hell bend to have his revenge on Canelo for leaving him. And they are trying to make this as another storyline line for this fight. So that's how promoters, just like Top Rank Bob Arum's statement on his fighters and other boxers as well.

This is just for promotion.

It is ironic that Oscar holds so much resentment towards Canelo. When Oscar was a fighter, he had a falling out with his own promoter, Bob Arum, and had to take legal action to get out of his contract.

When Richard Shaefer was running Golden Boy, Oscar also didn’t see a problem with fighters abandoning their promoters to pursue other opportunities. He was one of the biggest beneficiaries of the Mayweather vs. Top Rank feud, which resulted in Golden Boy promoting most of Mayweather’s fights at the end of his career. It wasn’t until Haymon took much of his stable and later when Canelo left, that Oscar felt what it was like to be betrayed by his own fighters.

[Jating]

We've said it before, it seems that Oscar is hell bend to have his revenge on Canelo for leaving him. And they are trying to make this as another storyline line for this fight. So that's how promoters, just like Top Rank Bob Arum's statement on his fighters and other boxers as well.

This is just for promotion.

It is ironic that Oscar holds so much resentment towards Canelo. When Oscar was a fighter, he had a falling out with his own promoter, Bob Arum, and had to take legal action to get out of his contract.

When Richard Shaefer was running Golden Boy, Oscar also didn’t see a problem with fighters abandoning their promoters to pursue other opportunities. He was one of the biggest beneficiaries of the Mayweather vs. Top Rank feud, which resulted in Golden Boy promoting most of Mayweather’s fights at the end of his career. It wasn’t until Haymon took much of his stable and later when Canelo left, that Oscar felt what it was like to be betrayed by his own fighters.

Lest you forget, what they did to one of their supposedly partners, because as far as I remember, they have also Shane Mosley together with Bernard Hopkins as business partner of Oscar Dela Hoya in the early stage of Golden Boy.

But they ditch Shane, after his contract with Golden Boy and then just gave him 5% stake in the company.

So in any case, Oscar is also a snake and it's just maybe payback for him when Canelo left him and sure does if Ryan Garcia will also do that as they have already a history of falling out and even Ryan has filed lawsuits against Golden Boy.