AI usage, 3rd time in a few months

[Ultegra134]

Not long ago, user @nutildah, known for his campaign against AI content reported Stake's user, borovichok for AI usage in his posts, a little more than a month after user @JollyGood reported him for the same offence, along with a few other observations regarding his behaviour in regards to his posts. Thread found here.

However, this user doesn't seem to understand, or doesn't want to, or simply believes that everyone else is plain stupid, there's no other explanation. This, is going to be the third report in less than 3 months.

I could certainly find more posts, but I already spent enough time. It seems that he's still using a mixture of AI and some writing of his "personal opinion" to make it look more human-written, even though there's a distinctive difference in the grammar and tone of writing between his text and AI's.

I don't understand why in less than a month from the previous report, this user is resorting to AI usage, a third offence. We've seen other accounts get banned due to AI usage, but he's still using it like nothing happened, while there was no response from Stake manager in regards to the report against borovichok?

Another explanation may be that multiple people use the same account, or multiple accounts, which is why you can notice differences in his posts, in terms of writing style, grammar and AI usage. It's extremely evident in posts that he's expressing his opinion and in others that actually require some knowledge to answer, in terms of definitions, technical specifications etc.

Post 1.

I agree with you that chasing losses in gambling is a futile and detrimental pursuit because it often leads to further losses, complicates the gambler`s situation, and exacerbates emotional turmoil due to unrealistic expectations. When a gambler experiences defeat multiple times, the gambler should take a break rather than chase losses. I think all gamblers should recognize that gambling results in more losses than wins as this recognition can help a gambler to avoid excessive gambling and make better predictions.

The importance of understanding the negative consequences of chasing losses, a gambler can break free from the cycle of destructive behaviour associated with compulsive gambling. Instead of approaching losses with a negative mind, they can be seen as part of the game. This shift in mindset can help a gambler to develop healthier attitudes towards gambling and prevent further financial and emotional distress. A gambler can set clear limits on betting activities, practice responsible bankroll management, take breaks when needed, and focus on long-term goals rather than short-term losses.

Copyleaks: AI Content Detected
HiveModeration: The input is: likely to contain AI Generated Text 96.5%
Sapling.ai: 100% Fake
GPTZero:We are moderately confident this text is a mix of ai and human
GPTZero basically claims that the first paragraph is human written, but the second is fully written by an AI.

Post 2.

No doubt, anonymity remains a key feature of many crypto transactions, including gambling. However, regulatory pressures and increasing scrutiny have led some crypto casinos to implement Know Your Customer (KYC) procedures similar to traditional fiat casinos. This move towards compliance with regulatory standards is aimed at enhancing transparency, preventing fraud, and ensuring a safe gaming environment for all gamblers.

This shouldn’t be surprising because society is dynamic and so there is always a need to adapt to changing market dynamics. The trajectory of crypto gambling suggests a gradual alignment with regulatory frameworks to meet industry standards and address concerns around legality and player protection. While the allure of anonymity initially drew many to crypto casinos, the shifting landscape indicates a move towards greater transparency and accountability.

Copyleaks: AI Content Detected
HiveModeration: The input is: likely to contain AI Generated Text 99.9%
Sapling.ai: 100% Fake
GPTZero:We are moderately confident this text is a mix of ai and human (First sentence of second paragraph is supposedly human written).

Post 3.

Most of the problems associated with gambling can be prevented if all gamblers can gamble with limitations. Moderate gambling can go a long way to mitigate the losses in gambling and prevent addiction. Gambling can be a form of entertainment when done in a responsible and limited manner. Setting limits is one way to ensure that gambling does not become a harmful activity.

A gambler needs to set a limited amount of time and money spent on gambling activities as you mentioned. This can help prevent individuals from spending too much time, energy and financial resources on gambling, which can lead to neglecting family and work. By setting a specific time limit, individuals can ensure that they are not overspending their time and resources on gambling. By setting a specific budget for gambling, gamblers will not risk more money than they can afford to lose. This can also help prevent them from using funds intended for other important purposes, such as family expenses or savings.

Copyleaks: AI Content Detected
Sapling.ai: 100% Fake
GPTZero: GPTZero:We are moderately confident this text is a mix of ai and human (First sentence of second paragraph is supposedly human written, the rest fully AI written, difference in grammar can also be noticed).

Post 4.

While luck is considered to be unpredictable, some argue that it can be analyzed and influenced to a certain extent. By understanding the odds and probabilities associated with different gambling games, gamblers can make more informed decisions that may increase their chances of winning. For instance, in games like poker or blackjack, a gambler can adopt a mathematical strategies to improve their odds of winning. When though this do not guarantee steady win, you might be sure to make a little profit.

By calculating probabilities, and expected values, and understanding statistical concepts, a gambler can gain insights into the underlying mechanism of games. This knowledge can help players make strategic decisions that may tilt the odds in their favour. I have seen people who make predictions on pool games making calculations to know the match that is likely to end in a draw. Sometimes, the calculation works in their favour and other times it doesn't too and that is why I will always conclude that gambling is a game of luck regardless of what anyone says.

Mixed results on detectors.
Sapling.ai: 65% fake
GPTZero: 5/8 sentences are AI written.
Difference in grammar can also be detected throughout his post and in comparison with other posts.

Post 5.

Let it be noted here that the advent of the internet and technological advancements paved the way for a significant shift from offline gambling to online gambling. One of the key factors driving the popularity of online gambling is its accessibility and convenience. With just a few clicks or taps on their smartphones or computers, a gambler can place a bet or play casino games from the comfort of their homes at any time of the day. This ease of access has made gambling more pervasive in society, attracting a broader demographic of players.

Despite the shift to online platforms, the thrill of taking risks, the potential for big wins, and the social aspect of gaming are still major draws for many gamblers. However, it’s essential to recognize that gambling also carries inherent risks such as addiction, financial loss, and negative impacts on mental health.

Copyleaks: AI Content Detected
HiveModeration: The input is: likely to contain AI Generated Text 99.9%
Sapling.ai: 100% fake
GPTZero: We are highly confident this text was ai generated 97%

Post 6.

Casino bonuses are a common marketing strategy used by online casinos to attract new players and retain existing ones. These bonuses come in various forms, such as welcome bonuses, no-deposit bonuses, free spins, and loyalty rewards. While they may seem like free money at first glance, it is essential to understand that casinos are businesses aiming to make a profit as you have noted and so, the terms and conditions attached to these bonuses often include wagering requirements to protect the casino’s interests.

Wagering requirements dictate how many times a player must wager the bonus amount before being able to withdraw any winnings associated with it. For example, if a casino offers a $100 bonus with a 20x wagering requirement, the player would need to wager $2000 ($100 x 20) before cashing out any winnings.

Copyleaks: AI Content Detected
HiveModeration: The input is: likely to contain AI Generated Text 99.9%
Sapling.ai: 100% fake
GPTZero: GPTZero:We are moderately confident this text is a mix of ai and human (3/5 sentences, first paragraph AI written)

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I don't understand why in less than a month from the previous report, this user is resorting to AI usage, a third offence. We've seen other accounts get banned due to AI usage, but he's still using it like nothing happened, while there was no response from Stake manager in regards to the report against borovichok?

As far as I understand, the manager of the Stake campaign is satisfied with borovichok's work. It has already been tagged several times for spam and the use of AI tools for writing posts here. The position is stuck here.

I wouldn't pay attention to him anymore, the only question is whether he finally deserves a red tag. Although I think that even the red tag will not change much. Stake is OK with these kinds of posters.

OP, maybe you could have just added this to the existing @nutildah topic, I think this user does not deserve this number of open discussions.

[nutildah]

Even though the Stake campaign manager has said they are against the use of AI for writing posts, clearly that was a lie, as this user has now had 22 posts deleted as spam. Here's some of my more recent reports against them:



I have reported the posts you mentioned above as well, which are also clearly AI-generated. Regardless of the opinion of their campaign manager, this user deserves to be banned.

[Learn Bitcoin]

As far as I understand, the manager of the Stake campaign is satisfied with borovichok's work. It has already been tagged several times for spam and the use of AI tools for writing posts here. The position is stuck here.

I wouldn't pay attention to him anymore, the only question is whether he finally deserves a red tag. Although I think that even the red tag will not change much. Stake is OK with these kinds of posters.

Didn't he get a negative tag before for the same offence? It's not like he is doing it for the first time, and he does not know that he can get more negative tags if he repeats the same thing again. He got negative feedback, and JollyGood removed the feedback later. Yet again, this user is using AI to generate posts to make money. Stake campaigns have always been full of spammers, and it is no surprise they don't care about what their participants do. Having a JollyGood is good for the community. Such users deserve negative feedback for their repetitive offences.

[lovesmayfamilis]

If moderators successfully delete his posts, then eventually he will have no choice but to write his posts rather than use AI. The subscription quota is quite large, so in addition to posts that may be deleted (and he should understand this sooner or later), he will have to also write additional ones. And this, I think, is quite tedious. You just need not stop complaining about AI posts; the moderators will get tired of it, and they will eventually cool his agility.

[Learn Bitcoin]

If moderators successfully delete his posts, then eventually he will have no choice but to write his posts rather than use AI. The subscription quota is quite large, so in addition to posts that may be deleted (and he should understand this sooner or later), he will have to also write additional ones. And this, I think, is quite tedious. You just need not stop complaining about AI posts; the moderators will get tired of it, and they will eventually cool his agility.

But then you have to report his post within the same week of writing, and the moderators have to handle it in a week. If you report his old posts and if old posts get deleted, it does not affect his current week's post count. He will keep posting this AI-generated content as long as those posts do not get removed before his campaign manager counts them for payment. The way their manager handles the campaign, it's easier to post hundreds of posts and then remove them after a week once the payment is done. He does not have any problem if moderators delete his old posts.

[Lucius]

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Another explanation may be that multiple people use the same account, or multiple accounts, which is why you can notice differences in his posts, in terms of writing style, grammar and AI usage. It's extremely evident in posts that he's expressing his opinion and in others that actually require some knowledge to answer, in terms of definitions, technical specifications etc.

I would be inclined to exactly that theory, considering that the manager wholeheartedly defends exactly such shitposters who could actually be part of the alt network that the company bought to promote itself on the forum. I wouldn't be surprised if they then hired one or more people to manage that network, and of course they use AI and paraphrasing to do their job.

It is obvious that such a way of promoting pays off, because the investment in buying alt accounts is returned in the way that they do not actually pay unique members to advertise them. Unfortunately, apart from the persistent report such post and the hope that some of the global mods will react with a ban, red tags or flags are quite ineffective for such things.

[xLays]

Does bitcointalk consider AI generated post here in bitcointalk as plagiarism? If yes, he's candidate for a permanent ban. I think the forum admin needs to step up for this issue because it's not just one person who uses AI generated posts; it happens every day here on Bitcointalk. It's time to make forum rules regarding this matter.

[SmartGold01]

I don't understand why in less than a month from the previous report, this user is resorting to AI usage, a third offence. We've seen other accounts get banned due to AI usage, but he's still using it like nothing happened, while there was no response from Stake manager in regards to the report against borovichok?

As far as I understand, the manager of the Stake campaign is satisfied with borovichok's work. It has already been tagged several times for spam and the use of AI tools for writing posts here. The position is stuck here.

I wouldn't pay attention to him anymore, the only question is whether he finally deserves a red tag. Although I think that even the red tag will not change much. Stake is OK with these kinds of posters.

OP, maybe you could have just added this to the existing @nutildah topic, I think this user does not deserve this number of open discussions.

Correct me if I am wrong, I have came across where the said poster made a reply to either any of these #2 and #3 saying that he also tried to check their post and the AI detector detects their post to be AI generated, although I don't know how true is this. But I will also like us to check your personal post to know if the AI detector could still give you same result, this is a tools developed by human like you & I and there is no guaranteed that this tools is giving you an absolute results apart from give a guess feedback whereby people would start painting someone profile as red or giving them neutral tags for a common mistake done by the tools issuing out random results.

I think to me the one that should be more effective on members should be a copy and paste content without any link linked to the original author maybe if someone continue to repeat this kind of post without referencing the original creator or author then you can as well tag such person as a plagiarism user who does not make or create it's own original content than stealing someone else as his personal post. However, I am not against anyone doing his find on those that uses AI to post but we should also try to check most of our personal post to see the results if it appears the same then we can say the tools is giving a random answer to people's post, though I hardly use those tools to detects people post.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Correct me if I am wrong, I have came across where the said poster made a reply to either any of these #2 and #3 saying that he also tried to check their post and the AI detector detects their post to be AI generated, although I don't know how true is this. But I will also like us to check your personal post to know if the AI detector could still give you same result, this is a tools developed by human like you & I and there is no guaranteed that this tools is giving you an absolute results apart from give a guess feedback whereby people would start painting someone profile as red or giving them neutral tags for a common mistake done by the tools issuing out random results.

I think to me the one that should be more effective on members should be a copy and paste content without any link linked to the original author maybe if someone continue to repeat this kind of post without referencing the original creator or author then you can as well tag such person as a plagiarism user who does not make or create it's own original content than stealing someone else as his personal post. However, I am not against anyone doing his find on those that uses AI to post but we should also try to check most of our personal post to see the results if it appears the same then we can say the tools is giving a random answer to people's post, though I hardly use those tools to detects people post.

Have you read the thread opened by nutildah? If you say so, then it is completely clear that before we accuse someone of using AI tools, we check on several sites. And some sites are almost always NOT wrong.
If you looked at this topic more often, you would be convinced of this.
I'm sure these tools weren't invented by people like you or me . This is done by people who know a lot about it.

In addition, a person who posts news without a link is most often banned. And in this particular case, no red marks are required, since copying is direct plagiarism, followed by punishment, namely a ban.

I have no words. I spread my hands. You don't read the entire post and people's responses.

[KingsDen]

If I were Borovichok and I am using AI to generate posts, and I am eventually caught upto 3 times and got lucky to remain in my campaign and also not banned, I will definitely desist from using AI and consider myself lucky for not only  getting a second chance but also a third chance. But for Borovichok to come out more than once to defend himself gives me the impression that he is not using AI. Maybe he discovered some kind of app that enhances his grammar and make it look more sophisticated or AI like.

At this time, my sincere advice to Borovichok is to desist from whatever he is using to put his account in danger and suspicion. Just be yourself and be at peace with the forum members.

[Helena Yu]

If I were Borovichok and I am using AI to generate posts, and I am eventually caught upto 3 times and got lucky to remain in my campaign and also not banned, I will definitely desist from using AI and consider myself lucky for not only  getting a second chance but also a third chance. But for Borovichok to come out more than once to defend himself gives me the impression that he is not using AI. Maybe he discovered some kind of app that enhances his grammar and make it look more sophisticated or AI like.

If he didn't really use AI, why he keep repeat his mistakes over and over? that's a sign he don't want to learn.

Now he already have 6 neutral feedback on his account, but it's not gonna affect anything.

Usually this kind user will learn after:
1. Kicked from the campaign
2. Received a negative feedback
3. Get banned (temp/permanent)

[dkbit98]

Even though the Stake campaign manager has said they are against the use of AI for writing posts, clearly that was a lie, as this user has now had 22 posts deleted as spam. Here's some of my more recent reports against them

That campaign have one of the biggest collection of spammers in this forum, so I am not really surprised at all to see that manager is not doing their job correctly 
And besides that, if any member is detected of repeated using of AI generated posts he should be banned from forum, not just from that campaign.
Using AI generated content should be considered very similar to plagiarism.

[Upgrade00]

Does bitcointalk consider AI generated post here in bitcointalk as plagiarism? If yes, he's candidate for a permanent ban.

Changes to rules take time to be implemented. So far there is no rule regarding AI generated posts so those who use it are pretty much free to use it the way they like, except they are on a campaign which has local rules regarding it.

My guess is if we have more cases related to abuse of artificial intelligence, the admin will make a decision regarding its use on the forum.

[borovichok]

Someone sent me this link. Had this board ignored.

I'm not sure what else to say; I've stopped using Quilbot and Grammarly to correct my wording and sentences, and all of my posts are topic-related. I respond to the post I quoted, without a doubt. I've never seen any of my football-related posts got in this AI mess.

Have you guys ever bothered reading the post I quoted/replied to? Are my responses not in any way related?

There is an IT person on the stake campaign who runs our posts on certain AI softwares, and so far my postings have met the requirements. I don't use AI, the few percentage found in my history were as a result of some of the AI powdered tools ( quilbot and Grammarly) I used.

I will focus on only football discussion because I'm becoming a merit grabbing topics now. Most of my gambling posts carries my real life experience I didn't know AI could do that too..

Having my post deleted as spam is normal but tagging the report as AI report  for cheap score is wrong. I'm not lazy and I'm not using AI bot. I don't know how those tools works. Standing alone on something you didn't commit is so hard man.

Mixed of AI and Human report doesn't make any sense to me. Writing first paragraph with human and second paragraph with AI ? That's too much work for anyone. My first paragraphs are okay to make a good post, the second paragraphs are personal or general opinion. ( Little attachment)

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I don't understand why in less than a month from the previous report, this user is resorting to AI usage, a third offence.

I don't know why that member hasn't been banned, but I'm 99% sure he's using AI because he can't write for shit and is here just to get paid.  The latter has been true for a lot of people for years, but with advances in AI....I don't know, it's kind of scary.

The only reason I could ever see for Theymos banning signature campaigns voluntarily is if bitcointalk evolved into an AI-driven spam forum worse than what it is now, because at that point all of the idiots would have driven out the good members--and it's scary to me because I'm not sure how close it's coming to that.  Campaign participants are basically taking writing jobs, right?  Well, if you need the money and the easiest way to go about getting it is to have an AI program generate some posts because you can't write (or have nothing to say), it's hard to believe it's not going to happen on a grand scale.

Ban all members suspected of using AI, that's my opinion.  Otherwise this entire forum is in jeopardy.

Changes to rules take time to be implemented. So far there is no rule regarding AI generated posts so those who use it are pretty much free to use it the way they like, except they are on a campaign which has local rules regarding it.

Theymos needs to make a rule ASAP if that's the case.  We've already had a problem with shitposters doing it the hard way for years, so if they can decrease the effort needed to crank out nonsensical crap exponentially, then that's another problem that needs to be nipped in the bud as fast as Big Boss can write up a rule.

Edit:

I tagged the member in question.  When there's no rule in place to deal with this sort of shenanigans, one must use the tools available to them to combat it.

[Ultegra134]

Even though the Stake campaign manager has said they are against the use of AI for writing posts, clearly that was a lie, as this user has now had 22 posts deleted as spam. Here's some of my more recent reports against them:

I have reported the posts you mentioned above as well, which are also clearly AI-generated. Regardless of the opinion of their campaign manager, this user deserves to be banned.

I reported them as well and seem to be deleted. He's someone worth banning, he had plenty of chances to stop, but he thinks he's a smart ass and invincible. If I were hin, I'd stop the first time I was caught, and I'd be willing to understand and forgive that it was a one time thing. He has crossed every boundary.

I would be inclined to exactly that theory, considering that the manager wholeheartedly defends exactly such shitposters who could actually be part of the alt network that the company bought to promote itself on the forum. I wouldn't be surprised if they then hired one or more people to manage that network, and of course they use AI and paraphrasing to do their job.

It is obvious that such a way of promoting pays off, because the investment in buying alt accounts is returned in the way that they do not actually pay unique members to advertise them. Unfortunately, apart from the persistent report such post and the hope that some of the global mods will react with a ban, red tags or flags are quite ineffective for such things.

I'm inclined to believe that it's a very possible scenario. I haven't investigated if the said user has any addresses posted publicly, since Stake is paying on the casino account directly.

It must be tedious to write 70-80 posts per week, he has likely made it a team sport to cope.

[Upgrade00]

I tagged the member in question.  When there's no rule in place to deal with this sort of shenanigans, one must use the tools available to them to combat it.

What the user is doing sucks and if not discouraged it can lead to a spamfest on the forum and the spammers will not need to put in any effort at all to run an account farm. I however still think this is the wrong tool to combat it and wrong use of the trust system. Any campaign manager that ignores the neutral feedbacks and still pays for those AI generated posts will likely ignore negative feedbacks too and continue to encourage the user.

The trust feedback cannot block all the holes in the forum moderation policies or it starts to lose its own relevance.

[Mate2237]

@borovichok this is not the first time you have accused of such act and all can't be lie and if I were you as KingsDen said, I would stopped everything connecting to internet and AI materials and if possible delate the app from my device and reply to threads with my bare head with looking or asking questions from anywhere. And is it that the borovichok can't use his brain to write and reply comments because this is longer funny. It is not that we should not use AI to know information but not to use them in your writing. You can read the answers from AI and know the story and not to use it in your own. There are different threads people can reply to. And if you don't know or understand the particular thread then you leave and look for the one you understand and reply. This borovichok story is not a pleasant one because warning has been given to him not once and not twice.

There is an IT person on the stake campaign who runs our posts on certain AI softwares, and so far my postings have met the requirements. I don't use AI, the few percentage found in my history were as a result of some of the AI powdered tools ( quilbot and Grammarly) I used.

This is nice to hear from you, then if what you are saying is the truth then let the IT personnel in your campaign that test running all your posts every week before payment should come and make statement so that all these accusations will stopped. And if you are still using the " Quilbot and Grammarly to cross check your spelling before posting stop it so that you use your raw English and nobody will accused you of using AI. Stay safe.

[borovichok]

I tagged the member in question.  When there's no rule in place to deal with this sort of shenanigans, one must use the tools available to them to combat it.

You're using the feedback system to your advantage because of what some random "test" AI detection websites claim? Did you read the posts the OP posted and the ones I quoted? Tbh, all of this is wrong. I don't care about sig payment because I make x5 as a VIP wager. My reputation means a lot. I'm officially leaving Stake.

If anyone can mention 1 AI chat bot that can produce 100% discussion on topic, test run it and show results I have $50 for you.

[xLays]

I tagged the member in question.  When there's no rule in place to deal with this sort of shenanigans, one must use the tools available to them to combat it.

I don't care about sig payment because I make x5 as a VIP wager.

Whaaaaat? Do you think we will believe you? You post 30 posts a day, and yet you're saying you don't care about the signature campaign payment? You must be kidding me. LOL

[Ultegra134]

Now you're messaging me in private.

Hey,

I don't know why you're battling me but within yourself you know I'm 100% not using AI. Got you pretty good merits for defamation. Cool.

Thanks anyway... Have nothing to say to you.

Within myself, I know it's pretty clear that you're using AI, you're not fooling anyone and it's showing even without using a scanner. So from how you're seeing things, I'm "battling" you, just to get a few merit points?

You literally wrote 30 posts yesterday, from 6 am to 10.30 pm, doesn't sound like you don't care. I don't understand how it's even possible to write so many posts within a day. That's pure spam, you're posting within 10 minute timeframes. That means you're in front of a computer for over 16 hours, so there's no way in hell you can claim you don't care, that's practically your job.

[FinneysTrueVision]

The posts quoted all seemed vaguely familiar that I thought they were older posts. They are actually quite recent but the reason they seem familiar is because this user has a habit of repeating the same thing over and over again but phrasing it a little differently each time.

Here are some examples of them talking about chasing losses in gambling.
https://ninjastic.space/search?author=borovichok&content=chasing

The most recent of these results all have that uncanny valley effect where you can just tell they were written by AI. Some of them are detected as being partially or wholly written by AI. Some others are not but I suspect they could be using something like the “more casual” setting in Google Gemini or perhaps an AI humanizer.

[borovichok]

Within myself, I know it's pretty clear that you're using AI, you're not fooling anyone and it's showing even without using a scanner. So from how you're seeing things, I'm "battling" you, just to get a few merit points?

You literally wrote 30 posts yesterday, from 6 am to 10.30 pm, doesn't sound like you don't care. I don't understand how it's even possible to write so many posts within a day. That's pure spam, you're posting within 10 minute timeframes. That means you're in front of a computer for over 16 hours, so there's no way in hell you can claim you don't care, that's practically your job.

Exposing a PM without my consent shows your lack of trustworthiness. It's been more than 8 hours, and no one, including you, who created the so-called "human and AI" mixing report, has provided/named at least one Chatbot capable of producing discussion on topic. There is a $50 bounty.

Do you know what spam is?  Writing more than 30 or 50 posts per day does not necessarily imply spamming; what matters is the content, not the quantity. My posts are human-written, but a random profile can't be so good unless he's using some form of AI.

Let me educate you on how AI works....

AI-written contents are words collected from the Internet, and most plagiarism detection tools detect them since they are randomly combined content from many sources.  No plagiarism tools have yet detected any AI-claimed posts of mind. You folks are playing assumptions game with someone's reputation.

The most recent of these results all have that uncanny valley effect where you can just tell they were written by AI. Some of them are detected as being partially or wholly written by AI. Some others are not but I suspect they could be using something like the “more casual” setting in Google Gemini or perhaps an AI humanizer.

Still doesn't make sense for anyone to use AI on few of his posts and go Human on most of them. The only tools I've ever used are quilbot and Grammarly( Noticed they're AI powered tools so stopped using) to enhance my sentences and punctuations. I'm not familiar with any of the tools you mentioned. Honestly appreciate your inputs.

[Ultegra134]

Exposing a PM without my consent shows your lack of trustworthiness. It's been more than 8 hours, and no one, including you, who created the so-called "human and AI" mixing report, has provided/named at least one Chatbot capable of producing discussion on topic. There is a $50 bounty.

Do you know what spam is?  Writing more than 30 or 50 posts per day does not necessarily imply spamming; what matters is the content, not the quantity. My posts are human-written, but a random profile can't be so good unless he's using some form of AI.

Let me educate you on how AI works....

AI-written contents are words collected from the Internet, and most plagiarism detection tools detect them since they are randomly combined content from many sources.  No plagiarism tools have yet detected any AI-claimed posts of mind. You folks are playing assumptions game with someone's reputation.

Exposing you? There's an open report here, everything you'd like to say, say it here, there's no reason to send me a PM and claiming that I have something personal against you in order to gain merit. You're free to share your though here, unless you're afraid to be proven wrong from other members who know me and my history, that there's no personal gain by this report.

[yahoo62278]

Within myself, I know it's pretty clear that you're using AI, you're not fooling anyone and it's showing even without using a scanner. So from how you're seeing things, I'm "battling" you, just to get a few merit points?

You literally wrote 30 posts yesterday, from 6 am to 10.30 pm, doesn't sound like you don't care. I don't understand how it's even possible to write so many posts within a day. That's pure spam, you're posting within 10 minute timeframes. That means you're in front of a computer for over 16 hours, so there's no way in hell you can claim you don't care, that's practically your job.

Exposing a PM without my consent shows your lack of trustworthiness. It's been more than 8 hours, and no one, including you, who created the so-called "human and AI" mixing report, has provided/named at least one Chatbot capable of producing discussion on topic. There is a $50 bounty.

Do you know what spam is?  Writing more than 30 or 50 posts per day does not necessarily imply spamming; what matters is the content, not the quantity. My posts are human-written, but a random profile can't be so good unless he's using some form of AI.

Let me educate you on how AI works....

AI-written contents are words collected from the Internet, and most plagiarism detection tools detect them since they are randomly combined content from many sources.  No plagiarism tools have yet detected any AI-claimed posts of mind. You folks are playing assumptions game with someone's reputation.

The most recent of these results all have that uncanny valley effect where you can just tell they were written by AI. Some of them are detected as being partially or wholly written by AI. Some others are not but I suspect they could be using something like the “more casual” setting in Google Gemini or perhaps an AI humanizer.

Still doesn't make sense for anyone to use AI on few of his posts and go Human on most of them. The only tools I've ever used are quilbot and Grammarly( Noticed they're AI powered tools so stopped using) to enhance my sentences and punctuations. I'm not familiar with any of the tools you mentioned. Honestly appreciate your inputs.

Anyone writing 30-50 posts a day, no matter the content, is going to get themselves on some users radar. Someone should run a check on the number of posts you made prior to being put in the stake campaign, then the number you make upon being accepted and see if there is a huge change in your habits. If so, at the very least you should be hit for sig spamming as 30 posts in 4 hours is a bit ridiculous and might show that you're only posting for money.

As far as the AI goes, the mods agree apparently since there are so many reports marked good. Being as AI is still fairly new, there might be some errors in detecting AI content, but if it walks like a duck........

[Aanuoluwatofunmi]

It still bothers me when i see a set of five or six people overseeing the affairs of a signatory campaign and couldn't detect for the use of AI from their participants, am sure it may not have to be this same guy alone, there may be more other participants found on the same shade for using AI, now, it is clear that this guy in question had been caught severally and reported, but the campaign managers are doing nothing to take action against such, which could in other way implies that they accept the use of AI for their postings in the campaign, if it were to be other managers, they would have taken quick action on that.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

The trust feedback cannot block all the holes in the forum moderation policies or it starts to lose its own relevance.

The trust system, in my eyes at least, lost its relevance a long time ago and as far as me misusing it in a case like this, I don't think I'm doing that at all.  The threat of AI ruining this forum seems very real to me, and it's unknown if Theymos intends to take any meaningful action about it.  Handing out a negative trust to a member who's most likely using AI to shitpost for a campaign reminds me of the months before the merit system was created; if the trust system is the only tool you've got to fight these morons, then that's the one you use until someone with authority tells you otherwise.

As far as the AI goes, the mods agree apparently since there are so many reports marked good. Being as AI is still fairly new, there might be some errors in detecting AI content, but if it walks like a duck........

This (in addition to the imminent threat) is why I'm inclined to shoot first and ask questions later.  I'll sleep just fine, and the rest of you can do what you like, but AI-generated shitposts might potentially be an overwhelming problem very soon.  And honestly, this is the first member I've tagged for this.  It isn't like I'm on a rampage circa December 2017.

[yahoo62278]

It still bothers me when i see a set of five or six people overseeing the affairs of a signatory campaign and couldn't detect for the use of AI from their participants, am sure it may not have to be this same guy alone, there may be more other participants found on the same shade for using AI, now, it is clear that this guy in question had been caught severally and reported, but the campaign managers are doing nothing to take action against such, which could in other way implies that they accept the use of AI for their postings in the campaign, if it were to be other managers, they would have taken quick action on that.

AI as far as I know is not deemed illegal. Is it good to allow the use of AI in users posts? No, not at all. If we allow AI there will be no more genuine conversation on the forum and 5000 users spamming a day to earn money.

I cannot speak for the managers of any campaigns, some of them may not be aware of any AI detecting tools. Detecting AI is not 100% perfect either.

As far as the AI goes, the mods agree apparently since there are so many reports marked good. Being as AI is still fairly new, there might be some errors in detecting AI content, but if it walks like a duck........

This (in addition to the imminent threat) is why I'm inclined to shoot first and ask questions later.  I'll sleep just fine, and the rest of you can do what you like, but AI-generated shitposts might potentially be an overwhelming problem very soon.  And honestly, this is the first member I've tagged for this.  It isn't like I'm on a rampage circa December 2017.

You or someone should make a list listing all suspected AI posters and get them all blacklisted from campaigns. Let other users see that there will be consequences for their actions.

[Lucius]

~snip~
This (in addition to the imminent threat) is why I'm inclined to shoot first and ask questions later.  I'll sleep just fine, and the rest of you can do what you like, but AI-generated shitposts might potentially be an overwhelming problem very soon.  And honestly, this is the first member I've tagged for this.  It isn't like I'm on a rampage circa December 2017.

AI generated posts have been a problem for years, at least I've been aware of it since mid-2020 when @fillippone opened this topic AI writing messages on Bitcointalk.org. I cannot say how much content on the forum is currently generated with the help of AI, but I believe that it is already a significant percentage.

~snip~
You or someone should make a list listing all suspected AI posters and get them all blacklisted from campaigns. Let other users see that there will be consequences for their actions.

That would only have a partial effect, because there are always managers who don't care, as is the case here. I think I even read that the user in question here was somehow promoted (rewarded) for his good work in the campaign. Tags, flags and black lists for such managers are unfortunately worthless.

[FinneysTrueVision]

Anyone writing 30-50 posts a day, no matter the content, is going to get themselves on some users radar. Someone should run a check on the number of posts you made prior to being put in the stake campaign, then the number you make upon being accepted and see if there is a huge change in your habits. If so, at the very least you should be hit for sig spamming as 30 posts in 4 hours is a bit ridiculous and might show that you're only posting for money.

As far as the AI goes, the mods agree apparently since there are so many reports marked good. Being as AI is still fairly new, there might be some errors in detecting AI content, but if it walks like a duck........

According to Ninjastic.space, prior to the Stake campaign he had 2550 posts since joining the forum in October 2017, most of them being made after his account woke up in September 2021 and started spamming with a high level of activity. After joining he’s ramped up his spamming and made 3885 posts in 9.5 months.

[JollyGood]

This is a theory I never thought of before but it fits in with the bigger picture that they have many super spammers and low quality posters on their signature campaign and not only that, they have many members that have received multiple neutral and negative tags.

Having said that, I would be more inclined to think that in this sort of scenario the campaign manager is the one that would be controlling the selection process therefore the company might be completely innocent and the whole problem was created as a smokescreen by the campaign manager as he runs the multiple accounts and takes the money for himself.

Is that more probable in this case considering Stake is a massive enterprise and are not exactly short on cash for running campaigns?

~snip~
Another explanation may be that multiple people use the same account, or multiple accounts, which is why you can notice differences in his posts, in terms of writing style, grammar and AI usage. It's extremely evident in posts that he's expressing his opinion and in others that actually require some knowledge to answer, in terms of definitions, technical specifications etc.

I would be inclined to exactly that theory, considering that the manager wholeheartedly defends exactly such shitposters who could actually be part of the alt network that the company bought to promote itself on the forum. I wouldn't be surprised if they then hired one or more people to manage that network, and of course they use AI and paraphrasing to do their job.

It is obvious that such a way of promoting pays off, because the investment in buying alt accounts is returned in the way that they do not actually pay unique members to advertise them. Unfortunately, apart from the persistent report such post and the hope that some of the global mods will react with a ban, red tags or flags are quite ineffective for such things.

[borovichok]

I will remove signature and Avatar once my resignation message is approved. I've left all my post unedited, when a good AI generated detector is finally developed, I will come back to this thread. Until then Good bye everyone, it was a nice ride.

My last advice: Do not trust any AI detector tools yet. I should be the last victim.



Edit:
Resignation approved! I've asked the admin to deactivate the account. Cheers

[LoyceV]

Does bitcointalk consider AI generated post here in bitcointalk as plagiarism?

I think this applies:

To be so lazy that you won't even make up your own low-quality post, but instead save a few minutes by importing some garbage from the wider Internet, is a massive insult to this forum's community, and is proof that at least in that moment the only thing you cared about was money-making.

If yes, he's candidate for a permanent ban. I think the forum admin needs to step up for this issue because it's not just one person who uses AI generated posts; it happens every day here on Bitcointalk. It's time to make forum rules regarding this matter.

I've been surprised (and demotivated) by the lack of bans for chatbot plagiarism. It's very easy to produce, and time consuming to detect and prove. And because the forum barely bans them, the number of chatbot posts is only going up.

I tagged the member in question.  When there's no rule in place to deal with this sort of shenanigans, one must use the tools available to them to combat it.

I hadn't looked at is that way yet. I always assumed it falls under the plagiarism rules, and thus should be handled by forum rules. But the lack of action from the forum could indeed be interpreted as a lack of rules against it, and in that case negative feedback might lead to change the same way it was used to tag shitposters before theymos introduced the Merit system.

[lovesmayfamilis]

That is, if you follow the thoughts of The Sceptical Chymist and how he reacted to the decision to leave a negative review, is it worth giving users several chances to correct their posting?

For example, we currently leave neutral reviews for those who have been caught using AI and have had their posts deleted by moderators. Everything happens logically: a report is sent to the moderators, they agree and delete the posts, and the user receives a tag.

But often accounts, even after receiving this tag, continue to use AI in the same way. How many times does it take for the user to wake up and realize that the neutral tag will soon turn into a red tag?

[LoyceV]

How many times does it take for the user to wake up and realize that the neutral tag will soon turn into a red tag?

Doesn't matter, they can just as easily create a new account. Chatbots are patient.
All it takes now it for someone to automate the whole process: create 10 new accounts per day, make each of them them automatically post 5 "AI" generated posts, and see what happens.
After a week: 70 accounts, with 350 posts per day. A week later: 140 accounts, with 700 posts per day. If half of them get banned, half remain. If some get Merited, they might rank up. After a year, the spammer may have enough surviving accounts to start earning money from signature campaigns. If they get banned, it doesn't matter because he still creates 10 new accounts per day. I don't have high hopes for the future of forums on the internet.

[nutildah]

I will remove signature and Avatar once my resignation message is approved. I've left all my post unedited, when a good AI generated detector is finally developed, I will come back to this thread. Until then Good bye everyone, it was a nice ride.

My last advice: Do not trust any AI detector tools yet. I should be the last victim.



Edit:
Resignation approved! I've asked the admin to deactivate the account. Cheers

Amazing... the guy basically said he'll come back to the forum when an undetectable AI tool has been developed, lol. The sheer audacity to deny posting dozens of straight-up ChatGPT texts and then declare themselves a "victim." Bravo. Stunning, yet also brave.

[LoyceV]

I've left all my post unedited, when a good AI generated detector is finally developed, I will come back to this thread.

Amazing... the guy basically said he'll come back to the forum when an undetectable AI tool has been developed, lol.

Actually, he said the opposite. He's saying the current AI detectors are inaccurate. That's kinda true, but in his case I don't believe that.

[ABCbits]

How many times does it take for the user to wake up and realize that the neutral tag will soon turn into a red tag?

Doesn't matter, they can just as easily create a new account. Chatbots are patient.
All it takes now it for someone to automate the whole process: create 10 new accounts per day, make each of them them automatically post 5 "AI" generated posts, and see what happens.
After a week: 70 accounts, with 350 posts per day. A week later: 140 accounts, with 700 posts per day. If half of them get banned, half remain. If some get Merited, they might rank up. After a year, the spammer may have enough surviving accounts to start earning money from signature campaigns. If they get banned, it doesn't matter because he still creates 10 new accounts per day. I don't have high hopes for the future of forums on the internet.

But without some automation, i wonder how many people actually patient enough to do that. And if someone have skill to perform automation (where they also need to consider CloudFlare), they probably can land IT job which offer better stability.

[Lucius]

But without some automation, i wonder how many people actually patient enough to do that. And if someone have skill to perform automation (where they also need to consider CloudFlare), they probably can land IT job which offer better stability.

In some cases, it is certainly about individuals who try to cheat the system, but I believe that there are also groups with many more members who operate alt accounts on this forum in a much more sophisticated and thoughtful way in order to position themselves in the long term.

Also, the possibility that some people do it against their will should not be completely dismissed, because as we can often read, in some parts of the world, people are dragged into forced labor in various ways, especially when it comes to "jobs" related to cryptocurrencies.

[JollyGood]

Well, the "borovichok" account is another one that was called out by me a very long time ago. I left the first neutral tag on his account in February 2022 therefore it took just over two years for his account to unravel but it still remains unknown what his connections are to the "Jasad" "CryptocurencyKing" accounts. It also remains unknown exactly how many accounts are in the farm operated by this super-spammer and compulsive liar.

He probably thought if being a compulsive liar would bring him merits and with it a higher rank, he will do it. I can only imagine how much of a boost those 95 merits given to him a year ago when he fabricated the whole story about participating in charity events for Hal Finney: Hal Finney RUNNING BITCOIN- What was Bitcointalk contribution? $65k raised!. I also wonder how many members noticed his previous posting history as well as the neutral tag before giving him those merits as he chased the 500 merit mark.

[Lucius]

@JollyGood, I added 1 merit to that post, and I admit that I didn't check the post history before that because I didn't think there was any need for it. Unfortunately, trust is not visible in the Bitcoin discussion, otherwise it seems to me that the number of merits would be significantly lower for a specific post.

Is there any hard evidence that the whole story surrounding his participation in the race was fabricated? Someone who knows exactly when the race was held and who would check if he was writing on the forum at that time would have proof that he was not there.

[JollyGood]

Sadly there is no hard evidence as such to prove his participation in the fundraiser was fabricated. It is somewhat unfortunate that Bitcoin Discussion does not show trust otherwise maybe the outcome could have been different.

It means I was probably right when I thought it was probable that the account was sold along with a message from the previous used address before being staked with the new address. That is usually part of account sale process now.

Still, he managed to survive on that particular account for a couple of years after buying it, now he can concentrate on the other accounts in his farm.

@JollyGood, I added 1 merit to that post, and I admit that I didn't check the post history before that because I didn't think there was any need for it. Unfortunately, trust is not visible in the Bitcoin discussion, otherwise it seems to me that the number of merits would be significantly lower for a specific post.

Is there any hard evidence that the whole story surrounding his participation in the race was fabricated? Someone who knows exactly when the race was held and who would check if he was writing on the forum at that time would have proof that he was not there.

[Ultegra134]

Sadly there is no hard evidence as such to prove his participation in the fundraiser was fabricated. It is somewhat unfortunate that Bitcoin Discussion does not show trust otherwise maybe the outcome could have been different.

It means I was probably right when I thought it was probable that the account was sold along with a message from the previous used address before being staked with the new address. That is usually part of account sale process now.

Still, he managed to survive on that particular account for a couple of years after buying it, now he can concentrate on the other accounts in his farm.

I remember seeing the neutral feedback on his account and was generally suspecting of him for quite a while. Judging by what I saw, it's very likely that there was no participation in any so-called fundraiser, and it was a mere attempt to gain merit, therefore a higher rank, resulting in higher earnings from signature campaign spamming. I've been watching him for quite a while.

I'm also a believer of the idea that he has other accounts as well, or that multiple people use multiple accounts at the same time. There was an irregularity in his posts, differences in grammar, punctuation and generally way of writing. The negative feedback and the attention this thread resulted him in quitting and teleporting to the rival forum, even though he hasn't posted anything there yet. I honestly didn't believe he'd actually quit, with that being said, I don't doubt he's still on the forum, just with another account, and possibly participating in a campaign.

[JollyGood]

I remember seeing the neutral feedback on his account and was generally suspecting of him for quite a while. Judging by what I saw, it's very likely that there was no participation in any so-called fundraiser, and it was a mere attempt to gain merit, therefore a higher rank, resulting in higher earnings from signature campaign spamming. I've been watching him for quite a while.

That fundraiser thread by borovichok was one of the lowest of the low barrel scraping things anybody could do just to get merits. He is a compulsive liar. I stopped following him after I reluctantly conceded the consensus seemed to sided to not negatively tag members for spamming or using suspected AI.

Thankfully you created this thread and it brought a new attention to the tactics employed by borovichok.

The most important thing now is that the borovichok account now has been rendered useless. If if he was to return here using that account, it would not bring him any benefit in joining campaigns therefore he will focus his attention on his other accounts.

I'm also a believer of the idea that he has other accounts as well, or that multiple people use multiple accounts at the same time. There was an irregularity in his posts, differences in grammar, punctuation and generally way of writing. The negative feedback and the attention this thread resulted him in quitting and teleporting to the rival forum, even though he hasn't posted anything there yet. I honestly didn't believe he'd actually quit, with that being said, I don't doubt he's still on the forum, just with another account, and possibly participating in a campaign.

If I had to guess, I would state with a strong belief that he is enrolled on other campaigns and he has several accounts here. Over time, hopefully those accounts will be connected to him.

[nutildah]

I've left all my post unedited, when a good AI generated detector is finally developed, I will come back to this thread.

Amazing... the guy basically said he'll come back to the forum when an undetectable AI tool has been developed, lol.

Actually, he said the opposite. He's saying the current AI detectors are inaccurate. That's kinda true, but in his case I don't believe that.

Reading between the lines, he's saying he wants an AI machine that isn't detectable by the detectors... that's how you know an AI detector works (according to him): when it doesn't detect super-sophisticated AI text.

Anyway, he stopped short of being banned & voluntarily removed himself from his campaign; I suppose that is at least a somewhat honorable thing to do.

[Ultegra134]

If I had to guess, I would state with a strong belief that he is enrolled on other campaigns and he has several accounts here. Over time, hopefully those accounts will be connected to him.

Certainly, it became quite clear when you called him out in 2022 for replying to himself, probably because he forgot to switch accounts. Eventually, he'll make a mistake again and we'll catch him, although I'm expecting him to be more cautious after this report. I'm always on the lookout for anything suspicious, such as AI usage, if he has more accounts, we'll eventually find those as well.

Edit: Another suspected user reported in the main AI report thread.

[Agbe]

I will remove signature and Avatar once my resignation message is approved. I've left all my post unedited, when a good AI generated detector is finally developed, I will come back to this thread. Until then Good bye everyone, it was a nice ride.

My last advice: Do not trust any AI detector tools yet. I should be the last victim.



Edit:
Resignation approved! I've asked the admin to deactivate the account. Cheers

Amazing... the guy basically said he'll come back to the forum when an undetectable AI tool has been developed, lol. The sheer audacity to deny posting dozens of straight-up ChatGPT texts and then declare themselves a "victim." Bravo. Stunning, yet also brave.

I think that sentence is very simple to understand and there was no need to misinterpret the guy. He said, "he will come to this thread again, when a Good and Unbiased AI Detectors are developed or come to the forum then he would come back to this thread" and not "undetectable" as you put it. If you didn't understand then you would have passedby. Second chance have been given to different defaulters to repent from their sins by the admin and other staff, because people developed community and not the community developed itself. Admin has never been happy for a lost of a soul here. And he wants everyone to do well with their contributions and not using AI and plagiarism.

And to borovichok, you said you will come back again when a good AI Detector (s) has come or developed in the forum and my question is how will you know when you have deactivated your account? That means you have an alt in the forum and you are using that to monitor the activities of the forum. And another question rises again if you have another account why then the second account is not using the AI?

LoyceV gave the correct interpretation of the guy comment.

I've left all my post unedited, when a good AI generated detector is finally developed, I will come back to this thread.

Amazing... the guy basically said he'll come back to the forum when an undetectable AI tool has been developed, lol.

Actually, he said the opposite. He's saying the current AI detectors are inaccurate. That's kinda true, but in his case I don't believe that.

[Lucius]

~snip~
Still, he managed to survive on that particular account for a couple of years after buying it, now he can concentrate on the other accounts in his farm.

Considering how easily he gave up that account, I have no doubt that it is very likely that it is just one in a series of alt accounts that he uses. Until the merit system was introduced, it only took time to move from rank to rank, and we are talking about 9 years of creating alt farms that are still active today.

In addition, it was only around 2015 (if I'm not mistaken) that trading with BTT accounts became undesirable, and before that it was a completely normal activity.

[JollyGood]

Considering how easily he gave up that account, I have no doubt that it is very likely that it is just one in a series of alt accounts that he uses. Until the merit system was introduced, it only took time to move from rank to rank, and we are talking about 9 years of creating alt farms that are still active today.

I am fairly certain he purchased the account and staked the address here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=996318.msg57852636#msg57852636

If he were to repeat the same process over and over then it would mean he would have enough accounts in his farm to easily accept it if some of his accounts were rendered useless after receiving tags. I agree with you, it is probably just one of many accounts operated by this spammer and liar.

In addition, it was only around 2015 (if I'm not mistaken) that trading with BTT accounts became undesirable, and before that it was a completely normal activity.

I do not know first hand about the situation about the normalised (open and accepted) account selling/trading but over the years I have read posts from a number of members that have confirmed it to be the case. At some stage probably because of signature spamming or using purchased accounts for nefarious activities such as asking for loans or spamming, account trading was no longer accepted as a normal conduct.

I think AI could be heading in the same direction. Reading AI posts regardless of the reason it was used could in future be completely rejected by forum members if spamming continues without any real deterrent to reign offenders.

[nutildah]

Amazing... the guy basically said he'll come back to the forum when an undetectable AI tool has been developed, lol. The sheer audacity to deny posting dozens of straight-up ChatGPT texts and then declare themselves a "victim." Bravo. Stunning, yet also brave.

I think that sentence is very simple to understand and there was no need to misinterpret the guy. He said, "he will come to this thread again, when a Good and Unbiased AI Detectors are developed or come to the forum then he would come back to this thread" and not "undetectable" as you put it. If you didn't understand then you would have passedby

Clearly you didn't read my most recent post which addresses this issue which has already been brought up by LoyceV... He's saying he fully intends to continue posting AI but not until AI is good enough to not be detected by the detectors, because according to him, every positive reading on all of his clearly AI-written posts are false.

[SamReomo]

The same user teleported to altcoinstalks, and after this thread I don't think he'll be given any chance to be in a signature campaign in that forum. However, if he gets a chance then he should totally give up on using AI text generators and or fixing his own written text with those AI generators.

The AI generated text can only increase spamming and nothing else, anyone who understands that will never take any help from those AI tools. It's 100x better to work on your own grammar, punctuation, vocabulary, and writing style than relying on AI tools like ChatGpt.

Using those tools to make posts is not fooling others but fooling ones own self, and someone who knows that will never ever rely on such tools. I hope that he may learn a good lesson from this thread and may stop using AI tools to make posts on that forum because if he continues doing the same thing on that forum then I fear that he may get so many negative karma on that forum.

[Agbe]

Clearly you didn't read my most recent post which addresses this issue which has already been brought up by LoyceV... He's saying he fully intends to continue posting AI but not until AI is good enough to not be detected by the detectors, because according to him, every positive reading on all of his clearly AI-written posts are false.

I read it and it is clearly stated that your respond didn't correspond with borovichok and even with LoyceV comment. You just want to interpret it to your own way and trying to justify the comment. What borovichok said is very clear and any interpretation can be used for future reference. This is the jury in the forum and our comments must be clear for everyone understanding and not a personal Glossary Of Legal Terms. Well the guy in question has already gave up his account but according to him, he will come back again when good AI Detectors have developed in the forum, then he will ask the AI Detectors to visit his posting history and analyze them. And I think this the simple interpretation of borovichok comment there.

Well you are doing a good job in the forum. One merit for you. Continue doing it but interprete it for general understanding.

[nutildah]

I read it and it is clearly stated that your respond didn't correspond with borovichok and even with LoyceV comment. You just want to interpret it to your own way and trying to justify the comment. What borovichok said is very clear and any interpretation can be used for future reference. This is the jury in the forum and our comments must be clear for everyone understanding and not a personal Glossary Of Legal Terms. Well the guy in question has already gave up his account but according to him, he will come back again when good AI Detectors have developed in the forum, then he will ask the AI Detectors to visit his posting history and analyze them. And I think this the simple interpretation of borovichok comment there.

It somewhat saddens me that accounts like yours will one day be Legendary.

Enough of the AI detectors are already good enough right now, which is why dozens of his posts have been deleted as "AI spam."

So he disagrees with their findings because he thinks they are inferior detector services. Meanwhile when used in concert (to provide a consensus), all they are doing is pointing out the reality that he is using ChatGPT to generate his posts for him, which he continues to deny! So what he's really doing is waiting for an AI text generator that won't get caught by the detectors we use on this forum.

Its quite simple to understand really. And yes as part of "the jury in this forum" you are allowed to have your own opinion that disagrees with my assessment.

[Agbe]

I read it and it is clearly stated that your respond didn't correspond with borovichok and even with LoyceV comment. You just want to interpret it to your own way and trying to justify the comment. What borovichok said is very clear and any interpretation can be used for future reference. This is the jury in the forum and our comments must be clear for everyone understanding and not a personal Glossary Of Legal Terms. Well the guy in question has already gave up his account but according to him, he will come back again when good AI Detectors have developed in the forum, then he will ask the AI Detectors to visit his posting history and analyze them. And I think this the simple interpretation of borovichok comment there.

Enough of the AI detectors are already good enough right now, which is why dozens of his posts have been deleted as "AI spam."

So he disagrees with their findings because he thinks they are inferior detector services. Meanwhile when used in concert (to provide a consensus), all they are doing is pointing out the reality that he is using ChatGPT to generate his posts for him, which he continues to deny! So what he's really doing is waiting for an AI text generator that won't get caught by the detectors we use on this forum.

Its quite simple to understand really. And yes as part of "the jury in this forum" you are allowed to have your own opinion that disagrees with my assessment.

I am not saying that your assessment was wrong and I am not even saying that your findings were wrong. You are even misinterpreting my statements. My focused was on the interpretation you made on borovichok comment in this thread. My being a Legendary Member has nothing to do with this. If you are saddened because of my Legendary Member because I said your interpretation is contradicting borovichok's comment. And I only said when you are interpreting a case, don't beat around the bush. Interprete it as it is. Can you also tell us why you are saddened for me being a Legendary in the forum? I think this is part of the forum to make CHECK and BALANCE. If there is nothing like this then the forum would be all is right and there is no wrong. Nobody is perfect and we adjust ourselves from other comments. Again my focused is on your comment for the guy comment and not in any detector assessment.

[Ultegra134]

I read it and it is clearly stated that your respond didn't correspond with borovichok and even with LoyceV comment. You just want to interpret it to your own way and trying to justify the comment. What borovichok said is very clear and any interpretation can be used for future reference. This is the jury in the forum and our comments must be clear for everyone understanding and not a personal Glossary Of Legal Terms. Well the guy in question has already gave up his account but according to him, he will come back again when good AI Detectors have developed in the forum, then he will ask the AI Detectors to visit his posting history and analyze them. And I think this the simple interpretation of borovichok comment there.

Well you are doing a good job in the forum. One merit for you. Continue doing it but interprete it for general understanding.

I'm sorry, but I'll have to agree with nutildah on this one. Borovichok is practically still denying the findings from the AI detectors, and claiming that he'll return to this thread to prove us all wrong. Still playing the victim mentality that he has fallen a victim of inaccurate findings from AI detectors. Even on the previous reports, he was still blaming something else, that his English was too perfect or that grammar correctors made his posts susceptible to the AI scanners.

It's astonishing that he's still playing the victim here, when he already had two chances to stop using AI. That's some audacity in there.

[JollyGood]

When he has that many accounts (and has been adding from a several of them to via signature campaigns, competitions and bounties to his income) he can behave with as much audacity as he wants because he believes he has the right.

In the end, he got away with using this borovichok account for a long time since he purchased it and on that basis, if he uses any and all of his traded accounts for that length of time to enrol on the Stake (and other) campaigns it would mean he is still ahead in financial terms but what about the damage to the forum when/if the merit system is abused or the trust system manipulated?

I see a lot of the figmentofmyass behaviour in the puppeteer currently controlling the borovichok account with one exception. One did not use AI the other does. Could he have evolved to using AI since his previous farmed accounts were exposed?

I'm sorry, but I'll have to agree with nutildah on this one. Borovichok is practically still denying the findings from the AI detectors, and claiming that he'll return to this thread to prove us all wrong. Still playing the victim mentality that he has fallen a victim of inaccurate findings from AI detectors. Even on the previous reports, he was still blaming something else, that his English was too perfect or that grammar correctors made his posts susceptible to the AI scanners.

It's astonishing that he's still playing the victim here, when he already had two chances to stop using AI. That's some audacity in there.

[dkbit98]

It somewhat saddens me that accounts like yours will one day be Legendary.

You never know, anything can happen and I know very old legendary accounts that are scammers and cheaters, so rank doesn't mean much this days, but I have this guy on my ignore list already.

I don't think it's enough to check content of members with only  one AI detection tool, but if five or six tools are used, and member is writing above normal amount of posts, than he is obviously AI spammer for sure.
I heard some news that borovichok found a new place to share his AI ''wisdom'' 

[nutildah]

I see a lot of the figmentofmyass behaviour in the puppeteer currently controlling the borovichok account with one exception. One did not use AI the other does. Could he have evolved to using AI since his previous farmed accounts were exposed?

That's a real possibility. Would probably be worth it to take a look at his addresses and see if there's any connections. There's no doubt in my mind his account was sold at least once over the years (probably twice, just taking a cursory glance at his post history).

You never know, anything can happen and I know very old legendary accounts that are scammers and cheaters, so rank doesn't mean much this days, but I have this guy on my ignore list already.

Yes that's true. I guess merits are still a pretty good indicator. When I see a Legendary with very few merits posting b.s. out of the blue, for the first time in months/years, it does raise my eyebrows. Meanwhile accounts like the one I was conversing with earlier just slowly grind their way to Legendary status, and looking at his post history all I can conclude is that merit count doesn't actually mean much either.

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[JollyGood]

I had to check the Stake signature campaign to confirm this because I had doubts about their payment structure. It will not be possible to check direct payments from Stake to their campaign participants as they are sent to the participants Stake account.

As for all his know addresses since the account was purchased by the current owner, I will take a look at them and try to find if a connection can be made.

I see a lot of the figmentofmyass behaviour in the puppeteer currently controlling the borovichok account with one exception. One did not use AI the other does. Could he have evolved to using AI since his previous farmed accounts were exposed?

That's a real possibility. Would probably be worth it to take a look at his addresses and see if there's any connections. There's no doubt in my mind his account was sold at least once over the years (probably twice, just taking a cursory glance at his post history).