Can a seed phrase on steel or titanium sheet survive this flood?

[sokani]

Dubai has never been able to take advance preparation for this terrible flood so without advance preparation it becomes very difficult for a country to deal with the overall flood situation.

It barely rains in United Arab Emirates and to tell you how much they needed rain, the government came up with a project called cloud seeding to make sure UAE gets enough of rainfall. The heavy downpour in Dubai was unprecedented and the drainage systems were not designed to handle such amount of rainfall that's why they had that kind of flooding.

Now coming to the consideration of bitcoin holders, if a bitcoin holder in Dubai keeps all his bitcoins in a device in the basement of a building, think for yourself how reasonable his bitcoins would be in this flood situation.

It'd only get bad so those who do not have multiple backups of their seed phrase. If they're lucky not to have their device destroyed by the rain, they'd create another wallet, back up their seed phrase and transfer the funds.

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[Assface16678]

Well if its written or engraved in a steel plate or titanium sheet then I think it is fine as long as its in a static position, I mean the sheet will not be sweep away or anything because even a steel or titanium plate could be torn apart against that kind of flood, but I dont think anyone that  has a treasure like that would let it, I mean of course that kind of flood will not happen instantly so I'm sure there will be a time for the people to evacuate and of course no one will leave its valuable things or treasure because its their asstes, and also I know that steel plate could be hard or a good sheet to write your seed ohrase but also it has a consequence, like it could be stolen or you could misplace it, so I dont think that this is also a good thing to put your important things like seed phrase.

[Mrbluntzy]

Can a seed phrase on steel or titanium sheet survive this flood?

Yes it can. Flood can not delete seed phrase on any steel sheet and flood can not damage the steel and can only carry the still away but would the owner of the wallet allow their seed phrase to be carried by water? No" Is the answer. Even before the flood will get this deep, you are supposed to have removed your wallet seed phrase phrase where ever it was kept.

[PX-Z]

First of all, we always need to backup seed phrases in multiple places. So in the in the case of a lost device or a seeded phrase, we can recover the wallet again.

If it's a disaster like this flood, considering those multiple places is still on your house, it's the same story then. Not unless you put it somewhere else house, bank's safe, or online, these three are somewhat not recommended.
So what you could do is keep it on somewhat fire proof, hard safe like vault that it cannot be moved easily by flood, well, you need a budget for this too.

[HelliumZ]

Survive but some disadvantages...

Engraved seed phase in steel or titanium sheet may avoid the fear of being washed away by flood water but it can cause many problems.
If for some reason someone steals this steel or titanium sheet of yours, of course you will not be able to guarantee the bitcoins in your wallet later. In this case your wallet will get hacked.
Moreover, if the light sheet is washed away in the flood water, it will definitely be washed away on the ground or in the current, in which case your wallet's security system will be lost forever.

[Ale88]

It is possible that doors and windows and wardrobes were broken. Can steel or titanium sheet survive this? It might probably has been swept away from the house into the ocean.

I really don't see the big deal, at the end of the day is just water, and if we are talking about salt water that could rust and corrode even steel, it would require a lot of time, it doesn't happen in a few days/weeks. I would be more concerned about the sheet being dragged away. If you live in an area that maybe be subject to this type of events you should find a proper place, for sure not a simple closet or drawer.

[lovesmayfamilis]

We cannot predict the mood of the elements, and when we think that we can protect our seed phrases, sometimes we are very mistaken. What should a person do if he finds himself far from the place where he left his steel or other capsule? Should I always carry it with me? Then what's the point?  I don’t know about the flood in Dubai—that is, about the consequences—but in the Russian flood, people had time to pick up documents and things important to them. The tragedy was for those who could not do this because they were far from home. That is why sometimes it becomes necessary to save your phrases on the Internet, having previously made a safe similar to safes from programs such as TrueCrypt.

[adaseb]

It might survive but most likely with a flood like that it might get swept away and get lost. I think those plates are more for like house fires rather than massive floods. You also need to understand that steel will start to rust if it’s exposed to water. However it’ll need to be submerged for a long period of time for it to eat away the actual words.

If you are worried then just keep the backup in more than one place. This is generally good practice in case of some environmental catastrophes such as those listed above. You can also lose one backup and you will be glad you had another one in place.

[Plaguedeath]

Flood isn't something that will occur randomly, your government should had warn the citizen for upcoming big flood. If I live in a country where extreme floods is nothing new, I would wear secret stash bracelet. Change the keys with laminated paper which I wrote my seed phrase, so it can resist against water.

No one will know if my bracelet contain almost all of my wealth.


https://www.yankodesign.com/2013/04/16/wear-your-secret-stash/

[fuguebtc]

Flood isn't something that will occur randomly, your government should had warn the citizen for upcoming big flood. If I live in a country where extreme floods is nothing new, I would wear secret stash bracelet. Change the keys with laminated paper which I wrote my seed phrase, so it can resist against water.

No one will know if my bracelet contain almost all of my wealth.


https://www.yankodesign.com/2013/04/16/wear-your-secret-stash/

So do you remember the terrible earthquake and collapse that happened in Türkiye and do you think there will be any technology advanced enough to know the full extent of mother nature's fury? It seems like you are trying to blame the government for the natural disasters caused by mother nature.

As I understand what the OP is trying to say, the OP is pointing out the disadvantages when we use steel plates to store seed phrase and they are hidden in the house or backyard. That shows that every method has its drawbacks and nothing is absolutely safe.
Your bracelet looks beautiful and quite secretive, but can you guarantee that if you encounter a strong impact it will not fall out of your hand? Don't be too subjective, everything has its risks.

[kotajikikox]

Well if its written or engraved in a steel plate or titanium sheet then I think it is fine as long as its in a static position, I mean the sheet will not be sweep away or anything because even a steel or titanium plate could be torn apart against that kind of flood, but I dont think anyone that  has a treasure like that would let it, I mean of course that kind of flood will not happen instantly so I'm sure there will be a time for the people to evacuate

Yup you are indeed correct. We must known basic survival skills in case of disaster instead of panicking and overthinking every little thing until it is too late and you have no more chance to evacuate safely.

We all should have an emergency route or plan to make sure that we and anything important are both safe. Do not act late and harshly.

[Dunamisx]

Stompix said it is a flood in Orenburg , Russia. There was flood in Dubai but not this image. But this does not change my question.

This was part of the flood in Dubai recently. The rain that should have fallen in almost 3 years fell in just one day and the whole of the city were flooded.



It is possible that doors and windows and wardrobes were broken. Can steel or titanium sheet survive this? It might probably has been swept away from the house into the ocean.

Why do you think many thoughts about the use of some of these materials for storing seed phrase, it's because of their durability, resistance and nature of the material element they were made up with, which should be able to resist water and fire to an extent, then the other advantage we can have is when we hare having an alternative means of storing our seeds, this will help us to achieve maximum protection over the use in case of any danger under unforseen conditions.

[Kristiyana]

Well I think the answer is yes" flood can not destroy a steel or titanium sheet,it can only move the steel from that particular place you kept it, that's if the flood came with erosion probably if you kept it inside the house maybe after the flood you might see it outside the house. However I think the best way to keep your seed phrase save in terms of natural disaster is by saving it in your Gmail account, but you need to make sure you have the Gmail password off hand.

[Ale88]

So do you remember the terrible earthquake and collapse that happened in Türkiye and do you think there will be any technology advanced enough to know the full extent of mother nature's fury? It seems like you are trying to blame the government for the natural disasters caused by mother nature.

As I understand what the OP is trying to say, the OP is pointing out the disadvantages when we use steel plates to store seed phrase and they are hidden in the house or backyard. That shows that every method has its drawbacks and nothing is absolutely safe.
Your bracelet looks beautiful and quite secretive, but can you guarantee that if you encounter a strong impact it will not fall out of your hand? Don't be too subjective, everything has its risks.

An earthquake is a completely different matter compared to a flood because your house can actually collapse completely. The main difference is where you live because if you have you own private house then you should still be able to find your steel plate; if you live in an apartment complex, maybe a big one, and it collapses then there would be so much debris that it becomes almost impossible to find it. Maybe a solution could be to place it inside some kind of strongbox colored/painted with some very bright color, like they do with plane's black boxes.

[Stalker22]

For a Titanium coated sheet,  if it is spared and not washed away, then the seed phrase will be safe. On the contrary, steel is not resistant to sea water under prolonged exposure, so seed phrase engraved in steel coated sheet is not safe when exposed to sea water. 

Sea water wont be a big problem if you use stainless steel, which you really should.  Sure, almost any iron alloy will rust eventually, but stainless steel will hold up for a long time.

[Marvelman]

So do you remember the terrible earthquake and collapse that happened in Türkiye and do you think there will be any technology advanced enough to know the full extent of mother nature's fury? It seems like you are trying to blame the government for the natural disasters caused by mother nature.

As I understand what the OP is trying to say, the OP is pointing out the disadvantages when we use steel plates to store seed phrase and they are hidden in the house or backyard. That shows that every method has its drawbacks and nothing is absolutely safe.
Your bracelet looks beautiful and quite secretive, but can you guarantee that if you encounter a strong impact it will not fall out of your hand? Don't be too subjective, everything has its risks.

An earthquake is a completely different matter compared to a flood because your house can actually collapse completely. The main difference is where you live because if you have you own private house then you should still be able to find your steel plate; if you live in an apartment complex, maybe a big one, and it collapses then there would be so much debris that it becomes almost impossible to find it. Maybe a solution could be to place it inside some kind of strongbox colored/painted with some very bright color, like they do with plane's black boxes.

This sparked an idea - securing the steel plate in a heavy-duty strongbox that's bolted to your home's foundation seems like a logical next step.  That anchoring would provide some protection if the structure collapses.  And I wonder if hiding one of those tiny GPS tracking devices (like people use to monitor pets) inside the strongbox or even embedding it into the steel itself would allow the plate to be located later in the debris.  Just a couple ideas to think about.

[fuguebtc]

So do you remember the terrible earthquake and collapse that happened in Türkiye and do you think there will be any technology advanced enough to know the full extent of mother nature's fury? It seems like you are trying to blame the government for the natural disasters caused by mother nature.

As I understand what the OP is trying to say, the OP is pointing out the disadvantages when we use steel plates to store seed phrase and they are hidden in the house or backyard. That shows that every method has its drawbacks and nothing is absolutely safe.
Your bracelet looks beautiful and quite secretive, but can you guarantee that if you encounter a strong impact it will not fall out of your hand? Don't be too subjective, everything has its risks.

An earthquake is a completely different matter compared to a flood because your house can actually collapse completely. The main difference is where you live because if you have you own private house then you should still be able to find your steel plate; if you live in an apartment complex, maybe a big one, and it collapses then there would be so much debris that it becomes almost impossible to find it. Maybe a solution could be to place it inside some kind of strongbox colored/painted with some very bright color, like they do with plane's black boxes.

This sparked an idea - securing the steel plate in a heavy-duty strongbox that's bolted to your home's foundation seems like a logical next step.  That anchoring would provide some protection if the structure collapses.  And I wonder if hiding one of those tiny GPS tracking devices (like people use to monitor pets) inside the strongbox or even embedding it into the steel itself would allow the plate to be located later in the debris.  Just a couple ideas to think about.

Too many ideas and none of them can guarantee absolute safety here. Personally, I think depending on the geographical area, weather situation, security as well as a combination of many other factors, we choose which method we think is the safest for us. We don't need to use other people's ways for ourselves when our circumstances and living environments are completely different.

Personally, I am very safe with backing up the seed phrase with a notebook and a copy saved on a USB, I have been safe with this method for many years and I will continue to use them.

[kryptqnick]

Floods are a problem in some parts of the world, and they are going to become a bigger problem in the future because of climate change. A paper seed is a bad idea because of it, but I think that even something fairly simple like having a piece of paper laminated can be enough to withstand water damage.
My problem with a steel sheet is its weight, so it's not only going to sink, but it's also not going to be a priority for gathering minimal things during the flood when getting out. A laminated piece of paper can get carried away very easily, which is why it should be put in some sort of bag along with other essential documents.

[philipma1957]

First off the plate needs to be in a water proof box.


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and that needs to be a bigger box.

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if the sheet is double boxed
and coded along  with a return address in the double box. then place in a flood resistant place

that will not be crushed you should be okay.

[aoluain]

Steel or Titanium?

If its Steel it needs to be Stainless Steel and there are different grades of SS available for different
applications but generally SS does not corrode like mild or carbon steel.

Any other steel wouldnt be recommended because of corrosion.

The same goes for Titanium, it doesnt corrode so a seed phrase stamped onto either of those two
metals will survive a flood, i.e Water!

Normally what has been suggested in other threads is that a "seed plate" should be attached to
something in your house or garage, something kind of inaccessible or hard to reach and out of
plain view obviously so if that is the case it wouldnt get swept away by the receding current.