A new Russian-Finnish war is coming

[paxmao]

Except for the Russian, nuclear weapon threat, I doubt that they can afford another invasion or war with another country, after what they're experiencing in Ukraine, presently. They thought that the Ukraine, invasion will be a walk in the park, I'm sure that they never envisioned what is happening now, so it's definitely a lesson for them to think twice before considering war again, even if it's a waker country.

With Finland, joining NATO, I believe that Russia, will know their boundary and not consider trespassing with a war with on a NATO member country, because they'll not be facing Finland alone, but the entire NATO alliance. This war has shown that a powerful force like Russia, can be vulnerable, they would have been better off not starting the war in the first place.

The OP has not given much of an argument for this post, I am not sure he has thought over this issue. There are, as of now and while NATO holds, not much of an incentive for Putin to try escalating so directly against a NATO country, even if he tries to make it look like a "liberation of Ruzzians" or some other idiotic propaganda proposal.

[Alik Bahshi]

Putin received another blow from Finland, which became a NATO member, because Finland signed a security treaty with Ukraine. We must remember that Finland has claims against Russia, which took away its territories in 1940, and in the event of Russia’s defeat in the war with Ukraine, Finland will return its ancestral lands.

[BADecker]

Putin received another blow from Finland, which became a NATO member, because Finland signed a security treaty with Ukraine. We must remember that Finland has claims against Russia, which took away its territories in 1940, and in the event of Russia’s defeat in the war with Ukraine, Finland will return its ancestral lands.

But Russia will win. I don't like it, either. But we can see that they will win in three major things:
1. The sanctions made Russia stronger;
2. The US and Nato are backing off the funding to Ukraine;
3. Russia is easily hanging onto the land they took from Ukraine.

How do these things show that Russia will win? They show that the behind-the-scenes controllers are making it happen this way. When the US, Nato, Ukraine, and the USD banking system fail, these controllers will set up their one-world government in Russia. The 3 things listed above are only 3 of a host of ways that show that the USD banking system is failing.

If you are not secretly part of the rising Russia, you should look into what is really going on, and warn the people of the world appropriately... rather than simply yacking about how strong the US and Nato are.

[darkangel11]

Putin received another blow from Finland, which became a NATO member, because Finland signed a security treaty with Ukraine. We must remember that Finland has claims against Russia, which took away its territories in 1940, and in the event of Russia’s defeat in the war with Ukraine, Finland will return its ancestral lands.

It will not because in such case Finland would be on its own, without NATO support.
While Russia is no match for NATO, even defeated Russia is too much for Finland to handle. You're not putting a serious thought to it, are you?
How would you expect Russia to react if Finland moved the border. I suspect it would get a steady inflow of volunteers ready to defend the Motherland.

3. Russia is easily hanging onto the land they took from Ukraine.

Are you really calling over 300 thousand dead Russians "easy"?
Let's just forget that Russia was at the doorstep of Kiev 2 years ago and now it's back near Donetsk.
The whole war is about less than 10% of the land Ukraine owned before it broke out. This could be compared to Mexicans invading Texas at the cost of 30% of all its active soldiers and after 2 years of war still holding only that territory.

[BADecker]

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3. Russia is easily hanging onto the land they took from Ukraine.

Are you really calling over 300 thousand dead Russians "easy"?
Let's just forget that Russia was at the doorstep of Kiev 2 years ago and now it's back near Donetsk.
The whole war is about less than 10% of the land Ukraine owned before it broke out. This could be compared to Mexicans invading Texas at the cost of 30% of all its active soldiers and after 2 years of war still holding only that territory.

There, corrected that for you.
Actually, it's like 400,000 dead Ukrainian soldiers, with maybe one dead Russian for every 6 or 7 dead Ukrainians.

Russia at Kiev was a 'scare' tactic. They weren't forced out. They left, because neither conquering Kiev or Ukraine is/was their goal. Again, Russia's goals with Ukraine were/are:
1. To stop the Ukraine government killing of Russians and Ukrainians in the Donetsk area; US finance has expanded a Russian police action into this war, with many more dead.
2. Stop the Nato/US encroachment that was trying to break Russia up and take it over;
3. Maintain a 'pathway' from Russia to the Black Sea... which Russia would have paid Ukraine for if Ukraine had been peaceful.

Russia is gradually advancing the front, not falling back.

The US supported Ukraine government has caused these deaths. It's the US government and banking system that is using Ukraine, and causing the deaths of a bunch of ignorant Ukrainian people who think they are defending their homeland. Look at what the Ukrainian people had in mind starting at the time of the fall of the USSR - 1991. They wanted peaceful trade with Nato and Russia. It was the US that couldn't take this. So they are 'punishing' Ukraine with limited support in the hopes that Ukraine can take out Russia. How silly!

[Xal0lex]

BADecker, enough with the off-topic. Look at the theme of the topic. It's about the possibility of a Russian-Finnish war. And you stick your posts about Ukraine everywhere. I will delete all further off-topic posts after this post. Then don't cry.

There is no need to respond to my post.

[af_newbie]

Alik Bakhshi

A new Russian-Finnish war is coming

        The Russian-Finnish War of 1939-1940 began with an ultimatum from Moscow to transfer part of the territory of Finland to the USSR, namely the Korel Isthmus and islands in the Gulf of Finland in order to ensure the security of Leningrad. In other words, the Finns recklessly placed their country too close to the city of revolutionary glory, which the insidious Finns could subject to artillery fire. As a result of the war, the Finns lost 10% of their territory and Vyborg, the second largest city in Finland. Today the threat from Finland has returned again, which, having become a NATO member, has the opportunity to fire at the same city, now St. Petersburg, with NATO missiles. Due to the fact that the threat situation has returned, we must expect a new ultimatum for the Finns to move the border beyond the flight time, that is, to move the country to the ice of the Arctic Ocean, otherwise they will suffer the same fate as Ukraine.

       03/22/2024

I don't think so. I think Putin is hell-bent on conquering Ukraine first.

And if NATO/US does not help or helps too late, he might succeed.

Russian Kharkiv offensive will probably start soon to divert resources from the south.

I think next countries to fall after Ukraine will be Moldova, Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia.

His plans are probably to control Bulgaria and Romania before going after Finland.

Maybe he will push to control Poland as well (Polish farmers anyone? lol). Slovakia and Hungary have been bought and paid for.

[Alik Bahshi]

Except for the Russian, nuclear weapon threat, I doubt that they can afford another invasion or war with another country, after what they're experiencing in Ukraine, presently. They thought that the Ukraine, invasion will be a walk in the park, I'm sure that they never envisioned what is happening now, so it's definitely a lesson for them to think twice before considering war again, even if it's a waker country.

With Finland, joining NATO, I believe that Russia, will know their boundary and not consider trespassing with a war with on a NATO member country, because they'll not be facing Finland alone, but the entire NATO alliance. This war has shown that a powerful force like Russia, can be vulnerable, they would have been better off not starting the war in the first place.

The OP has not given much of an argument for this post, I am not sure he has thought over this issue. There are, as of now and while NATO holds, not much of an incentive for Putin to try escalating so directly against a NATO country, even if he tries to make it look like a "liberation of Ruzzians" or some other idiotic propaganda proposal.

You did not understand the sarcasm, I meant that if in 1940 Russia had a reason to attack Finland, today this reason has returned due to joining NATO. Look, Putin said that he attacked Ukraine only because it could join NATO, and the Finns have already joined NATO, but Putin is silent. This means that Putin is lying, and the reason for the war with Ukraine is completely different, namely, Putin wants to restore the empire within the borders of the USSR and started with Ukraine and Georgia.

Putin received another blow from Finland, which became a NATO member, because Finland signed a security treaty with Ukraine. We must remember that Finland has claims against Russia, which took away its territories in 1940, and in the event of Russia’s defeat in the war with Ukraine, Finland will return its ancestral lands.

It will not because in such case Finland would be on its own, without NATO support.
While Russia is no match for NATO, even defeated Russia is too much for Finland to handle. You're not putting a serious thought to it, are you?
How would you expect Russia to react if Finland moved the border. I suspect it would get a steady inflow of volunteers ready to defend the Motherland.

I mean that if Russia loses the war with Ukraine, then it will collapse in the future like any colonial empire, and then Finland will regain its lost territories.


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[be.open]

Putin received another blow from Finland, which became a NATO member, because Finland signed a security treaty with Ukraine. We must remember that Finland has claims against Russia, which took away its territories in 1940, and in the event of Russia’s defeat in the war with Ukraine, Finland will return its ancestral lands.

It will not because in such case Finland would be on its own, without NATO support.
While Russia is no match for NATO, even defeated Russia is too much for Finland to handle. You're not putting a serious thought to it, are you?
How would you expect Russia to react if Finland moved the border. I suspect it would get a steady inflow of volunteers ready to defend the Motherland.

I mean that if Russia loses the war with Ukraine, then it will collapse in the future like any colonial empire, and then Finland will regain its lost territories.
  

There is a legend that one day Philip II (father of Alexander the Great) sent a letter to the Spartans with the following content: “I have conquered all of Greece, I have the best army in the world. Surrender, because if I capture Sparta by force, if I break its gates, if I break through its walls with battering rams, I will mercilessly destroy your gardens, enslave your people and destroy the city!”

He received a short answer from the Spartans: “If”.

[Alik Bahshi]

Putin received another blow from Finland, which became a NATO member, because Finland signed a security treaty with Ukraine. We must remember that Finland has claims against Russia, which took away its territories in 1940, and in the event of Russia’s defeat in the war with Ukraine, Finland will return its ancestral lands.

It will not because in such case Finland would be on its own, without NATO support.
While Russia is no match for NATO, even defeated Russia is too much for Finland to handle. You're not putting a serious thought to it, are you?
How would you expect Russia to react if Finland moved the border. I suspect it would get a steady inflow of volunteers ready to defend the Motherland.

I mean that if Russia loses the war with Ukraine, then it will collapse in the future like any colonial empire, and then Finland will regain its lost territories.
  

There is a legend that one day Philip II (father of Alexander the Great) sent a letter to the Spartans with the following content: “I have conquered all of Greece, I have the best army in the world. Surrender, because if I capture Sparta by force, if I break its gates, if I break through its walls with battering rams, I will mercilessly destroy your gardens, enslave your people and destroy the city!”

He received a short answer from the Spartans: “If”.

There are two expressions - "if" and
"if this happened." So in the first one, all options are open.

[o48o]

Putin received another blow from Finland, which became a NATO member, because Finland signed a security treaty with Ukraine. We must remember that Finland has claims against Russia, which took away its territories in 1940, and in the event of Russia’s defeat in the war with Ukraine, Finland will return its ancestral lands.

It will not because in such case Finland would be on its own, without NATO support.
While Russia is no match for NATO, even defeated Russia is too much for Finland to handle. You're not putting a serious thought to it, are you?
How would you expect Russia to react if Finland moved the border. I suspect it would get a steady inflow of volunteers ready to defend the Motherland.

I am not sure where this is coming from. It's a running joke here in Finland that we should get Karjala (Karelia) back, but that's just from memes and jokes. No one in here is seriously suggesting that. And Russia would have hard time invading Finland even without Nato. Soviet Union has tried it before and we were way less prepared for it back then. For starters, territory is way more difficult for invasion, and Finnish armed forces have thought countless war scenarios and prepared for them.

One example of such jokes in a sketch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlh1woCfQPM

[Alik Bahshi]

Putin received another blow from Finland, which became a NATO member, because Finland signed a security treaty with Ukraine. We must remember that Finland has claims against Russia, which took away its territories in 1940, and in the event of Russia’s defeat in the war with Ukraine, Finland will return its ancestral lands.

It will not because in such case Finland would be on its own, without NATO support.
While Russia is no match for NATO, even defeated Russia is too much for Finland to handle. You're not putting a serious thought to it, are you?
How would you expect Russia to react if Finland moved the border. I suspect it would get a steady inflow of volunteers ready to defend the Motherland.

I am not sure where this is coming from. It's a running joke here in Finland that we should get Karjala (Karelia) back, but that's just from memes and jokes. No one in here is seriously suggesting that. And Russia would have hard time invading Finland even without Nato. Soviet Union has tried it before and we were way less prepared for it back then. For starters, territory is way more difficult for invasion, and Finnish armed forces have thought countless war scenarios and prepared for them.

One example of such jokes in a sketch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlh1woCfQPM

 The jokes will end as soon as the Russian Empire begins to fall apart. Karelia will return to Finland along with Vyborg - the second largest city in Finland.

[o48o]

The jokes will end as soon as the Russian Empire begins to fall apart. Karelia will return to Finland along with Vyborg - the second largest city in Finland.

Wasn't this thread about Russian-Finnish war? How is that going to happen if Russia breaks down? Or are you talking after that?

And Russia felling apart is a whole new conversation, as determining how it will get divided and who would rule these sections is anyone's guess.

But i don't get why you think Karelia or Vvborg would just get "returned" to Finland. Huge majority of karelians are russians now and i don't believe they would be anxious to join whole another country with a hardcore level mother language. And while Vyborg might have been 2nd biggest city in those days standards, current population of it wouldn't cut anywhere near top, and majority of their population is swedish/russians origins too.

Finland didn't get Karelia or Vvborg when Soviet union fell either, nor Finland requested that. Russia falling down again doesn't mean that russians stop existing and they will start under china / usa / finland flag or something.

[Alik Bahshi]

The jokes will end as soon as the Russian Empire begins to fall apart. Karelia will return to Finland along with Vyborg - the second largest city in Finland.

Wasn't this thread about Russian-Finnish war? How is that going to happen if Russia breaks down? Or are you talking after that?

And Russia felling apart is a whole new conversation, as determining how it will get divided and who would rule these sections is anyone's guess.

But i don't get why you think Karelia or Vvborg would just get "returned" to Finland. Huge majority of karelians are russians now and i don't believe they would be anxious to join whole another country with a hardcore level mother language. And while Vyborg might have been 2nd biggest city in those days standards, current population of it wouldn't cut anywhere near top, and majority of their population is swedish/russians origins too.

Finland didn't get Karelia or Vvborg when Soviet union fell either, nor Finland requested that. Russia falling down again doesn't mean that russians stop existing and they will start under china / usa / finland flag or something.

I proceed from the fact that Russia is an empire, and therefore it will not avoid collapse, like all empires. Russia will cease to exist and shrink to Muscovy. Its border to the East will be limited to Tatarstan. The Caucasus will be completely freed from the dictates of the Kremlin. I have an old article “When the Donkey Dies,” I’ll post it now.

[Hispo]

The jokes will end as soon as the Russian Empire begins to fall apart. Karelia will return to Finland along with Vyborg - the second largest city in Finland.

Wasn't this thread about Russian-Finnish war? How is that going to happen if Russia breaks down? Or are you talking after that?

And Russia felling apart is a whole new conversation, as determining how it will get divided and who would rule these sections is anyone's guess.

But i don't get why you think Karelia or Vvborg would just get "returned" to Finland. Huge majority of karelians are russians now and i don't believe they would be anxious to join whole another country with a hardcore level mother language. And while Vyborg might have been 2nd biggest city in those days standards, current population of it wouldn't cut anywhere near top, and majority of their population is swedish/russians origins too.

Finland didn't get Karelia or Vvborg when Soviet union fell either, nor Finland requested that. Russia falling down again doesn't mean that russians stop existing and they will start under china / usa / finland flag or something.

I proceed from the fact that Russia is an empire, and therefore it will not avoid collapse, like all empires. Russia will cease to exist and shrink to Muscovy. Its border to the East will be limited to Tatarstan. The Caucasus will be completely freed from the dictates of the Kremlin. I have an old article “When the Donkey Dies,” I’ll post it now.

I have my own opinions and views on why Russia could be an empire and much of it comes from their past and they way they act today, however, since you seem to be very involved in these political arguments and news, I would like to know your opinion on why Russia is an empire nowadays. If you don't mind sharing, that is.
Also, if we say Russia is an empire then under the same logic we are supposed to also point out other countries like the United States and the European Union are also organizations which could be categorized as empires. Are we supposed to also assume the downfall of the United States and the European Union is unevitable?

By the way, some coworker of mine just showed some podcast he was listening to, a speech of Putin about the West and the Allies of the USA, and I must say the Russian progapanda is quite a thing. He has completely turned into a pro-Russian person and despises the United States.
The influence of the Kremlin in Latin America is not supposed to be underestimated...

[Bushdark]

If things continue in this pattern, the entire Europe would be a war come soon and that is what we don't want to see.
I think we need to ask the question when the Finnes could afford a war with the Russians? This is going to be an expensive war if it ever happens and I don't think the world is ready for disaster as a result of war with Russia. There is no need for any how because this should not be a means of retaliation because there land was taken from them. The world need to embrace peace before it's too late.