bc.game scam coinflip

[swaga]

What happened: I bet $10 on coinflip (big money), won on goldcoin and then closed my tab. When I returned the game was reset meaning I couldnt win my $19.9 but instead I was forced to play another round of coinflip.

Scammers Profile Link: Dont know if they're on this site but casino site is bc.game

Reference Link:

Amount Scammed: Nothing but their game forces you to play twice even if you've won the first time.

Additional Notes: heres screenshots.

1) https://ibb.co/SX0mSNW - game is on and i have $0
2) https://ibb.co/Z1FGLDB - i've lost one game before and it only shows 1 game meaning 2nd game is still going on
3) https://ibb.co/PDqYd0L - After i chose another color it told me i've won again and my multiplier was 3.96x  
4) https://ibb.co/C1fVW08 - proof I've only player 2 games and nothing else

If you doubt this is true please feel free and recreate this bug. This is borderline scamming because even if you win 1st round you still have to play 2nd before being able to cashout.

[bcfr]

Indeed there is some sort of bug ...  though I've experienced a bit different issue.

I did following:
1 - clicked bet
2 - picked side
3 - on win (multiplier x1.98) - cashout button is visible  - so far everything OK
4 - (reloading the page) the cashout button won't appear ( stats show series 0 multiply x0.00 ) and I'm asked to pick side
5 - continuing with another pick
on win it seems to go back to "normal" but showing wrong stats: series 1 and multipier x7.92 (but should be series 2 mult. x7.92 )
on loss I lose ... but actually I was not given the option to cashout (previous win)

Couple tries and I was able to make x7.92 multiplier within series 1 (after reload) and x15.84 in series 2 ... which should not be possible
Definitely something wrong here.

some pics:

[ghostingura2]

That happened to me a few weeks ago but I didn't find the pattern.

[AHOYBRAUSE]

I have only 1 question here.
Why would you, if you want to click cashout, first reload the site/close the tab???
I mean, what is the reason for even thinking about reloading/closing when your bet is not finished yet?? That doesn't make any sense.
Sure it's strange/buggy that after a reload you are pretty much forced to keep paying, I guess the system just didn't consider someone would be silly enough to reload a site or close it while a bet is in action.

It's the same as if you would close your table on a poker client while you are in a hand. It just doesn't make sense.

For this reason I don't see any intentional scam here, a bug yes, it might be one, but a scam it is not.

[bcfr]

I have only 1 question here.
Why would you, if you want to click cashout, first reload the site/close the tab???
I mean, what is the reason for even thinking about reloading/closing when your bet is not finished yet?? That doesn't make any sense.
Sure it's strange/buggy that after a reload you are pretty much forced to keep paying, I guess the system just didn't consider someone would be silly enough to reload a site or close it while a bet is in action.

It's the same as if you would close your table on a poker client while you are in a hand. It just doesn't make sense.

For this reason I don't see any intentional scam here, a bug yes, it might be one, but a scam it is not.

Before you hit the button the browser may crash, internet connection may be interrupted, accidental hitting go-back shortcut ...
All these should result in either auto-cashout or showing correct (actual) data after you come back.

I also didn't call it intentional scam, rather a bug.

[swaga]

I have only 1 question here.
Why would you, if you want to click cashout, first reload the site/close the tab???
I mean, what is the reason for even thinking about reloading/closing when your bet is not finished yet?? That doesn't make any sense.
Sure it's strange/buggy that after a reload you are pretty much forced to keep paying, I guess the system just didn't consider someone would be silly enough to reload a site or close it while a bet is in action.

It's the same as if you would close your table on a poker client while you are in a hand. It just doesn't make sense.

For this reason I don't see any intentional scam here, a bug yes, it might be one, but a scam it is not.

I thought the game was one play only. Like roulette, you play on red and it cashes you out. I didnt know I had to manually cash out so the second i saw i won the flip i switched to cashout page only to find out i still have $0.
The reason why this is a scam is simple. Bc.game is not some small casino, they're huge! And there's 99.9999% chance they already know about this bug yet they keep the game running.

Imagine if someone was doing 100k coinflip and they won the first round, they're excited and they switch to cashout page - but theres $0 in their balance. They go back to coinflip and see the game is running and their 1st round win is now deleted. Bc.game could in fact deny the player EVER played the first round. Because how would you prove it without playing the 2nd round?

[AHOYBRAUSE]

I have only 1 question here.
Why would you, if you want to click cashout, first reload the site/close the tab???
I mean, what is the reason for even thinking about reloading/closing when your bet is not finished yet?? That doesn't make any sense.
Sure it's strange/buggy that after a reload you are pretty much forced to keep paying, I guess the system just didn't consider someone would be silly enough to reload a site or close it while a bet is in action.

It's the same as if you would close your table on a poker client while you are in a hand. It just doesn't make sense.

For this reason I don't see any intentional scam here, a bug yes, it might be one, but a scam it is not.

I thought the game was one play only. Like roulette, you play on red and it cashes you out. I didnt know I had to manually cash out so the second i saw i won the flip i switched to cashout page only to find out i still have $0.
The reason why this is a scam is simple. Bc.game is not some small casino, they're huge! And there's 99.9999% chance they already know about this bug yet they keep the game running.

Imagine if someone was doing 100k coinflip and they won the first round, they're excited and they switch to cashout page - but theres $0 in their balance. They go back to coinflip and see the game is running and their 1st round win is now deleted. Bc.game could in fact deny the player EVER played the first round. Because how would you prove it without playing the 2nd round?

Seriously, if you do a 100k coinflip you have played this game before and know the rules. Nobody plays a game for the first time and wagers 100k, haha.
Nobody in their right mind would just close the tab. But anyway, still not a scam.

Before you hit the button the browser may crash, internet connection may be interrupted, accidental hitting go-back shortcut ...
All these should result in either auto-cashout or showing correct (actual) data after you come back.

I also didn't call it intentional scam, rather a bug.

Obviously I was talking to OP about calling it a scam.  
But of course you are right, these thing might happen, meaning crashes and so on.
Still, OP did it intentionally.

[swaga]

guy with a profile full of affiliate links defends the casino he's affiliated with. Lol 


Great job defending shitty bug that they don't want to fix.

[bcfr]

It's a bug which plays in favor of the casino. It won't cause them lose money, but users could ( due to being forced to play another pick )
I really think it should be fixed.
Once the casino is aware of this bug and willingly not fixing it then it turns into intentional scam. IMO

@OP
to AHOYBRAUSE defence, he seems to be very active in helping people solving problems in this section ... check his history.
But for some reason just don't find this to be serious issue.

Reflink is just signature campaign spam ( one of the things i don't like much at this forum)
But does not mean his direct affiliation. I believe he will be paid even if he say something against that casino.

P.S. you can set "don't show signatures" in your profile settings. Forum is much cleaner then.

...
Great job defending shitty bug that they don't want to fix.

Have you reached them? Did they refused to fix it?

[ghostingura2]

@AHOYBRAUSE is completely bias everytime it envolves BC.Game and he is afraid of losing his signature campaign reward - so don't expect anything rational or neutral from him.

[virasog]

What happened: I bet $10 on coinflip (big money), won on goldcoin and then closed my tab. When I returned the game was reset meaning I couldnt win my $19.9 but instead I was forced to play another round of coinflip.

Are we taking about 10$ and 19.9$ scam here or is it some other amount that i don't see it yet 

Have you reached them? Did they refused to fix it?

The same is my question, did he try to reach the support and what was their response? It does not matter what people say here about this case and who is defending the casino and who is neutral, the point is that it is the casino at the end, as how will they resolve this case.
Sometimes the casino can pay back the gambler if they find that the gambler lost money because of the bug at the site and that is not the fault of the player, but some casinos may not listen.

[swaga]

What happened: I bet $10 on coinflip (big money), won on goldcoin and then closed my tab. When I returned the game was reset meaning I couldnt win my $19.9 but instead I was forced to play another round of coinflip.

Are we taking about 10$ and 19.9$ scam here or is it some other amount that i don't see it yet  

Have you reached them? Did they refused to fix it?

The same is my question, did he try to reach the support and what was their response? It does not matter what people say here about this case and who is defending the casino and who is neutral, the point is that it is the casino at the end, as how will they resolve this case.
Sometimes the casino can pay back the gambler if they find that the gambler lost money because of the bug at the site and that is not the fault of the player, but some casinos may not listen.

amount scammed doesnt matter in this case. They're aware of the bug yet it hasnt been fixed yet nor is the game offline.
Ive reported that bug and still havent got any response from them.

[bcfr]

... They're aware of the bug yet it hasnt been fixed yet nor is the game offline.
Ive reported that bug and still havent got any response from them.

Then I agree with this scam allegation!
Maybe could give them some time to react but we need established members to endorse this as newbie/Jr voice has no weight.
I urge well-known members to make noise.

[Coin_trader]

I try to re-create the “bug” by placing a bet then not cash out instead I close the tab and went back again on coin flip game but still my game is still save with my cash out is available.

I try to refresh too several times my tab while I have an active cash out but the result is still the same which my game progress is save. I can’t support this bug if I don’t experience it myself so the accusation about bc.game allows it is not justified.

You can check my actual game trial here https://imgur.com/pnmfNO0

Maybe could give them some time to react but we need established members to endorse this as newbie/Jr voice has no weight.
I urge well-known members to make noise.

This is not true. Anyone can file a serious scam accusation and view fairly if all the evidence is strong enough to make the case against the casino.

[swaga]

I try to re-create the “bug” by placing a bet then not cash out instead I close the tab and went back again on coin flip game but still my game is still save with my cash out is available.

I try to refresh too several times my tab while I have an active cash out but the result is still the same which my game progress is save. I can’t support this bug if I don’t experience it myself so the accusation about bc.game allows it is not justified.

You can check my actual game trial here https://imgur.com/pnmfNO0

Maybe could give them some time to react but we need established members to endorse this as newbie/Jr voice has no weight.
I urge well-known members to make noise.

This is not true. Anyone can file a serious scam accusation and view fairly if all the evidence is strong enough to make the case against the casino.

I tried to do this bug again and it works for me: https://ibb.co/MVwgbjv

see theres x3.96 but i only guessed one right. I'll record my screen when i get home.

[bcfr]

recorded: see comments below to get into picture whats going on.
https://imgur.com/a/SEcgFTD


0:00
First 2 bets I lost, then win (visible payout button  ... so far ok)
I didn't click the payout button and reload page ( to simulate browser crash )
Now I only have the option to pick side again (note the stats are also wrong series 0 multiply 0)
moving further I lost (without chance to stop playing and cashing out the first win)

0:27
starting new game
I win
reload
again no payout button just option to pick side
moving further, this time my second pick was win (and stats shows series 1 multiply 3.96)

Might worth to note I'm Windows/Firefox.
I'll also admit that I've had a few times where everything was fine...it feels like an occasional bug.

[holydarkness]

amount scammed doesnt matter in this case. They're aware of the bug yet it hasnt been fixed yet nor is the game offline.
Ive reported that bug and still havent got any response from them.

Can you add prove that they've been made aware of this bug and they deliberately not fixing it? When did you reported it and through what channel?

I haven't check the game myself, so I am not sure if it's just a simple glitch or a bug, but I'll notify BC's support about this bug, hopefully they'll promptly addres this issue and [if the bug is correct, temporarily froze the game].

Then I agree with this scam allegation!
Maybe could give them some time to react but we need established members to endorse this as newbie/Jr voice has no weight.
I urge well-known members to make noise.

We don't discriminate rank on this thread, other than they're expected to have some knowledge on how the forum works if they're at a relatively high rank, so what you proposed is actually quite the opposite. In fact, most of the people raising accusation here are newbies, be it a pure newbie asking for help or people with older account who use a newbie alt to hide his main account.


Edit: oh, OP, the scammers profile link will be this one: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2503677

[Cantsay]

I tried replicating the issue - First, I flipped the coin and lost the first two tries but the third time I won and immediately the “cash out button became active” Just like you said I refreshed my browser but the button was very active (I didn't close the browser because I'm battling with network issue it will be difficult to get to that page if I should close it).

The second time - I won twice by choosing heads and then I refreshed the browser again but still the cash-out option was very much active for me despite the network issue. But since someone stated that it doesn't happen always maybe I would have encountered it if I had continued.


Op, since you suspected that it was a bug then, it would have been better if you had reported it in their ANN thread rather than creating a scam accusation thread for it.

[swaga]

I tried replicating the issue - First, I flipped the coin and lost the first two tries but the third time I won and immediately the “cash out button became active” Just like you said I refreshed my browser but the button was very active (I didn't close the browser because I'm battling with network issue it will be difficult to get to that page if I should close it).

The second time - I won twice by choosing heads and then I refreshed the browser again but still the cash-out option was very much active for me despite the network issue. But since someone stated that it doesn't happen always maybe I would have encountered it if I had continued.


Op, since you suspected that it was a bug then, it would have been better if you had reported it in their ANN thread rather than creating a scam accusation thread for it.

The reason why i made a scam accusation is also this:

Their customer support takes 5-6 hours to reply and if you dont reply within 15min they simply close the conversation and you have to do it all over again.
If this happened to someone who needed to cashout fast, their money would be stuck on there forever because its unreasonable to expect the player to be online for 6+ hours just to catch their customer support online

[Coin_trader]

I try to re-create the “bug” by placing a bet then not cash out instead I close the tab and went back again on coin flip game but still my game is still save with my cash out is available.

I try to refresh too several times my tab while I have an active cash out but the result is still the same which my game progress is save. I can’t support this bug if I don’t experience it myself so the accusation about bc.game allows it is not justified.

You can check my actual game trial here https://imgur.com/pnmfNO0

Maybe could give them some time to react but we need established members to endorse this as newbie/Jr voice has no weight.
I urge well-known members to make noise.

This is not true. Anyone can file a serious scam accusation and view fairly if all the evidence is strong enough to make the case against the casino.

I tried to do this bug again and it works for me: https://ibb.co/MVwgbjv

see theres x3.96 but i only guessed one right. I'll record my screen when i get home.

Maybe it’s due to your device. Try to hard reset your browser because the problem might be on your side. I try to do the exact method that you did on this reference that you provided but same result to me which is there’s no bug found. It’s very hard to support your accusations if this only happened to you. Take note that I’m not supporting BC casino in general here.

The only error I only encounter is my account keep signing out whenever I do this test on the game while I close the tab completely without many bc tab remained open. This is odd for me because other casino usually let me stay sign in even if I close my tab for a long period as long as my internet connection is still connected.

Try to find other user with same case as users to provide a better justification that this bug is happening on other user too. Much better if the user is high rank here to avoid being accused of alt account just to prove your case.