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April 08, 2024, 05:27:44 AM
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Hello all! PLEASE HELP!

I have 2 unconfirmed transactions for about 3 or 4 weeks now. I sent with only 5sat fee for both transaction (at the time sent was around 55sat).  Right now it is showing that the sent account balance is LESS or Deducted the amount was sent, But with the unconfirmed clock/unconfirmed in the transaction; and my receiving account now is showing a Credit that was sent to and also has the unconfirmed clock/unconfirmed transaction in the received transaction.
I used Electrum today trying to boost my fee so i can re broad cast and want to have it confirm but electrum did not see these unconfirmed transactions in electrum(yes, I set up wallet in electrum correctly). I'm really tired seeing unconfirmed transaction for TOO LONG NOW.

My question is:

- why electrum doesn't see my unconfirmed transaction when i pulled from cold wallet (just updated it's firmware before doing electrum).  it only show about 5 confirmed transaction from 2021 or earlier but not recent transactions.?
- Why does electrum says that "unrelated transaction to wallet" when i pasted in the transaction ID. is this mean that this transaction was from diffenrent wallet than the one I sent.? could it be mempool sent my transactions around?
- Why on my ledge live i keep seeing the same transaction amount being send automatically NOT ME like yesterday and today or every 2 to 3 days and wasn't me sending them. same amount but diffent days sent?
- In my recieving account, the balance show a credit but unconfirmed, does it means that it is already credited to my balance or it just showing it but it is not real? same with the sending account balance?  Can I transfer these unconfirmed transaction to another wallet?
- If my 5sat fee is too low for about 3 or 4 weeks now, why hasn't it return back to my sent account from mempool?

I was moving some fund from one wallet to another wallet in same cold wallet.

PLEASE HELP ME!  I have learned my lesson using so low fee, I thought eventually it will confirm OR return but I been waiting for 3 or 4 weeks now. My transaction also has a RBF opt in.  What would eventually will happen, i mean this is going on for too long?

Thank you all for the help!  this is my 1st post. please shed some light! Thank you! Huh

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April 08, 2024, 06:46:47 AM
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If the transaction has dropped from mempool, you will still be able to see it on Electrum and if you click on it, you can spend the coin in a new transaction.

Because a node has dropped your transaction, that does not mean the receiver will not still see it as an unconfirmed transaction because some nodes will still have the transaction unless the coin has been spent in another transaction.

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April 08, 2024, 07:28:50 AM
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- why electrum doesn't see my unconfirmed transaction when i pulled from cold wallet (just updated it's firmware before doing electrum).  it only show about 5 confirmed transaction from 2021 or earlier but not recent transactions.?
- Why does electrum says that "unrelated transaction to wallet" when i pasted in the transaction ID. is this mean that this transaction was from diffenrent wallet than the one I sent.? could it be mempool sent my transactions around?
- Why on my ledge live i keep seeing the same transaction amount being send automatically NOT ME like yesterday and today or every 2 to 3 days and wasn't me sending them. same amount but diffent days sent?
- In my recieving account, the balance show a credit but unconfirmed, does it means that it is already credited to my balance or it just showing it but it is not real? same with the sending account balance?  Can I transfer these unconfirmed transaction to another wallet?
- If my 5sat fee is too low for about 3 or 4 weeks now, why hasn't it return back to my sent account from mempool?
  • - Couple or reasons, but the most common is you've selected the incorrect script type (address type)
    or have to edit the derivation path's 'account_index' (if using the 2nd and above, technical) when creating the wallet.

  • - This shows if any of the input or output of the transaction that you're importing doesn't belong to the wallet.

  • - The way you describe it, it's either your wallet is compromised or you're using a fake wallet. But I'm thinking that you mean, "same amount being received" which could be dusting attacks.
    If so, that's troublesome only if the wallet has no "coin-control" (Ledger Live instructions) to freeze or ignore those dust inputs when sending bitcoins.

  • - "Receiving" and "Sending" accounts? You mean addresses?
    If unconfirmed, it means that the transaction isn't included to the blockchain yet, just in mempools;
    however, most wallets can already spend its output as an input of their transaction. (Yes, but it cannot be confirmed while the parent transaction isn't confirmed as well.)

  • - Not all Bitcoin nodes have the same mempool settings, so your 5sat/vB transaction may be dropped by others but not all.
    So those who still keep it can still broadcast it to other nodes and it may still propagate in the right condition.


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PLEASE HELP ME!  I have learned my lesson using so low fee, I thought eventually it will confirm OR return but I been waiting for 3 or 4 weeks now. My transaction also has a RBF opt in.  What would eventually will happen, i mean this is going on for too long?
Once you managed to create the correct wallet in Electrum;
  • And it shows as "unconfirmed": Right-click on it and select "increase fee", set a new higher fee rate and "sign" then "broadcast" the replacement transaction,
  • If it's not there and the balance is what it used to: use coin control (Electrum instructions) to select any one of the inputs that the 5sat/vB transaction was trying to spend and create a transaction with it.
    You may also "right-click->Freeze->Freeze Coin" to those unwanted UTXO from those dust attacks that will add additional size to your future transactions (will only affect Electrum not Ledger live).

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April 08, 2024, 07:37:36 AM
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My question is:

- why electrum doesn't see my unconfirmed transaction when i pulled from cold wallet (just updated it's firmware before doing electrum).  it only show about 5 confirmed transaction from 2021 or earlier but not recent transactions.?


My guess is that the server you are probably connected to doesn’t have your transaction again in its mempool but the transaction is definitely in other nodes mempool. Ideally it should be showing local and your amount should still be intact in such that you can broadcast new transaction with that same amount.

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- In my recieving account, the balance show a credit but unconfirmed, does it means that it is already credited to my balance or it just showing it but it is not real? same with the sending account balance?  Can I transfer these unconfirmed transaction to another wallet?
Yes you can actually transfer an unconfirmed transaction from the receiving address to another different using the CPFP method.

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- If my 5sat fee is too low for about 3 or 4 weeks now, why hasn't it return back to my sent account from mempool?

Yes ideally it should have been dropped but nodes have different mempool settings some would still have that transaction in their pool and as such it will remain in your wallet as unconfirmed but you should be able to actually do an RBf on it.

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April 08, 2024, 04:09:45 PM
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It's a bit difficult to follow everything you have written, but let's try.

When you connect your Ledger to Electrum, you have to enter the correct derivation path for Electrum to know where to look for your transactions. Ledger Live calls them bitcoin accounts. Do you have multiple bitcoin account in your Ledger Live? If so, go to the one you sent the coins from in Ledger Live, click the gear icon to open the info window, and copy the correct derivation path from there. It should look something like this: m/44'/0'/0'. Ledger Live will display more digits, but don't copy all of them. Only the first two digits following the "m/44" part. You should then see your entire transaction history in Electrum.

If the unconfirmed transactions are there, right click on them and increase the fee. Use https://mempool.space/ as a reference for the type of fee you need for a slower/quicker transaction. The reason why your unconfirmed transactions haven't been dropped is that there are still nodes on the network that have them in their mem pools. Unless you connect to one that no longer has them to "cancel" your transactions, they will still be available until all nodes drop them.

Could you post a screenshot to show us the other problem where you said that Ledger Live keeps sending the same transaction over and over again? Cross out all identifiable and sensitive data you don't want the public to see.

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