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April 05, 2024, 06:57:42 AM
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So I happened to watch a UFC related movie yesterday and the main character is a very strong one who never loses a fight but during a fight he decided to lose the fight, I found out that he did it intentionally because his uncle and his uncle's friend bet a lot on the biggest odd, which is the other fighter.

He lost the fight and he still made a lot of money from his uncle and his uncle's friend, how brilliant? Since they use a large amount and also on the biggest odd, but I think about the other gamblers who chose to bet on him because there was assurance that he would win the fight.

Now I started to think about the real life UFC, maybe this is even happening underground and we don't know? Jake and Mike Tyson's upcoming fight for example is gearing up, many believe that Mike will win, but maybe something like this will happen?

Many gamblers are placing bets on this fighter since its more reliable than you against the casino games, this is all about agility and skills, but the possibility of intent loss to make more money is also possible in this game, what's your take on this?
I only place low wagers on fights due to the fact that they could be fixed. I don't think Dana White would allow it and would likely ban a fighter for life if he found out, but I'm sure that it has happened.

Far as Jake Paul and Tyson goes, Tyson would kill him if they were going at it. I am pretty sure they are just doing a glorified sparring match and Jake is supposed to be the winner. It's a joke.
I don't really know much about the UFC rule but base on your reply I can say no sport allow the sports men and women to place bet on themselves though I guess they bet on other games while their relative or friends placing a bet on their game is also not allowed and players caught faces punishment for it, this is from my knowledge from football but I guessed it holds the  same on  every sport
Yes, definitely there should be certain rules against the players from making bets tho, it's likely possible they can do it without being caught, who gets involved and was caught is who they considers a victim of law breaking. In every sports I believe their is every means deployed by this experts to make the game look not rigged whereas an under ground work is being carried out. We as gamblers may not be opportuned to detect all this, we just stake or bet under probability and waits the outcome. Whoever is found guilty should be severely punished, for misleading gamblers who staked their wins on him, with some months ban and a fine.

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April 05, 2024, 07:20:27 AM
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If someone bet Jake Paul vs Mike Tyson and believe the match will going to serious, they're made mistake. You can't really know which one will win because it's an exhibition match, so I won't be surprised if Jake Paul will win.

So I happened to watch a UFC related movie yesterday and the main character is a very strong one who never loses a fight but during a fight he decided to lose the fight, I found out that he did it intentionally because his uncle and his uncle's friend bet a lot on the biggest odd, which is the other fighter.
I believe this is illegal in professional match, the player must not intentionally lose the fight and his relatives must not bet on his match. That's why most casinos ask KYC to prevent from this kind to happen.

It is still very possible for a relative to place a bet on his relative even if KYC is involved, all they need to do is ask a friend to pass the KYC and the friend will also be the one to place the bet, the person's name and surname will be different, enough to confuse the platform that they are not related in any way.

You also called the Mike Tyson and Jake Paul fight an exhibition, that sounds like something that can definitely be rigged, it's left for them to choose, win for themselves and their statue, or win or lose for more money.

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April 05, 2024, 07:39:45 AM
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not only in the UFC but in all sporting events sometimes there are very bad things like insider betting as you said and previously there have been discussions regarding this issue so maybe a lot of people already understand incidents like this and indeed things like what you said it becomes a fear to try betting on sports betting but for me only my own mind is able to throw away negative thoughts like that and prefer to think that whatever happens gambling is always full of surprises and of course luck is also very important.
like in football betting, problems like this often occur, whereas UFC is the sport that many people like the most, only with 1vs1 you can manipulate to give in to lose just for money from the other direction.

with an incident like this, it might be a valuable lesson that betting on casino games or sports betting or any type of betting still has to use an amount that you can afford to lose and to avoid things like this, even though UFC is very profitable, there will still be surprises.

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April 05, 2024, 07:48:04 AM
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So I happened to watch a UFC related movie yesterday and the main character is a very strong one who never loses a fight but during a fight he decided to lose the fight, I found out that he did it intentionally because his uncle and his uncle's friend bet a lot on the biggest odd, which is the other fighter.

He lost the fight and he still made a lot of money from his uncle and his uncle's friend, how brilliant? Since they use a large amount and also on the biggest odd, but I think about the other gamblers who chose to bet on him because there was assurance that he would win the fight.

Now I started to think about the real life UFC, maybe this is even happening underground and we don't know? Jake and Mike Tyson's upcoming fight for example is gearing up, many believe that Mike will win, but maybe something like this will happen?

Many gamblers are placing bets on this fighter since its more reliable than you against the casino games, this is all about agility and skills, but the possibility of intent loss to make more money is also possible in this game, what's your take on this?

         -   I think that often happens when there is a fight, that instead of betting on their player, they bet on the opponent because of the realistic or practical nature that I see in this kind of thing.
And it doesn't just happen in the UFC fight; it also happens in the boxing fight.

Now for the fight that will happen with Mike Tyson, we don't know if that will happen; it may or may not, and we will know that when it is there on the day of the fight, for sure.

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April 05, 2024, 08:40:56 AM
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How funny it sounds saying it is more reliable even when you just said someone who has never lost a fight intentionally lost a particular fight due to stakes involved against his opponent but meanwhile... There are other bettors who staked that he would win and believing in him to be a fighter who never lost his matches but unfortunately he lost and those who predicted on him to win failed.

Nothing changes in the luckiness of gambling.

Mike Tyson has made some influential histories so if I would have to bet on the match, I would like bet on him to win and also in the fact that I am his fan.
I will always bet on the side that I will enjoy the game being aware that I may lose or not. 

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April 05, 2024, 09:51:47 AM
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So I happened to watch a UFC related movie yesterday and the main character is a very strong one who never loses a fight but during a fight he decided to lose the fight, I found out that he did it intentionally because his uncle and his uncle's friend bet a lot on the biggest odd, which is the other fighter.

He lost the fight and he still made a lot of money from his uncle and his uncle's friend, how brilliant? Since they use a large amount and also on the biggest odd, but I think about the other gamblers who chose to bet on him because there was assurance that he would win the fight.

Now I started to think about the real life UFC, maybe this is even happening underground and we don't know? Jake and Mike Tyson's upcoming fight for example is gearing up, many believe that Mike will win, but maybe something like this will happen?

Many gamblers are placing bets on this fighter since its more reliable than you against the casino games, this is all about agility and skills, but the possibility of intent loss to make more money is also possible in this game, what's your take on this?
what you've watched isn't just applicable in movies alone, in real ufc fights, thier area matches that are fixed and it's almost certain that it will go on favor of a particular guy. Sports is no longer all about the entertainment it used to be in the past. Each fighter has his own sponsors and all of them want to make in big from whoever they are sponsoring. Iether a fighter wins or looses in a match, he still goes home with his money and and so it's not strange that they might just get paid to fake some sort of knock out and get a folk to win even when he is the weaker fighter. Similar scenario played out during the Anthony Joshua vs Frances fight when it was obvious that the match was already fixed and the fighters just had to come up and entertain their audience and go home with the bag.

To some extent, it's unfair to spectators who pay to get thier ticket expecting that thier favourite fighter wins the match only to witness a display of laxity that's mere product of a manipulated system. Their are real fights that's see till neutral in the UFC but few of them are damn fixed.

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April 05, 2024, 11:19:09 AM
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Reading about your topic made me realize that these things may do happen in real life, although we do not know for sure if these kinds of scenarios do happen or not. I'm not a sports enthusiast or UFC fan but I'm sure that the sports organizations have preventive measures such as regulations to ensure that these kinds of scenarios would not happen in their sports because it would ruin the organization's integrity and reputation as well as their player or fighters.
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April 05, 2024, 12:04:47 PM
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Yes, this kind of things happen, and proof of it is that in many jurisdictions there is criminal legislation on the matter. For example, in Spain it was quite famous some time ago the regulation regarding sports competitions, specially La Liga; and we recently knew about at least one referee who was allegedly bribed.

So yes, it happens, although in which sports and how often will remain a mystery, like most shady and illegal practices.

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April 05, 2024, 12:08:54 PM
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Money can make a lot of people go against their will. If the strongest fight gives up the fight to a weaker one, it means that the money involved is what he is after and not for respect. I am not surprised that nowadays, people prefer money to respect.

Matches that are been fixed, kills the fun and professionalism of the game, decieving people and extortiing them of their funds in disguise of a bet, which is against the law. I prefer to bet on football matches on big leagues to avoid being a victim to match fixing.
In the world we live in recently, everything is business and every organization is looking for ways to maximize their dividends. It would shock you if I mention that its not only match fixing that the sports world is into, they're using it for money laundering too, if not convince me why a player would be bought for a whooping €100m and be paid €4m monthly.

I think this money laundering present especially in football is why a spending limit was initiated to curb the way money moves around. There are more corruption in circulation and like I pointed out earlier, everything is now seen as business.

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April 05, 2024, 01:04:58 PM
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Reading about your topic made me realize that these things may do happen in real life, although we do not know for sure if these kinds of scenarios do happen or not. I'm not a sports enthusiast or UFC fan but I'm sure that the sports organizations have preventive measures such as regulations to ensure that these kinds of scenarios would not happen in their sports because it would ruin the organization's integrity and reputation as well as their player or fighters.
Yes, that's happen in real world but we don't knows for sure because that practices is hidden from public and not many people will knows. They are smart enough to hides their activity to makes the scenarios works for them without public knows so they can gets the benefits from the scenarios. We as a viewer only knows that the match is fair enough and not have that bad practice but the reality is we don't knows what happens to them. Some people gets the advantages of what they did and maybe the organizations doesn't knows about that or only some people inside the organizations knows about that practice. It will ruins the organizations reputations and integrity if the public knows the truth and the public will demo so the organizations can do prevention of that such practice.

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April 05, 2024, 01:57:24 PM
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Reading about your topic made me realize that these things may do happen in real life, although we do not know for sure if these kinds of scenarios do happen or not. I'm not a sports enthusiast or UFC fan but I'm sure that the sports organizations have preventive measures such as regulations to ensure that these kinds of scenarios would not happen in their sports because it would ruin the organization's integrity and reputation as well as their player or fighters.
Yes, that's happen in real world but we don't knows for sure because that practices is hidden from public and not many people will knows. They are smart enough to hides their activity to makes the scenarios works for them without public knows so they can gets the benefits from the scenarios. We as a viewer only knows that the match is fair enough and not have that bad practice but the reality is we don't knows what happens to them. Some people gets the advantages of what they did and maybe the organizations doesn't knows about that or only some people inside the organizations knows about that practice. It will ruins the organizations reputations and integrity if the public knows the truth and the public will demo so the organizations can do prevention of that such practice.

Match fixing has always been an issue when it comes to competitive sports and betting. It's as old as one can imagine and whatever issues our scenario imagined is actually a very big possibility.

I would like to think that this fixing of matches may become more prone in regions where it is like a major career and for those who enjoy placing a bet on such matches, it would be wise to research the region and cases of such previous happenings before betting huge.

It also would be a wise decision to bet on both sides if there's enough cash or better still, half the original amount intended to bet with on a single player (for boxing matches)and bet on both to win whichever way, incase there's suspicion of match fixing.

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April 05, 2024, 02:04:26 PM
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Many gamblers are placing bets on this fighter since its more reliable than you against the casino games, this is all about agility and skills, but the possibility of intent loss to make more money is also possible in this game, what's your take on this?
The bets can indeed be analyzed, it's the same as football betting. but it's still like what you said from the film you watched. manipulation can be carried out in sports matches. Maybe this is also related to the number of sports bets that occur in the match.
I'm not saying that the situation is like that, but we have certainly heard that in football, score fixing often occurs in one match to determine positions or tickets to qualify for the next round.
I personally avoid bets that are very clear or the results are certain. The first reason is that the odds are small, and the second is that surprises often occur beyond our predictions.

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April 05, 2024, 05:04:26 PM
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Reading about your topic made me realize that these things may do happen in real life, although we do not know for sure if these kinds of scenarios do happen or not. I'm not a sports enthusiast or UFC fan but I'm sure that the sports organizations have preventive measures such as regulations to ensure that these kinds of scenarios would not happen in their sports because it would ruin the organization's integrity and reputation as well as their player or fighters.
Yes, that's happen in real world but we don't knows for sure because that practices is hidden from public and not many people will knows. They are smart enough to hides their activity to makes the scenarios works for them without public knows so they can gets the benefits from the scenarios. We as a viewer only knows that the match is fair enough and not have that bad practice but the reality is we don't knows what happens to them. Some people gets the advantages of what they did and maybe the organizations doesn't knows about that or only some people inside the organizations knows about that practice. It will ruins the organizations reputations and integrity if the public knows the truth and the public will demo so the organizations can do prevention of that such practice.

True, we as spectators only know everything in general that is published and maybe we just know about which players have a high probability of winning the fight or match without the slightest thought that leads to the cheating scenario, but yes, however unexpected things like that are very possible or have the potential to actually happen but maybe I think such scenarios are quite rare because the problem is that it is impossible for a player or fighter who already has high flying hours and good popularity to sacrifice everything they have worked for just for money.

Although for example the public does not know about what really happened behind the scenes but still the defeat experienced by their favorite player will indirectly cause considerable disappointment and obviously this incident can make supporters put a bad point of view on players who pretend to lose just for money, which means that the player's popularity will at least definitely experience a decline and I'm sure most players don't want to sacrifice their popularity just for money alone.

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April 05, 2024, 10:45:13 PM
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Thing like this happen a lot, even in the football sector, there is quite a good number footballer who break FIFA rule by gambling on a match that they ought to play or gamble against themselves, and such player have quite a good reputation in their team to deliver against their opponent but yet, we watch them missing lots of chances with 80% probability that they ought to perform well. If FIFA finds out, the player in question will definitely get a ban and a fine for a period of time. Due to this fact, I believe it's enough reason to prove to everyone that gambling is entirely based on luck.

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April 06, 2024, 03:02:31 PM
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Match fixing has always been an issue when it comes to competitive sports and betting. It's as old as one can imagine and whatever issues our scenario imagined is actually a very big possibility.

I would like to think that this fixing of matches may become more prone in regions where it is like a major career and for those who enjoy placing a bet on such matches, it would be wise to research the region and cases of such previous happenings before betting huge.

It also would be a wise decision to bet on both sides if there's enough cash or better still, half the original amount intended to bet with on a single player (for boxing matches)and bet on both to win whichever way, incase there's suspicion of match fixing.
We don't needs to bothers to thinks about that and just act normally. If we wants to place a bet, we can try to analyzes the match before we decides. No matter what's the outcomes, we can accept that even if that match is fixing by some people. We don't have to place any bet if we thinks that match is fixing so we don't have to feels anything bad. We just follows what happens to the match.

Maybe we can feels that before we analyze the match or placing a bet because if that match is fixing by them, there will be a sign that be suspicious. People who familiar with that sign can guess that match is fixing by some people and they will not place a bet to any teams or player or they can place a bet with their selection. We must have aware of this and not make a decision if we are not sure so we don't have feels sad or regrets because we make a wrong decision.

True, we as spectators only know everything in general that is published and maybe we just know about which players have a high probability of winning the fight or match without the slightest thought that leads to the cheating scenario, but yes, however unexpected things like that are very possible or have the potential to actually happen but maybe I think such scenarios are quite rare because the problem is that it is impossible for a player or fighter who already has high flying hours and good popularity to sacrifice everything they have worked for just for money.

Although for example the public does not know about what really happened behind the scenes but still the defeat experienced by their favorite player will indirectly cause considerable disappointment and obviously this incident can make supporters put a bad point of view on players who pretend to lose just for money, which means that the player's popularity will at least definitely experience a decline and I'm sure most players don't want to sacrifice their popularity just for money alone.
That's we must not influence by that and accept whatever happens. Besides that, if we are only a viewer, we don't have to watch the match and can choose the other things that can entertain us. Many scenarios can happens with the fixing match so if we thinks that can't gives us the win, we don't have to place a bet instead just to watch the match. That's what people needs to do when they see the match that have a chance to be the fixing match by some people so they don't have to spends their money because the outcomes can be wild. But we can place a bet if we are okay if the money will be lost in that match.

Fans that will be sad when they see their star defeat in that match. But if fans knows about the fixing match, they will do something, especially if they see something wrong with their star. That will makes the organizations gets bad reputations and that means, corruptions or something like that already happens in the organizations. People will asks a higher level to investigate if they thinks that something wrong happens to that match.

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April 06, 2024, 03:51:36 PM
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Match fixing has always been an issue when it comes to competitive sports and betting. It's as old as one can imagine and whatever issues our scenario imagined is actually a very big possibility.

I would like to think that this fixing of matches may become more prone in regions where it is like a major career and for those who enjoy placing a bet on such matches, it would be wise to research the region and cases of such previous happenings before betting huge.

It also would be a wise decision to bet on both sides if there's enough cash or better still, half the original amount intended to bet with on a single player (for boxing matches)and bet on both to win whichever way, incase there's suspicion of match fixing.
We don't needs to bothers to thinks about that and just act normally. If we wants to place a bet, we can try to analyzes the match before we decides. No matter what's the outcomes, we can accept that even if that match is fixing by some people. We don't have to place any bet if we thinks that match is fixing so we don't have to feels anything bad. We just follows what happens to the match.

Maybe we can feels that before we analyze the match or placing a bet because if that match is fixing by them, there will be a sign that be suspicious. People who familiar with that sign can guess that match is fixing by some people and they will not place a bet to any teams or player or they can place a bet with their selection. We must have aware of this and not make a decision if we are not sure so we don't have feels sad or regrets because we make a wrong decision.

True, we as spectators only know everything in general that is published and maybe we just know about which players have a high probability of winning the fight or match without the slightest thought that leads to the cheating scenario, but yes, however unexpected things like that are very possible or have the potential to actually happen but maybe I think such scenarios are quite rare because the problem is that it is impossible for a player or fighter who already has high flying hours and good popularity to sacrifice everything they have worked for just for money.

Although for example the public does not know about what really happened behind the scenes but still the defeat experienced by their favorite player will indirectly cause considerable disappointment and obviously this incident can make supporters put a bad point of view on players who pretend to lose just for money, which means that the player's popularity will at least definitely experience a decline and I'm sure most players don't want to sacrifice their popularity just for money alone.
That's we must not influence by that and accept whatever happens. Besides that, if we are only a viewer, we don't have to watch the match and can choose the other things that can entertain us. Many scenarios can happens with the fixing match so if we thinks that can't gives us the win, we don't have to place a bet instead just to watch the match. That's what people needs to do when they see the match that have a chance to be the fixing match by some people so they don't have to spends their money because the outcomes can be wild. But we can place a bet if we are okay if the money will be lost in that match.

Fans that will be sad when they see their star defeat in that match. But if fans knows about the fixing match, they will do something, especially if they see something wrong with their star. That will makes the organizations gets bad reputations and that means, corruptions or something like that already happens in the organizations. People will asks a higher level to investigate if they thinks that something wrong happens to that match.
You got a very solid point on the fact that one shouldn't be bothered if any match is fixed, but should just bet anyways and perhaps the match results turn out to favour them.
That is the true story for those who just places their bet and go to sleep or to do some other more interesting activity, only to return and see that they have won big on a bet they didn't put so much thought to.

Over thinking will surely and always do take the fun and thrill out of any risky endeavor, mostly as regards gambling or placing a bet and that's the fact.

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April 06, 2024, 04:07:00 PM
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Thing like this happen a lot, even in the football sector, there is quite a good number footballer who break FIFA rule by gambling on a match that they ought to play or gamble against themselves, and such player have quite a good reputation in their team to deliver against their opponent but yet, we watch them missing lots of chances with 80% probability that they ought to perform well. If FIFA finds out, the player in question will definitely get a ban and a fine for a period of time. Due to this fact, I believe it's enough reason to prove to everyone that gambling is entirely based on luck.
Also happening in boxing, imagine a world champion being beaten by the challenger, and still get a huge amount of profit compare if he will win the match. This is how the contract works and of course, evert team have their own terms and conditions regardless of their reputation as long as the money speaks, they will obey and follow it. This is not new anymore as many rumors already spread before, and yet just a few held accountable for this.

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April 06, 2024, 04:16:45 PM
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Now I started to think about the real life UFC, maybe this is even happening underground and we don't know? Jake and Mike Tyson's upcoming fight for example is gearing up, many believe that Mike will win, but maybe something like this will happen?

Many gamblers are placing bets on this fighter since its more reliable than you against the casino games, this is all about agility and skills, but the possibility of intent loss to make more money is also possible in this game, what's your take on this?

Is different UFC than boxing, but for sure we have rigged games in both kinds of events, just remember what happened with the Logan Paul VS Mayweather Fight, it ended in a draw, so, all the people who bet on Logan or bets in Floyd lose their money. It was a great day for the casinos.

And we have seen in the past some fights where was obvious how does fighter A won while the Judge decided to give the match to fighter B. When there is a lot of money involved, weird results can show up.

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April 06, 2024, 07:44:43 PM
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So I happened to watch a UFC related movie yesterday and the main character is a very strong one who never loses a fight but during a fight he decided to lose the fight, I found out that he did it intentionally because his uncle and his uncle's friend bet a lot on the biggest odd, which is the other fighter.

He lost the fight and he still made a lot of money from his uncle and his uncle's friend, how brilliant? Since they use a large amount and also on the biggest odd, but I think about the other gamblers who chose to bet on him because there was assurance that he would win the fight.

Now I started to think about the real life UFC, maybe this is even happening underground and we don't know? Jake and Mike Tyson's upcoming fight for example is gearing up, many believe that Mike will win, but maybe something like this will happen?

Many gamblers are placing bets on this fighter since its more reliable than you against the casino games, this is all about agility and skills, but the possibility of intent loss to make more money is also possible in this game, what's your take on this?
It is called match-fixing and for this, a lot of gamblers suffer a lot for this type of match-fixing. Many people lose where there is a confirmed win. I hate any type of match-fixing as it is related to our emotions as well as our money.
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April 06, 2024, 09:55:54 PM
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So I happened to watch a UFC related movie yesterday and the main character is a very strong one who never loses a fight but during a fight he decided to lose the fight, I found out that he did it intentionally because his uncle and his uncle's friend bet a lot on the biggest odd, which is the other fighter.

He lost the fight and he still made a lot of money from his uncle and his uncle's friend, how brilliant? Since they use a large amount and also on the biggest odd, but I think about the other gamblers who chose to bet on him because there was assurance that he would win the fight.

Now I started to think about the real life UFC, maybe this is even happening underground and we don't know? Jake and Mike Tyson's upcoming fight for example is gearing up, many believe that Mike will win, but maybe something like this will happen?

Many gamblers are placing bets on this fighter since its more reliable than you against the casino games, this is all about agility and skills, but the possibility of intent loss to make more money is also possible in this game, what's your take on this?
Pretty sure this happens all the time in boxing, martial arts, and even in other sports, seen firsthand in a local tournament how one team threw the whole game and their chance at lifting the trophy cause the match was apparently fixed and they are bound to get a pretty good sum of money guaranteed if they'd just throw the game and let the other team win, we found out it was fixed because there was the difference in skill and overall enthusiasm while playing just changed all of a sudden when they were steamrolling every other team in their bracket and the closest ones previously.

Is it illegal? You can say that, does it ruin the essence of the sport? Yes if you'd ask me. The main reason why we have these types of competitions in the first place is to cement who's the best and who's the strongest athlete or player, and having matchfixing scandals like these destroys the reputation of the sport and the league where it happened in general. But can we really stop it? Nope. It's a systematic flaw that would not be vanquished anytime soon cause people want money, people want certainty, and if that certainty can only be achieved through throwing matches or whatever, they'd be asking you for the pen and where to sign on it without a second thought.

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