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March 25, 2024, 12:20:11 PM |
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I am an African, but I bet you if we begin to talk the African thing today there are a lot of things that are going to evolve which we might not be able to handle here. The African problem is actually more than the corrupt leaders that we are accusing. This set of politicians were not like this from the beginning, our forefathers we are upright and truthful and not very close to corruption but after the emergence of the westerners many things changed about our culture and believe. The corrupt leaders learnt the wrong way and they are unable to do without what they learn while the teachers have actually changed from the way of corruption. The African problem is more than Colonization, it is a long orchestrated conspiracy and it will not change any time soon. It is African that can save themselves and they can't do this when they are heavily dependent on their oppressors.
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March 25, 2024, 12:49:40 PM |
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The problem of Africa, is bad leadership, somehow corrupt politicians keep recycling in African politics, and I feel like it's some external forces that have made it to remain so, we in Africa, have people that will change the fortunes of their countries from poverty to prosperity, but they won't be given the chance to rule. We have cabals that control African politics, and they determine who rules their country, unless these mafias who don't have the interest of their countries are rooted out, even elections can't produce good leadership, because they'll rig it. It's very sad that despite the intelligent people that has what it takes to make African economies to be like China, and other developed countries, it's still mediocres and criminals that continues to rule us.
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March 25, 2024, 01:46:05 PM |
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The world second largest and second most populated continent after Asia, is a blessed continent filled with natural and minerals resources with divers Culture and tribe with sub Saharan Africa being black
But as blessed as this continent is it is the most poorest and underdeveloped continent in the world, from slave trade to colonisation and now to neo colonisation Africa has been at the center of it
What is really wrong with Africa that virtually everything an African is doing there is always an element of foreign culture in it, in fact from the God we call, to the names given to African children at birthday everything about Africa is foreign
Infact our economies are so bad that we depends on European for help, this lead me to the question, does Africa really exist, infact the only thing still keeping Africa is the black skin that her population is known for I have come to the realization that the highest level of colonisation is mental colonisation because Africa is like a computer program that is running Guys what is your comment on this
Aren't they one of the most reliable sources of lithium in the planet, the very same metal we use to power the phones and devices you use to post this on bitcointalk? Also would like to add that besides precious gemstones like Diamonds and Emeralds, they are also one of the most abundant sources of silicon on the planet, which is so integral in the current setup of our technological advancement that if Africa decided they wouldn't settle with the bullshit anymore we'd literally have to start begging them? If not for the massive corruption that most African politicians commit against the countries within the African continent, the whole area would've been one of the richest territories in the planet by large. And while a lot of people might downplay the current state of Africa due to how poor the living conditions in there are, a lot of countries in the African continent have been slowly making a name for themselves and are pushing for massive reforms and globalization, it could be possible that within our lifetimes we see Africa actively partaking in the world economy, not as someone's slave, but as its own free entity.
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March 25, 2024, 02:50:59 PM |
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Oui, colonized mentally is quite hard to overcome when the people are already used to it for hundreds of years. it needs a total overhaul but this is just a continent that was already compromised even in ancient times. Egypt for example, Cleopatra was said to be installed by their rulers as she is not an Egyptian. the real Egyptians are black but Cleo was put there as pharaoh despite being a woman.
Cleopatra was a member of the Ptolemaic dynasty, the dynasty established by Alexander the Great and already 300 years old by the time the was crowned queen. Also, she was called actually Cleopatra VII Thea Philopator, and she was the 4 queen to rule Ptolemaic Egypt. So, let's not start re-writing history! Aren't they one of the most reliable sources of lithium in the planet, the very same metal we use to power the phones and devices you use to post this on bitcointalk? Also would like to add that besides precious gemstones like Diamonds and Emeralds, they are also one of the most abundant sources of silicon on the planet, which is so integral in the current setup of our technological advancement that if Africa decided they wouldn't settle with the bullshit anymore we'd literally have to start begging them?
Nope, not even close! The whole thing about wealth and how the world runs on African resources is just a myth thrown around to help some victimising themselves. https://www.visualcapitalist.com/visualizing-the-worlds-largest-lithium-producers/Rank Country Mine production 2022E (tonnes) Share (%) 1 🇦🇺 Australia 61,000 46.9% 2 🇨🇱 Chile 39,000 30.0% 3 🇨🇳 China 19,000 14.6% 4 🇦🇷 Argentina 6,200 4.8% 5 🇧🇷 Brazil 2,200 1.7% 6 🇿🇼 Zimbabwe 800 0.6% Australia produces 54 times more lithium than the whole of Africa and the US alone has more 4 times the reserves of all discoveries in Africa. Just for comparison, Africa's total mineral exports including oil and gas are barely half of those of Australia alone! Also, silicon...common, silicon makes up over 25% of the Earth's crust and is the second most abundant element on the planet after oxygen.
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March 25, 2024, 04:35:29 PM |
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Australia produces 54 times more lithium than the whole of Africa and the US alone has more 4 times the reserves of all discoveries in Africa. Just for comparison, Africa's total mineral exports including oil and gas are barely half of those of Australia alone! Also, silicon...common, silicon makes up over 25% of the Earth's crust and is the second most abundant element on the planet after oxygen.
Africa remains the best location to mine lithium for Europe. This is why China, the US and some European companies are scrambling to invest in the mining of lithium in Africa. Maybe it might be because of the following reasons. 1. Africa is closer to Europe than other major producers which will make these European mining firms save money from shipping costs. 2. You will always get better deals in Africa since the government can easily be influenced by corrupt businessmen. 3. Africa has high-grade deposits and most economic in the world, as well as presenting the least impact to the climate and lowest greenhouse gas emissions. 4. Africa is important to reduce the reliance on China for lithium. 5. Cheap labour and less concern about the effect of mining on the environment.
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March 25, 2024, 04:36:51 PM |
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Slave trade must have ended many years ago but we are still enslaved by the west. Africa has a very rich soil and bright minds but we also have corrupt and power hungry leaders that will do all it takes to get into power. Sometimes, it might involve getting in bed with the "devil" to get into power. Some of the chaos in some african countries were sponsored and financed by the west to loot the resources of the land. There are many facets to this discussion but I just want to say that we are the architects of our own misfortune. When we start thinking right and doing right, then we'll begin to see changes.
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March 25, 2024, 05:12:03 PM |
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I believe it's very unfortunate that Africa was not allowed to naturally grow and develop as a continent. It got divided by the European empires and became a source of people (slaves) and natural resources, and then when they left, they abruptly drew borders of new states that just didn't match the loyalties, cultural and ethnic rough borders that existed there. So now it's a place of a lot of failed states, a lot of violence and poverty. I believe that high-income countries which are directly responsible for colonization have an obligation to help Africa become prosperous. It's not a charity, it's more like reparations to me. I hope we'll get to see Africa really being put on the map, really getting noticed in all of its diversity.
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March 25, 2024, 05:19:10 PM |
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We can say a whole lot about Africa but let it be known that Africa underdeveloped Africa, their economies, their people, their resources and everything.
There has been a series of coup in Africa which shows that there is still hope for the continent in the near future. The new generation know that a major cause of their problems are their old politicians who are too corrupt, and then their parents who were too selfish to challenge the corrupt politicians, so that there can be a better tomorrow. With that awareness, there is hope for a better continent, there is hope for Africa.
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March 25, 2024, 05:29:50 PM |
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One important thing to note is that Africa is a continent of multiple countries are different stages in their development, you don't get to lump them up into the same economic bracket, cause that ignores the countries that are actually doing very good and are catching up fast to the rest if the world.
For the other parts of the continent which unfortunately makes up the majority, corruption has made them retrogressive. For all the minerals and resources which are available in the continent, they have been grossly mismanaged and does not reflect in the standard of living available for the populace.
Neo colonialism exists cause corruption does.
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This argument is more crucial than what the op wrote, talking about the colonialism of Africa and the economy, I will blame the European cause the colonialism really affect the nation greatly, I never read history but definitely during the time of the slave trade our forefathers do exchange their children, wife for non valuable materials but although during the time of the slave trade materials like such were highly valued. If I could trace more Africans still engage in such, exporting all kinds of organs and definitely this is not right. From my view it looks like foolishness cause why make same mistakes our forefathers did, Africans still betray their fellow blood in such act, a nation needs unity, peace, team work to progress. Even if we blame our leaders today and forever some certain mistakes should be pointed out or let's talk about the human trafficking still going on presently?. A borrowed language was never the problem but rather the mindset, the mindset literally controls our thought and if Africans never had a chance to build and grow during the past I don't think we will see a change soon. What op never indicated was the aspect of being productive, being productive is another form that can help Africa to grow, reduction of the population also, from my opinion an underdeveloped country should be given a child birth limit.
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The world second largest and second most populated continent after Asia, is a blessed continent filled with natural and minerals resources with divers Culture and tribe with sub Saharan Africa being black
But as blessed as this continent is it is the most poorest and underdeveloped continent in the world, from slave trade to colonisation and now to neo colonisation Africa has been at the center of it
What is really wrong with Africa that virtually everything an African is doing there is always an element of foreign culture in it, in fact from the God we call, to the names given to African children at birthday everything about Africa is foreign
Infact our economies are so bad that we depends on European for help, this lead me to the question, does Africa really exist, infact the only thing still keeping Africa is the black skin that her population is known for I have come to the realization that the highest level of colonisation is mental colonisation because Africa is like a computer program that is running Guys what is your comment on this
Unfortunately Africa seems to suffer from a bit of a climate problem compared to many other countries, it has a huge population but rivers and land that can be effectively farmed are limited in comparison. It also has a large part of desert areas which have gotten worse over time as people have constantly removed the ever dwindling habits for things like wood. It was exploited many decades ago by foreign powers, but never really stood a chance after more technologically advanced countries encountered the locals of the era. Even now foreign powers are constantly meddling, but even when they are not - local leaders are often corrupt and only seeking to enrich themselves and their families once in power, it's extremely hard to break out of this cycle.
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1. Africa is closer to Europe than other major producers which will make these European mining firms save money from shipping costs.
Shipping costs in distance are quite irrelevant when it comes to bulk carriers, the infrastructure to bring that to the port is what matters and that is... 3. Africa has high-grade deposits and most economic in the world, as well as presenting the least impact to the climate and lowest greenhouse gas emissions. Nope, it doesn't: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/lithium-reserves-country-top-15-184450553.htmlOut of top 15 countries the one from Africa: 15. Republic of Mali 840,000 metric tons 8. Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC): 3,000,000 metric tons have just as much lithium as Germany! 4. Africa is important to reduce the reliance on China for lithium.
Again, no, Africa has 1/50 of the lithium Australia can export, and China is importing, as per your own article: Australia, Chile and Argentina remain the key source markets for lithium but Africa is likely to supply a high proportion of the necessary minerals needed for EV rechargeable batteries. and who do you think Europe would trust for long contracts, some wannabe dictator or Australia? This reminds me of the 1 trillion rare minerals from which the US has supposedly invaded Afghanistan, and yet in 20 years they didn't mine a thing and nobody is mining them either because all those values were just blown out of proportion. Lithium is not scarce, and the price is crashing since everyone started producing it ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.talkimg.com%2Fimages%2F2024%2F03%2F25%2FJqdPl.png&t=665&c=dhSG56thIu_StQ) Minerals are not the solution, they will lead just to another Dutch disease, the solution is looking back at countries with no resources that were just as poor in the middle of the last century, Japan and South Korea. There has been a series of coup in Africa which shows that there is still hope for the continent in the near future. The new generation know that a major cause of their problems are their old politicians who are too corrupt, and then their parents who were too selfish to challenge the corrupt politicians, so that there can be a better tomorrow.
You've had coups for 60 years already on the whole continent, if that was supposed to fix something you would have interstellar travel by now, not being stuck in the same crisis.
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Blame the politicians who are being elected at their posts, and the people electing these same guys to 'lead' them.
Until the times when African electoral system will be free and fair then it won't start having leaders who are devoid of European mentality and colouration. The worse is that the foreign bodies hang on to support corrupt election that has brought in corrupt leadership because of what they stand to gain which is nepotism, favouritism and mediocre government and the people suffer because the economy will further be plunder into quagmire and dependency. Electionery is the bane to Africa leadership problem. Their election never produce good leaders and leadership is a priority for an economy to grow because of the policy that will be introduced into the system.
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Blame the politicians who are being elected at their posts, and the people electing these same guys to 'lead' them.
Until the times when African electoral system will be free and fair then it won't start having leaders who are devoid of European mentality and colouration. The worse is that the foreign bodies hang on to support corrupt election that has brought in corrupt leadership because of what they stand to gain which is nepotism, favouritism and mediocre government and the people suffer because the economy will further be plunder into quagmire and dependency. Electionery is the bane to Africa leadership problem. Their election never produce good leaders and leadership is a priority for an economy to grow because of the policy that will be introduced into the system. ever if they have good leaders their economy will never grow until they break away from their colonial masters. it's only then this 2024 that 3 nations in Saheel namely Malim, Niger and Burkina Faso kicked French and start to use their own African dollar. but since the 1940s, they have been using CFA French money til 2023. using the money of the French while the French themselves abandoned this currency. forcing them to use the French money is economic slavery and this is why these countries will remain poor. you can imagine how much manipulation can be done to their economy while using other governments' money.
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By having leaders who lead by example and prioritize national interests, we can have a continent free from the shackles of colonization, which would reflect immediately on our economy. Our leaders need to come together, brainstorm, and put their ideas together to succeed as a continent. Movements like the African Union need to be revitalized to hold our economies together before we can thrive as a nation or continent at large.
As Maitama Sule said, "Any people that leave their culture or abandon their culture will lose their respect and identity. Any people that try to emulate an alien culture will end up being a poor caricature of what they are trying to copy. They will be out of source everywhere, at home nowhere."
African leaders have left their people in the hand of white men like USA, up til now united state of America is still feeling superior over most of countries in the world especially African countries, Any country that refuse to dance to their tune will face different kind threat from united state of America. whereby we claim to have been freed from colonial masters, we claim to have gotten independence but it has not shown significant difference in our life and economy of our countries which are some of the things that are contributing to the economy of our continent Africa, because they will never allow any African country's economy to be more than theirs'. Am still surprising what the work of AU, ECOWAS is. But since they are corrupt and they don't have the interest of their people in mind, they seem to have ignored any kind of positive thought that would bring about good development to their people and continent at large. The problem of Africa, is bad leadership, somehow corrupt politicians keep recycling in African politics, and I feel like it's some external forces that have made it to remain so, we in Africa, have people that will change the fortunes of their countries from poverty to prosperity, but they won't be given the chance to rule. We have cabals that control African politics, and they determine who rules their country, unless these mafias who don't have the interest of their countries are rooted out, even elections can't produce good leadership, because they'll rig it. It's very sad that despite the intelligent people that has what it takes to make African economies to be like China, and other developed countries, it's still mediocres and criminals that continues to rule us.
If African leaders can all be like Gaddafi of Libya, Mugabe, Idris Ali of Uganda and sani abacha of Nigeria, I think things will be more better than they are now. for example sani abacha of Nigeria in his time, he was preparing to have country that is independent of united state of America and other Britain, but you know sometime in life, you don't always get all what you want, death over took him before he could have his mission complete. Nigeria up til today, is still suffering in the hand of USA. Their currency is depreciating every day. Nigeria claim to have crude oil, but the citizens of this country are complaining of high price of fuel because even this crude oil seem as if it's useless. there is not functioning refinery in a country like Nigeria that claim to have crude oil.
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Indeed most African African countries are blessed with numerous natural minerals resources. It wasn't only blessed with the naturally resources but also at the course services to manpowers and also creativities to entrepreneurship resources. The honest about the African countries being answerable to the foreign countries are being so low self-esteemed to themselves that they can't do the development to its way forward by themselves if not leaning on the foreigns and they're being awkward believing the foreigners are the stakeholders to their political geographical systems.
The most questionable issues about why African countries are being so undeveloped despites their revenue is why are the Africans being so in fond of neglecting their own potentials but chooses to embrace the foreigners? Why have the Africans chosen to insight the whiteners to be goddess of praises while I he blacks remains being pointed with the evil hands? Why don't the African leaders bring in developments Invented on their own instead of cherishing that of the foreigners? Behold, Africans are the problems of their selves because they devotes and dedicates their righteousnesses to the foreign beings instead of finding potentials of evaluations within themselves.
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colonizers may be kicked out but someone else is going to replace them. Niger for example kicked out French and US but whos going there after them? well, the newest that will stay there in the guise of having tons of investments and building their economy is China. it may not look like they win the country by war and establish the government but they are there through the businesses they put up like the BRI and most probably China will also make them use their digital Yuan in the end.
it's just a series of colonization. African countries today are starting to speak Chinese already. Oui? Correct, financial colonization is the way to go, war is no longer needed in most cases: https://www.business-standard.com/world-news/china-s-debt-diplomacy-threatens-african-countries-natural-assets-123041000009_1.htmlhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt-trap_diplomacywant to know the most basic and simple cause? here goes
simply manipulating FOREX currency exchange if african currency stayed at 1:1 of one loaf of bread in africa was same price (different currency) as 1 US loaf of bread. the economics would be fairer for africa if african currency stayed at 1hours labourUS:1hours labour africa (same price (different currency)). the economics would be fairer for africa
but by manipulating the rate where by EU/US can get food/labour and other things in multiples from africa for far less than EU/US prices. africa will always be victimised, invaded, resource/land taken and used.. because its cheaper
and on the flip side. due to the multiples of cost to get equipment and tools from US/EU it slows down africa's domestic development speed to not match that of EU/US EG if a US farmer(min wage $15) can get a new harvester for $150k (10,000 min wage labour hours) (every 5 years) EG if a african farmer(min wage $0.50) has to pay for a new harvester for $150k (300,000 min wage labour hours) deprived by 30x(~600 labour years) you soon see how forex rate does not help africans prosper but does show how the US/EU can then use the cheap equipment on their side to then become big EU owned industrial farmers of african land with 30x land plot size in africa, at just the cost of family farming plot in EU
.. yes africa exists in the world economy of resources and labour. but when ranked based on currency rate of USD, then it appears low Africa is a less developed economy/continent, so it makes sense to have cheaper currencies to attract investors... US farmers have tractors, while African farmers use cattle to plough their fields. That's why an African farmer has to work more hours and earn less. The productivity is just not the same (capital-intensive vs labor-intensive economy). AI and robots will further widen the productivity gap... If every country had 1:1 peg with the USD, then what's the point of investing in less developed economies? Everyone would invest in the US due to safety and advanced infrastructure. So far there is no conspiracy... just simple economics. What's not OK is to have an externally imposed, non-sovereign currency (CFA). That's another form of financial colonization: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/zvlzb4/togolese_human_rights_activist_explains_french/but since the 1940s, they have been using CFA French money til 2023. using the money of the French while the French themselves abandoned this currency. forcing them to use the French money is economic slavery and this is why these countries will remain poor. you can imagine how much manipulation can be done to their economy while using other governments' money. It also happens in Eurozone... strong countries control smaller ones via financial means. Btw, France never used CFA. They had a different currency (FRF) before the euro.
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I am an African, but I bet you if we begin to talk the African thing today there are a lot of things that are going to evolve which we might not be able to handle here. The African problem is actually more than the corrupt leaders that we are accusing. This set of politicians were not like this from the beginning, our forefathers we are upright and truthful and not very close to corruption but after the emergence of the westerners many things changed about our culture and believe. The corrupt leaders learnt the wrong way and they are unable to do without what they learn while the teachers have actually changed from the way of corruption. The African problem is more than Colonization, it is a long orchestrated conspiracy and it will not change any time soon. It is African that can save themselves and they can't do this when they are heavily dependent on their oppressors.
Is it also possible that this was the result of a constant increase of capitalism. Nowadays, people just put money over everything. It does not matter whether it is ethical or unethical, the important thing is to always gain money. Because money is king. Money gives you power and a place in the world. People used to have a spine and stand up for what is right but now the government is littered by people who are selfish
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It's not that Africans can't progress, it's that politicians sell Africa to outsiders and divisions easily occur among Africans themselves. You can see how much influence France, England and other colonial countries had in Africa and it even got to the point where these countries could pit African people against each other for their own interests. In fact, it is very possible for Africa to progress and be equal to other continents, but what is happening now is that the people are not very united and only think about themselves, so that makes Africa's progress very slow and its economy is not that big.
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People who underestimate Africa are people who have never checked world economy ever. You have absolutely no idea how economy works neither, because growth is the only thing that matters. Imagine being a person who is given a chance to live wherever he wants, any nation he wants, would you prefer a place like London where you have absolutely no way of finding a job that will pay enough to even cover rent let alone anything else, just to look like you earn a lot, when in reality the amount is bubbled up and yet everything costs more than your salary?
Or would you rather live in a place where things are built in a much faster pace where you have a lot more chance to be in the ground level earning a lot more because your amount may look smaller, but you spend less and you have a lot more chances to earn from almost anything?
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