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This morning as usual I opened Twitter and found a video of a Vintage Slot Machine that was still working fine. So amazing when seeing how the mechanism shown in the Vintage slot machine. This is the work of an amazing machine engineer, who can create such an intricate slot machine. If Online casinos are now using software to program Slot Machines and there may be some manipulation being done, then what about Vintage slot machines like this? Whether this Vintage slot machine can also be set to the wishes of the owner, or this will only depend on how lucky we are. But having one Vintage Slot machine like this will save me to play slots, because you don't need to spend any more money and do as much as you like to play it. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.talkimg.com%2Fimages%2F2024%2F03%2F31%2FVRRY8.png&t=665&c=RuqkQXFrRezsrg) Source: https://twitter.com/Rainmaker1973/status/1773627645403537884
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I have been fascinated by this too. I did some research and found this article written about how classic slot machine works.on How stuff work website. The machine engineers were pretty detailed aand we have to appreciate the effort that went into thos wheels, levels and gears that made up the old slot machine. I know you'll be interested in this article so here is the link - https://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/slot-machine.htm?srch_tag=gw5f3ujklwwk7u3hmespyuf4c77ou7jmI'm terms of manipulation, well I wouldn't call it that. I'll say house edge because it has to be set in such a way that the operators has more wins so as not to go bankrupt. No manipulation just some mechanical settings.
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As far as I know, before a physical slot machine will be used in actual live gambling, there are checking and auditing on how that machine works, and the casino or the one involved in creating the machine has to explain the whole mechanism of its winning rate or we can call it similar to RTP in the modern slot.
That goes on vintage slot machines but as always, the machine was designed to give casinos more profit compared to what users can take home, as that was what gambling is supposed to be. I hope we can find details on how the random algorithm works on vintage slot machines or how it follows a random result.
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Whether or not you are playing on a machine that might be tight or loose would likely depend on whether the machine you are playing on is in a legal jurisdiction or not. Illegal operators would probably set the machine for the highest house setting whereas legal establishments probably have to abide by some sort of regulation.
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Thanks for the article, I tried to read it carefully, but it seemed difficult to understand. The explanation is certainly very complex and very foreign to me. I'm terms of manipulation, well I wouldn't call it that. I'll say house edge because it has to be set in such a way that the operators has more wins so as not to go bankrupt. No manipulation just some mechanical settings.
And yes, the term I should be using, because every casino is looking to profit from the machines they provide for gambling. If it only benefits the player, then the casino will go bankrupt.
-snip- I hope we can find details on how the random algorithm works on vintage slot machines or how it follows a random result.
You can read the article given by @Davidvistorson, there has been explained how slot machines work.
Whether or not you are playing on a machine that might be tight or loose would likely depend on whether the machine you are playing on is in a legal jurisdiction or not. Illegal operators would probably set the machine for the highest house setting whereas legal establishments probably have to abide by some sort of regulation.
Never played such or any other antique slot machine because in my country alone there are no such machines, no gambling establishments. With regard to legal jurisdictions as well as some audits conducted on slot machines, whether, slot games available at online casinos must also comply with legal jurisdictions and conduct audits before being given to players. Since many online casinos are illegal and do not have any licenses, I found many casino advertisements that promise huge profits with slot gambling.
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Whether or not you are playing on a machine that might be tight or loose would likely depend on whether the machine you are playing on is in a legal jurisdiction or not. Illegal operators would probably set the machine for the highest house setting whereas legal establishments probably have to abide by some sort of regulation.
You reminded me when no regulation at all was some years ago in the Western Balkans and the houses were setting up these type of slots in such a way that the house would get 86% and the people 14%,this was the highest of the slot machines namely Apex from Austria let the maximum to be permitted as a house edge.This was in Montenegro,Kosovo,Serbia,Albania and North Macedonia that I have experienced first hand as I was having work trips in such countries many years ago and I still remember the rage of people in all these countries when losing money while I imagined how much the owners of landline casinos would be laughing at people stupidity.
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I remember wanting one of these as a kid. It seemed like they were commonly available back in the day but I can’t say I’ve seen one for sale in many years. Probably some new laws about gambling or something keeping them from being sold to the normal folks. If I recall correctly, in the late 80s you could get a working slot machine like this for around $500.
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Reading your statement and seeing that image, it's a different thing that comes to my mind when I see an opened vintage slot machine. The story of that guy who cheated by studying those machines and rigging them. Tommy Glenn Carmichael. I forgot where I watched that story of him but for four decades he had been escaping the law until the FBI came in and investigated. Millions of dollars, he got a lot of money because he truly learned how to do it and studied it carefully by buying slot machines and tinkering with them. I'd like to buy one too if there's a chance but not to mimic what that guy did. It's only for entertainment and I think the kids would love to have that kind of vintage game inside the house. I mean it is a good decoration and also could be entertaining especially if you are not spending anything. If I have that, I am thinking about putting some money in though, and maybe test my luck. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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Well, that slot machine actually looks amazing for sure the way it rotates and stops is just great seeing those machine parts. I mean this is still used in casinos right so I have to assume that there are some ways where the casino is always going to end up making money at some point, It is difficult to think about these things for sure compared to right now which is online gambling just thinking about it, it can easily be rig at some point where the roulette there could somehow end up not winning anything at a certain time, probably it is going to lose 10times then win 3 times something like that, we that way the casino is already going to make a profit and at the same time, there are people who are winning this slot machines. I could easily imagine that it could be the case here even though it might be an old machine, I mean it might be put luck as well since there was actually a higher chance for the gambler to win since getting that reel jackpot is going to be difficult anyway. Probably it is just a matter of how many players are actually going to use it, but looking at these machines they are just very attractive to gamblers, I don't know if it was just me but it was kinda fun playing slot machines with just looking at it, its colorful, it's a nice piece of machinery.
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This is a gem. I’m dreaming having a machine like this now because I grew up on a neighborhood that has an illegal gambling den with this kind of vintage slot machine while it brings back my good old days when I’m having a penny and risk it on that stupid machine just to multiply it which never happened back then. I watch a video from Pawnstar episode that featured vintage wooden slot machine. I’m always fascinated on this vintage collection but sadly it’s very hard to find one now since this kind of machine is frequently being destroyed since it’s illegal back then here in my country. I will post some picture if ever I landed to purchase one in my country.
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That's beautiful, thank you for sharing this video here with us. But I don't understand with such archaic mecanisms how they could be prefectly (or at least reasonably) random? Players could certainly be able to find some loopholes and patterns into these machines. So I don't know if the game was more risky for the house that is to say the owner of the slot machine or for the player at the end. Anyway it should be fun to see, listen and touch such old gambling machines.
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This is a gem. I’m dreaming having a machine like this now because I grew up on a neighborhood that has an illegal gambling den with this kind of vintage slot machine while it brings back my good old days when I’m having a penny and risk it on that stupid machine just to multiply it which never happened back then. I watch a video from Pawnstar episode that featured vintage wooden slot machine. I’m always fascinated on this vintage collection but sadly it’s very hard to find one now since this kind of machine is frequently being destroyed since it’s illegal back then here in my country. I will post some picture if ever I landed to purchase one in my country. $0.05 per spin and so much to win will get someone addicted to this game. It would be a gem to find one. They all landed in a junkyard somewhere and rotten. If people during that time thought that it would be a thing for the museum 50 years later, they would have kept them and sold them to Harrisons for thousands. Pony race machines back in the 90s were the craze back then. People love it, these slot and race machines do have patterns I guess.
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March 31, 2024, 07:10:38 PM |
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If Online casinos are now using software to program Slot Machines and there may be some manipulation being done, then what about Vintage slot machines like this?
There is nothing cannot be manipulated. It doesn't matter if it is analogy or digital, modern or vintage. Slots can be manipulated by dishonest owners for personal profit. There are two way which I learned that vintage slot machines are manipulated. One way is that they put a plug on the reel stop cog so the stop arm could never land on a particular symbol. Another way is that some of them won't let you win until a certain number of rolls are made.
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March 31, 2024, 07:30:24 PM |
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Owning that will probably be fun as you don't have to go somewhere else and you won't be spending any amount of money from there. And if you're just for it to have fun then it's worth it to own it. I think that it's got some IC chip inside and the algorithm of it was already programmed and that's already possible even before to make the favor go into the owner's hand.
It means that whoever plays it are unlikely to win or if they do, they're only going to win some few amounts. Well, what I like with the life before was that there is no pressure, you gamble and you're still fine as you won't be suffering a lot because the places were just chill and prolly the same with the people.
I guess there were some addicted slot gamblers already before and until now, many does suffer with that problem that only few able to survive with it based on their own ways of getting rid of it.
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But having one Vintage Slot machine like this will save me to play slots, because you don't need to spend any more money and do as much as you like to play it.
It would probably be fun to own one but I don't think will have the same effect as playing a slot machine where you are risking money and has a chance of winning, I mean the thrill risking your money and wanting to profit from gambling is one of the main reason why a lot of gamblers gamble.
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This slot is a pure mechanical slot, and I am not old enough to remember such slots, and maybe there were none in my country... at least I never saw anything similar to this one, except on some videos (Pawn Stars, Storage Wars, and similar). After a short search, I found this image, these kinds of slots we had here, and it looks similar to slots I was playing in the '90s. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftalkimg.com%2Fimages%2F2024%2F03%2F31%2FVtIDl.jpeg&t=665&c=bofjfaVwfTrGfw) There was a key (the owner had it) and he could set up "the house edge" and how much money it would give with that key. I have watched the owner do it several times for slot and poker machines.
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March 31, 2024, 09:30:23 PM |
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I have also felt much curiosity and enthusiasm for those old slots machines. Since I was a child I have always wanted to own one of those, but they are rather difficult to find here in my country, nowadays with some luck one can only get some of the modern ones which are electronic. In my opinion, one of the biggest challenges for engineers, besides the system to handle the coins within the machine, was the way to guarantee there was enough entropy within the mechanical system for it to be considered to be gambling and nobody would realize there was some way to find a pattern for their own benefit. You know. Nowadays and thanks to the technology we all have available, it is rather easy to generate entropy using electronic means, anyone of us could get a true random number generator if we needed to, but it is a completely different thing to try to generate random numbers using a lever, springs and gears. One of these days, when I have got some spare time, I will try to find an explanatory video on how those slots machines actually managed to get enough entropy to satisfy the standards of regulators. ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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This is an interesting take to buy a physical slot machine to reduce gsmbling spending.
It's like a fidget toy to cut cigarettes and smoking hehe. Of you are just used to the motion and the habit of the spins then it's a good buy and more people should consider this idea. I think it would work with many people because the habit and passing time is important to them generally. But a big issue here is also that maybe someone will use it till very bored with it and might want to go back to the real thing. Or maybe after you are bored with it you just use it as a paperweight and be done with gambling entirely. Which is a good outcome also.
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This morning as usual I opened Twitter and found a video of a Vintage Slot Machine that was still working fine. So amazing when seeing how the mechanism shown in the Vintage slot machine. This is the work of an amazing machine engineer, who can create such an intricate slot machine. If Online casinos are now using software to program Slot Machines and there may be some manipulation being done, then what about Vintage slot machines like this? Whether this Vintage slot machine can also be set to the wishes of the owner, or this will only depend on how lucky we are. But having one Vintage Slot machine like this will save me to play slots, because you don't need to spend any more money and do as much as you like to play it. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.talkimg.com%2Fimages%2F2024%2F03%2F31%2FVRRY8.png&t=665&c=RuqkQXFrRezsrg) Source: https://twitter.com/Rainmaker1973/status/1773627645403537884Probability, a slot machine, or this kind of gambling game that relies on probability—yes, you need luck in order to be in the probability of winning—but do mind that winning in a slot machine relies on probability. Yes, you need luck in order to have a high probability of winning, but do keep in mind that winning in a slot machine is not easy, but it is fun and addictive. Well, it's because of how interesting it is and how calm and relaxed you can be. But yeah, this kind of machine has a probability mechanism where there's a certain play or spin you could do before the winning match could align, and believe me, it will take a lot of tries or attempts in order to attain that probability. In terms of online slot machines, I don't play that because it is also based on probability, as the programme may be doing random patterns, but I still can't stop thinking that it can be programmemed to show the winning pattern less than it should be. Of course, who's businessman will make a gambling game online that a player could win easily, right?.
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This morning as usual I opened Twitter and found a video of a Vintage Slot Machine that was still working fine. So amazing when seeing how the mechanism shown in the Vintage slot machine. This is the work of an amazing machine engineer, who can create such an intricate slot machine. If Online casinos are now using software to program Slot Machines and there may be some manipulation being done, then what about Vintage slot machines like this? Whether this Vintage slot machine can also be set to the wishes of the owner, or this will only depend on how lucky we are. But having one Vintage Slot machine like this will save me to play slots, because you don't need to spend any more money and do as much as you like to play it. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.talkimg.com%2Fimages%2F2024%2F03%2F31%2FVRRY8.png&t=665&c=RuqkQXFrRezsrg) Source: https://twitter.com/Rainmaker1973/status/1773627645403537884 Meh, most vintage slot machines follow the same design language, and unless you're a moldbreaking manufacturer who always do things in his own way and not through cookie-cutter means (in which case why the hell are you doing that?) There's really nothing to be so shocked and surprised about the technology of a vintage slot machine. Matter of fact, these crank slots are often susceptible to tampering by its very own players, to tip the odds in their favor for the most part, so for me, it's still great that we have these digital slot machines that leave no room for error. Machines like these are only really good for collection and nothing else, plus points if they are still functional but they don't really need to be. If it's from a well-known manufacturer it could shell you out a couple thousand dollars depending on the condition, but if it's from a lesser-known manufacturer, prepare to only get a couple hundred from it. Slot machines of the past are cool and all but there's a reason why we have digital variants that are more liked by the casino and the player. It's time we stop making these and instead acquire these for collection purposes only.
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