PytagoraZ & komisariatku are alts

[nutildah]

Preface:

I waited 2 months to post this but couldn't because both of these accounts had loans with shasan that they kept re-extending. Anyway, now that they are both fully paid, I hope you enjoy this little revelation I had. Its a story about one of the most obnoxious "newbies" in recent history, and who would have guessed it, turns out he wasn't actually a newbie at all.


Well this is funny. Saw this post just now:



which was quickly deleted and replaced with this:

We are called humans because we have human nature.

Actually, I think we have human nature because we are called humans.  

Human is human... Lol

Note that while both komisariatku and PytagoraZ regularly post in the Indonesian board, komisariatku doesn't have a tag from JollyGood whereas Pytagoraz does. So why would komisariatku bother to chime in to the thread, making a comment about JollyGood apropos of nothing? It's simple really. Because he forgot he wasn't logged into the Pytagoraz account at the time.

I now feel dumb for having given Pytagoraz the benefit of the doubt that he was actually a newbie, as he claimed many times before, even going so far as to open a thread titled "I'am a newbie", LOL.

Yes.. i think jollygood is too arrogant and he likes that. For now, in my opinion, making trash posts is better than finding other people's mistakes, other people are make a trash posts for signature campaigns, Jolly also does the same thing, finding other people's faults for signature campaigns.

Maybe I'm new, but still I'm free to judge Jolly, just like he's free to judge me, the difference is only 1, he can tag me while I can't. not fair indeed. But I know that the judgment thread cannot be opened freely without preliminary evidence and preliminary analysis. So what are you doing wrong, is such an wrong not worth for tag? it is an abuse of your status as a DT, just like a judge judges people without proof, you can be accused of defaming people. I think we all use positive law theory
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More fraudulent talk about how PytagoraZ is a newbie:

hello I'm PytagoraZ, I'm a beginner. I've read some of the rules here. I think this forum has a lot of rules.

I'm just a newbie

I'm still a beginner here, because I just came to the forum about a few months ago.

And it was pretty dumb to develop an attitude over how "smart" they were for a "newbie":

Honestly, I'm wondering, am I the one learning too fast or are they learning too slow?

These two accounts have also exchanged a few merits in the past:

https://bpip.org/smerit.aspx?from=komisariatku&to=PytagoraZ
https://bpip.org/smerit.aspx?from=PytagoraZ&to=komisariatku


Here's another instance where he forgot he was logged in as komisariatku:

https://ninjastic.space/post/62372680
https://ninjastic.space/post/62372682

Here's more background on the extent he went to claim he was a fast-learning noob in order to get merits, basically:

PytagoraZ's own "Judgment Thread": https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5458785.0

I'm not sure about being enrolled in the same campaign together, but they have cheated in a few contests together.

Sinbad price prediction contest:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5469314.msg63018262#msg63018262
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5469314.msg63047226#msg63047226

BC.Game football contest:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5484822.msg63650307#msg63650307
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5484822.msg63678769#msg63678769

I think the contest cheating, exchange of merits, and attempts to coax merits under the pretext that they are a newbie is enough to issue red tags on both accounts.

Both accounts are welcomed to defend themselves in this discussion.

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[PytagoraZ]

This is my mistake. komisariatku and I come from the same city and we meet occasionally. I used his laptop when I met at the cafe and read many threads there, I didn't realize I was replying using komisariatku account. He scolded me for this, if you want to give a tag, please give it to me and don't give it to komisariatku

That's what actually happened and I apologize to komisariatku for my mistake

[Don Pedro Dinero]

Great job as usual for you, nutildah. For some reason I have PytagoraZ on my ignore list, so I'm not surprised by this revelation that he's a cheater. For some reason I have PytagoraZ on my ignore list, so I'm not surprised by this revelation that he's a cheater. komisariatku is actually a name that doesn't ring a bell.

But very curious about people who have alts to cheat and forget which one they are typing with, I've seen it several times already. In the end they end up getting caught.

I've temporarily removed him from ignore and I see he comes up with the usual excuse: he's my brother/cousin/friend but we're not the same person.

[PytagoraZ]

Great job as usual for you, nutildah. For some reason I have PytagoraZ on my ignore list, so I'm not surprised by this revelation that he's a cheater. For some reason I have PytagoraZ on my ignore list, so I'm not surprised by this revelation that he's a cheater. komisariatku is actually a name that doesn't ring a bell.

But very curious about people who have alts to cheat and forget which one they are typing with, I've seen it several times already. In the end they end up getting caught.

I've temporarily removed him from ignore and I see he comes up with the usual excuse: he's my brother/cousin/friend but we're not the same person.

It seems you don't like me because of my comments in your thread : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5474406.msg63172302#msg63172302

Are you angry because of my comment?

[komisariatku]

I already suspected that sooner or later this would happen. @pytagoraz, you told me that everything would be fine, it was your fault.

I have no defense in this matter. Please ask everything to Pytagoraz

I had an alt account in the past, but I haven't used it for a long time and even forgot the password for that account

[PytagoraZ]

I already suspected that sooner or later this would happen. @pytagoraz, you told me that everything would be fine, it was your fault.

I'm so sorry, I'll try to explain to them. I sent you a message, please reply. Sorry because you must be very angry with me

[Plaguedeath]

Sometimes I wonder why people don't want to give a clarification before they get caught? why they choose to hide it instead of publish it and give the evidence as much as possible? if they afraid with the feedback after they post the clarification, I think they shouldn't need to be fear because they know they're not alts, no?


Hats off for posting this report after they successfully pay off their loans.

[yahoo62278]

Going to be very hard for either of you to dispute this. If it was just merit sharing, it might get overlooked, but cheating contests is never a good idea. Curious to see more of this unfold myself now. Good job @nutildah

[jokers10]

Note that while both komisariatku and PytagoraZ regularly post in the Indonesian board, komisariatku doesn't have a tag from JollyGood whereas Pytagoraz does. So why would komisariatku bother to chime in to the thread, making a comment about JollyGood apropos of nothing? It's simple really. Because he forgot he wasn't logged into the Pytagoraz account at the time.

I know nothing about PytagoraZ, but komisariatku is a name I remember. Earlier when I was searching for different interconnections between different accounts involved in shady things (like AI usage, campaign cheating, etc), I found that this account is tightly connected with account seller and AI user asrinur (who is surprisingly posting in Indonesian sections also). I didn't have time to finish my investigation, so I'll leave blockchain interconnections here.

asrinur
↔️ 0x86Ad36da59310683CfE8C2c66e798D2e636413fF — proof — archive.org
-> 0xB7C4f1bEc401288D228869a4efa11DeCEB57c5c9
---> 0x5bE8e318c483DA653d951f796AD78cB52dD55e3F pentol86 (Indonesian) — proof — archive.org
---> 0x3921F61051F8A5ff8f92872B17E9b2dB7A2f9867 asrinur
-> 0xC3810547971dA024517516051BB2D32fE3F2B225 cyberdg (Indonesian) — proof — archive.org  razor92 (Indonesian) — proof — archive.org
---> 0x58C3EeA664aC3533536B2C8443b3ddF969Ce061F komisariatku (Indonesian) — proof — archive.org
---> 0xeD912251C5B8862378B33a77BD5fe08dfF4D63ec coklat gurih — proof
---> 0x67CbC1953BbA62dAD8a9Ecf9Ce7c97082FDC45d8 havi agasa (Indonesian) — proof — archive.org
---> 0xa3438804f8EE626BdFc14b2727E9eb5fea04640a komisariatku
---> 0x0e6c84212CdaaAf11932361f00AD8FA83B51DB17 akbarharyadi8 (Indonesian) — proof — archive.org
---> 0x75fBccF6c51d87eE26983820baB12386429B60AC nyupangcoin (Indonesian) — proof
-> 0x5bE8e318c483DA653d951f796AD78cB52dD55e3F pentol86
---> 0x7e6E0c1246e91519676E12051cF72E68D63550c3 Hagz (Indonesian) — proof — archive.org
---> 0x58C3EeA664aC3533536B2C8443b3ddF969Ce061F komisariatku
---> 0x26824863E476e1FBc505F1e4CF2EDaAFAAF8Fa06 tu_kang (Indonesian) — proof — archive.org komisariatku
-> 0xF416bc1684cCcA5d791e0867B8F9041818Cc7FB6
---> 0x5bE8e318c483DA653d951f796AD78cB52dD55e3F pentol86
---> 0xa3438804f8EE626BdFc14b2727E9eb5fea04640a komisariatku

So, there are 11 accounts connected via blockchain:
asrinur
pentol86
cyberdg
razor92
komisariatku
coklat gurih
havi agasa
akbarharyadi8
nyupangcoin
Hagz
tu_kang

[Don Pedro Dinero]

I see the theatre that PytagoraZ/komisariatku is trying to put on as ridiculous, as if they were two different people. In the end, as so often happens, the first thing we see is only the tip of the iceberg and it would not be surprising if the data that jokers10 has revealed ends up proving more.

[komisariatku]

So, there are 11 accounts connected via blockchain:

asrinur ~ My friend's account and he has sold the account
pentol86 ~ My friend's account and that account were hacked
cyberdg ~ My friend's account and the account are still held by the original owner
razor92 ~ I do not know him
komisariatku ~ me
coklat gurih ~ I do not know him
havi agasa  ~ My friend's account and the account are still held by the original owner
akbarharyadi8 ~ I do not know him
nyupangcoin ~ I do not know him
Hagz ~ My friend's account and the account are still held by the original owner
tu_kang ~ my alt

[pinggoki]

asrinur ~ My friend's account and he has sold the account
pentol86 ~ My friend's account and that account were hacked
cyberdg ~ My friend's account and the account are still held by the original owner
razor92 ~ I do not know him
komisariatku ~ me
coklat gurih ~ I do not know him
havi agasa  ~ My friend's account and the account are still held by the original owner
akbarharyadi8 ~ I do not know him
nyupangcoin ~ I do not know him
Hagz ~ My friend's account and the account are still held by the original owner
tu_kang ~ my alt

You've got some explaining to do, not just saying that you don't know their accounts or that they're your friend's accounts, the unknown ones I'm the most curious of because if you don't know them then how come they're connected to you? It's not like your address and the unknown addresses interacted without your knowledge after all. Regarding those friends, they're going to be hard to prove that they're really the accounts of your friends, it could be a case where you're letting others use your account to cheat the forum in some way.

[PytagoraZ]

I see the theatre that PytagoraZ/komisariatku is trying to put on as ridiculous, as if they were two different people. In the end, as so often happens, the first thing we see is only the tip of the iceberg and it would not be surprising if the data that jokers10 has revealed ends up proving more.

What exactly do you want to convey? has no value at all, like your useless thread that you finally locked and you're angry because I don't agree with your thread. lol

[komisariatku]

asrinur ~ My friend's account and he has sold the account
pentol86 ~ My friend's account and that account were hacked
cyberdg ~ My friend's account and the account are still held by the original owner
razor92 ~ I do not know him
komisariatku ~ me
coklat gurih ~ I do not know him
havi agasa  ~ My friend's account and the account are still held by the original owner
akbarharyadi8 ~ I do not know him
nyupangcoin ~ I do not know him
Hagz ~ My friend's account and the account are still held by the original owner
tu_kang ~ my alt

You've got some explaining to do, not just saying that you don't know their accounts or that they're your friend's accounts, the unknown ones I'm the most curious of because if you don't know them then how come they're connected to you? It's not like your address and the unknown addresses interacted without your knowledge after all. Regarding those friends, they're going to be hard to prove that they're really the accounts of your friends, it could be a case where you're letting others use your account to cheat the forum in some way.

I don't know that account, so what should I say? In 2017 I had many friends on campus who joined the forum and we even rented a house together. If you don't believe me, please come to my place and I will meet you with the owner of the account above that I know.

[Rikafip]

This is my mistake. komisariatku and I come from the same city and we meet occasionally. I used his laptop when I met at the cafe and read many threads there, I didn't realize I was replying using komisariatku account. He scolded me for this, if you want to give a tag, please give it to me and don't give it to komisariatku

But it didn't happen only once (not that it would make your story more belieavable) as it happened (at least) two times now. And even if it did happen again, why didn't you deleted the whole post since your wrote with the wrong acount instead just editing it?

Anyway, you should have come with the better story or at least admit it instead coming with something as far fetched as this.

[Plaguedeath]

asrinur ~ My friend's account and he has sold the account
pentol86 ~ My friend's account and that account were hacked
cyberdg ~ My friend's account and the account are still held by the original owner
razor92 ~ I do not know him
komisariatku ~ me
coklat gurih ~ I do not know him
havi agasa  ~ My friend's account and the account are still held by the original owner
akbarharyadi8 ~ I do not know him
nyupangcoin ~ I do not know him
Hagz ~ My friend's account and the account are still held by the original owner
tu_kang ~ my alt

I don't know that account, so what should I say? In 2017 I had many friends on campus who joined the forum and we even rented a house together. If you don't believe me, please come to my place and I will meet you with the owner of the account above that I know.

Oh well...

[shasan]

This is my mistake. komisariatku and I come from the same city and we meet occasionally. I used his laptop when I met at the cafe and read many threads there, I didn't realize I was replying using komisariatku account. He scolded me for this, if you want to give a tag, please give it to me and don't give it to komisariatku

That's what actually happened and I apologize to komisariatku for my mistake

What an excellent lie you can tell. You were offline and you had no communication with me. Then I asked komisariatku whether s/he has communication with you or not but s/he has told me no personal contact.

Please be more smart man.

@nutildah one more thing you missed:
They took extensions repeatedly and stopped any repayment at the same time and both repaid almost the same time (less than 24 hours).

I already suspected that sooner or later this would happen. @pytagoraz, you told me that everything would be fine, it was your fault.

I have no defense in this matter. Please ask everything to Pytagoraz

I had an alt account in the past, but I haven't used it for a long time and even forgot the password for that account

You are supporting the same as PytagoraZ if so why you told like below image:

[komisariatku]

This is my mistake. komisariatku and I come from the same city and we meet occasionally. I used his laptop when I met at the cafe and read many threads there, I didn't realize I was replying using komisariatku account. He scolded me for this, if you want to give a tag, please give it to me and don't give it to komisariatku

That's what actually happened and I apologize to komisariatku for my mistake

What an excellent lie you can tell. You were offline and you had no communication with me. Then I asked komisariatku whether s/he has communication with you or not but s/he has told me no personal contact.

Please be more smart man.

@nutildah one more thing you missed:
They took extensions repeatedly and stopped any repayment at the same time and both repaid almost the same time (less than 24 hours).

I already suspected that sooner or later this would happen. @pytagoraz, you told me that everything would be fine, it was your fault.

I have no defense in this matter. Please ask everything to Pytagoraz

I had an alt account in the past, but I haven't used it for a long time and even forgot the password for that account

You are supporting the same as PytagoraZ if so why you told like below image:

I cut off contact with him and chose not to know him because of the mistakes he made.

[FatFork]

Well, I guess we always knew there was something fishy with the PytagoraZ account (he was distrusted by at least four DT members shortly after joining the community), and that he isn't who he claimed to be. This only confirms our suspicions. Nice find @nutildah!

@PytagoraZ, your explanation is certainly convenient, but not very convincing and is very difficult to prove. Especially considering you've repeated the same mistake at least twice.

I cut off contact with him and chose not to know him because of the mistakes he made.

That doesn't explain the lie about "never communicating with him in person."

[komisariatku]

That doesn't explain the lie about "never communicating with him in person."

Because I knew this would happen and it would be his fault. I'm not a good person who easily forgets his actions. So I chose not to deal with it.