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April 28, 2024, 07:36:40 AM
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A society without classes, private ownership, and where resources are shared by all.
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A society without classes, private ownership, and where resources are shared by all.
Communism has been well implemented by lots of countries both in the past ans even until the present. Personally I don’t think communism will solve the world problems in fact it might just worsen it.

Equal resources won’t be enough to others. The human nature is to be greedy thus will surely increase corruption and other illegal activites. The government power would be solely on those who are distributing the resources.









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April 28, 2024, 08:02:05 AM
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A society without classes, private ownership, and where resources are shared by all.

No. Communism is against the human nature. Humans can't be happy in a communist regime.

Capitalism creates many unhappy people too but it is better than making everybody unhappy. Even if communism becomes a reality, do you think current people with power will just vanish? They won't. Somebody somewhere will still own lots of things while the others have nothing. The only difference is that, in a communist regime there won't be a middle class where people have a chance to get rich.

With capitalism, at least people have a chance to get rich. The chances are very slim but it is there.

With communism, there aren't any exits. You'll only have what the gov gives you and somebody somewhere will decide who gets what.

The world has already tried communism, it doesn't work. We have capitalism because we don't have anything better.


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April 28, 2024, 08:13:44 AM
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Naturally the world is not an equal place, so I don't expect communism to be th economic conditions as people can never be equal. I often see people who want communism as lazy people who don't want to work for their own wealth but want every man's struggles to be shared equally amongst every one which is ridiculous.

The society is built on a pyramid of hierarchy or social strata, which we all most struggled to attained the means of production and distribution and whoever emerges to have this said capacity should be honoured. We most struggle what's life for you nobody should work harder to earn the same with the others so the higher you work the higher you should earn.

Capitalism is best for the world and that has proven itself over the years where countries with capitalist states grows more economical than others.

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April 28, 2024, 09:22:42 AM
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A society without classes, private ownership, and where resources are shared by all.

Will other people try it again? Most likely. Will it fail repeatedly like it has done in the past? Most definitely. Communism has one inherent flaw and that is it works against human nature. Capitalism is so successful because it allows for natural behavior, some people are ruthless (within the restrictions of the law) and will work much harder than other people, they should be fairly rewarded or you discourage this natural competitive edge. Communism has many weaknesses, one of which is that people don't want to rock the boat - so if there is someone in middle management they would rather push any problems away in order to blame someone else for any perceived failures which creates a web of weakness and brittle structure.

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April 28, 2024, 09:52:04 AM
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If you think communism is better than capitalism, then you need to fly to one of few countries below.

Today, the existing communist states in the world are in China, Cuba, Laos, Vietnam, and North Korea (DPRK).

The good thing in communism is you don't have to try hard to life and you can enjoy your life. If you didn't work, you still get paid, getting rich isn't the goal, but you have a lot free time. You could fuck every girl, relax, smoking, playing game etc depends on what you want to do in your life.
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April 28, 2024, 10:44:51 AM
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There are only a few communist countries in this present time, and this goes to show that communism is not a panacea to the world's problems, neither is it an attractive economic and political system. I don't think it is possible to achieve equality and for people to be paid based on their needs, overtime people would definitely want more and their needs would also keep on rising.

Capitalism creates competition and allows people to freely make attempts at getting rich and richer, it does not always favor the majority, but at least there is a chance for everyone, because it is a free market and that is why it is widely adopted.
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April 28, 2024, 10:51:30 AM
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Capitalism is best for the world and that has proven itself over the years where countries with capitalist states grows more economical than others.
Capitalism has its own advantages but let us not forget how badly can capitalism affect the world as well. It has made ways for different kinds of exploitation where only the rich benefits from.

Not to mention the huge impact it has on our environment. We should find the balance between utilizing capitalism and its consequences.

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April 28, 2024, 11:33:32 AM
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Capitalism is best for the world and that has proven itself over the years where countries with capitalist states grows more economical than others.
Capitalism has its own advantages but let us not forget how badly can capitalism affect the world as well. It has made ways for different kinds of exploitation where only the rich benefits from.

Not to mention the huge impact it has on our environment. We should find the balance between utilizing capitalism and its consequences.
perhaps the status quo rich people only exploit our weaknesses but it's still vital that the social strata remains the same but we should only urge them to threat the masses nicely and by that we can say it's fair enough.

There is no perfect thing in life not a way of life that is perfect so capitalism has its flaws too but at least it's around for more for the struggle class to level up and I believe it's a motivating opportunity for people to be active in every industry as meeting up with the next class is always a difficult task.

The impact of the status quo rich people is now corrupt but that doesn't still disrupt the initial purpose of capitalism.

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April 28, 2024, 11:38:35 AM
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A society without classes, private ownership, and where resources are shared by all.

So if you own a house and a car(and other material possessions), you will have to share them with everyone else? Really? Good luck with this.
Sharing all your possessions for free with random strangers, friends and family, even people, who hate you? Is that what you mean by "no private ownership and resources shared by all"?  Grin I'm sure that this will work out without any problems. What could possibly go wrong? Grin
The human society has classes and social stratification since the beginning of the human civilization. Communism cannot change this.
Resources are limited and sharing them for free would lead to a dramatic drop in efficiency and productivity, which would lead to mass poverty, so everyone will become equally poor(except the privileged class, that will govern a communist society).

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April 28, 2024, 03:38:21 PM
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Communism is good in theory, but in practice it's something that just won't work simply because humans are greedy and greediness leads to conflict. Also, the fact that the government owns your property and is considered as 'shared' towards other people doesn't sit well with me. What if you're contributing 'more' to the society but you're being paid equal to those who aren't doing anything? Wouldn't you want to get paid more and achieve more given your output? Also, if everyone is equal in such a society, why do we need to have 'leaders' who obviously are getting most of the benefits in such a social structure?

Utopia is fine, but in most cases it leads to destruction because that's not something that could and should work in a long time.
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April 28, 2024, 03:53:42 PM
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Communism is good in theory, but in practice it's something that just won't work simply because humans are greedy and greediness leads to conflict. Also, the fact that the government owns your property and is considered as 'shared' towards other people doesn't sit well with me. What if you're contributing 'more' to the society but you're being paid equal to those who aren't doing anything? Wouldn't you want to get paid more and achieve more given your output? Also, if everyone is equal in such a society, why do we need to have 'leaders' who obviously are getting most of the benefits in such a social structure?

Utopia is fine, but in most cases it leads to destruction because that's not something that could and should work in a long time.

Greed is not the only reason why we have capitalism.

We are simply not equals.

“Person A” is a lazy dumb fuck. The only thing he does is playing video games, eating and sleeping.
“Person B” is smart and hardworking. He is capable of building stuff.

Communism steals from “Person B” and gives it to “Person A”. When “B” experiences it, he stops being productive because he realizes he is not getting paid enough for his efforts. Then he also becomes like “A” waiting for the free stuff.

Basically communism uses “B” as a slave to keep “A” alive. The long term outcome is to equalize everyone on being retarded.


That’s the problem.

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April 28, 2024, 04:11:08 PM
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Communism is good in theory, but in practice it's something that just won't work simply because humans are greedy and greediness leads to conflict.

Before greed, there is something else, laziness.
Why should I do anything extra when I'm getting paid the same, you work by the quota no matter how productive you are an you get paid the same.
This aspect destroyed out country and much of Eastern Europe in the '70-'90!
We were building useless stuff and we were trading useless stuff for more useless stuff till we had on paper a shiton of things but we were all dirt poor.

Capitalism has its own advantages but let us not forget how badly can capitalism affect the world as well.

Communism has killed in one century more people than any other system in the human history, even religion pales in comparison to what communism has done.

Not to mention the huge impact it has on our environment.

You have no idea how resource exploitation was done in communism, we destroyed rivers, mountains, lakes and there was no such thing as an environmental concern.
We still have mountains of trash and industrial by-products from the 80's that are still not fully neutralized.
I grew used to seeing the sky pink and purple from the steel furnaces and in the old city dust after dust from the cement factory, do you think there was anyone protesting?
We were burning the cheapest high-sulfur mazut to heat the city, everywhere it was smelling like rotten eggs from that when the heating season started.


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April 28, 2024, 04:27:26 PM
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A society without classes, private ownership, and where resources are shared by all.

Human nature prefers competition.
Humanity comes with innovations and evolves out of necessity and competition, things that in theory the communism doesn't bring.


Even more, almost half of my life was under communism and I can tell you that sharing and equality were huge lies: sharing meant nobody had almost anything (even food was scarce) and equality meant that the higher ranks of the party were living in luxury while the commoners were the ones working and getting no benefit at all on their work. The real result of communism was that people got used with laziness and theft.

So no. Communism is a bad idea and it's not something that could work with humans.

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April 28, 2024, 05:15:11 PM
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If you think communism is better than capitalism, then you need to fly to one of few countries below.

Today, the existing communist states in the world are in China, Cuba, Laos, Vietnam, and North Korea (DPRK).
Nations like China and Vietnam are far better than some capitalist countries. It will be better to fly to these two nations than to any highly corrupt capitalist nation. Some communist nations treat the poor better than capitalist nations.

Capitalism creates competition and allows people to freely make attempts at getting rich and richer, it does not always favor the majority, but at least there is a chance for everyone, because it is a free market and that is why it is widely adopted.
The poor will crave for communist government because they assume that it will bring an end to poverty. While the rich will always want a capitalist system because it gives greater chances to get richer. However, communism doesn't promote equality because the ruling class, their relatives, and allies have a better opportunity to get richer than other commoners. A free market is better because even if it doesn't give equal access to resources, at least people still have opportunities to come out of the poverty line.

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April 28, 2024, 05:43:53 PM
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If you think communism is better than capitalism, then you need to fly to one of few countries below.

Today, the existing communist states in the world are in China, Cuba, Laos, Vietnam, and North Korea (DPRK).
Nations like China and Vietnam are far better than some capitalist countries. It will be better to fly to these two nations than to any highly corrupt capitalist nation. Some communist nations treat the poor better than capitalist nations.

Capitalism creates competition and allows people to freely make attempts at getting rich and richer, it does not always favor the majority, but at least there is a chance for everyone, because it is a free market and that is why it is widely adopted.
The poor will crave for communist government because they assume that it will bring an end to poverty. While the rich will always want a capitalist system because it gives greater chances to get richer. However, communism doesn't promote equality because the ruling class, their relatives, and allies have a better opportunity to get richer than other commoners. A free market is better because even if it doesn't give equal access to resources, at least people still have opportunities to come out of the poverty line.

China i think achieved it because they implemented one country two systems. if there are breakaway regions like Hong Kong, they still claim the island to be part of China but with a different government. and it worked for them. Taiwan I think will just be another Hongkong 2.0

but Capitalism and Socialism haven't proven even up to this day, none of them worked well. just look at those big democratic countries, they are still struggling.
but one thing is for sure. the longer a leader stays in position, the higher its chances of fulfilling its whole projects, unlike those countries that do elections every 4-6 years. the president is just useless.









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April 28, 2024, 06:33:04 PM
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A society without classes, private ownership, and where resources are shared by all.
In my opinion, the system envisioned by the community is just a utopia, the best state system is democracy, no one has absolute power and anyone can become a leader, but the failure of democracy is that often people who are incompetent in leading become leaders

China, North Korea and Russia are examples of countries that implement a communist system. Indeed, we see that their countries are quite strong, but the people do not find freedom, especially in financial matters

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What if you're contributing 'more' to the society but you're being paid equal to those who aren't doing anything?

Obviously there is a 'reward' but its not stated as of so. The reward would be fame and obviously higher position compared to the average joe. I dont think an entire country could  run a 100% communist country because that would means there will be only 1 leader and the rest would be equal but in fact most of the communist country have various job in goverment that is obviously have higher rank then the average joe

Utopia is fine, but in most cases it leads to destruction because that's not something that could and should work in a long time.

I got a crazy idea when I read this, communism might run pretty well in a small group of people that totally have lost their desire. Bunch of woosie or whatsoever that wont really contribute much either way

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A society without classes, private ownership, and where resources are shared by all.

Hasn't that already been realized, just not yet realized in every country? The reason is, several countries oppose this ideology. Especially for pro-American countries, it is unlikely that these countries will accept communist ideology. The cold war between America and the Soviet Union or what is now Russia, which began at the end of WWII, is still very much felt today. Initially, communist ideology was widely accepted in various countries, especially in the ASIA region, but because the United States continued to try to crush every communist movement throughout the world, its influence on other countries was reduced. The US succeeded in preventing the wider spread of communism ideology.

As a system, the ideology of communism is seen as a solution to economic inequality and social problems that occur. where ownership of the resource is collective or shared. However, is the ideology of communism the answer to every existing economic difficulty? While communism may offer some potential solutions to economic difficulties, it also has challenges and risks that need to be considered.

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April 28, 2024, 07:20:28 PM
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A society without classes, private ownership, and where resources are shared by all.

You can't have society without classes, because there will always be some kind of ruling class, law enforcement class, etc. Someone will always have more power than others.

Well, the socialist regimes around the globe managed to abolish private ownership of so-called means of production at least on medium and large scale, and the results of that experiment are pretty clear - the state is not as efficient at managing nation's resources as the free market,
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