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March 27, 2024, 07:01:09 AM
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Assuming that there is a lightning network transaction between two people and they want to make evidence to be available to another person as witness, you can send the txid of bitcoin transaction to the third person which the person can use to trace the transaction on blockchain. But how about lightning network? Is there a way it can be tracked?  I want to use lightning network because of the cheap transaction fee and fast transaction that it has, but I do not think it is possible for third person to trace it which will let me to use the normal transaction that can be tracked using txid.

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March 27, 2024, 07:07:04 AM
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I want to use lightning network because of the cheap transaction fee and fast transaction that it has, but I do not think it is possible for third person to trace it which will let me to use the normal transaction that can be tracked using txid.

Even lightning network transactions can be traced via hashes which are unique id for each payment but to track the hashes you need to provide payment channel information and hashes but it's never been as simple as pasting txid on an explorer and seeing the inputs and outputs since LN txs are offline transactions.

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March 27, 2024, 07:13:55 AM
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But how about lightning network? Is there a way it can be tracked?
Check ride the Lightning web app  https://www.ridethelightning.info/. It is a web browser app
It may help you with your query.

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March 27, 2024, 07:42:43 AM
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Lightning network transactions are true privacy, it's end to end encrypted to to only the two participants in the transaction which means it's not visible to anyone else, hence can not be tracked (explored in the block explorer).

Since lightning network transactions cannot be explored or are not visible in the block explorer, there are lightning network explorers[1] that shows the stats and information about the nodes on the network. You can use any of the LN explorer, there are many of them which include; https://1ml.com/ , https://amboss.space/ , https://lightningnetwork.plus/nodes etc you can use it to know the statuses of your lightning network.


[1] https://lightningwiki.net/index.php/Lightning_Network_explorers

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March 27, 2024, 08:31:36 AM
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Assuming that there is a lightning network transaction between two people and they want to make evidence to be available to another person as witness
What's the use case here? Is it to be able to prove fraud, for instance when a seller says you didn't pay, while you say you did?

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March 27, 2024, 08:38:09 AM
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Assuming that there is a lightning network transaction between two people and they want to make evidence to be available to another person as witness
What's the use case here? Is it to be able to prove fraud, for instance when a seller says you didn't pay, while you say you did?
Yes

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March 27, 2024, 08:45:22 AM
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That means you'll also need to be able to prove the seller gave you a certain payment request. I always considered LN to be mainly useful to pay services, and if you pay a service, it's also not possible to prove which deposit address they gave you (unless you get a signed message). Somehow nobody seems to care about that.

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Last edit: March 27, 2024, 10:22:20 AM by BlackHatCoiner
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Assuming that there is a lightning network transaction between two people and they want to make evidence to be available to another person as witness, you can send the txid of bitcoin transaction to the third person which the person can use to trace the transaction on blockchain.
It can neither be used as evidence. How can the witness verify that the merchant indeed requested his coins to be sent at the address provided by the client?

Assuming that there is a lightning network transaction between two people and they want to make evidence to be available to another person as witness
What's the use case here? Is it to be able to prove fraud, for instance when a seller says you didn't pay, while you say you did?
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I can only think of one way, but very few merchants do it: use PGP. The merchant signs a message including the address he wants you to send your coins in. Later, you send them. He cannot deny that's his, as you have a signed, solid evidence.

No, you can't use this in LN. Only the peers (the two LN nodes) can have this information for themselves, and cannot prove it to a third-party.

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