Betcoin.ag scam

[holydarkness]

AG refused to mediate

As I've explained to you on PM when you reached to me, their refusal is most likely due to how you wording your case to them, which sounds like you asked them to mediate them to fire Betcoin's "rude" representative, of which --as I explained-- clearly outside their scope and capacity, not because they don't want to mediate your case per se.

AG's staff suggested you to reach to their licensor. I assumed your silence for these long is because you're currently attempting to reach GC, that's why I refrained from explaining the situation to Peeps Place when he inquired an update.

Given your answer above, you're not reaching GC?

[murkyz]

AG refused to mediate

As I've explained to you on PM when you reached to me, their refusal is most likely due to how you wording your case to them, which sounds like you asked them to mediate them to fire Betcoin's "rude" representative, of which --as I explained-- clearly outside their scope and capacity, not because they don't want to mediate your case per se.

AG's staff suggested you to reach to their licensor. I assumed your silence for these long is because you're currently attempting to reach GC, that's why I refrained from explaining the situation to Peeps Place when he inquired an update.

Given your answer above, you're not reaching GC?

I contacted GC

[Rating Place]

This case got real strange. David is going to make the decision and the OP complains to AG about David’s actions rather than the money he’s claiming to be owed. Of course that case isn’t going anywhere.

OP- are your bets limit bets on props?

[Betcoin.AG]

Given your answer above, you're not reaching GC?

We received an inquiry from the licensor about 10 days ago and promptly replied with evidence of multiple violations of terms of service. This matter should be considered closed.

[murkyz]

This case got real strange. David is going to make the decision and the OP complains to AG about David’s actions rather than the money he’s claiming to be owed. Of course that case isn’t going anywhere.

OP- are your bets limit bets on props?

No , I never got limited on betcoin

Given your answer above, you're not reaching GC?

We received an inquiry from the licensor about 10 days ago and promptly replied with evidence of multiple violations of terms of service. This matter should be considered closed.

Thats weird, they told me they didn't contact their Licensee yet

Did they already make a decision withouth me filling a detailed form lol, why should they ask me to fill their form if they already contacted you o,O this is super weird imo

[Betcoin.AG]

Thats weird, they told me they didn't contact their Licensee yet

I highly doubt they would have said that, as it is false, and we sent proof that they contacted us to @holydarkness. We replied to them the same day.

When your job is to advocate for legitimate players, most mediators find it irritating to have to waste any time on obviously abusive players. This matter is closed.

[murkyz]

Thats weird, they told me they didn't contact their Licensee yet

I highly doubt they would have said that, as it is false, and we sent proof that they contacted us to @holydarkness.

I sent proof to @holydarkness that they said that they will contact their Licensee after I fill their form on April 11

[Betcoin.AG]

I sent proof to @holydarkness that they said that they will contact their Licensee after I fill their form on April 11

Yes, that's when they sent it and when we replied. 11 Apr. Glad we are all on the same page here. We hope your job hunt is going well, now that your scamming days are over. Cheers

[holydarkness]

[...] we sent proof that they contacted us to @holydarkness.[...]

I sent proof to @holydarkness

Yes, I can confirm that I've received both of your screenshots proving that you both are telling the truth. That two doesn't necessarily mutually exclusive. Both can happen and both can still be true at the same time.

To make it clear from what I can infer from both evidences, OP, you sent an email to GC, and GC replied to you, asking you to fill the form and other requirement they stated on their reply, while at the same time also wrote to betcoin, to let them know there is a case against them and to give them a chance to prove themselves while waiting for you to provide the information from your side.

I'll boldly assume they asked for this on just-in-case basis, they'll need those data to cross-check them [the documents you provided] with betcoin's explanation, to see if betcoin tell the truth or they found something is amiss with betcoin's explanation, of which they'll then use your information to get to the bottom of the case.

From what I know, licensor's procedure from an end-user perspective goes: a user raises dispute, they describe the situation and provide supporting evidences, and the licensor will investigate things themselves, asked as many rebuttal from the casino as they deemed necessary.

They're not going to have an investigation like AG or CG where things are kept for public consumption. They read the situation in private, they asked for proof if necessary, and when they get what they needed, they pass their judgment.

Given they no longer require your data [I infer correctly that you haven't send them up to this day?] it opens to a possibility that they find betcoin's explanation to be reasonable and betcoin's supporting evidence is indisputable. Otherwise, I believe, GC will send you an email, demanding those data.

[holydarkness]

OP, though I always welcome PMs and open my inbox to discuss private matters, a request for helps and opinion, a notification for an ongoing case, or simple casual chats about life, and since I strive to keep what [and who] arrives to my inbox, I am highly encouraging you to share what you shared to me privately here, so others can see it themselves and give their opinion. At least the very last one.

In regards to your last PM, I am moving my reply here for public consumption instead of privately as this part forward will be the conclusive part of your case.

Without being specific, to honor the private nature of PM, and without revealing word-by-word of the answer you get from them, I'll have to say that the verdict is final. When you and Betcoin moves your case to an arbitrator [and further escalated to the licensor] you both agrees that it'll be the one and only verdict you both will honor.

Suppose the licensor said otherwise, I believe AG will also comply to it, be it willingly or not.

You are free to share the answer you got from GC here or to keep it yourself. But as I've read their findings, in case you choose to keep it privately, I hope my statement holds some water to people overseeing this thread that this case can be marked as resolved by the ruling of licensor.

[murkyz]

Im suprised by GC's answer tbh

They said Betcoin linked me to another account that was limited by their sportsbook provider for placing bets using banned technology on October 2023. They said I used the same ip/device and the same BITCOIN wallet
to fund the accounts

This is actually imposible. Im new to the crypto world and I only used Binance as my wallet for all my crypto sportsbooks

On October 2023 I only have transactions in my binance account to stake and sportsbetting/betonline wallets:

https://ibb.co/Dfvcp2V

And you can see in this thread that I only used LTC on my betcoin account, I stopped using bitcoin due to altcoins having less fees and their transaction are fasters

I read about Betcoin in  late January / early February 2024, I looked them at first then I finally signed up on March due to being limited on other sportsbook so I was going to try it to see if they are legit

heres my betcoin deposits:

https://ibb.co/KrLZ6MH




The fact that GC said "bitcoin" wallet makes me think that they have no clue at what they are looking at and I believe I got scammed by betcoin. I find it impossible to belive that my same IP/device was used on another account

Is there anything else I can show as a proof that I never used betcoin before this year?

[holydarkness]

Im suprised by GC's answer tbh

They said Betcoin linked me to another account that was limited by their sportsbook provider for placing bets using banned technology on October 2023. They said I used the same ip/device and the same BITCOIN wallet
to fund the accounts

This is actually imposible. Im new to the crypto world and I only used Binance as my wallet for all my crypto sportsbooks

On October 2023 I only have transactions in my binance account to stake and sportsbetting/betonline wallets:

https://ibb.co/Dfvcp2V

And you can see in this thread that I only used LTC on my betcoin account, I stopped using bitcoin due to altcoins having less fees and their transaction are fasters

I read about Betcoin in  late January / early February 2024, I looked them at first then I finally signed up on March due to being limited on other sportsbook so I was going to try it to see if they are legit

heres my betcoin deposits:

https://ibb.co/KrLZ6MH

The fact that GC said "bitcoin" wallet makes me think that they have no clue at what they are looking at and I believe I got scammed by betcoin. I find it impossible to belive that my same IP/device was used on another account

Is there anything else I can show as a proof that I never used betcoin before this year?

Kinda beating a dead horse here, the verdict has been made, and you've agreed that the dispute resolution made by the third party is final and bindings. Much that people [probably] desire a different outcome, the verdict has been made and both parties has to honor the decision.

I don't think GC don't have any clue at what they're looking at, I'll say it's safe to say that they've had experience with thousands of cases like this.

Interesting thing though, you're limited on other casino for... what reason?

[murkyz]

I don't think GC don't have any clue at what they're looking at, I'll say it's safe to say that they've had experience with thousands of cases like this.

If they know what they are looking at why would they say that I used the same "bitcoin wallet" when my thread shows that my betcoin account only used litecoin

and you've agreed that the dispute resolution made by the third party is final and bindings

Yeah because I thought they would be fair, the interaction with them was weird when I asked them what was going on because I didnt fill their form yet I got a reply by them asking to fill my form so they can contact betcoin and after 5 minutes I got the final email that I showed you

It is what it is I guess, I hope this thread can help other people IMO their book only aims to keep recreational players and If they think you are beating them they will use some random excuse to hold your money

Interesting thing though, you're limited on other casino for... what reason?

As a winning player its commong being limited by soft books when you are constant at beating the closing line value

I had like 7% roi on regular nba props this season, the only books that dont limit winning players are pinnacle and exchanges (Im not sure if I should add betonline/sportsbetting to this list yet , I have been using them for months now withouth being limited but maybe in the future they will limit me, but if they dont limit me after a few years then they are great too)

[Betcoin.AG]

IMO their book only aims to keep recreational players

We had no issue paying you out on your first account. That's why you came back, of course, and that's why we have to be firm on the additional ones. If I were you, I'd be less concerned everyone refusing your illegitimate mediation attempts, and more concerned about no one taking your action. Everyone is well aware of you now, largely in part to your own theatrics. Betcoin has more satisfied users each day, many of who win without having to cheat and are paid immediately. Just like the first withdrawal on the 2nd account, which you snuck by us. That, for sure, will not happen again.

[murkyz]

IMO their book only aims to keep recreational players

We had no issue paying you out on your first account. That's why you came back, of course, and that's why we have to be firm on the additional ones.

As I showed my wallet transactions I never used betcoin on October 2023, I never go back to books that I have been limited thats why I tried betcoin in the first place. If I were multi accounting I would stay with the same books lol

and more concerned about no one taking your action

Soft books dont like winning players so they limit good players, actually I would be more concerned if all books take my action that means im actually bad at placing bets

Betcoin has more satisfied users each day, many of who win without having to cheat and are paid immediately.

I highly doubt you have any sharp as your client, If someone beats you, you would accuse of cheating and hold their funds

Most of your playerbase should be recreational gamblers that just play for fun

Limiting winning players is fine imo and part of the game, I understand the industry and books dont like to lose but holding funds is something else

[Betcoin.AG]

If someone beats you, you would accuse of cheating and hold their funds

You think maybe that would've come out at some point during the 11 years we have been in business? Imagine out of the 600,000+ players we have had, if we held the funds of everyone who won $1400. Think about how ridiculous that sounds. We have plenty of people winning plenty of money, that can do it without cheating. We are one of the highest rated and most transparent sportsbooks, across the board. We are also one of the best at catching cheaters. Do not return or you will not like the result.

[murkyz]

if we held the funds of everyone who won $1400.

Its not about the amount tho, one recreational player can win 100k$ by luck in the sportsbook and you should keep them if he won doing -ev stuff like placing underdog accas on high liquit markets

You think maybe that would've come out at some point during the 11 years we have been in business?

Idk it seems like it happened before o,O just by looking at the threads:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5456682.msg62437358#msg62437358

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5439834.0


Books can work 10+ years and still selective scam people like 1xbet tbh and nothing will change

[Betcoin.AG]

Idk it seems like it happened before o,O just by looking at the threads:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5456682.msg62437358#msg62437358

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5439834.0

Both of those cases resulted in the players receiving payment. Is that why you chose Betcoin? Figured you could just make an accusation and get paid, through extortion? Think about what we know that made your case different from theirs. We recommend that you not try this again.

[murkyz]

Idk it seems like it happened before o,O just by looking at the threads:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5456682.msg62437358#msg62437358

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5439834.0

Is that why you chose Betcoin?

I chose betcoin because of the nba props offered by your sportbook

Both of those cases resulted in the players receiving payment

You scammed the winnings of the first guy , the only difference is that you scammed all my funds

Selective scam clients is basically how betcoin works

[Betcoin.AG]

-SNIP

scam
noun
a dishonest scheme; a fraud.

That is what you tried to do to us, by fraudulently pretending to be a different person when you created the 2nd account. This was proven when 2 different mediators rejected your case. All we did was enforce the rules you agreed to when you signed up.