BFL bringing down the trust rating?

[Bicknellski]

I would prefer not to receive any POSITIVE trust ratings as a result of this insanity. Please do not ask people to post positive trust for my account. I would rather EARN the trust as a result of my dealings with individuals. Please if you can LittleD remove me from that list in your posts. Nothing is solved by gaming the system to counter BFL's BS.

What really needs to happen is Inaba, BFL and BFL_Josh need to have a ban. For what amounts to a spam attempt on the trust system. Even though only 3 people have taken them up on their offer as I guess there are only 3 people on their website the intent was there to FLOOD the system with spam trust. You ban others from this forum for sending PM's you should reward Josh and BFL the same way. Give them a 30 day rest away from the forum for the attempt.

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[fsb4000]

Leave Negative feedback for these three accounts:

Inaba: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=8198

BFL_Josh: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=63314

BFL: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=44366

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/8203-win-butterfly-labs-imperial-monarch.html

and


Leave Positive feedback for these three accounts:
    
Theymos: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=35
  
Dogie: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=87869
    
Bicknellski: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=76550

This post is the best evidence(demonstration) that "bitcointalk trust rating" is not real trust rating and just popularity rating.
Thank you LittleD  

[dogie]

Its not as simple as their ratings meaning nothing though, because they put fake comments, like the last one I've received: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=292478

It makes it look like he purchased something and never received it. If a new person comes along, they now ARE less likely to trade with me because of that.

[Swordsoffreedom]

It makes it look like he purchased something and never received it. If a new person comes along, they now ARE less likely to trade with me because of that.

I guess in a sense trust while being useful does bring about a fair bit of collateral damage just because of the way it was designed in the first place

[BFLrCONmen]

Again, this whole site is a joke run by a joker (thrymos) so whoncare what josh and his fellow cronies are doing. Bcp19, fsb4000 etc are all on the payroll over there so who cares what they do. Let him do his silly little thing and ignore him,

JUST IGNOR HIM! Nothing gets to them more than not giving an attention seeking prick attention!

[BFLrCONmen]

Have a look at his sent

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=8198

He's sending negative feedback to others as well as the ones specifically in his twisted phyops game that he's playing on..... Himself? I mean, everyone with common sense and a memory longer than a gold fish ( I know, goldfish have good memories but you get the point!) Doesn't need trust ratings, he lost and faith of the community YEARS ago for most, never mind all these silly games he plays. One sick mother fucker indeed! Someone syphon the fuel outnof hisnplane or something ha ha.

Shit this dude is so disconnected, when's his next conference, I recon we all go pay him a visit... Who's in!

[millsdmb]

BFL must be getting desperate to resort to bribery.

this.

[Bicknellski]

04-01-2014, 02:46 PM #30
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Just not on those days... meaning you'd have 1 less entry into the contest when we run the random drawing. Each day is a separate ticket to enter in the raffle basically.

I think this constitutes spamming the trust system. Will the mods take action?

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Just not on those days... meaning you'd have 1 less entry into the contest when we run the random drawing. Each day is a separate ticket to enter in the raffle basically.

I think this constitutes spamming the trust system. Will the mods take action?

Nope.

[YipYip]

I'm sorry my opinion (shared by 95% of the people here) offends your 'brain'.

Nothing offends. You can write whatever you want. I just do not understand why you so care about my opinion?? Are you not be able to sleep knowing that I wrote  negative feedbacks?  
Take it easy

Heres my opinion "GO FUCK YOURSELF"

See it does not really matter ...does it ??

[fsb4000]

I'm sorry my opinion (shared by 95% of the people here) offends your 'brain'.

Nothing offends. You can write whatever you want. I just do not understand why you so care about my opinion?? Are you not be able to sleep knowing that I wrote  negative feedbacks?  
Take it easy

Here's my opinion "GO FUCK YOURSELF"

See it does not really matter ...does it ??

Of course, this post just shows a level of your culture.
Actually, everyone who do not like Josh should be happy about this contest. Because as a result of this contest Josh will lose his money.(the cost of one monarch)
economic punishment  

[Swordsoffreedom]

I'm sorry my opinion (shared by 95% of the people here) offends your 'brain'.

Nothing offends. You can write whatever you want. I just do not understand why you so care about my opinion?? Are you not be able to sleep knowing that I wrote  negative feedbacks?  
Take it easy

Here's my opinion "GO FUCK YOURSELF"

See it does not really matter ...does it ??

Of course, this post just shows a level of your culture.
Actually, everyone who do not like Josh should be happy about this contest. Because as a result of this contest Josh will lose his money.(the cost of one monarch)
economic punishment  

For some reason I was thinking it may be one monarch but that sure ain't much compared to everything else hes collected from preorders lol

[dogie]

Wow, BFL really doing a good job spamming my trust.

[SaltySpitoon]

Wow, BFL really doing a good job spamming my trust.

You look alright to me  

*cough cough* one of the first times I can say that the default trust system is working in a positive manner.

[Bicknellski]

Spam is spam... you can't PM people too much or that is spam but you can ask your "customers" or make phony accounts to post day after day after day on the trust system. 99.99% of these trust ratings are lies and or attempts to further promote BFL products and the "contest" and has little or nothing to do with the stated purpose of the trust system and thus needs to be removed or sanctioned sooner than later our people will abuse it even more. This isn't about an abuse of the system against a single person but really it is to further promote a company using the trust system. If you allow companies to use the Trust system as a form or advertisement then I suspect you are going to see this proliferate. Seems like a cheap and easy way to promote a product and avoid paying for adds on the forum.

What is stopping me now from posting a positive trust rating on every member of this site with a link to my favourite product? Or say a warning to everyone not to buy BFL and link Case Name:Meissner v. BF Labs Inc. and this Case Cause:28:1330 Breach of Contract or Case No. 2:13-cv-2617  JURY TRIAL REQUESTED to where legal action has been taken against BFL? I don't suggest for a minute that everyone who hates BFL and the way they have treated this community enmasse post these links tied to BFL , Inaba or BFL_Josh or anyone of the people that are now spamming the trust but here is a list of their names below feel free to do what you want as there are no rules against it obviously. That would be a mess wouldn't it oh boy?

And yes this is going to be a new thread in Meta to track each and everyone of these people so that the community is aware of what BFL is doing. It is interesting that even with 100s of customers they can only get a handful to take this deal and many I suspect are just puppet accounts they created here in Bitcointalk given that most are newbie accounts. Now I am doing this not for me I don't give a rats ass about the trust system, or my own reputation here in BTCtalk land as I am pretty certain anyone of merit understands who I am and what I have done and if they don't they will see how I will treat the community in the coming months and years.

I do worry Dogie's rep and I think that BFL has certainly made an enemy out of someone that nearly  all of the mining community recognizes as upstanding and helpful. Here is my pledge that I will spend the required time to rectify that and make sure that anyone messing with his trust rating is sanctioned properly by the trust system. However the mods need to do more to protect people who are being helpful. It is beyond me why this forum would not stand up for someone like this and protect them against this sort of thing, but that is not in their job description. Spam is. This is spam. These are the spammers do something. This list will be updated as BFL adds more puppet accounts.

Spammers as of 05/04/2014:

BFL
Inaba
BFL_Josh
dmelj
Anonymailer
hardhouseinc
Cassey
criminalben
Pry4u
fsb4000
Pokokohua!
securo
Flyeye
BTCJack
stevenmicah
Raw-H
JoRoidx
alphabetacanary
monsterblitz

I wouldn't ask people to simply cut and paste this into the trust ratings of those who are trying to spam the trust system as a protest to BFL and to show the mods that spam is really not what the trust system is for. Although technically this is well within the trust rating system to post warnings like this against people who are scammers. Then again it could be easily resolved if the moderators take up the stand that this is spam and put all these accounts on notice.

Note that Martin Meissner was scammed for $62,000 USD approx 140 BTC at today's rates. BTC Market Rates

BFL being sued for breach of contract. Case Name:Meissner v. BF Labs Inc. and this Case Cause:28:1330 Breach of Contract or Case No. 2:13-cv-2617  JURY TRIAL REQUESTED Do not buy pre-order from BFL and do not use their mining hosting services.
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/02/new-lawsuit-against-bitcoin-miner-manufacturer-alleges-fraud-negligence/; https://ia600702.us.archive.org/13/items/gov.uscourts.ksd.95395/gov.uscourts.ksd.95395.docket.html;
http://ia700702.us.archive.org/13/items/gov.uscourts.ksd.95395/gov.uscourts.ksd.95395.2.0.pdf

Are we now allowing the trust system to be an advertorial sytem. At what point does it become spam. I would suggest it has passed that mark the day someone posted 2x on the same "trust" aspect ie in terms of the BFL "contest". At this point you have to admit this is spam and it should be addressed. This isn't about whether the trust system or the default trust is working or not. We have moved into vandalism / spam / graffiti / advertisements and that is an issue that has to be addressed. BFL is more than attempting to game the trust system they are using it to promote their own products. If you do nothing then it is a green light for everyone to do the same. Good luck policing the system. I suggest a BAN on those doing this will right the ship quickly.

[jambola2]

<3 Dogie.

Every single person who has posted negative feedback and positive feedback as asked by BFL now has a fuckton of negatives

[Bicknellski]

<3 Dogie.

Every single person who has posted negative feedback and positive feedback as asked by BFL now has a fuckton of negatives

They do but they have also spammed Dogie's, Theymos and my trust area with ads for BFL's contest as well as false reports in order to get more people to get into the contest or look at BFL pages. Shouldn't BFL have to pay for adverts? Do the bitcointalk owners like losing revenue? I think there is a lot more the community can do to resolve this and we need to let mods know we don't like spam in the trust system. At this point we all know BFL is a drag on Bitcoin and with a little effort from 1000s of members here we can stand against spamming the trust system.

Stand in solidarity with the hundreds of customers that got scammed like Martin Meissner who is still looking to recover $62,000 from BFL.

TAKE A STAND AGAINST BFL'S SPAM

[fsb4000]

 

[dogie]

Wow, BFL really doing a good job spamming my trust.

You look alright to me 

*cough cough* one of the first times I can say that the default trust system is working in a positive manner.

40 negative comments in a row!! What does the nuke button do? That looks interesting.

Also if iluvpcs is now default, why wouldn't I be showing green?

[dogie]

Because you don't understand how the system works. To everyone else you're glowing redder than a christmas tree and bicknellski is neutral.