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[AB de Royse777]

We can only mathematically guarantee a minimum value of wins.

It means you have external force to decide results but you are advertising as "Provably Fair" system. It's contradictory. Without being transparent, it will be hard to establish a business in this community. Besides, I have seen lotteries are not popular in this forum. Member think they will make you rich instead of them receiving by luck. It's weird psychology though. 

[sunsilk]

Dont know if its just me but this one been looping like forever.

I do have 200mbps internet
Updated Chrome and tested out on other browsers but still end up on the same loading times.
Did make out some 2-3 minutes wait which it is really just that too much.

Same issues anyone?

Me.

I have a quick internet speed and was surprised to see that it has loaded quite low. It didn't take me that long compared to yours but I find it very slow if it's a new website and only has that much text.

This is probably due to the server of the website whoever is their provider. And going on to this lottery, it's the first time to see a lottery that needs to fill all the tickets first and has a 'presale', weird for me.

[seoincorporation]

I was looking again to your page and there is a big problem. It looks like you are printing in the console loge each time you read and write content on the database, the problem with this is that you leak your table names.

You should fix that asap, and avoid the console.log of sensitive information.

To see the problem just open the site, then open the developer tools (F12), and there you will see how the database calls are printed on each web socket call.

[QuintoSA]

It means you have external force to decide results but you are advertising as "Provably Fair" system. It's contradictory. Without being transparent, it will be hard to establish a business in this community. Besides, I have seen lotteries are not popular in this forum. Member think they will make you rich instead of them receiving by luck. It's weird psychology though. 

You have to think more about mathematical probabilities, that's what the minimum wins are. In a lottery, there are tables of odds of what outcomes are the most likely. When comparing it against every permutation being sold, we can guarantee the minimum number of wins based on this. There are no external forces outside of what is described in our Provably Fair document; from the generation of the tickets to the result of the lottery draw, it is secure from any sort of manipulation attempt.

I was looking again to your page and there is a big problem. It looks like you are printing in the console loge each time you read and write content on the database, the problem with this is that you leak your table names.

You should fix that asap, and avoid the console.log of sensitive information.

Thanks, we'll try to disable the console logging in production builds. There probably really isn't any sensitive information, all the client receives from the server is related to a single user account anyway, but disabling logging should improve performance anyway.

[AB de Royse777]

It means you have external force to decide results but you are advertising as "Provably Fair" system. It's contradictory. Without being transparent, it will be hard to establish a business in this community. Besides, I have seen lotteries are not popular in this forum. Member think they will make you rich instead of them receiving by luck. It's weird psychology though.  

You have to think more about mathematical probabilities, that's what the minimum wins are. In a lottery, there are tables of odds of what outcomes are the most likely. When comparing it against every permutation being sold, we can guarantee the minimum number of wins based on this. There are no external forces outside of what is described in our Provably Fair document; from the generation of the tickets to the result of the lottery draw, it is secure from any sort of manipulation attempt.

It went over my head but I hope whatever you are doing is legit and your users would not question it. As for probable fair, as far as I know there are a server seed, then the client seed. After the result the client can verify the result with some math that is related to the server and client seed.

[QuintoSA]

As for probable fair, as far as I know there are a server seed, then the client seed. After the result the client can verify the result with some math that is related to the server and client seed.

Windfall Lottery does not utilize client seeds, the pre-sorted tickets are distributed in order of purchase and the lottery draw happens based on the SHAKE256 hash of a file that contains a listing of all tickets, including when, anonymized user IDs, and how many were purchased at a time. The file includes the random seed used to pre-sort the tickets, as well as the time of the lottery end before the hash is computed and the drawing is determined.

Client seeds are used in not yet launched lottery games, including the game Windfall Lottery is based on, when random picks are requested (the Windfall Lottery drawing actually happens pretty much the same way these picks will be generated: by combining a server and client seed, a hash is obtained, and from there, a random number determines the cards for a lottery pick).

While the combination of server and client seeds are common (and we do use the combination in other games), we feel like it does not violate Provably Fair principles when a game might only depend on a server seed. We still try to make sure it is effective impossible for server operators to manipulate; the only real avenue of attack on Windfall Lottery's drawing is to brute force changes to the purchase file, and the time required to successfully perform such an attack is prohibitively expensive (on the order of hundreds of years).

[seoincorporation]

As for probable fair, as far as I know there are a server seed, then the client seed. After the result the client can verify the result with some math that is related to the server and client seed.

Windfall Lottery does not utilize client seeds, the pre-sorted tickets are distributed in order of purchase and the lottery draw happens based on the SHAKE256 hash of a file that contains a listing of all tickets, including when, anonymized user IDs, and how many were purchased at a time. The file includes the random seed used to pre-sort the tickets, as well as the time of the lottery end before the hash is computed and the drawing is determined.

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While the combination of server and client seeds are common (and we do use the combination in other games), we feel like it does not violate Provably Fair principles when a game might only depend on a server seed. We still try to make sure it is effective impossible for server operators to manipulate; the only real avenue of attack on Windfall Lottery's drawing is to brute force changes to the purchase file, and the time required to successfully perform such an attack is prohibitively expensive (on the order of hundreds of years).

Let me explain to you the problem with this, if the tickets are pre-sorted and distributed in order of purchase then you already know what tickets will win, and you can buy them or tell your friends to buy them. This is totally rigged.

You need to prove fairness so you get trust, other way, the community will never get interested in your lottery system. As Royse777 mentioned, you need to find a way to make it work with a client seed and a user seed.

[QuintoSA]

Let me explain to you the problem with this, if the tickets are pre-sorted and distributed in order of purchase then you already know what tickets will win, and you can buy them or tell your friends to buy them. This is totally rigged.

It is totally impossible to know what tickets will win. The drawing only happens after all purchases are made, and the purchases provide the unpredictable factors to make it so.

Please review the Provably Fair page on the site, it explains in detail how all of this is done, including how the picks are sorted and how the drawing is determined. Feel free to express any critiques based on this algorithm.

[khaled0111]

If I may suggest, it would be better to reduce the number of tickets.
According to the stats on your website only 38 tickets have been sold in more than five months! It's going to take an eternity to sell the remaining 24962 tickets at this pace.
I also took a look at the pf page and found it difficult to understand how it works. Try to explain it in a different way so anyone can understand it.

[AmoreJaz]

If I may suggest, it would be better to reduce the number of tickets.
According to the stats on your website only 38 tickets have been sold in more than five months! It's going to take an eternity to sell the remaining 24962 tickets at this pace.
I also took a look at the pf page and found it difficult to understand how it works. Try to explain it in a different way so anyone can understand it.

And with such long time of waiting, high likely that those who bought tickets will already forget about this lottery. Or much worse, their site is already down before it happens. So what is the guarantee that this site will survive and complete the tickets before they go out of business? So yeah, that vital question is hard to answer as only those owners of this site will know their long-term plans.