PytagoraZ & komisariatku are alts

[ineedhelpplease]

If these accounts are all your “friends” explain this.

I have been trying to get many people to join bitcointalk every once in a while for months because I told them it can make them money. Most of them didn’t even bother and only one joined just to hire indians for some illegal project. Absolutely no one cared to make campaign money or talk about the purpose of bitcoin or crypto advice none of that. Literally NO one cared

I used to care too about making money here but lost interest with trying anymore.

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[komisariatku]

If these accounts are all your “friends” explain this.

I have been trying to get many people to join bitcointalk every once in a while for months because I told them it can make them money. Most of them didn’t even bother and only one joined just to hire indians for some illegal project. Absolutely no one cared to make campaign money or talk about the purpose of bitcoin or crypto advice none of that. Literally NO one cared

I used to care too about making money here but lost interest with trying anymore.

What do I need to explain? You can find out what the 2017/2018 bounty system is like, there are no merit requirements and everyone can take part in the campaign. In the beginning all projects look good and in the end they all turn out to be scams. Joining a campaign is not as difficult as it is now.

I've explained that I have 1 alt and I admit it. The rest are accounts belonging to my friends and I have tried to invite them to be active again but they failed to get merit and are busy with their own real work.

Now it's very difficult and I admit, especially for those who don't have a particular interest and knowledge so it's very difficult to get people to join. I even failed to encourage my younger brother who is still in college to be active because he never received merit and didn't like discussing things.

[FatFork]

That's what happened. Because he made a big mistake, I decided not to communicate with him anymore and chose never to know him.

But what actually happened? You haven't explained the situation, and frankly, it's unbelievable. Friends with PytagoraZ in real life? Coworkers, classmates, spill it. He used your laptop in a cafe? Why on earth would you let him? Your laptop likely holds more than login credentials - personal stuff, financial data. That would mean that you trusted him to the point of giving him unrestricted access to your digital life? Why?  Then you lied to Shasan about even knowing the guy? Why? When? What big mistake? Details matter.

A believable story needs specifics. You're not giving any, and with your past history of lying when convenient, there's no reason to believe you now.

[Awaklara]

I've explained that I have 1 alt and I admit it. The rest are accounts belonging to my friends and I have tried to invite them to be active again but they failed to get merit and are busy with their own real work.

and you've been trying to cheat the campaign from the start with your alt. and you invite the people you call friends to cheat like you did too?
you build a farm of accounts under the pretext of your friends.

I will show you how you have cheated with your alt.

tu_kang ~ my alt

when your account and alt join the Centra campaign in 2017.

This is good project... im joined and support for this project. Good luck dev

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I am interested in this project. Im joined blog bounty
Good luck dev 

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if you are trying to educate your friends about forums. then how do you explain the wrong behavior you committed by cheating on the campaign?
Would you advise your friends to create as many accounts as possible and join one campaign to get more benefits?

[NotATether]

Sigh.

You might be able to make a reasonable case if there was only two accounts involved but 11? All connected via blockchain transactions? Come on man. I'm finding it hard to believe that they're all friends, even if you don't know some of these accounts.

And why are they engaging with an account seller in the first place? You know that this is a frowned-upon activity.

[komisariatku]

That's what happened. Because he made a big mistake, I decided not to communicate with him anymore and chose never to know him.

But what actually happened? You haven't explained the situation, and frankly, it's unbelievable. Friends with PytagoraZ in real life? Coworkers, classmates, spill it. He used your laptop in a cafe? Why on earth would you let him? Your laptop likely holds more than login credentials - personal stuff, financial data. That would mean that you trusted him to the point of giving him unrestricted access to your digital life? Why?  Then you lied to Shasan about even knowing the guy? Why? When? What big mistake? Details matter.

A believable story needs specifics. You're not giving any, and with your past history of lying when convenient, there's no reason to believe you now.

I met him about 4x. and we talked a lot about the forum and I reminded him not to get involved in the discussion on the reputation board.

He opened my laptop several times and opened the forum of course with my account. I have warned him not to comment using my account. he only said once that it was wrong to comment using my account, he didn't tell me anything else. He even wanted to buy my bitcoins from signature payments when he was still a member but I refused because of course it would be dangerous.

He worked in the village government and I contract workers In the sub-district government, at first I didn't know each other until he saw me opening a forum.

However, I'm sure this won't change anything because I already admitted my mistake in 2017/2018 and at that time I was just a bounty hunter who didn't know the forum rules at all.

After being active again last year I started reading the forum rules and now I understand them but I still can't hide my ownership of my alt account in the past because it was recorded on ninjastic.

Maybe I survived from the mass neg trust that occurred the previous year because at that time I was no longer active. I can only apologize for my mistakes in the past and I also lost a lot of money that I got from the bounty campaign due to participating in ico scam and because my eth account was hacked

I've explained that I have 1 alt and I admit it. The rest are accounts belonging to my friends and I have tried to invite them to be active again but they failed to get merit and are busy with their own real work.

and you've been trying to cheat the campaign from the start with your alt. and you invite the people you call friends to cheat like you did too?
you build a farm of accounts under the pretext of your friends.

I will show you how you have cheated with your alt.

tu_kang ~ my alt

when your account and alt join the Centra campaign in 2017.

This is good project... im joined and support for this project. Good luck dev

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I am interested in this project. Im joined blog bounty
Good luck dev  

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if you are trying to educate your friends about forums. then how do you explain the wrong behavior you committed by cheating on the campaign?
Would you advise your friends to create as many accounts as possible and join one campaign to get more benefits?

The conditions in 2017/2018 and now are very different. Bounty campaigns are not as easy as before and are quite promising. I never even read the forum rules at that time because I mostly followed blog campaigns

If you want to search, maybe there were more mistakes I made in the past, maybe there were more than 5 times I participated in the same campaign. I actually wanted to admit my mistakes in the past but I didn't because it would be the same as killing my account sooner than now

The tu_kang account seems to have been hacked because I can't open the account anymore and the last post wasn't the one I posted but I can't do anything because it's just an alt account and reporting the alt account is the same as committing suicide so I chose to forget it and not try to access it again

Sigh.

You might be able to make a reasonable case if there was only two accounts involved but 11? All connected via blockchain transactions? Come on man. I'm finding it hard to believe that they're all friends, even if you don't know some of these accounts.

And why are they engaging with an account seller in the first place? You know that this is a frowned-upon activity.

I don't know why it can be connected to 11 accounts but as far as I remember, I rented a house with Asrinur, cyberdg, and another one I forgot the name of the account. as far as I remember I only sent eth to these 3 accounts the rest I don't know unless they have alt accounts which I don't know about. Havi Agasa and Hagz are also people I know but we have different friendship circles

Asrinur decided to quit the forum and decided to sell his account, I know very well when he sold his account because we still communicate frequently. Now we are far apart and they already have their own small families

I just looked at the accounts of several members who commented and it turns out they were registered in the year after 2018. In 2017/2018 there were a lot of cheaters, maybe I was one of them and most of us don't know what DT is and what are the forum rules. we only focus on doing bounty tasks. At that time it was really difficult, bro, maybe we cheated but we were also cheated by the ICO project. This is an annoying, complicated, and completely unfavorable condition

But since you are a famous member, perhaps you know the history of that era. It was a good and bad time.

[lovesmayfamilis]

If these accounts are all your “friends” explain this.

I have been trying to get many people to join bitcointalk every once in a while for months because I told them it can make them money. Most of them didn’t even bother and only one joined just to hire indians for some illegal project. Absolutely no one cared to make campaign money or talk about the purpose of bitcoin or crypto advice none of that. Literally NO one cared

I used to care too about making money here but lost interest with trying anymore.

It all depends on the country of residence and the standard of living. In fact, Indonesia was found to have a lot of farming accounts as well as a lot of selling accounts that were specifically developed for selling. Previously, account sales were overlooked, and they were not always condemned.
During the bounty, many accounts made good money in 2017, and I am sure that this type of income was well discussed with friends. Therefore, you shouldn’t be surprised that, yes, people came here in whole groups.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2104378.msg23010770#msg23010770


But I am once again convinced that if JollyGood thinks something, it doesn’t seem to him, and he is often right.
Moreover, if Nutildah takes over the search, then cheaters have virtually no chance of getting out.

I've interacted with PytagoraZ several times and am now very disappointed in it. A truly loud appearance on stage, since he declared himself a lot, sometimes ends in scenes of shame.
Modesty is beautiful; PytagoraZ, accept it.

[Rikafip]

Don't any of you have IRL friends who join forums or teach neighbors or friends about forums?

I do have several very good IRL friends who I know for more than 30 years and who are members of this forum (they are those who suggested me to come here in the first place) but not even once it cross my mind to sit at their computer when I was at their place and write forum posts and vice versa.

Thing is, basically all those who were caught abusing forum rules via alt accounts claim that those are their friends or family members, and while that may sometime be the case, no one will believe them anymore as this excuse has been used so much.

[komisariatku]

Don't any of you have IRL friends who join forums or teach neighbors or friends about forums?

I do have several very good IRL friends who I know for more than 30 years and who are members of this forum (they are those who suggested me to come here in the first place) but not even once it cross my mind to sit at their computer when I was at their place and write forum posts and vice versa.

Thing is, basically all those who were caught abusing forum rules via alt accounts claim that those are their friends or family members, and while that may sometime be the case, no one will believe them anymore as this excuse has been used so much.

I have admitted wrongdoing and ownership of my alt account. Maybe I don't deserve to be forgiven but all the connections I had in 2017/2018. That's when I didn't know anything and I was just a bounty hunter. Beautiful times to remember as well as bad times. I know there are no second chances here

I once taught another college friend to join the forum and even bought him a new laptop at the end of 2017, but when he registered, the merit system came and he failed to increase his account ranking.

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tu_kang ~ my alt

It seems that you not only have @tu_kang, you also have another Alt named: @Maftukh, you can see the telegram that you use in Bounty.

1. Maftukh

Proof:

Bitcointalk username: maftukh
Telegram username: @rarasmaftukhah

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Post by: komisariatku

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Usename: komisariatku
telegram username: @rarasmaftukhah

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cyberdg ~ My friend's account and the account are still held by the original owner
razor92 ~ I do not know him

And what you see is another lie from your words between @cyberdg and @razor92, this clearly proves that both of them are Alt, I'm sure you know these two accounts.

Bitcointalk Username: razor92
Telegram Username: @efi2806
ETH Wallet Address: 0xC3810547971dA024517516051BB2D32fE3F2B225

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Join Content Bounty Campaign
Bitcointalk URL: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1052260
Username Bitcointalk: cyberdg
ETH Address : 0xC3810547971dA024517516051BB2D32fE3F2B225

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Here proves that your words do not match the evidence here.

[komisariatku]

tu_kang ~ my alt

It seems that you not only have @tu_kang, you also have another Alt named: @Maftukh, you can see the telegram that you use in Bounty.

1. Maftukh

Proof:

Bitcointalk username: maftukh
Telegram username: @rarasmaftukhah

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Post by: komisariatku

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Usename: komisariatku
telegram username: @rarasmaftukhah

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cyberdg ~ My friend's account and the account are still held by the original owner
razor92 ~ I do not know him

And what you see is another lie from your words between @cyberdg and @razor92, this clearly proves that both of them are Alt, I'm sure you know these two accounts.

Bitcointalk Username: razor92
Telegram Username: @efi2806
ETH Wallet Address: 0xC3810547971dA024517516051BB2D32fE3F2B225

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Join Content Bounty Campaign
Bitcointalk URL: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1052260
Username Bitcointalk: cyberdg
ETH Address : 0xC3810547971dA024517516051BB2D32fE3F2B225

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Here proves that your words do not match the evidence here.

maftukh is not my account, but she is the one I taught about bounties, he was active for a while. I borrowed the account temporarily because it was never used again by the original owner. You could say it was my alt, but I forgot to log in to the account and only used it briefly

I just found out that razor is a cyberdg alt, he never told me that before. I also don't know if I ever sent eth to a Razor address, but I admit I sent to a cyberdg eth address. You can see that our posting patterns are very different because we are not the same person and I'm not lying about that

[ineedhelpplease]

What do I need to explain? You can find out what the 2017/2018 bounty system is like, there are no merit requirements and everyone can take part in the campaign. In the beginning all projects look good and in the end they all turn out to be scams. Joining a campaign is not as difficult as it is now.

I've explained that I have 1 alt and I admit it. The rest are accounts belonging to my friends and I have tried to invite them to be active again but they failed to get merit and are busy with their own real work.

Now it's very difficult and I admit, especially for those who don't have a particular interest and knowledge so it's very difficult to get people to join. I even failed to encourage my younger brother who is still in college to be active because he never received merit and didn't like discussing things.

Alright my bad for failing to know about the older requirements. If I continued stalking people here and not quit for school I would’ve known, I already know most of the prominent members here and a lot of events but somehow I missed out on that. However though there’s so many accounts that it’s basically hella suspicious along with the clear proof provided by nutildah. Sorry man but it’s pretty clear you’re guilty for multiple things and not just the past of using a singular alt.

If you are in the 0.01% chance of innocence then you need some SERIOUS proof. Like provide whatever you can at this point. If he is really your friend, just facecam both of yourselves to a trusted member(Nutildah is trusted) WHILE both of you being logged on, checking IPS too live so you aren’t faking anything. Being real here, no amount of words you post here will save you or convince people to believe you. You need evidence, not just words. And unfortunately the only proof you can provide is all personal IRL information, but it’s still better than nothing and typing stuff that’s most likely untrue and near impossible to believe based on all the evidence found by the community

[komisariatku]

What do I need to explain? You can find out what the 2017/2018 bounty system is like, there are no merit requirements and everyone can take part in the campaign. In the beginning all projects look good and in the end they all turn out to be scams. Joining a campaign is not as difficult as it is now.

I've explained that I have 1 alt and I admit it. The rest are accounts belonging to my friends and I have tried to invite them to be active again but they failed to get merit and are busy with their own real work.

Now it's very difficult and I admit, especially for those who don't have a particular interest and knowledge so it's very difficult to get people to join. I even failed to encourage my younger brother who is still in college to be active because he never received merit and didn't like discussing things.

Alright my bad for failing to know about the older requirements. If I continued stalking people here and not quit for school I would’ve known, I already know most of the prominent members here and a lot of events but somehow I missed out on that. However though there’s so many accounts that it’s basically hella suspicious along with the clear proof provided by nutildah. Sorry man but it’s pretty clear you’re guilty for multiple things and not just the past of using a singular alt.

If you are in the 0.01% chance of innocence then you need some SERIOUS proof. Like provide whatever you can at this point. If he is really your friend, just facecam both of yourselves to a trusted member(Nutildah is trusted) WHILE both of you being logged on, checking IPS too live so you aren’t faking anything. Being real here, no amount of words you post here will save you or convince people to believe you. You need evidence, not just words. And unfortunately the only proof you can provide is all personal IRL information, but it’s still better than nothing and typing stuff that’s most likely untrue and near impossible to believe based on all the evidence found by the community

I've mentioned my mistakes in the past and I don't sugarcoat them. In the past, most bounty hunters were cheaters, even bounty managers at that time were also cheaters. The conditions are very different from now, I'm sure nutildah knows those dark times and alt accounts were something that almost everyone had, especially at the end of 2017 and the beginning of 2018. One of the managers that I still remember and is still active today is irfan_pak, he is very thorough in assessing blog campaigns, I am often accepted into his campaigns because I have never plagiarized and my previous base was a blogger so I had no difficulty in writing articles well enough without having to plagiarize.

[ineedhelpplease]

I've mentioned my mistakes in the past and I don't sugarcoat them. In the past, most bounty hunters were cheaters, even bounty managers at that time were also cheaters. The conditions are very different from now, I'm sure nutildah knows those dark times and alt accounts were something that almost everyone had, especially at the end of 2017 and the beginning of 2018. One of the managers that I still remember and is still active today is irfan_pak, he is very thorough in assessing blog campaigns, I am often accepted into his campaigns because I have never plagiarized and my previous base was a blogger so I had no difficulty in writing articles well enough without having to plagiarize.

Ok, I believe you on that. That can help a little since a track record of honesty is good. but that is only a little drop proven compared to everything else here. What Im trying to say is unbelievable is how these are all your irl “friends” including the account that Nutildah is accusing you of being. You could be innocent everywhere else but it wouldn’t really matter at all if you can’t disprove the important key accusations made from this thread.

You need to go out of your way and do what I said in my previous post if you are really innocent, and that includes your “friend” following the advice too. It is your only way to provide definitive proof that you aren’t the person running the other account. And it will prove that you two are different people.

[komisariatku]

I've mentioned my mistakes in the past and I don't sugarcoat them. In the past, most bounty hunters were cheaters, even bounty managers at that time were also cheaters. The conditions are very different from now, I'm sure nutildah knows those dark times and alt accounts were something that almost everyone had, especially at the end of 2017 and the beginning of 2018. One of the managers that I still remember and is still active today is irfan_pak, he is very thorough in assessing blog campaigns, I am often accepted into his campaigns because I have never plagiarized and my previous base was a blogger so I had no difficulty in writing articles well enough without having to plagiarize.

Ok, I believe you on that. That can help a little since a track record of honesty is good. but that is only a little drop proven compared to everything else here. What Im trying to say is unbelievable is how these are all your irl “friends” including the account that Nutildah is accusing you of being. You could be innocent everywhere else but it wouldn’t really matter at all if you can’t disprove the important key accusations made from this thread.

You need to go out of your way and do what I said in my previous post if you are really innocent, and that includes your “friend” following the advice too. It is your only way to provide definitive proof that you aren’t the person running the other account. And it will prove that you two are different people.

Video call? it will ruin my privacy and nutildah, it's not that easy guys and I never knew there was such a way because most people don't like kyc and guard their privacy

[ineedhelpplease]

Video call? it will ruin my privacy and nutildah, it's not that easy guys and I never knew there was such a way because most people don't like kyc and guard their privacy

As much of a privacy ruining decision that is(to one singular trusted person who wont share your face/voice to anyone), its still the only effective way of proving your innocence, especially with all the undeniable proof stacked up brought by everyone here and the "irl" defense being used repeatedly.

It's not exactly like KYC where they straight up ask for your legal ID (which has.. everything)

[nutildah]

Video call? it will ruin my privacy and nutildah, it's not that easy guys and I never knew there was such a way because most people don't like kyc and guard their privacy

As much of a privacy ruining decision that is(to one singular trusted person who wont share your face/voice to anyone), its still the only effective way of proving your innocence, especially with all the undeniable proof stacked up brought by everyone here and the "irl" defense being used repeatedly.

Nope, I would never condone that sort of thing or ask anybody to participate in it. All the evidence necessary to prove these two accounts are alts can already be found on the forum & its archives. One's personal privacy should never have to be invaded for the purpose of these types of investigations.

komisariatku seems to be telling one lie after another -- just utterly shameless that each lie becomes more ridiculous than the last. I will not be removing these tags.

[komisariatku]

Video call? it will ruin my privacy and nutildah, it's not that easy guys and I never knew there was such a way because most people don't like kyc and guard their privacy

As much of a privacy ruining decision that is(to one singular trusted person who wont share your face/voice to anyone), its still the only effective way of proving your innocence, especially with all the undeniable proof stacked up brought by everyone here and the "irl" defense being used repeatedly.

Nope, I would never condone that sort of thing or ask anybody to participate in it. All the evidence necessary to prove these two accounts are alts can already be found on the forum & its archives. One's personal privacy should never have to be invaded for the purpose of these types of investigations.

komisariatku seems to be telling one lie after another -- just utterly shameless that each lie becomes more ridiculous than the last. I will not be removing these tags.

I'm not surprised by your answer because nothing will change even though I can prove it with a video call.

I have also admitted my true mistake. So you have every reason to tag me.



 

[ineedhelpplease]

Nope, I would never condone that sort of thing or ask anybody to participate in it. All the evidence necessary to prove these two accounts are alts can already be found on the forum & its archives. One's personal privacy should never have to be invaded for the purpose of these types of investigations.

komisariatku seems to be telling one lie after another -- just utterly shameless that each lie becomes more ridiculous than the last. I will not be removing these tags.

Well it’s more than obvious that the story is unbelievable so far but personally I’d let anyone who is willing to go that far to prove their innocence to just let them do so even if it’s to a far extent. For a situation like this where it’s basically open and shut, providing some strong proof(privately of course) to justify the claims made by him is better on his side than to look like a clown on the forums with his livelihood ruined trying to disprove(with poor evidence and mere words) against an open and shut case with near undeniable proof of the connection. I just simply showed him a better way to help effectively prove his claims (I doubt it too, most of the people on these forums who have been caught try to lie their way out instead of being honest, which would at least make them look like a normal individual)

I'm not surprised by your answer because nothing will change even though I can prove it with a video call.

I have also admitted my true mistake. So you have every reason to tag me.
 

I wouldn’t have posted that publicly, private is the way to go.

If you look back people have said some unbelievable excuses and have always ended up looking like a bozo while trying to disprove the truth. I appreciate that you’re at least trying here with proof for this situation and not just using words against extremely strong proof, along with the lie you told and other things the community has gathered isn’t helping your case as well.

An image(which can be faked photoshopped whatever) is not the way to go though, but it’s better than absolutely nothing.

If you are innocent and really want to prove it, the only suggestion I can tell you is to keep going with this and not post any sensitive info publicly here. Otherwise honestly it is simply almost impossible to believe your side considering the clear evidence they gathered against you. To everyone here, this story you shown is unbelievable so far. You were literally caught posting on the wrong account, why would you have your “irl friends” log in info? You were also caught lying in this thread too, another huge red flag only furthering thinning the ice on any remaining person who has a glimmer of hope for your words here

[lovesmayfamilis]

I'm not surprised by your answer because nothing will change even though I can prove it with a video call.

I have also admitted my true mistake. So you have every reason to tag me.
 

I wouldn’t have posted that publicly, private is the way to go.

If you look back people have said some unbelievable excuses and have always ended up looking like a bozo while trying to disprove the truth. I appreciate that you’re at least trying here with proof for this situation and not just using words against extremely strong proof, along with the lie you told and other things the community has gathered isn’t helping your case as well.

An image(which can be faked photoshopped whatever) is not the way to go though, but it’s better than absolutely nothing.

If you are innocent and really want to prove it, the only suggestion I can tell you is to keep going with this and not post any sensitive info publicly here. Otherwise honestly it is simply almost impossible to believe your side considering the clear evidence they gathered against you. To everyone here, this story you shown is unbelievable so far. You were literally caught posting on the wrong account, why would you have your “irl friends” log in info? You were also caught lying in this thread too, another huge red flag only furthering thinning the ice on any remaining person who has a glimmer of hope for your words here

You were told that publishing personal information is unsafe and there is no need. Why do you advise something that makes absolutely no sense? Whoever is on the other side of the screen should not show themselves. The forum adheres to confidentiality.
On the other hand, just imagine that there are a lot of farmers on the forum, and many have received negative tags. Is it possible to believe the evidence of cheaters who bring a friend, mom, and dad, as well as their cat, to a video call, but only one person will remain the true owner?
Don't forget, this is the internet, and we can be anything in the plural.

I wouldn’t have posted that publicly, private is the way to go.

Better study the forum rules and learn the multi-posting rule.
32. Posting multiple posts