Scam warning - Yomix mixer, turned into an exit scam!

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In order not to get into the issue of the mixer ban on this forum again, I will open this thread as a kind of warning about the Yomix service, on which scam accusations often appear.
I hope this is not against the ban rules, because it is not a promotion of any kind, but a reference as a warning and collecting most of the known complaints about them.. (theymos to be mentioned)

Representative account: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3525916
Flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3296

@icopress warned, transferring information from other forums:

I'll leave this here (regarding Ym/Cr) ^{[google translator should do a great job through the camera]}.

XSS is a kind of closed party for hackers, a forum where about 500 users are always online (on Bitcointalk it’s even less). Almost all commercial activities are insured by deposits (deposits that are kept by the forum administrators). As a result, any accusations of fraud are considered by the treasurers (I think you understand that these people have a basic understanding).

YoMix used this forum for advertising for many years and had a deposit of 1 Bitcoin. In addition, the YoMix thread was pinned in the services section. This whole conversation boils down to the fact that after the accusation of fraud was published, and after the treasurer of the forum examined the case, the deposit was confiscated and yomix was banned.

In addition, moderator  xss "bratva" notified everyone that shortly before this, the official YoMix account withdrew a deposit from another forum called "Exploit" (any mixer who wanted to conduct marketing activities had to make a deposit that would cover any claims).

Among other things, user grozdniyandy reported that the YoMix domain was on the same IP address with some other mixer domains, including digital ones (from which we can conclude that they belong to the same person). A little more than 2 weeks later, the same user reported that YoMix had changed the server.

There are some more mentions on Reddit, but I think the complaints posted on xss are enough.

We have seen some users before who came for the first time to complain about a service. Of course, we don't always believe such accusations, but they are quite similar and point to the same thing. Perhaps due to the limitation of the discussion about mixers, as well as the impossibility of contact with Yomix representatives, so far there have been no requests to verify the accuracy of these claims.

what happened:

I need to mix bitcoins, so I tried to use yomix (https://[banned mixer]/).

because I trust yomix, I did not check step by step the amount of bitcoins sent to me after each mixing, nor did I check one by one through the blockchain explorer whether I received it Mix Bitcoin (because the yomix website prompts that the sending was successful).

Finally I was surprised to find that the order showed that it was sent successfully, but no Bitcoin was sent to my wallet address (the success deceived my eyes, because at first I thought yomix would not lie to me, but the fact is, after the transaction was completed, the order told me The mix succeeds, the send succeeds, but I don't receive any bitcoins at all).

So I tried submitting multiple tickets to contact order support. It has been 7 days and no one has contacted me and my ticket has not been answered.
The current loss is about US$30,000-40,000.

So, please stay away from this scam site (at least so far my order bitcoins have not been sent to my wallet).

I also hope that yomix can send the funds that originally belong to me after seeing my message, because this is very important to me.

Hi bitcoiners,

I have been using Yo!Mix from the 2022 and everything was great until this time I sent them 2.10 BTC and i have letter og gaurantee, still I didint receive any portion of my order and I tried to open ticket with them no answer and response from them.

Does anyone know if YoMix still in business or they just start to scam people?

Note:

Yes I have proof and transactions history

They are also already marked as an alternative to the well-known Lazarus group, after the closure of other services. It seems that it is only a matter of time when their service will be seized
https://cryptonews.com/news/yomix-replaces-sanctioned-sinbad-mixer-for-lazarus-hacker-group-chainalysis.htm

More references:
https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/1b8fmmj/yomixio_is_a_pure_scam_beware/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1bvc9tu/yomixio_exit_scam_15_btc_lost/
https://forum.bits.media

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[Charles-Tim]

I have seen many complaints about Yo!Mix mixer recently and they are not solved. I have tagged the representative account red and I am also supporting the flag.

Those mixers that have active signature campaign on Altcoinstalks are better, but Yo!Mix is not among them. I think it has ended its service when mixer signature campaigns were banned on this forum last year. Any money sent to the mixer now should be considered gone.

[JeromeTash]

Absolutely terrifying!

Imagine losing such amounts to a service that decided to make an exit scam. These are the things that bring a very bad impression to crypto. I am imagining the two victims quoted are probably cursing the day they decided to acquire some Bitcoins and have them mixed to enhance their privacy.

Who knows how many more victims are out there who have not spoken out.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

[...]
I hope this is not against the ban rules, because it is not a promotion of any kind, but a reference as a warning and collecting most of the known complaints about them.. (theymos to be mentioned)[...]

Over the last few weeks, I understood that it's not against the ban rules. You are going to aware people to avoid the mixer. I think this topic should be here before too.  I tagged the account and supported the flag too.

[hugeblack]

Flag supported
It is unfortunate to see that they have turned to scam, but action must be taken against them because I believe that some will try to use the mixer, considering that they have trusted them in the past.

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Flag supported
It is unfortunate to see that they have turned to scam, but action must be taken against them because I believe that some will try to use the mixer, considering that they have trusted them in the past.

It is bizarre that with their transition to the exit scam, they are probably no longer the subject of the FED's investigation.
Who cares about another scammer on the internet...

[LoyceV]

Could it be their business model changed after the mixer ban on Bitcointalk? I can imagine they lost customers and advertising, which may have changed their long-term perspective into realizing an exit scam is more profitable.

Or:

I've seen many scamming mixers over the years. Until recently, I didn't realize some mixers may just be created by non-scamming bad guys in need of good people looking for privacy. I can't be certain which mixers fall in which category, but by now I think it's likely both exist.

Could it be they were actually "the bad guys" who ran out of "bad money" to exchange, so they decided to keep everything now?

[goldkingcoiner]

This is the direct result of the irresponsible and immoral government that decided mixing services should be considered illegal, despite not having the logical nor legal justification to do so.

So what happens when those services become illegal? They all go into the black market, where they ultimately scam their own customers. Just the same as the illegal, unregulated drug markets do to their customers, on the Darkweb. Does the government expect us to pretend that decentralized services do not exist? They cannot be taken down because of their decentralized nature.

You would think that the regulators understand by now, that getting rid of decentralized mixing services is as impossible as banning a plant. All they achieve by trying is creating more scammers.

I do not understand the mixxer issue anyway. If I wanted to anonymize and launder my money, I would use FIAT.

[LoyceV]

So what happens when those services become illegal? They all go into the black market, where they ultimately scam their own customers.

My take: not knowing which site is secure will stop users from using them. That's a bonus on top of banning the ones that didn't scam.

I do not understand the mixxer issue anyway. If I wanted to anonymize and launder my money, I would use FIAT.

You, like governments, mix (pun intended) the word "anonymize" and "launder". If I give you a $100 bill, and you give me another one in return, we've both anonymized the money (as long as neither of us talks about it). But if you have $10 million criminal money, exchanging it for another pile of $10 million isn't going to help you spend it. You'll need a car wash in Albuquerque for that.

[goldkingcoiner]

So what happens when those services become illegal? They all go into the black market, where they ultimately scam their own customers.

My take: not knowing which site is secure will stop users from using them. That's a bonus on top of banning the ones that didn't scam.

Sorry, but your take is wrong.

If you apply that logic to something else, for example the illegal drug market, you will notice that a prohibition does not scare people away from using drugs. And because it is unregulated due to it's illegal nature, the dealers put shady and unknown chemicals into their product to make it even stronger (deadlier). The end result is still : anyone who wants to obtain drugs can do so. But a prohibition creates more unintentional deaths.

Sure, it is the customer's fault for using it, but that does not mean they deserve to suffer/die for their mistake. That is not a bonus. That is shitty governing.

Same with Mixers: they cannot be effectively banned. So banning the white market services is a counterproductive practice which will not have the intended effect of dampening mixing services. Only making it more possible for the bad ones to scam more people.

I do not understand the mixxer issue anyway. If I wanted to anonymize and launder my money, I would use FIAT.

You, like governments, mix (pun intended) the word "anonymize" and "launder". If I give you a $100 bill, and you give me another one in return, we've both anonymized the money (as long as neither of us talks about it). But if you have $10 million criminal money, exchanging it for another pile of $10 million isn't going to help you spend it. You'll need a car wash in Albuquerque for that.

Sure, laundering large amounts of fiat is harder than smaller amounts, but as you stated yourself, it's not an impossible task. You don't even need to be Heisenberg to do it. Bitcoin is less anonymous than Fiat and much harder to launder due to it being a literal public ledger. And you would still need to provide an explanation to how you were able to afford your new Ferrari. That rings true for both cryptocurrency as well as fiat.

[dkbit98]

Flag supported.
Mixers are not allowed to post anything in bitcointalk forum but they can still communicate with others using PM, and I think there is danger of someone getting tricked and scammed after searching history and reputation of that service in forum.
I think Scam accusation topic will also help a bit with visibility of g00gle search results.

Could it be their business model changed after the mixer ban on Bitcointalk? I can imagine they lost customers and advertising, which may have changed their long-term perspective into realizing an exit scam is more profitable.

Maybe they started scamming even before ban in forum, we can't know for sure, but I think they started doing that on darknet forums first.

[JeromeTash]

Maybe they started scamming even before ban in forum, we can't know for sure, but I think they started doing that on darknet forums first.

We would have seen genuine scam accusations if this was the case, given that Yomix was heavily advertised in the forum. Mixers like cryptomixer would have issues some weeks, but we would immediately see brand-new accounts register in this forum and report about mixing huge sums of BTC and not getting them back.

Secondly, how would they know that a certain user was from a darknet forum and another was from a clearnet forum?

[Poker Player]

First, thanks to NotATether for letting me know about this. I am always open to change my feedback and more so if it is in a blatant case like this. Apart from changing it I have also supported the flag.

Hey dkbit98, on the other forum you say the only positive they had was mine. I don't know if it's a matter of your custom trust list but julerz12 is on DT2 and had also left positive feedback for them. Maybe someone should let him know about this too.

[hugeblack]

Hey dkbit98, on the other forum you say the only positive they had was mine. I don't know if it's a matter of your custom trust list but julerz12 is on DT2 and had also left positive feedback for them. Maybe someone should let him know about this too.

Should previous positive trust be removed if scam occurs?
trust feedback was

Good lads. Despite only being able to reimburse $1347 out of the $4320 for the hacked funds, they absolved me of the remaining debts.

It was not about using mixing service, so I think @julerz12 should add a negative trust and leave the old one.
For example @yogg still have +11 positive trust

[julerz12]

Thanks for the notification. Flag supported. Trust feedback updated. Updated the thread title in their service thread in the other forum too.

[Mate2237]

Another mixer has gone down again? So the f mixers still in the forum then next one to disappoint the forum was Yomix. Probably they know themselves and that was why they didn't launched their services in the altcoinstalks forum. This is very bad. Was it that the management of Sinbad was the same with Yomix? After here I thought Yomix would be in the other side of the advertisement but it was not because it knew itself.

[LoyceV]

Should previous positive trust be removed if scam occurs?

It should probably stay, so it shows a timeline of events, and shows how the account went from "good" to "bad".

[Poker Player]

Should previous positive trust be removed if scam occurs?

It should probably stay, so it shows a timeline of events, and shows how the account went from "good" to "bad".

I'll try to remember for next time as I agree that it is surely better to understand what happened chronologically. Although I don't think it is too bad to delete the previous one and I have seen it done in other cases. The bad thing is that once you delete the feedback you can no longer restore it on the same temporary location, but in any case in my new one I refer to the old one.

[dkbit98]

Secondly, how would they know that a certain user was from a darknet forum and another was from a clearnet forum?

By using your brain and eyes.  

Hey dkbit98, on the other forum you say the only positive they had was mine. I don't know if it's a matter of your custom trust list but julerz12 is on DT2 and had also left positive feedback for them. Maybe someone should let him know about this too.

I dont have any custom trust list anymore, I  think I pinged both of you in one of my posts in bitcointalk forum.
This was just a suggestion, and I know he was a manager that worked with them before so he is well aware of current situation.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Should previous positive trust be removed if scam occurs?

It should probably stay, so it shows a timeline of events, and shows how the account went from "good" to "bad".

+1
The feedback page is the timeline for any forum member or a business. But when only the feedback is old enough. Some may abuse it that leave one now after a day leave another one. For short period of time, it's better to remove the old one and replace it with the new.