Does it mean the poor can't breath anymore?

[Yaunfitda]

Why so aggressive though? grow some thick skin, Maybe you just misunderstood what others are saying to you. They could have been giving you constructive criticism but you take it personally. So if I'm in your case, I would just go and read and learn the ins and outs of this community. I said community because this is what this forum is, everyone is free to ask and be answered, freedom of speech and obviously you will have to understand and adjust yourself. There is no perfect community wherein everyone will be nice to every beginner. So good luck to you!!

[albon]

There are thousands of members here, so if a few high-ranking members are not good at presenting their advice and experiences politely and well, you can completely ignore them. Many other members correct mistakes without arrogance and without insulting or attacking beginner members and advise them to adhere to the forum's rules until the forum becomes more disciplined. There is no benefit for anyone here in attacking any new member to prevent them from breathing or learning, expressing their opinions, or imposing advice on them. Everyone is welcome in Bitcointalk, and it is the responsibility of any member, regardless of rank, to consider what's in the best interest of this community and present it with love for the benefit of all.

Indeed, what's wrong with someone politely informing you that your post doesn't belong here if you've posted it in the wrong section? This will prevent your post from reaching the interested audience, and the low quality of contributions may also hinder understanding.

[Cantsay]

So, Yes they are new people I know they are and (you that is reading this post were once a newbie) and as then you didn't know it all right? Even if one happens to go check your post history there would be lot lapse and mistake on your profile which would contain lot of shit-post and you started from a step before what so called rank you have achieved currently that is ringing your f**king brain as  if you are superior to everyone. My dear you gat f**k down your anus and give people space to understand forum gradually with the way they think is best for them, correct people but no attack if you are attacking then what true messages are you passing after knowing the true vision bitcoin and it's representatives.

Funny how you preach love and still went ahead to use this kind of words in your posts.

Although, I support your post about correcting newbies constructively without having to make them feel bad (I know I might have don’t that one way or the other) - But the issue with the newbies is the fact that they don’t want to read, sometimes the answer they are looking for is staring right at them but instead of reading they’ll still want to create their own personal thread. Like I said, I support constructive criticism and I’ve been working towards it and I’ve improved quite a bit since I started the forum.

[hatshepsut93]

This forum has rules, everyone has to follow them regardless of their rank, being new and not knowing the rules is not a valid excuse, just like in real life you can't avoid the law by saying that you didn't know about it.
If these rules weren't enforced, this forum would be a complete mess and all the good posters would move on to other platforms.

No one has any responsibility to guide newbies, this forum is not a charitable school, it's a place for discussing Bitcoin, you are expected to be knowledgeable to some degree and if you are asking some questions, they should be non-trivial.

[SmartGold01]

This forum has rules, everyone has to follow them regardless of their rank, being new and not knowing the rules is not a valid excuse, just like in real life you can't avoid the law by saying that you didn't know about it.
If these rules weren't enforced, this forum would be a complete mess and all the good posters would move on to other platforms.

No one has any responsibility to guide newbies, this forum is not a charitable school, it's a place for discussing Bitcoin, you are expected to be knowledgeable to some degree and if you are asking some questions, they should be non-trivial.

You are right though at some point during my earlier stages I was almost giving up due how things were but I gat to dive into it more better than the way I was before, but today I don't think there is anything I can't control my feelings on especially when it comes to people attacking me. There was sometimes where I will create a topic at the ending i will say I didn't create this topic for people to start digging into my account to come attack me. But today now I am used to everything and I can cope with the situation here provided that I don't get distracted by anything. So I will encourage op to settle down and understand the forum so he or she can be able to correct people as well if he feels.

[Miles2006]

Too rude mate, your post really made me laugh hard and I'm surprised how you wrote those abusive words regardless the information you're passing out. I don't know what's wrong but it seems most people don't like it when people use abusive words on them and it seems op is one of them while most people will feel ashamed but what I will always tell myself and I think op should do same, this is a forum for crying out loud, if anyone insult you during the process you'll just have to ignore cause I believe throwing out insulting words is not even a new thing. If anyone say you're dumb or what ever you know fully well you're not so what's the pain all about, you just have to learn in order to avoid such mistake. Secondly I guess you're mistaking cause abusive words here are not just for newbies cause even within a cycle members intend to use abusive words, this forum has been for long and before you created your account users who came before me and you use such word so I don't think this will change sooner or later

[Cryptomultiplier]

This forum has rules, everyone has to follow them regardless of their rank, being new and not knowing the rules is not a valid excuse, just like in real life you can't avoid the law by saying that you didn't know about it.
If these rules weren't enforced, this forum would be a complete mess and all the good posters would move on to other platforms.

No one has any responsibility to guide newbies, this forum is not a charitable school, it's a place for discussing Bitcoin, you are expected to be knowledgeable to some degree and if you are asking some questions, they should be non-trivial.

You are right though at some point during my earlier stages I was almost giving up due how things were but I gat to dive into it more better than the way I was before, but today I don't think there is anything I can't control my feelings on especially when it comes to people attacking me. There was sometimes where I will create a topic at the ending i will say I didn't create this topic for people to start digging into my account to come attack me. But today now I am used to everything and I can cope with the situation here provided that I don't get distracted by anything. So I will encourage op to settle down and understand the forum so he or she can be able to correct people as well if he feels.

It's almost as if the goal of joining this forum is to be heard or feel good about belonging to a Bitcoin community. Well, like any normal community, a newbie or JJC, would have to endure several tantrums and insults and still be expected to show up when necessary.

The best part about learning and being able to correct others is that one has been able to tolerate and pick sense from every word or reply that once made no sense and has grown in knowledge and insight, which is clearly evident in the manner of writing, comments and presenting of essays.

[SatoPrincess]

I don’t see how the topic title relates to how newbies are treated by older forum members. Are you referring to newbies as poor? That’s condescending to newbies IMO. It’s funny how OP went from being all goody goody to using profane language. I think someone hurt OP feelings recently hence the post. You’re in a forum, expect all kinds of people to respond to your posts, not everyone will agree with your opinion. Grow a thick skin, nobody cares about your feelings.

[Promocodeudo]

People here don't have problem with new people that are asking genuine newbie questions (on the contrary) but are sick of fake newbies that make majority of those kind of merit fishing threads, hence you can sometime see them being more hostile.

Yes boss, I love this simple clarification you gave to the op, forum is a place of learning and contribution too, though different people have their motives of being here, I must say that it is easy to identify merit fisher, forum is not for merit fishing, the merit comes naturally and thats when one has made a contribution that attracts the attentions of readers  and forum active members respectively, I want to make the op to understand that lashing, criticism or whatever we may tag it, is part of the forum, every newbie should be open to learn from criticism because I believe that any criticism faced by a newbie here is for his or her own benefit, criticism should be seen as part of correction by newbies, if your are been criticized as a newbie, what you should be doing is to improve on those areas and make sure that those lapses don't repeat itself again, I was criticized when I was coming up and I believe others had the same experience too, I learnt through the process and here I am today, though mistake is inevitable but admitting the mistake itself and making amendments triggers growth.

[lovesmayfamilis]

OP, You can actually pass your message without those foul words, because how are you different from the people you are complaining about, "he who comes to equity must come with clean hands" they say.

It seems that he simply does not understand that such language is acceptable only in his village.
OP, who offended you or attacked you? I see the last few merits you received. Is it not enough? But based on your manner of communication, I simply don’t want to give merit since you are ready to attack everyone who doesn’t agree with your opinion. And you know, as long as you have such an embittered attitude towards people who want to correct you, you will receive the same attitude; at best, you will be added to the ignore list.

[Cryptoprincess101]

OP at first I use to have same reasoning as you do but sorry if I sound like a kind of underrating you but your subject doesn't match with the contents of this post because asking if the poor can't breathe anymore doesn't make any sense to me reason being that some newbies here are even wealthier than some legendaries here but because some of them wants to make investments and wants to acquire knowledge from forum members here made them to register and start as a newbie but they are not broke or let me put it in a clear term, not everyone came to this forum for money because if you check some profiles they haven't even applied for a signature campaigns here even when their accounts are due to earn from signature campaigns that's to show that some users here are obviously doing great outside the forum.

Now let me not digress from the contents of your topic, the best way of learning is to face criticism, hateful words, and even called a shitposter or a low quality poster because as a beginner, those words will guide you to learn more about the forum and to also know when you are not doing things rightly and helps you to understand and make more contributive posts that is if you are being contributive but yet receiving degrading words from high ranked members here. See those who criticizes you are part of your success because their criticisms is what will make you to know that you are not doing it right.

[Ojima-ojo]

I will have to report any of your post to be deleted.
 

Do you think forum moderator don't check reports before treating them?


Hey you have to wake up man and stop being aggressive and disrespectful, this is a forum for God sake and not some place where you want everyone to behave the way you want them beside the forum have a rule and once you are obeying the rules no forum member will attack you, I am sure if truly you are a newbie as time goes on you will understand how forum members react to post's.


Lastly my advice to you is to develop a thick skin to be able to welcome objections to your opinion and try to be friendly and polite to other forum members, this is a discussion forum where you don't know the other users so respect others and you will be respected.

[yazher]

Honestly, these guys here are brutal but they're just trying to help, it's kinda reverse psychology where they want you to learn by showing you how weak you are and it depends on a person who will respond with those honest answers. I was a newbie too and I used the forum while the merit system was fresh I couldn't seem to follow the rules but later on, I caught up and managed to understand everything I needed to keep up the good conversations with the users and after that, I never expected to reach this lever and earned those merits for the rest of the years just engaging on conversations and also post some helpful threads in our local sections.

[Stablexcoin]

OP should have just come out clear instead of beating around the bush before he could say what was in his mind.

You think this is a place to pour out your family anger on, I know what's on your mind; Perhaps you observed that members of the forum tend to attack the newbies because they feel they are possibly alts account. If so you thought wrong, if any newbie makes a mistake in the forum it's normal to guide or point out that mistake so that such a person won't repeat the same thing next time. Just like any form of discussion that is what the forum is designed for. There can be argument, suggestions, opinions and more importantly solutions.

[acroman08]

Correct without hate words, learn without getting offense and speak with love. By so doing everyone would be welcomed to the community!
Thank you all.

no offence but there are times that newbies need to be told in harsh ways. As Rikafip has mentioned, members have no issues with newbies asking genuine questions(and forum members would be happy to answer their questions) but are sick of fake newbies(who are most likely alts) who are looking to fish some merits. I am sure if you have spent enough time and stay active in the forum long enough you'll start to notice them.

[moneystery]

don't lead opinions by saying that the majority of people on this forum don't welcome newbies, you know everyone here has been a newbie before, so the members on this forum also respect newcomers. but the problem is, in recent times a lot of newbies have come and said things that are actually quite stupid, some have even deliberately created fake stories to get attention and build up their accounts.

not to mention that they use messy punctuation and irregular english, at least these two things need to be paid attention to by these newbies because how can the members here understand what they are saying when they don't write correctly. at least correct their writing first, then they can start joining this forum.

[Abbatty]

Even offspring born of the same parents can’t be of the same character, so you won’t expect everybody in a public forum like this to be of the same character. Genuinely it is advisable to be nice to newbies because everyone was once a newbie. But also as a newbie you can’t just come to a forum and start engaging in activities without reading the guidelines that govern such forum, so newbies enable to make research, ask questions, have mentor you talk to about issues you finding difficult.

Being new in a place not just forum but even environment comes with a lot of difficulties, challenges and lot more. Then it left for you to adapt and make use of your skills so you can benefit from such forum or environment. Please and please if you are a high Ranking member in the forum try to encourage the newbies by using the right words and right correction method so it will encourage them to be active in the forum and could share their skills. Using the wrong words on them will only discourage them and could even give them wrong image about bitcointalk as a whole.

[Hamza2424]

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Yes, buddy, you made some good points in this post we all were once in the newbie phase and there is no doubt we all made little mistakes and these mistakes groom our knowledge so that we can learn from the mistakes we have in the past. If one keeps doing those mistakes that he/she already had done in the past then there will be no difference between the current time and the time he/she used to make shit posts.

So in my opinion one should learn from his/her mistakes and there is no doubt that one can ask any kind of newbie question here on this form and his newbie questions are welcomed by other members to guide him. But if one is trying/acting like a newbie and asking shit questions then there is no doubt he/she will be trolled by the senior members as they are masters of these things like who is a newbie and who is acting like a newbie.

[The Cryptovator]

The forum's senior members are friendly enough to help newbies. But if you make stupid spam, sometimes a few members will attack, but it does happen very rarely. We don't have a business with newbies and no reason to attack them. It's not necessary to make quality posts by newbies. But posts like "send me some merits" are hated by other users. You have to be legit users of the forum, not just bounty spammers. I don't support newbie attacks anyway. But just don't be stupid. Try to learn from this and contribute.

[Orpichukwu]

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From your write-up, I can see you are speaking out of anger. Someone might have attacked you in a way that you don't like, or something triggered that. Judging from your words, I bet when you have the opportunity to be in the position of some of the members you are calling out, you might even do much worse than them because you aren't calm in your words. They don't sound like someone who is trying to pass a message to others. It's as if you are ready to fight back against anyone who is attacking you if you are given the opportunity.