Would you invest in BTC or MicroStrategy MSTR?

[mindrust]

No I wouldn’t invest in MSTR. It is because MSTR can do unexpected things in the future and I don’t really trust Michael Saylor. I would rather hold my own btc instead. Michael might dump his coins, or not, or maybe he will ddo something completely against btc. You can’t know that. Why would I trust him with my money? He is not the best money manager out there and he is not the second best. As far as I know MSTR is not even an investment company. It is a software company. Buying MSTR because they hold btc is like buying TSLA for the same reason. It doesn’t make any sense

[Wind_FURY]

No I wouldn’t invest in MSTR. It is because MSTR can do unexpected things in the future and I don’t really trust Michael Saylor. I would rather hold my own btc instead. Michael might dump his coins, or not, or maybe he will ddo something completely against btc. You can’t know that. Why would I trust him with my money? He is not the best money manager out there and he is not the second best. As far as I know MSTR is not even an investment company. It is a software company. Buying MSTR because they hold btc is like buying TSLA for the same reason. It doesn’t make any.

Understandable, and there will be those critics that will say that MSTR is a "shitcoin" because "Why is Chad Saylor not doing stock buy-backs, but he's instead he's selling MSTR to buy Bitcoin"?

Those people don't understand that buying Bitcoin for MicroStrategy's vaults INCREASES the value of MSTR for the owners of MSTR stock. Increasing value for the holders of the stock is also in fact Michael Sayor's DUTY as the executve chairman.

[Natsuu]

The answer depends on your goals. If your main goal is to make money and the concept of Bitcoin isn't significant to you, then MSTR is the better choice. However, if you value having full control over your life and funds, then Bitcoin is the preferred option.

Right. Choosing between investing in BTC or MSTR depends on your style and tolerance for risk. MSTR's been riding high, thanks to their BTC stash and leverage but that comes with extra risk. BTC's more of a wild ride with its ups and downs but its decentralized vibe gives some peace of mind. MSTR's got the benefit of MicroStrategy's leadership but BTC's been around longer and has its own reputation. In the end, it's a trade-off between control and potential rewards versus trust and stability. It's like choosing between surfing a wave or cruising on a steady boat

[HenryRomp]

Would you invest in BTC or [insert anything here]?

..... BTC of course

[DanWalker]

The answer depends on your goals. If your main goal is to make money and the concept of Bitcoin isn't significant to you, then MSTR is the better choice. However, if you value having full control over your life and funds, then Bitcoin is the preferred option.

Right. Choosing between investing in BTC or MSTR depends on your style and tolerance for risk. MSTR's been riding high, thanks to their BTC stash and leverage but that comes with extra risk. BTC's more of a wild ride with its ups and downs but its decentralized vibe gives some peace of mind. MSTR's got the benefit of MicroStrategy's leadership but BTC's been around longer and has its own reputation. In the end, it's a trade-off between control and potential rewards versus trust and stability. It's like choosing between surfing a wave or cruising on a steady boat

I don't agree with you two. I don't want to lie, my main goal when investing in bitcoin is profit, profit is what I care about and prioritize the most. But I wouldn't invest in MSTR because there's no guarantee their stock will yield higher returns than bitcoin. Have you ever thought about what would happen to our investment if their business suffered and their company went bankrupt? Meanwhile, even if bitcoin is dumped, it will still recover and grow at a higher level. I will ignore the issue of privacy and decentralization, I will still choose bitcoin because it offers better returns and less risk.

[Kelward]

Investing in Bitcoin and storing it in a secure wallet is the safest option. The reason is that it is decentralized and is not being controlled by a single entity. MSTR might be able to generate a higher return but it is not decentralized as it is controlled by Microstrategy. When you invest in Bitcoin you get the real product which is Satoshi whereas with MSTR you will only get a paper in return. If you think in the long term investing in Bitcoin will be more profitable than a stock in Bitcoin.

One of the safest investments that I know and can recommend to anybody is Bitcoin, because it's decentralized and not owned by a single entity, unlike MSTR that's owned by microstrategy, that is a private company, and their investors earnings will depend on their profit and lose. Bitcoin investment is more secured if an investor leaves his Bitcoin in a none custodial wallet, where he has total the autonomy to his coins, and despite how price dips, it'll always reach now ATH, so far it's hodled on the long run. Ofcourse an investor can invest what he can afford to loose on the short term in MSTR.

[kryptqnick]

I think the ETFs made the bull market come faster than anticipated, but that it would have happened without them anyway. Some forum members are concerned with accumulation of Bitcoin by investment funds because it leaves fewer coins circulating in a natural decentralized form, so holding Bitcoin instead of using an investment fund can be a way to support the decentralization cause. Also, I feel like buying Bitcoin is easier and more accessible because you purely rely on yourself and there's pretty much no lower limit to it, so it's another argument in favour of Bitcoin. Not to mention the obvious note of actually owning your coins when they are in a non-custodial wallet.

[leeboy]

I would invest in btc just because you can do it outside of the system, you don't need financial institutes for it

[Jawhead999]

Would you invest in BTC or [knowledge]?

What will you choose?

I don't agree with you two. I don't want to lie, my main goal when investing in bitcoin is profit, profit is what I care about and prioritize the most. But I wouldn't invest in MSTR because there's no guarantee their stock will yield higher returns than bitcoin. Have you ever thought about what would happen to our investment if their business suffered and their company went bankrupt? Meanwhile, even if bitcoin is dumped, it will still recover and grow at a higher level. I will ignore the issue of privacy and decentralization, I will still choose bitcoin because it offers better returns and less risk.

Investing is surely the main objective to earn profit, but the reason why Bitcoin can survive, recover and grow are because decentralization, lightweight, transparent, secure and some privacy. If there are no asset can offer new uniqueness or better than Bitcoin, Bitcoin will never be replaced or forgotten.

Those people don't understand that buying Bitcoin for MicroStrategy's vaults INCREASES the value of MSTR for the owners of MSTR stock. Increasing value for the holders of the stock is also in fact Michael Sayor's DUTY as the executve chairman.

In the end, it's nothing different than Bitcoin ETFs, MSTR might be more dangerous than ETFs because they don't have any rule to own Bitcoin, so they can sell the coins whenever they want.

[bitLeap]

The answer depends on your goals. If your main goal is to make money and the concept of Bitcoin isn't significant to you, then MSTR is the better choice. However, if you value having full control over your life and funds, then Bitcoin is the preferred option.

Right. Choosing between investing in BTC or MSTR depends on your style and tolerance for risk. MSTR's been riding high, thanks to their BTC stash and leverage but that comes with extra risk. BTC's more of a wild ride with its ups and downs but its decentralized vibe gives some peace of mind. MSTR's got the benefit of MicroStrategy's leadership but BTC's been around longer and has its own reputation. In the end, it's a trade-off between control and potential rewards versus trust and stability. It's like choosing between surfing a wave or cruising on a steady boat

what you said could be true sir because if you look at the risk the probability is almost the same, and my personal view if given the question between you choose it is better to invest in BTC or in MSTR, of course I will choose to invest directly in BTC rather than in MSTR, because the reason is that I know how to apply BTC and keep it safe and if it is urgently needed I can liquidate it quickly, unlike in MSTR when we have a larger number of shares then we need to have a queue and other procedural withdrawal things that I think are quite complicated if I need it quickly.

And OP, i think ask the majority who discuss bitcoin here, surely people will answer it's better to invest in Bitcoin directly because they know.

[Chris1520]

I would like to know your views on investing in BTC and MSTR:
1-Do you choose to invest in BTC or MSTR? Why?
2-Will MSTR continue to generate better returns than BTC?
3-Is an investment in MSTR safer than an investment in BTC?

1 : I did hesitate last week and consider buying some MSTR shares. Quite frankly, my main reason for this hesitation was simply based on the hope of higher returns with MSTR than BTC. As of now, I am 100% fully allocated in BTC. I've finally decide to stay focus with my original plan, stay fully allocated to BTC.
The reason is, more than simply returns, I believe in everything that BTC has to offer, and holding BTC is my way to be an activist fighting for the good fight. I believe in decentralisation, economic freedom, self sovereignty, ethical investment, sound money, and these are all aspect that BTC, and BTC only, can offer for the people. A public company cant. So as much as I love Michael Saylor, my vote goes for BTC only.

[Moreno233]

I think this is just like comparing storing your money in centralized exchange and in a self custodian wallet. Buying the stock of MicroStrategy might seem more profitable at a glance but in reality, holding the real Bitcoin is better because the risk in the stock is magnified when Bitcoin price drops because majority of their company's worth is in Bitcoin. There is no guarantee that when the shares drops during bear market, it will rise again when bull market returns. On the contrary, during bear market, Bitcoin value in personal wallet may reduce but the quantity remain the same and when bull season comes, the price will recover. So, I am more comfortable with holding Bitcoin than the shares of a company that holds Bitcoin.

[ChiBitCTy]

Every time bitcoin has one of its "blow-ups", I will get random calls and or text messages asking to speak with me about it.  Much of my family and friends know that I'm (at least in their minds) a bitcoin "expert" (which I am not) as well as a financial advisor, and want to speak with me about it all.

One such recent phone call was with my best gf's step father who I was just told "wanted to speak with me about bitcoin".  After about a 30mn conversation, we mostly just spoke about MicroStrategy and it was mainly me trying to explain how it's NOT the same as owning bitcoin.  It's a stock, with a company behind it, which is nothing like bitcoin.  So, if you're interested in bitcoin, buy it straight up or through an ETF.

[darkangel11]

I won't invest in MSTR for the same reason why I won't buy ETF. I don't need that. I don't need to make my bitcoin position more risky by turning some of my bitcoin into a stock option.
I don't see it as a safer investment than bitcoin and I'm not greedy. If it makes 5% more than BTC so what? I'm not going to catch the BTC top anyway, I'm not even going to try, so my real realized profit will for sure be far from the top of both Microstrategy stock and bitcoin. If we make $200k this year I'll maybe turn a bit of my bitcoin holdings into the things I need, but it will be a few % so what difference does it make if I do it 10% below the top or 20%?

[thecodebear]

Microstrategy simply trades as leveraged bitcoin. In a bear market people are down on it so they sell it below the company's btc holdings. But now while people are excited about bitcoin they buy it far beyond the company's bitcoin holdings. It's a more risky, leveraged play on Bitcoin. Personally I'd rather just hold bitcoin than take on that risk. I suppose in a retirement account I would probably split some of the portfolio between Microstrategy and the ETFs. But for money not in a retirement account, money that can go anywhere, I'd rather just own Bitcoin itself. But certainly for people who want to do this leveraged sort of play you can make more than with bitcoin itself if you are buying microstrategy during bear market and selling during bull market.

[AmoreJaz]

Microstrategy simply trades as leveraged bitcoin. In a bear market people are down on it so they sell it below the company's btc holdings. But now while people are excited about bitcoin they buy it far beyond the company's bitcoin holdings. It's a more risky, leveraged play on Bitcoin. Personally I'd rather just hold bitcoin than take on that risk. I suppose in a retirement account I would probably split some of the portfolio between Microstrategy and the ETFs. But for money not in a retirement account, money that can go anywhere, I'd rather just own Bitcoin itself. But certainly for people who want to do this leveraged sort of play you can make more than with bitcoin itself if you are buying microstrategy during bear market and selling during bull market.

I would go for owning bitcoin myself. At least, you have all the freedom what to do with your btc portfolio. And if you badly need it, you can also easily cash it out in your own time. This is also best, if you are already familiar with this market because you can do anything what you want to do with your holdings. If it is under third party financial companies, for me, treat it as not your own btc because you still need to do some transactions before you can really get it our from their hands. Do remember, "not your keys, not your coins."

[Wind_FURY]

Those people don't understand that buying Bitcoin for MicroStrategy's vaults INCREASES the value of MSTR for the owners of MSTR stock. Increasing value for the holders of the stock is also in fact Michael Sayor's DUTY as the executve chairman.

In the end, it's nothing different than Bitcoin ETFs, MSTR might be more dangerous than ETFs because they don't have any rule to own Bitcoin, so they can sell the coins whenever they want.

BUT if Chad Saylor decides to sell some Bitcoin, it would be in profit and what is his fiduciary duty as executive chairman of MicroStrategy? To increase value for the holders of the stock of the company, WHICH could mean stock buy-backs or capital allocation into other forms of investment that will be profitable for the company. Plus will he truly be a TROLL like Elon Musk? I believe not.

[Vincom]

Microstrategy simply trades as leveraged bitcoin. In a bear market people are down on it so they sell it below the company's btc holdings. But now while people are excited about bitcoin they buy it far beyond the company's bitcoin holdings. It's a more risky, leveraged play on Bitcoin. Personally I'd rather just hold bitcoin than take on that risk. I suppose in a retirement account I would probably split some of the portfolio between Microstrategy and the ETFs. But for money not in a retirement account, money that can go anywhere, I'd rather just own Bitcoin itself. But certainly for people who want to do this leveraged sort of play you can make more than with bitcoin itself if you are buying microstrategy during bear market and selling during bull market.

Like you, I really love BTC, but I'm not too extreme in my investment. We invest to make a profit, and any asset that has value and the potential to generate legitimate profit deserves to be on an investor's watchlist, including BTC, BTC spot ETFs, and MSTR or stocks of BTC mining companies.

BTC can be seen as an extremely safe investment and has the potential to generate stable profits every 4 years.

Spot ETFs are easy to participate in and have a value linked to BTC.

MSTR is the stock of the most famous company related to BTC, even more famous than Coinbase on the stock market.

Each investor will choose for themselves a way to allocate capital that suits their risk appetite. I don't think there is any portfolio that is perfect for everyone.

[hatshepsut93]

• In terms of credibility: some view MicroStrategy, a well-established company, as a more credible investment than BTC itself. They believe investors gain exposure not just to BTC but also to the experience of MicroStrategy's leadership ^[4]. However, Bitcoin's strength lies in its decentralized nature. Existing for over a decade, it operates independently of any individual, company, or government. This decentralization fosters trust for many investors, myself included, compared to a traditional public company.

If BTC falls, Microstrategy will fall too, ever since they started getting involved with BTC their stock became tied to BTC price. However, Microstrategy is also perfectly capable of screwing things up on their own, like dabbling into altcoins, dumping their BTC, and in general doing stupid decisions. So compared to BTC it's extra risky, since it has all the risks of BTC plus their own.

[tabas]

I've read that they've bought again this plummet and that's around 9000+ BTCs again.

Do you choose to invest in BTC or MSTR? Why?

I'll choose to do it on BTC and will have my money entrusted on it than to invest on their stock that also buys Bitcoin. You see the loop there? if you can invest and buy BTC while you're going to invest to a company that continuously buys it and then the gains will mostly go to them and through their stock or share, they'll distribute that profits wherein you can maximize that profit by having BTC in your own custody.