[GUIDE] Best Crypto Investment Opportunities for Passive Income -2024

[mindrust]

Disclaimer: I am not a financial advisor. This post's purpose is to provide information and nothing else. If you somehow face any financial losses by investing in any of the services I mentioned in my post, by reading this post you agree to that I cannot be held responsible. Remember: Not your keys, not your coins!

Intro

I have been reading this topic recently and It came to my attention that there isn't a thread which shows passive crypto investment opportunities together so I decided to create one. I've seen tsaroz's thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5247587.0) but it has't been updated for a long time.

If you don't know what "passive income" means, let me explain it to you first.

Passive Income means making your money work for you. It is the only way to make money while you are sleeping. You provide the capital and other people bust their asses off for you. It is the higher level of living. You only manage your investments and collect the income they produce. You may spend them or reinvest them to get higher returns in the future, that's up to you. (Reinvest if you want to get a snowballing effect)

Financial Independence, Retire Early

The idea of living off of passive income (FIRE, Financial Independence, Retire Early) is not new and it is very popular especially among the stock investors and they have many communities where they share their ideas and tips.

Here are some of those communities if you are interested:

r/FIREUK
r/Fire
r/financialindependence

Obviously these are not the only sources and I am pretty sure there are better and bigger communities out there but I am giving these links just to give you a head start so you can have a basic understanding of what's going on here.

Buying dividend stocks is a great way to build passive income but it is not the only way. The other way is to buy real estate and collecting rent but it is not really passive (but very close) because you have to repair/fix the property and sometimes tenants just don't pay. The other option is collecting interest on your bonds and cash deposits but these are no good in an inflationary environment where the interest rates are always below the inflation and we have always been in an inflationary environment since I don't know when. (since the Great Depression maybe?)

That's why we almost always want to invest in real assets instead of bonds where the underlying asset is FIAT. (unless they offer better rates than the inflation)

Now we've made these things clear let's move on to the real stuff. Otherwise I could write a book on dividends and stocks in this post which nobody here is interested probably. Here I want to share a list of the casinos and the exchanges where you can make crypto (sometimes FIAT) passively. It is impossible to make a list of every opportunity for every altcoin so I'll be focusing mostly on BTC, USDT, and LTC. I am also not going to mention any fixed FIAT returns that's below 4% which is the minimum returns you should be aiming for for any of your cash producing assets. (FIRE rule #1)

No.|	Service Name |	Type of Return |	Asset Type    |	Pot. Annual Returns |	Frequency |	Business Age |	My Rating  |	Additional Notes
1-		Fixed	Btc	4%	Daily	10+ years	Very High	Min. amount required is 30k sats
2-		Fixed	Btc, Ltc and every other coin available	15% on all assets	Hourly	5+ years	High	The offer is limited to 20btc site-wide No min. inv. amount requirement
3-	/]	Variable	Btc	Varies, potentially up to 700%	~12-24 Hrs.	5+ years	Very High	"The platform offers the possibility of a short-term investment at 1% with an average turnaround time of 12 hours."[/become-seller.php]1] Can potentially pay 700% annually as what you get depends on the amount of business they have. Min. investment amount: 0.04Btc
4-		Variable	USDT	Varies	Daily	5+ years	Neutral	Can offer as high as 20% during volatile markets, may ask for docs randomly No min. inv. amount requirement
5-		Variable	Btc	Varies	-	5+ years	Neutral	"New investors are charged a fee of 2 %, which is shared among existing investors."[2] They charge deposits.[3]
6-		Variable	Btc	Varies	-	5+ years	Neutral	7% commission, "To compensate existing investors for diluting the bankroll, 2 % of your investment is deducted before it is added to the bankroll"[4] Min. investment amount: 0.01Btc
7-		Variable	Btc, Ltc, Eth, Bch, Doge	Varies	-	~10 years	Neutral	66% of the total profits are shared, sig camp payments are usually delayed which is a bad sign Min. inv. amount: 0.02Btc, 0.25Ltc, 0.05Eth
8-		Variable	CLAM	Varies	-	10+ years	High	Investment is only available through sea shells, but a very old and reputable casino, 10% comm.
9-		Variable	Btc, Ltc, Eth and a few other	Varies	-	~5 years	Neutral	The creator of ANN has an inactive btt acc, looks like theskillzdatklls is the representative now, the casino seems to be operational. 50% comm. No min. inv. req.[5]

Glossary:

Fixed: Means you always get the same percentage for whatever amount you invest.
Variable: Means you are partnering with the casino's bankroll. You might suffer some losses for a while if a whale wins big.

Ratings:

Very High: Best reputation. Your chances of getting scammed are very low. Probably in the business for 10 years which deserves an award of its own.
High: You will likely not get scammed but there are few quirks which irk me.
Neutral: There are mixed reports or KYC is a problem or not as old as the others.
Low: Bad reputation. High risk.
Very Low: Stay away.


If there are multiple unsolved&legit scam accusations against any of the casinos I listed, I will first reduce the respective casino's (or the exchange's) rating by 1 or 2 steps. If the accusations resolve in the accuser's favor, I will delete the casino from my list.

I also visited every casino I mentioned in my list and I've seen them still offering investment options so I naturally think they are still in the business. If you have a proof showing otherwise, let me know.

These are the opportunities I could find lately. If you know any others, let me know so I can update this topic.

Disclaimer:
I am not a financial advisor. This post's purpose is to provide information and nothing else. If you somehow face any financial losses by investing in any of the
services I mentioned in my post, by reading this post you agree to that I cannot be held responsible. Remember: Not your keys, not your coins!

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[mindrust]

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#1- 04/12/2024: Added [banned mixer] to the list with Very High rating.
#2- 04/12/2024: Added minimum investment amount requirement info.
#3- 04/19/2024: Revised Binance's type of return to "variable" as the rate they offer depends on market conditions.
#4- 04/19/2024: Revised "min. 4% fixed returns" to "min. 4% fixed returns on FIAT"

#5- 04/23/2024: Big update, theymos killed mixer links but this post still lives on at https://www.passivecryptoin.com/, away from theymos' wrath :)

Since theymos broke my post after the recent updates about m-xers (It is not allowed to link to jamemba anymore), I decided to make this post a web app and created passivecryptoin.com.  
Maybe people will find the info there useful as they did here so I will continue to update this website as other opportunities become available.
I'll leave this topic open so the discussion can continue but new updates will be available on the website from now on because I don't want to get banned for providing links or any pics to jamambo.
I wanted to add some back-end capabilities too but I fucked it up somewhere in the code and it didn't work as I planned so... static is what we got now :p

[Upgrade00]

I was expecting to see something about starting a real world business like a laundry or a vending machine which can be run with little or no direct effort on your part.

My big question will be if the investment is locked in dollar value or the crypto asset value? Bitcoin can rise beyond their annual return offered, so why should I keep my money there?

[mindrust]

I was expecting to see something about starting a real world business like a laundry or a vending machine which can be run with little or no direct effort on your part.

My big question will be if the investment is locked in dollar value or the crypto asset value? Bitcoin can rise beyond their annual return offered, so why should I keep my money there?

Your 1 btc will still be 1 btc 1 year later. If you invest in a company that pays 4% annually, you’ll have 1.04 btc a year later.

Your btc won’t multiply itself sitting there. Get them sats to work.

[Aanuoluwatofunmi]

This is very interesting as it will serve as guide to some people who were already in such regard and needs something to put them on a particular financial lane on establishment, but there could have been other aspect financial the physical financial advisory guides, other assets of investment and means to which one can still generate a passive income from aside the listed gambling and exchanges businesses an organizations, when we have the means to begin from somewhere, we can start by making diversification, in which we are not going to depend or rely only on a single guide in this regard, instead have two or more advisory to help us achieve to the maximum target we may aimed at. 

[tranthidung]

Your list is mainly for casinos, and only two exceptions for Binance and Jambler. I don't know about other mixers or any middle-men between customers and mixers like Jambler but if you include Binance in the list, why you ignored other centralized exchanges.

I didn't check their yield but they certainly have similar products like Binance. Would you mind sharing why only Binance is included in the list?

This thread is a good information but in the past, Pmalek made a thread about faucets on casinos (I think it is helpful for gamblers).

List Of Crypto Casinos with The Best Faucets

[mindrust]

Your list is mainly for casinos, and only two exceptions for Binance and Jambler. I don't know about other mixers or any middle-men between customers and mixers like Jambler but if you include Binance in the list, why you ignored other centralized exchanges.

I didn't check their yield but they certainly have similar products like Binance. Would you mind sharing why only Binance is included in the list?

This thread is a good information but in the past, Pmalek made a thread about faucets on casinos (I think it is helpful for gamblers).

List Of Crypto Casinos with The Best Faucets

I am considering adding Kucoin actually ( I see their offer for USDT is around 7%, Btc 3% and eth 3.75% which are pretty good but not exceptionally good) and tbh I don't know any other reputable exchange that offers staking with good rates. Would you share the others you know so I could take a look?

Even then, the exchanges don't really pay well for the established crypto currencies. (To me, they are Btc, Doge, Ltc, Xmr, Eth) They pay well for your USDT or other stable coins usually but I didn't want to focus a lot on the stable coins unless the rate is good to the point which I can't ignore anymore. (as I explained in the OP, if the rate for USDT is more than the inflation it is worth taking a look)

That's the case with Binance/USDT. They usually offer 10% or more for USDT which you won't find on any bank or (not sure) exchange probably.

The thread is still in its early phase I might make a lot of changes.

[tranthidung]

I am considering adding Kucoin actually ( I see their offer for USDT is around 7%, Btc 3% and eth 3.75% which are pretty good but not exceptionally good) and tbh I don't know any other reputable exchange that offers staking with good rates. Would you share the others you know so I can take a look?

I don't know details, it's just my thinking. I don't care about it because of risk.

Reminder: do not keep your money in online accounts

Anyway, you are making a good thread but people must know about risk too.

[mrust_mobile]

I am considering adding Kucoin actually ( I see their offer for USDT is around 7%, Btc 3% and eth 3.75% which are pretty good but not exceptionally good) and tbh I don't know any other reputable exchange that offers staking with good rates. Would you share the others you know so I can take a look?

I don't know details, it's just my thinking. I don't care about it because of risk.

Reminder: do not keep your money in online accounts

Anyway, you are making a good thread but people must know about risk too.

True, I should mention it in my disclaimer.

"Not your keys, not your coins."

[examplens]

I think you left out one very important piece of information, which is the minimum investment amount. You stated for freebitco.in where 0.0003 is the minimum, but for example, you did not state that for Jambler the minimum for investment is 0.04BTC
This is probably important information for those who do not want to risk a large amount of money.

[Pmalek]

This thread is a good information but in the past, Pmalek made a thread about faucets on casinos (I think it is helpful for gamblers).

List Of Crypto Casinos with The Best Faucets

The time of crypto casino faucets is long gone I think. I haven't checked my own thread in a long time, but I don't think anything has changed for the better. Some of the casinos might have even dropped their faucets or decreased the possible rewards. What you can hope for is a few cents. One exception is those casinos who have lucky wheels that you can spin and perhaps win a significant amount if you are lucky.

[mrust_mobile]

I think you left out one very important piece of information, which is the minimum investment amount. You stated for freebitco.in where 0.0003 is the minimum, but for example, you did not state that for Jambler the minimum for investment is 0.04BTC
This is probably important information for those who do not want to risk a large amount of money.

Necessary changes have been made. I couldn't find any info on some casinos' website about any min. deposit req. (mintdice, just-dice and bustabit) They probably don't have any req. However I know that blackjack.fun and binance have no min deposit req as I tested both.

update: mintdice has no min. inv. requirement.

[examplens]

The time of crypto casino faucets is long gone I think. I haven't checked my own thread in a long time, but I don't think anything has changed for the better. Some of the casinos might have even dropped their faucets or decreased the possible rewards. What you can hope for is a few cents. One exception is those casinos who have lucky wheels that you can spin and perhaps win a significant amount if you are lucky.

I know that many casinos have disabled or limited the faucet to only "loyal" users. There were abuses like putting faucet rewards on high odds, so rarely but wins did happen. However, I would not count the faucet as any kind of income, certainly not passive because it requires some work.

Necessary changes have been made. I couldn't find any info on some casinos' website about any min. deposit req. (mintdice, just-dice and bustabit) They probably don't have any req. However I know that blackjack.fun and binance have no min deposit req as I tested both.

Currently, I also have an investment in blackjack.fun, it is very simple, even reinvesting the profit.
The good thing, although it is unclear to me, is that the invested funds are not at risk, because they are not active in the casino pool.

[Stalker22]

Currently, I also have an investment in blackjack.fun, it is very simple, even reinvesting the profit.
The good thing, although it is unclear to me, is that the invested funds are not at risk, because they are not active in the casino pool.

You forgot to mention, "at least thats what they claim". 
All investments typically come with some level of risk.  If something sounds too good to be true, it probably is.  I am not saying this is the case with blackjack.fun investments, but we can never be sure.

By the way, good topic @mindrust!

[SamReomo]

These are actually some good crypto investment opportunities that allow one to earn passive income. I believe out of those Jambler and Binance are the best ones.

I have been using Binance personally and I can say that it's a quite good exchange for the ones who want to earn passive income.

I think the best level of passive income may come when sometimes stake's the coins in their own personal wallets instead of custodial wallets.

[Pmalek]

I know that many casinos have disabled or limited the faucet to only "loyal" users. There were abuses like putting faucet rewards on high odds, so rarely but wins did happen.

I am sure people have abused faucets in various ways to try and withdraw the money that comes from them, but what you just described isn't one in my opinion. To me, that sounds more like the casinos are trying to minimize that players can successfully win a high enough amount they could eventually withdraw. If I claimed some coins from a faucet, why shouldn't I be allowed to wager them any way I want, including betting the money on any odds I am comfortable with? Just get rid of it altogether if you are tying it to conditions that stop making sense.

[TheUltraElite]

My investments on bustabit and former MoneyPot have been very much positive. Moneypot was able to turn 1BTC to 1.04 BTC in a month or so and BAB investment is ongoing with a projected interest rate of ~20% per annum as per my calculations. Short term ups and down are common but the overall graph is going upwards.

However my experience with bitvest has been poor and I seem to lose all the earned money to the commission there so I decided to pull out after a couple of months. Freebitcoin is a fixed daily interest and is the most stable of all these four.
I am not sure why you wrote "sea shells" instead of clams when addressing Just-dice's Notes though.
I miss the old crypto-games investment scheme, it was giving me 50% in a year.

[mrust_mobile]

My investments on bustabit and former MoneyPot have been very much positive. Moneypot was able to turn 1BTC to 1.04 BTC in a month or so and BAB investment is ongoing with a projected interest rate of ~20% per annum as per my calculations. Short term ups and down are common but the overall graph is going upwards.

However my experience with bitvest has been poor and I seem to lose all the earned money to the commission there so I decided to pull out after a couple of months. Freebitcoin is a fixed daily interest and is the most stable of all these four.

I appreciate the info you provided. I am thinking of creating a fund for myself and invest in 4-5 of these projects. (already have some small amounts in 3 of them: binance, blackjack.fun and freebitco.in) Just like how people were doing in the good old days  

I am not sure why you wrote "sea shells" instead of clams when addressing Just-dice's Notes though.
I miss the old crypto-games investment scheme, it was giving me 50% in a year.

Because... they are sea shells.  



I saw the market cap of CLAM and it is only $5 million and that somehow doesn't look like something people would tie their money to for a long time. However It looks like it has been finally stabilized after getting dumped hugely since 2021.

[Helena Yu]

Your list is biased.

I don't believe Blackjack.fun and Jambler worth to get high and very high ratings, although you've stated "My rating" which is subjective. I would give them neutral instead.

I agree Freebitco.in deserve to get very high, they're an OG and they've complied with regulations, even though I also don't like regulations, but when it comes to centralized sites, you need to be regulated. I would say Binance deserve to get high ratings though.

[icopress]

Your list is biased.

I don't believe Blackjack.fun and Jambler worth to get high and very high ratings, although you've stated "My rating" which is subjective. I would give them neutral instead.

Jambler has been working for 6 years... but that's not the problem.

The problem is that you have to be lucky to be included in the number of investors, since there are many more applications than there is a need for. And those who once managed to become an investor hold on to their places, so it’s difficult for new users to get a slot.

[dothebeats]

The problem is that you have to be lucky to be included in the number of investors, since there are many more applications than there is a need for. And those who once managed to become an investor hold on to their places, so it’s difficult for new users to get a slot.

If this is the case, then shouldn't its ratings be lower if there's some element of 'luck' that is involved in securing your slot alone? They have a very good business model to be able to provide that kind of returns to their investors, then again not everybody will ever have a shot in putting their money into the platform.


Freebitco.in has been an active player in the space for over a decade now. Their investment program is not the 'best' when it comes to returns, but they still offer good returns on one's investment and is consistent to it. Of all these investment opportunities listed here, I think freebitco.in is the only one who, IMO, could provide someone with a consistent return on their deposits. The scam accusations against them are also not that severe unlike other names on this list, which could also boost the confidence of investors wanting to try them out.

[cryptosize]

I don't believe we should have a fiat mindset when it comes to Bitcoin (or any other deflationary currency/asset).

People expect to get 4% interest rate from a bank, because the central bank prints more money out of thin air if you "stake" your fiat money for 1 year.

Where does that 4% come from? BTC currently has an annual 1.8% inflation rate that is expected to be cut in half in 1 week.

Not to mention that there is no a central entity (central bank) that prints new Bitcoins, but various competing entities (mining pools).

Having a track record of 10+ years doesn't tell me much... what will happen if everyone tries to withdraw their money from freebitcoin? (bank run scenario)

In fiat/commercial banks we know there's the lender of last resort. They will print money out of thin air (ECB/100k, FED/250k per depositor) to bail you out (which will of course increase inflation).

I think most of these services are elaborate Ponzi schemes. It's all fine and dandy if they don't experience mass withdrawals.

I'd be very careful and wary with "Bitcoin banks"... especially if they haven't published Proof of Reserves.

[mindrust]

I don't believe we should have a fiat mindset when it comes to Bitcoin (or any other deflationary currency/asset).
People expect to get 4% interest rate from a bank, because the central bank prints more money out of thin air if you "stake" your fiat money for 1 year.
Where does that 4% come from? BTC currently has an annual 1.8% inflation rate that is expected to be cut in half in 1 week.
Not to mention that there is no a central entity (central bank) that prints new Bitcoins, but various competing entities (mining pools).

True, I was thinking about that too. That 4% min interest rule should only apply to FIAT based investments. It is still a good investment if you are getting 2-3% btc passively from your investment because BTC is deflationary and in the long run it way outperforms the inflation rates and that 2% will be the icing on the cake. I should probably modify my OP according to this.

Having a track record of 10+ years doesn't tell me much... what will happen if everyone tries to withdraw their money from freebitcoin? (bank run scenario)
In fiat/commercial banks we know there's the lender of last resort. They will print money out of thin air (ECB/100k, FED/250k per depositor) to bail you out (which will of course increase inflation).
I think most of these services are elaborate Ponzi schemes. It's all fine and dandy if they don't experience mass withdrawals.
I'd be very careful and wary with "Bitcoin banks"... especially if they haven't published Proof of Reserves.

You can't make any investments if you follow that mindset. People who built freebitco.in could have held btc instead of building that website but they haven't...

Obviously you shouldn't be holding too much on any of these websites but sometimes it pays to take risks.

[Darker45]

Thanks for this!

For some time, I've been thinking of forgetting about not your keys, not your coins at least for a portion of my funds. The bulk of my funds is there sleeping in my wallet. I've read so many times of passive investment opportunities that could give you juicy returns. Some acquaintances and friends are earning big from them. There's risk but there's also a nice ROI. Perhaps I'm taking not your keys, not your coins too seriously. It might be the right time to make some changes in my strategy.

When I read the title, since you mentioned crypto and not just Bitcoin, I thought you'd also include those staking investments. Many are earning nice from it.

[mrust_mobile]

Thanks for this!

For some time, I've been thinking of forgetting about not your keys, not your coins at least for a portion of my funds. The bulk of my funds is there sleeping in my wallet. I've read so many times of passive investment opportunities that could give you juicy returns. Some acquaintances and friends are earning big from them. There's risk but there's also a nice ROI. Perhaps I'm taking not your keys, not your coins too seriously. It might be the right time to make some changes in my strategy.

When I read the title, since you mentioned crypto and not just Bitcoin, I thought you'd also include those staking investments. Many are earning nice from it.

Staking is in a gray area for me because these coins don’t have a hard supply cap. Maybe it doesn’t matter in the long run, maybe I am completely wrong about it. It is just I can’t wrap my head around PoS completely. I see binance offers ~3% returns on eth staking and maybe I will include it in my post too but then there are also other projects like eth and I don’t want my post look like a Chinese NFT/PoS brothel.

[TheUltraElite]

There's risk but there's also a nice ROI. Perhaps I'm taking not your keys, not your coins too seriously. It might be the right time to make some changes in my strategy.

I agree with the Not your keys, not your coin. But there also comes in the question of how much of your bitcoin you can essentially wager for more bitcoin? From where I live, spending crypto for daily necessities is out of the question because there is 30% taxation on crypto transactions and I would rather stash more crypto rather spend any, keeping fiat only for spending needs over bitcoin.

Also because these sites have been running for long, there owners are well reputed on this forum and chances of exit scam are low. It is not worth pondering if they are going scam anytime soon or not but use that time to make the money - lets not forget that time is a factor when considering these investments, lost time = lost money.

[LTU_btc]

Thanks for making this topic, it was needed. For old members almost all of these platforms is well known, but for newbies who want to invest, it's good information. And these who have expectations about crazy returns, it kinda sends them to reality. Returns isn't really high, but it's real and relatively safe.
Though, despite that most of these platforms gained trust during long years in business, but still, shit sometimes happens. So, you shouldn't invest more than you afford to lose.
Just checked how much interest I have earned on Freebitco.in. Well, it's already quite significant money, but it took a while to earn it.

[Darker45]

~snip~

Staking is in a gray area for me because these coins don’t have a hard supply cap. Maybe it doesn’t matter in the long run, maybe I am completely wrong about it. It is just I can’t wrap my head around PoS completely. I see binance offers ~3% returns on eth staking and maybe I will include it in my post too but then there are also other projects like eth and I don’t want my post look like a Chinese NFT/PoS brothel.

Well, the crypto market has long become a Chinese brothel already. But just like in a Chinese brothel, there are probably still a few who are not too stale yet and perhaps pretty, too.

Again, like a Chinese brothel, there's no long run in this market. They come and they go. They're just a quick way to make profit. Many have made nice money out of Arbitrum. I've heard of the likes of Swell and Ether.fi and others. These aren't the kind of PoS staking that you probably meant. But these are also what I'm eyeing at.

There's risk but there's also a nice ROI. Perhaps I'm taking not your keys, not your coins too seriously. It might be the right time to make some changes in my strategy.

I agree with the Not your keys, not your coin. But there also comes in the question of how much of your bitcoin you can essentially wager for more bitcoin? From where I live, spending crypto for daily necessities is out of the question because there is 30% taxation on crypto transactions and I would rather stash more crypto rather spend any, keeping fiat only for spending needs over bitcoin.

Also because these sites have been running for long, there owners are well reputed on this forum and chances of exit scam are low. It is not worth pondering if they are going scam anytime soon or not but use that time to make the money - lets not forget that time is a factor when considering these investments, lost time = lost money.

Yeah, same here. There's not much you can do with your Bitcoin. And with a fiat that's fast losing value, I'd rather keep my Bitcoin and spend my fiat. I'm spending Bitcoin once in a while, though.

Just like what they say, invest only what you can afford to lose. I'll stick with this. I'll risk only a small portion of what I have.

[NotATether]

It is a good list mindrust, but I hope nobody is going to use these things to save their money in there like it's some sort of bank.

That's actually the same problem we have with crypto exchanges... oh look there is Binance with another investment opportunity let's put our life savings in there.

Remember that these investment services can collapse and you don't want to be left holding the bag, so these platforms should only be used with money specifically allocated for the purpose of investing, which you are comfortable losing.

Reminder: just HODLing the coins in your wallet continues to return the best returns of all.

[examplens]

That's actually the same problem we have with crypto exchanges... oh look there is Binance with another investment opportunity let's put our life savings in there.

Remember that these investment services can collapse and you don't want to be left holding the bag, so these platforms should only be used with money specifically allocated for the purpose of investing, which you are comfortable losing.

Investment, and profit, will always have its clients. In addition to all the warnings, there will always be those who want to take risks because of the potential profit.
Unfortunately, some people cannot bear mistakes, so we have cases like this [2024-04-15] Another cryptocurrency suicide
It is certainly interesting that such things happen to highly educated, intelligent people, so it is not just a matter of lack of knowledge or acceptance of information.

[mindrust]

Investment, and profit, will always have its clients. In addition to all the warnings, there will always be those who want to take risks because of the potential profit.
Unfortunately, some people cannot bear mistakes, so we have cases like this [2024-04-15] Another cryptocurrency suicide
It is certainly interesting that such things happen to highly educated, intelligent people, so it is not just a matter of lack of knowledge or acceptance of information.

It is the lack of experience in the markets. That person is a doctor, not a banker/fund manager. (Sometimes that won’t suffice too) He has zero information on risk management and money management. He might be a very good doctor but doesn’t mean he will be a very good investor. They are totally different professions which demand totally different skill sets.

Many crypto people learned to trade assets on the markets after they met crypto. Before crypto, they didn’t know anything about finance/stocks etc. So the idea of trading assets on the financial markets is too new to them.

They lack knowledge and education. They know nothing about risk management. Their minds are weak.

I too was one of those people and I too lost big potential gains in the past. I didn’t lose anything from my own pockets luckily but after reading many books about investing/finance/risk management I see now that I could very well have been that guy.

Once I read a forum user on WO and he said that he made his fortune before crypto, in the stock markets. That’s exactly where people should start learning about making investments before they do anything with crypto.

They don’t teach how to be a good trader in a medicine school too. People who became crypto investors learned it from the internet and there are far too much wrong info on the internet. Everyone has an idea but only a few has real information.


Jesse Livermore. The guy who shorted the great depression rally a century ago. Became rich af. A couple years later, do you know what he did?

[pinggoki]

Binance sucks as a way to make passive income, I've locked my bitcoins there for about 3+ years and my total profit form that hasn't even crossed the 0.0001 satoshi territory yet so it's better off just doing it in Blackjack, I'm planning to put in a thousand USDT there and hope for the best, I know it's not a lot but at the least I'm making something while I'm hodling, maybe I'd go with bitcoin but I'm still having second thoughts about that one.

[TheUltraElite]

Binance sucks as a way to make passive income, I've locked my bitcoins there for about 3+ years and my total profit form that hasn't even crossed the 0.0001 satoshi territory yet so it's better off just doing it in Blackjack, I'm planning to put in a thousand USDT there and hope for the best, I know it's not a lot but at the least I'm making something while I'm hodling, maybe I'd go with bitcoin but I'm still having second thoughts about that one.

I think it will be very insightful if some of the users of this forum are willing to share their own experiences on the above mentioned sites and additional sites that they are involved currently in, just like you mentioned about Binance. Indeed making <0.0001 BTC over three years, does suck, but I would also like to know what the capital was? That can give us an estimate of the per year return from this site.

My calculations for Bustabit are close to a range of 20-30% a year. I will post when the 1year completion happens so the OP can update that too.

[AB de Royse777]

Binance sucks as a way to make passive income, I've locked my bitcoins there for about 3+ years and my total profit form that hasn't even crossed the 0.0001 satoshi territory yet so it's better off just doing it in Blackjack, I'm planning to put in a thousand USDT there and hope for the best, I know it's not a lot but at the least I'm making something while I'm hodling, maybe I'd go with bitcoin but I'm still having second thoughts about that one.

I am interested to know how much was the locked bitcoin amount? Please don't say it's 1 or 1/2 mBTC :-D. I am considering to invest some in Blackjack by the way. I have had a chat with their management other day too. Hopefully my experience will have a good one.

[Rikafip]

I am interested to know how much was the locked bitcoin amount? Please don't say it's 1 or 1/2 mBTC :-D

You guesstimate might actually not be that off, as I see that Binance offers measly ~0.3% apy on bitcoin.

Having said that, I just don't understand why would anyone with their right mind risk holding their bitcoin for such a low return. I mean, I could somewhat understand if we were talking about 5-10% (even though that is very risky too), but 0.3%??

[Darker45]

Binance sucks as a way to make passive income, I've locked my bitcoins there for about 3+ years and my total profit form that hasn't even crossed the 0.0001 satoshi territory yet so it's better off just doing it in Blackjack, I'm planning to put in a thousand USDT there and hope for the best, I know it's not a lot but at the least I'm making something while I'm hodling, maybe I'd go with bitcoin but I'm still having second thoughts about that one.

You are not hodling if you are investing. Hodling means keeping it. If you risk it in an investment, then you aren't anymore keeping it. You're sending it to another wallet, to a business, with the hope that it grows. However, it may not. You may even lose it. Hodling doesn't have that risk.

Why are you so disappointed with the return? Didn't you know beforehand, or even make rough computations, as to how much ROI you would receive in the end? I assume investors are informed in advance of the estimated APR of their investments.

If the APR is low, you can make a bigger investment to expect a higher profit. Increase the risk, increase the potential profit.

[AB de Royse777]

I am interested to know how much was the locked bitcoin amount? Please don't say it's 1 or 1/2 mBTC :-D

You guesstimate might actually not be that off, as I see that Binance offers measly ~0.3% apy on bitcoin.

Having said that, I just don't understand why would anyone with their right mind risk holding their bitcoin for such a low return. I mean, I could somewhat understand if we were talking about 5-10% (even though that is very risky too), but 0.3%??

Recently I am considering to invest some in Blackjack.fun since their interest rate is 15%. They are in the ecosystem for long time, Eva and the team also showed some great progress. But for 0.3%, it's too unnecessary. Centralized exchange, you risk your coins for almost nothing.

[Rikafip]

Recently I am considering to invest some in Blackjack.fun since their interest rate is 15%.

Dunno, 15% apy seems kinda too high to me to be sustainable for a longer period of time and too be good to be true. And you know how things that sound too good to be true usually end in crypto.

[NotATether]

It is the lack of experience in the markets. That person is a doctor, not a banker/fund manager. (Sometimes that won’t suffice too) He has zero information on risk management and money management. He might be a very good doctor but doesn’t mean he will be a very good investor. They are totally different professions which demand totally different skill sets.

Many crypto people learned to trade assets on the markets after they met crypto. Before crypto, they didn’t know anything about finance/stocks etc. So the idea of trading assets on the financial markets is too new to them.

They lack knowledge and education. They know nothing about risk management. Their minds are weak.

I too was one of those people and I too lost big potential gains in the past. I didn’t lose anything from my own pockets luckily but after reading many books about investing/finance/risk management I see now that I could very well have been that guy.

Once I read a forum user on WO and he said that he made his fortune before crypto, in the stock markets. That’s exactly where people should start learning about making investments before they do anything with crypto.

They don’t teach how to be a good trader in a medicine school too. People who became crypto investors learned it from the internet and there are far too much wrong info on the internet. Everyone has an idea but only a few has real information.

Everything you wrote here is right. Casuals and Youtubers have no business trading crypto until they learn enough to get certified in finance and investing.

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Recently I am considering to invest some in Blackjack.fun since their interest rate is 15%.

Dunno, 15% apy seems kinda too high to me to be sustainable for a longer period of time and too be good to be true. And you know how things that sound too good to be true usually end in crypto.

Royse is right here, they ^{Blackjack.fun} have been around for a long time and there have been no serious complaints about them, at least not on the forum. This gives a certain amount of trust.
What is debatable is what this staking is for, because the investors' funds do not participate in the casino bankroll, the profit does not depend on the winnings, and there is also no risk in the case of large winnings of the user.

Royse777, keep in mind that their withdrawal fee is quite high, for example, currently, it is 0.00288081 BTC. Although the staking funds are not locked, it is certainly not an option where you can withdraw funds whenever you want.

[Rikafip]

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What is debatable is what this staking is for, because the investors' funds do not participate in the casino bankroll, the profit does not depend on the winnings, and there is also no risk in the case of large winnings of the user.

Logical question then is from where that 15% comes from? I surely hope they are not doing anything risky with pepple's money.

I mean, I know that freebitco has been around for many years, but much bigger players couldn't sustain even smaller returns so that's why this 15% seems to good to be true.

[mindrust]

Since theymos broke my post after the recent updates about m-xers (It is not allowed to link to jamemba anymore), I decided to make this post a web app and created passivecryptoin.com.  
Maybe people will find the info there useful as they did here so I will continue to update this website as other opportunities become available.
I'll leave this topic open so the discussion can continue but new updates will be available on the website from now on because I don't want to get banned for providing links or any pics to jamambo.
I wanted to add some back-end capabilities too but I fucked it up somewhere in the code and it didn't work as I planned so... static is what we got now :p

[AB de Royse777]

Everything you wrote here is right. Casuals and Youtubers have no business trading crypto until they learn enough to get certified in finance and investing.

I think it's not their fault, it's the viewers who have no idea who to follow. They fail to understand that these social presenters are making money out of the view and subscription, not by investing or advising any financial advice. They are good at video editing, and holding the interest of their audience.

Royse is right here, they ^{Blackjack.fun} have been around for a long time and there have been no serious complaints about them, at least not on the forum. This gives a certain amount of trust.
What is debatable is what this staking is for, because the investors' funds do not participate in the casino bankroll, the profit does not depend on the winnings, and there is also no risk in the case of large winnings of the user.

Royse777, keep in mind that their withdrawal fee is quite high, for example, currently, it is 0.00288081 BTC. Although the staking funds are not locked, it is certainly not an option where you can withdraw funds whenever you want.

I know the fees sucks. Recently I saw they have sportsbook which means there are a need for bankroll. Before it used to be the blackjack tables only. Any investment was meant to improve the project development.

 

[mindrust]

Royse777, keep in mind that their withdrawal fee is quite high, for example, currently, it is 0.00288081 BTC. Although the staking funds are not locked, it is certainly not an option where you can withdraw funds whenever you want.

Withdrawal fees on blackjack.fun are dynamic. Like how it is on freebitco.in but as far as I know it never reached these high levels on freebitco.in. When I began participating in this sig camp the withdrawal fee was as low as 3-6k sats.

My payment has arrived and thanks for being so quick however the withdrawal fee is around 6k sats which translates to 4 bucks. It is 4.5% when we get the full payment $90 and a lot more when we make less posts.

I think that's a bit too much considering that most of us are not interested in keeping the funds on the casino. I've been in similar campaigns before and the manager talked to the casino owner and they decided not to charge  the campaign participants any withdrawal fees. Is there something you can do about it icopress?

edit: I just withdrew my coins and the fee was 2.5k sats ~$1.75. It is not huge but would be better if it was 0.

When I made my first withdrawal after getting my first payment, I only paid 2.5k sats. I have been staking them ever since and getting paid hourly. The spammer will get bored at some point hopefully and we will be able to do whatever we want with our coins.

Logical question then is from where that 15% comes from? I surely hope they are not doing anything risky with pepple's money.

There is a hard cap on the amount they need and that's 20 btc. (not per user, it is a site-wide limit) So they are spending 3btc every year to pay investors. Do you think they can't afford to pay it?

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Withdrawal fees on blackjack.fun are dynamic. Like how it is on freebitco.in but as far as I know it never reached these high levels on freebitco.in. When I began participating in this sig camp the withdrawal fee was as low as 3-6k sats.

Yes, it was like that when the fee was around 10-15 sat/vb.
I just note that in case someone wants to close the investment and withdraw Bitcoin from there, it is currently very expensive, and it seems that it will soon return to normal.

When I made my first withdrawal after getting my first payment, I only paid 2.5k sats. I have been staking them ever since and getting paid hourly. The spammer will get bored at some point hopefully and we will be able to do whatever we want with our coins.

I waited a couple of weeks to make just one withdrawal, now the Runes idiots forced me to stake. 

[TheUltraElite]

Logical question then is from where that 15% comes from? I surely hope they are not doing anything risky with pepple's money.

I mean, I know that freebitco has been around for many years, but much bigger players couldn't sustain even smaller returns so that's why this 15% seems to good to be true.

It is the reason why I have not yet get into this website, although I have been putting money on freebitcoin. The 4.08% Per annum is feasible but 15% does raise some eyebrows.

They might be having other methods to use that money that gives them higher gains. They will not reveal these things to us, but investors will have to accept that those are high-risk ventures but they are profitable and just accept what they get without further questions.

However the site is running well and no legitimate scam accusation against the site either. So invest but at your own risk, you never know what the future holds.

[Rikafip]

There is a hard cap on the amount they need and that's 20 btc. (not per user, it is a site-wide limit) So they are spending 3btc every year to pay investors.

Yeah that kind of cap makes it more feasible to actually be able to sustain that 15% return for longer period of time.

Do you think they can't afford to pay it?

I don't now, but I am not willing to risk my bitcoin in order to find out.