PytagoraZ & komisariatku are alts

[PytagoraZ]

This is my mistake. komisariatku and I come from the same city and we meet occasionally. I used his laptop when I met at the cafe and read many threads there, I didn't realize I was replying using komisariatku account. He scolded me for this, if you want to give a tag, please give it to me and don't give it to komisariatku

But it didn't happen only once (not that it would make your story more belieavable) as it happened (at least) two times now. And even if it did happen again, why didn't you deleted the whole post since your wrote with the wrong acount instead just editing it?

Anyway, you should have come with the better story or at least admit it instead coming with something as far fetched as this.

What do I have to admit? komisariatku and I have very different posting patterns. The only thing that connected me and him were those two posts, and when everything was still fine, I met him several times and he was one of my mentors so I sometimes used his laptop when I met.

That doesn't explain the lie about "never communicating with him in person."

Because I knew this would happen and it would be his fault. I'm not a good person who easily forgets his actions. So I chose not to deal with it.

So sorry bro and please reply my message

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[Lucius]

This is my mistake. komisariatku and I come from the same city and we meet occasionally. I used his laptop when I met at the cafe and read many threads there, I didn't realize I was replying using komisariatku account. He scolded me for this, if you want to give a tag, please give it to me and don't give it to komisariatku

That's what actually happened and I apologize to komisariatku for my mistake

I have read various stories in which members write various excuses when they are caught cheating with alt accounts, but this belongs to the very top of human stupidity if it is true. Two people meet in a public place, one of them connects to public wi-fi and logs into his BTT account and allows the other to write posts using the same account

Regardless of whether there is any truth in it, everything else that comes to the surface now only pushes you deeper into the hole that you unfortunately dug yourself. What could possibly absolve you of the charges is the possibility of the admin viewing your IP address (in case you did not use VPN/Tor), but also if you were not intelligent enough and use the same IP address for both accounts, it would definitely be the last proof that would end this story.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

So, there are 11 accounts connected via blockchain:

asrinur ~ My friend's account and he has sold the account
pentol86 ~ My friend's account and that account were hacked
cyberdg ~ My friend's account and the account are still held by the original owner
razor92 ~ I do not know him
komisariatku ~ me
coklat gurih ~ I do not know him
havi agasa  ~ My friend's account and the account are still held by the original owner
akbarharyadi8 ~ I do not know him
nyupangcoin ~ I do not know him
Hagz ~ My friend's account and the account are still held by the original owner
tu_kang ~ my alt

Wow.  Just fucking wow.  It amazes me when there are a bunch of "friends" (presumably in real life?) who happen to also be members of a particular forum....and they all get connected as alt accounts.  This is as far as I've gotten in this thread, but you can be damn sure I'm going to read this until it gets locked.

I have noted that PytagoraZ has requested post history reviews from me in the past, but not any of the above accounts that I can remember--but I haven't checked.  This thread is really making me lean toward ditching my offer altogether and going back to giving out merits the old way, while reading random posts.

[yahoo62278]

So, there are 11 accounts connected via blockchain:

asrinur ~ My friend's account and he has sold the account
pentol86 ~ My friend's account and that account were hacked
cyberdg ~ My friend's account and the account are still held by the original owner
razor92 ~ I do not know him
komisariatku ~ me
coklat gurih ~ I do not know him
havi agasa  ~ My friend's account and the account are still held by the original owner
akbarharyadi8 ~ I do not know him
nyupangcoin ~ I do not know him
Hagz ~ My friend's account and the account are still held by the original owner
tu_kang ~ my alt

Wow.  Just fucking wow.  It amazes me when there are a bunch of "friends" (presumably in real life?) who happen to also be members of a particular forum....and they all get connected as alt accounts.  This is as far as I've gotten in this thread, but you can be damn sure I'm going to read this until it gets locked.

I have noted that PytagoraZ has requested post history reviews from me in the past, but not any of the above accounts that I can remember--but I haven't checked.  This thread is really making me lean toward ditching my offer altogether and going back to giving out merits the old way, while reading random posts.

Shit like this is why I stopped helping users rank up via the count down to next rank thread. So many farms in there so I realized it's better to avoid the thread altogether and see how they do without the passive beg thread.

[LoyceV]

This is my mistake. komisariatku and I come from the same city and we meet occasionally. I used his laptop when I met at the cafe and read many threads there, I didn't realize I was replying using komisariatku account.

Yeah, this happens to me all the time. I go to a cafe, get drunk, and give anyone I meet full access to my laptop to have fun on the internet on my account. It's a common mistake, can happen to anyone

asrinur ~ My friend's account and he has sold the account
pentol86 ~ My friend's account and that account were hacked
cyberdg ~ My friend's account and the account are still held by the original owner
havi agasa  ~ My friend's account and the account are still held by the original owner
Hagz ~ My friend's account and the account are still held by the original owner

What's wrong with your OPSEC if you discuss a forum related to your finances with that many friends IRL?

[Rikafip]

komisariatku and I have very different posting patterns.

Even if you do have very different posting patters (which I don't think is the case), that woulnd't help you much, considering the all the evidence stacked against you and him. Hell, he denied in his conversation with shasan even knowing you.

I can certainly understand why you did what you did (the fact that you can make a solid living in Indonesia via signature campaigns), but at least man it up instead trying to make these kind of excuses that doesnt't paint you in favorable light.

[SmartGold01]

I think this took you almost 2 to 3 months to make proper finding haven gone through your explanation I noticed you are correct although I am not good at account finding unlike sis lovesmayfamilis, but from the evidence you provided shows clearly that both account is being operated by one single user. However, multiple account or alt account or merits abuse should only be given a neutral tag instead of negative tag. If could recall correctly from some post over here that speaks about neutral tags but for event cheating then tag is allowed to be given any one caught up.

[Bitcoin_Arena]

I don't know why I am laughing so hard after looking back at what the drama and Reputation board loving newbie said back then 

OMG.... Looks like a lot of people are starting to see me. That is dangerous. How can you do that? Please teach me

Wkwkwkw.... The reputation thread is currently interesting on the rby case. I was quite interested in it.. until I forgot what time it was

It sounded fun and sarcastic back then, but I guess not anymore, ain't that right PytagoraZ? Told you, the attention seeking would haunt you one day, here we are.

[shasan]

Shit like this is why I stopped helping users rank up via the count down to next rank thread. So many farms in there so I realized it's better to avoid the thread altogether and see how they do without the passive beg thread.

There might be a few alt accounts that might be ranked up if you help but the majority of the people who will rank up aren't alt accounts. So to punish those alt accounts it should not be stopped for those who have a single account.

I think this took you almost 2 to 3 months to make proper finding haven gone through your explanation

He took a long time to avoid the loss of the lender (me) as there was an active loan to both accounts.

However, multiple account or alt account or merits abuse should only be given a neutral tag instead of negative tag.

You are correct but they cheated by joining on same contest.

[komisariatku]

asrinur ~ My friend's account and he has sold the account
pentol86 ~ My friend's account and that account were hacked
cyberdg ~ My friend's account and the account are still held by the original owner
havi agasa  ~ My friend's account and the account are still held by the original owner
Hagz ~ My friend's account and the account are still held by the original owner

What's wrong with your OPSEC if you discuss a forum related to your finances with that many friends IRL?

As far as I know, they rarely go online anymore because they can't compete for merit.

In 2017/2018 we often distributed small amounts of eth for transaction fees on ethereum. This is what causes the connection between accounts. But you can see our posting pattern is very different. I admit I have an alt, namely tu_kang, which I created in 2017 too.

So, there are 11 accounts connected via blockchain:

asrinur ~ My friend's account and he has sold the account
pentol86 ~ My friend's account and that account were hacked
cyberdg ~ My friend's account and the account are still held by the original owner
razor92 ~ I do not know him
komisariatku ~ me
coklat gurih ~ I do not know him
havi agasa  ~ My friend's account and the account are still held by the original owner
akbarharyadi8 ~ I do not know him
nyupangcoin ~ I do not know him
Hagz ~ My friend's account and the account are still held by the original owner
tu_kang ~ my alt

Wow.  Just fucking wow.  It amazes me when there are a bunch of "friends" (presumably in real life?) who happen to also be members of a particular forum....and they all get connected as alt accounts.  This is as far as I've gotten in this thread, but you can be damn sure I'm going to read this until it gets locked.

I have noted that PytagoraZ has requested post history reviews from me in the past, but not any of the above accounts that I can remember--but I haven't checked.  This thread is really making me lean toward ditching my offer altogether and going back to giving out merits the old way, while reading random posts.

Shit like this is why I stopped helping users rank up via the count down to next rank thread. So many farms in there so I realized it's better to avoid the thread altogether and see how they do without the passive beg thread.

It's not account farming, I've admitted that I have an alt. I've seen you often for a long time and you definitely know how the bounty phenomenon forces someone to ask for a little eth for transaction fees.

Don't any of you have IRL friends who join forums or teach neighbors or friends about forums? It's strange that every connection is considered an account farm. except that no one really invites someone to join forums or teaches about bitcoin in the real world

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Don't any of you have IRL friends who join forums or teach neighbors or friends about forums?

No.  Not a single one, and that's why I find it incredibly hard to believe--especially since this particular forum has had a major problem with account farming, alt accounts abusing campaigns/bounties, and alt accounts contributing to the overall low quality of discussion here.  Let Occam's Razor slice your way through to the truth, no?

On the other hand, I have no idea what communities are like in other countries or if the younger generation (which I am assuming you are a part of) would be more likely to be into bitcoin and tell a friend about bitcointalk.  Still, even as I wrote that sentence the thought that popped into my head was why someone would tell somebody else about this forum--and it'd probably be "Hey, did you know you can get paid to write posts?". 

There's not enough reasonable doubt here IMO, but I'm not tagging any accounts either.

[komisariatku]

Don't any of you have IRL friends who join forums or teach neighbors or friends about forums?

No.  Not a single one, and that's why I find it incredibly hard to believe--especially since this particular forum has had a major problem with account farming, alt accounts abusing campaigns/bounties, and alt accounts contributing to the overall low quality of discussion here.  Let Occam's Razor slice your way through to the truth, no?

On the other hand, I have no idea what communities are like in other countries or if the younger generation (which I am assuming you are a part of) would be more likely to be into bitcoin and tell a friend about bitcointalk.  Still, even as I wrote that sentence the thought that popped into my head was why someone would tell somebody else about this forum--and it'd probably be "Hey, did you know you can get paid to write posts?". 

There's not enough reasonable doubt here IMO, but I'm not tagging any accounts either.

Yes, so the most correct ones are those who are silent and never actually promote anything in the real world.

In 2017 there were many collaborations in working on ICO campaigns. some have alt accounts, including me and I've admitted it here. Some of them are just bounty hunters, others start participating in ICOs, and there are also those who suck up ICOs to collect bitcoins. This is what actually happens and not all connected accounts are account farms. They are really a group and if someone has an alt then usually they only have no more than 2 accounts, that's what I know and I know there are 3 bounty hunter groups which now most of them have sold their accounts, maybe I'm the only one who is active

My mistake was meeting Pytagoraz where at that time I didn't want to teach anyone about bitcoin because it would be dangerous for my account

[nutildah]

This is my mistake. komisariatku and I come from the same city and we meet occasionally. I used his laptop when I met at the cafe and read many threads there, I didn't realize I was replying using komisariatku account. He scolded me for this, if you want to give a tag, please give it to me and don't give it to komisariatku

That's what actually happened and I apologize to komisariatku for my mistake

Sorry but this makes no fucking sense at all and I don't believe it for one second. You borrowed his laptop and started posting from his account? What kind of etiquette or relationship is that? Anything but a believable one.

This is definitely the nail in the coffin for your ridiculous story:

What an excellent lie you can tell. You were offline and you had no communication with me. Then I asked komisariatku whether s/he has communication with you or not but s/he has told me no personal contact.

Please be more smart man.

Finally, one last thing:

Lol  

It seems you forgot that you were logging in with your alt account to answer posts from BlackBoss_, I saw your unedited post.

So this guy also accidentally logged into his friend's account too, right? Every time this kind of thing happens, its just a simple case of friends sharing machines and posting under each other's accounts on accidents, right?


I will take a closer look at the komisariatku alt connections next.

[komisariatku]

This is my mistake. komisariatku and I come from the same city and we meet occasionally. I used his laptop when I met at the cafe and read many threads there, I didn't realize I was replying using komisariatku account. He scolded me for this, if you want to give a tag, please give it to me and don't give it to komisariatku

That's what actually happened and I apologize to komisariatku for my mistake

Sorry but this makes no fucking sense at all and I don't believe it for one second. You borrowed his laptop and started posting from his account? What kind of etiquette or relationship is that? Anything but a believable one.

This is definitely the nail in the coffin for your ridiculous story:

What an excellent lie you can tell. You were offline and you had no communication with me. Then I asked komisariatku whether s/he has communication with you or not but s/he has told me no personal contact.

Please be more smart man.

Finally, one last thing:

Lol  

It seems you forgot that you were logging in with your alt account to answer posts from BlackBoss_, I saw your unedited post.

So this guy also accidentally logged into his friend's account too, right? Every time this kind of thing happens, its just a simple case of friends sharing machines and posting under each other's accounts on accidents, right?


I will take a closer look at the komisariatku alt connections next.

That's what happened. Because he made a big mistake, I decided not to communicate with him anymore and chose never to know him.

You can check it and maybe you will find many accounts connected but in reality I only have the alt tu_kang account, the other accounts are not mine. When I was in college I rented a house with 4 friends who all had accounts on this forum. asrinur, cyberdg, another one forgot the account name. asrinur has sold his account, and cyberdg is still owned by the original owner

Maybe I also participated in some of the same bounty campaigns in 2017, I forget. Since I started to understand the working rules of the forum, I decided to leave my alt account. I know what I explain will have no effect, and you don't need to bother checking it because I've already explained all the truth.

[Little Mouse]

@shasan
Isn't it the same user we talked about a loan asked by komisariatku from me? I see why you have warned me. Thank you a lot.

Both are immediately removed from my campaign now. @Pytagoraz, you won't receive any payment for this current week unless you can convince the community and remove the tag. You both have cheated a contest.

[nutildah]

That's what happened. Because he made a big mistake, I decided not to communicate with him anymore and chose never to know him.

BUT YOU JUST SAID THIS:



Remember??

So you were lying to shasan then, or you are lying to all of us now? Which one is it? Because you are definitely a liar one way or the other.

You will not weasel your way out of this one. Better get to work bettering your other alt accounts, the ones I don't know about anyway, because I am definitely tagging the ones I can connect, shortly.

[Plaguedeath]

So... can we trust the words that comes from a cheater?

tu_kang ~ my alt

#JOIN

Bitcointalk username: komisariatku
Link to your post:
http://id-bitcointalk.blogspot.co.id/2017/10/terra-miner-kesempatan-berinvestasi.html
ETH address: 0xa3438804f8EE626BdFc14b2727E9eb5fea04640a

#JOIN

Bitcointalk username: tu_kang
Link to your post: https://forumbitcoin.co.id/threads/ann-ico-terraminer-the-first-mining-farm-in-which-anyone-can-invest.37181/
ETH address: 0x26824863E476e1FBc505F1e4CF2EDaAFAAF8Fa06

The campaign they joined [BOUNTY][ICO] TerraMiner - The First mining farm in which anyone can invest.


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oWq7-pDlH5jN6EzkP3G693VhmJM55GH4u_ApPy--y6Q/edit#gid=49074262

Edit:
There's a blog created by tu_kang, in his blog there are few articles using Bahasa, English and Korea. Do you really able to speak Korea or you're just using google translate?


https://medium.com/@tu_kang

[komisariatku]

That's what happened. Because he made a big mistake, I decided not to communicate with him anymore and chose never to know him.

BUT YOU JUST SAID THIS:



Remember??

So you were lying to shasan then, or you are lying to all of us now? Which one is it? Because you are definitely a liar one way or the other.

You will not weasel your way out of this one. Better get to work bettering your other alt accounts, the ones I don't know about anyway, because I am definitely tagging the ones I can connect, shortly.

I lied to shasan because I didn't want to contact pythagoras again.

I honestly admit that my alt account is tu_kang. I don't own anything else, the accounts mentioned above belong to my friends and some I don't know at all.

So... can we trust the words that comes from a cheater?

tu_kang ~ my alt

#JOIN

Bitcointalk username: komisariatku
Link to your post:
http://id-bitcointalk.blogspot.co.id/2017/10/terra-miner-kesempatan-berinvestasi.html
ETH address: 0xa3438804f8EE626BdFc14b2727E9eb5fea04640a

#JOIN

Bitcointalk username: tu_kang
Link to your post: https://forumbitcoin.co.id/threads/ann-ico-terraminer-the-first-mining-farm-in-which-anyone-can-invest.37181/
ETH address: 0x26824863E476e1FBc505F1e4CF2EDaAFAAF8Fa06

The campaign they joined [BOUNTY][ICO] TerraMiner - The First mining farm in which anyone can invest.


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oWq7-pDlH5jN6EzkP3G693VhmJM55GH4u_ApPy--y6Q/edit#gid=49074262

The conditions in 2017 and now are very different. I have admitted that I participated in the same bounty in 2017/2018. Do you know how to flag spam ICO projects? that happens often and we also lose because we are cheated by the Ico project. I still remember the price of Centra fell overnight and many of my friends who followed the ICO lost their funds

But nevermind. nothing has changed. This will only increase your posting quota.

[LoyceV]

Don't any of you have IRL friends who join forums or teach neighbors or friends about forums?

No! I strictly separate online activities from IRL activities. That's why I'm not using my real name here.

It's strange that every connection is considered an account farm. except that no one really invites someone to join forums or teaches about bitcoin in the real world

If I would have a real world connection here, let's say my wife would join, I'd announce it to prevent any accusations in the future. I'm not sure yet if I'd Merit her: even if the posts are worth it, I don't like conflicts of interests.

[komisariatku]

Don't any of you have IRL friends who join forums or teach neighbors or friends about forums?

No! I strictly separate online activities from IRL activities. That's why I'm not using my real name here.

It's strange that every connection is considered an account farm. except that no one really invites someone to join forums or teaches about bitcoin in the real world

If I would have a real world connection here, let's say my wife would join, I'd announce it to prevent any accusations in the future. I'm not sure yet if I'd Merit her: even if the posts are worth it, I don't like conflicts of interests.

Noted. Meaning it's better to keep quiet in real life and not have to tell anyone about forum, bitcoin, campaign, or anything else in the forum. I will remember your words.

My wife doesn't have an account here. Only my college friends who used to share a rented house had it. I guarantee that the connection will only occur in 2017 and 2018.

I actually wanted to say that I have had alts in the past and wanted to apologize on the reputation board but I didn't because that would just be like suicide. Because not all DTs are like you, so please do what you want to do. I just want to continue the discussion and now I don't have to hide like before