Artificial Intelligence on the Forum

[seoincorporation]

I feel like we need clear rules about Artificial Intelligence on the forum.

What does the forum staff think about AI-generated posts?
Should we report those posts to moderators?
Should AI text be quoted?
Should users make the AI-Busters (Just like we have the Spam-Busters)?
Can users get nuked if they only post AI-generated content?

I know there are some other topics related to AI like this one https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5445074.60 but i don't see any intervention from the staff on that thread, that's why i place this questions to know how should we proceed about this topic as users.

[Bulltard]

I feel like we need clear rules about Artificial Intelligence on the forum.

What does the forum staff think about AI-generated posts?
Should we report those posts to moderators?
Should AI text be quoted?
Should users make the AI-Busters (Just like we have the Spam-Busters)?
Can users get nuked if they only post AI-generated content?

I know there are some other topics related to AI like this one https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5445074.60 but i don't see any intervention from the staff on that thread, that's why i place this questions to know how we should proceed about this topic as users.

it's crazy how many posts here are made with chatgpt. most of those posts are absurd, make zero sense

[Davidvictorson]

My thoughts on this are simple. If a user is assisted in making a post through artificial intelligence, instead of the user to pass it on as knowledge coming from themselves they should do the right thing and simply put at the footnote or references, source as artificial intelligence. Doing this without adding a source is tantamount to plagiarism. However if it is overdone by a user then the attention of the user needs to be called to it and they should be cautioned. We want to see original thoughts, ideas and write up not ai generated.

[Solosanz]

What does the forum staff think about AI-generated posts?

Take a look with this one.

If an AI is able to consistently create content that doesn't break any of the forum's rules (good quality, on-topic, not just a padded word salad, no plagiarism, etc, etc), I, for one, welcome our new machine overlords. Otherwise, content that violates the rules, AI or human produced, can already be dealt with with our current rules and policies in mind.

Should we report those posts to moderators?

Yes AI Spam Report Reference Thread

Should AI text be quoted?

Yes, and better to write if the text was created by AI.

Should users make the AI-Busters (Just like we have the Spam-Busters)?

Do you mean a gang? users who caught AI posters seems fall to Spam-busters too.

Can users get nuked if they only post AI-generated content?

I don't really know about it, but if someone can caught the AI generated content plagiarized other contents, it would fall to plagiarism and the users can be nuked or banned.

[AbuBhakar]

My thoughts on this are simple. If a user is assisted in making a post through artificial intelligence, instead of the user to pass it on as knowledge coming from themselves they should do the right thing and simply put at the footnote or references, source as artificial intelligence. Doing this without adding a source is tantamount to plagiarism. However if it is overdone by a user then the attention of the user needs to be called to it and they should be cautioned. We want to see original thoughts, ideas and write up not ai generated.

Is grammarly and other tools to improve post quality is part of this AI tools? I’m using this AI tools sometimes when I’m on a device with this extension which I use to correct my grammar and improve my post. Sometimes it change my sentence construction to a more decent format.

I’m confused whether this tool is considered as AI or not but I'm sure that it’s different approach compared to chatgpt AI because my thoughts is the basis of the improved post.

[Davidvictorson]

Is grammarly and other tools to improve post quality is part of this AI tools? I’m using this AI tools sometimes when I’m on a device with this extension which I use to correct my grammar and improve my post. Sometimes it change my sentence construction to a more decent format.

I’m confused whether this tool is considered as AI or not but I'm sure that it’s different approach compared to chatgpt AI because my thoughts is the basis of the improved post.

I do not know how to answer this question but I would say after you have used grammarly to help your sentence construction, run your text through a AI checker software available on the internet, if they turn out to signal that it is AI written, I would advise that you should simply indicate at the end of the text that grammarly was used in helping your sentence construction. Because if any other user runs your texts via the AI checker and it turns out to be 100% AI, how do you explain to them that it was grammarly that you use for sentence construction and not chat GPT?

[Maus0728]

AI will make spamming much easier because users that will try to spam the forum can just make multiple accounts and then use AI to create topics and posts that clearly doesn't have any thought in it or organic idea in there which makes it easier to reproduce with just a simple prompt, they'd probably be able to do it. So rather than dealing with that possibility because they want to serve people equally and give them the freedom that they want to have, outright prohibition is the route that they've chosen which is understandable because that's the way that would be better for more people, the quality of the posts aren't even going to be affected or would be damaged because there's a restriction on AI generated posts.

The other thing that makes AI bad for this forum is that it would be an unfair advantage to those that knows how to post without the assistance of an AI.

[logfiles]

I feel like we need clear rules about Artificial Intelligence on the forum.

What does the forum staff think about AI-generated posts?

I think I have made a couple of reports and nothing has been done. To me, AI generated posts should be treated just like plagiarism.

Should we report those posts to moderators?

There is even a thread dedicated to reporting the AI spammers. The problem is, mods don't act on the reports there by discouraging the reporters a little.

Should AI text be quoted?

Quoting should be fine if the source is cited

Should users make the AI-Busters (Just like we have the Spam-Busters)?

Here we go --- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5456516.0

[Nwada001]

Take a look with this one.

If an AI is able to consistently create content that doesn't break any of the forum's rules (good quality, on-topic, not just a padded word salad, no plagiarism, etc, etc), I, for one, welcome our new machine overlords. Otherwise, content that violates the rules, AI or human produced, can already be dealt with with our current rules and policies in mind.

When those rules were made, AI has not been as popular as it is right now, and this is even the first time I've come across this comment or rule by one of the forum administrators.
 
With the rate at which AI is being used to generate a post, it shouldn't be treated differently from plagiarism. Plagiarism is when someone presents content that belongs to someone else as their own, claiming the whole idea and the rest of it. We all consider that to be plagiarism.
 
AI-generated posts also fall under that category because they are content written by none other than humans, and if such content should be posted or shared, honour should be given to the original source where the information was gotten from.

[Bulltard]

My thoughts on this are simple. If a user is assisted in making a post through artificial intelligence, instead of the user to pass it on as knowledge coming from themselves they should do the right thing and simply put at the footnote or references, source as artificial intelligence. Doing this without adding a source is tantamount to plagiarism. However if it is overdone by a user then the attention of the user needs to be called to it and they should be cautioned. We want to see original thoughts, ideas and write up not ai generated.

i'm pretty sure you used either chatgpt or google translate to write that post, correct?

[stompix]

I feel like we need clear rules about Artificial Intelligence on the forum.

The first thing we should stop calling it Artificial Intelligence and more like Artificial Shitposting, cause in most of those cases there is nothing intelligent in it, just the same shitpost you would get for plagiarizing an article or using a word spinner on the previous right answer.
In my opinion, anyone caught doing such a thing should get a 7 days ban and then a full ban if caught doing it again, this is to give him time to defend himself in case of a mistake in detection, but overall we should discourage this as much as possible, it's bad for the forum it's bad for discussions, there is simply no positive thing coming out of allowing it.

[Bulltard]

I feel like we need clear rules about Artificial Intelligence on the forum.

The first thing we should stop calling it Artificial Intelligence and more like Artificial Shitposting, cause in most of those cases there is nothing intelligent in it, just the same shitpost you would get for plagiarizing an article or using a word spinner on the previous right answer.
In my opinion, anyone caught doing such a thing should get a 7 days ban and then a full ban if caught doing it again, this is to give him time to defend himself in case of a mistake in detection, but overall we should discourage this as much as possible, it's bad for the forum it's bad for discussions, there is simply no positive thing coming out of allowing it.

you're gonna have to ban a looot of people

[Davidvictorson]

My thoughts on this are simple. If a user is assisted in making a post through artificial intelligence, instead of the user to pass it on as knowledge coming from themselves they should do the right thing and simply put at the footnote or references, source as artificial intelligence. Doing this without adding a source is tantamount to plagiarism. However if it is overdone by a user then the attention of the user needs to be called to it and they should be cautioned. We want to see original thoughts, ideas and write up not ai generated.

i'm pretty sure you used either chatgpt or google translate to write that post, correct?

Nope.

Why should I?

[uchegod-21]

I feel like we need clear rules about Artificial Intelligence on the forum.

The first thing we should stop calling it Artificial Intelligence and more like Artificial Shitposting, cause in most of those cases there is nothing intelligent in it, just the same shitpost you would get for plagiarizing an article or using a word spinner on the previous right answer.
In my opinion, anyone caught doing such a thing should get a 7 days ban and then a full ban if caught doing it again, this is to give him time to defend himself in case of a mistake in detection, but overall we should discourage this as much as possible, it's bad for the forum it's bad for discussions, there is simply no positive thing coming out of allowing it.

I understand that even if a post is well formatted and grammatically too correct as in the case of chatgpt, but if it doesn't fit in a place it is used, it should be called a spam. This is a discussion forum, and most of the discussions here are emotionally attached and in most cases these AI generated texts eliminate the emotions.

It is time for theymos to do something. I believe he is reluctant to do so because he believes there's no 100% sure tool for detecting AI. You can be wrongly accused and banned. So, as time unfolds there'll clear rules about AI posting. I actually do not here to be filled with randomly generated texts in the future.

[Titanic Crypto Holdings]

Maybe we should ask the expert   

Should a bitcoin forum allow AI posting?


ChatGPT

Allowing AI posting on a Bitcoin forum can have both benefits and drawbacks. Here are some considerations:

Benefits:

    24/7 Availability: AI can provide responses and engage in discussions at any time, ensuring continuous activity on the forum.
    Instantaneous Responses: AI can quickly answer common questions or provide information without the need for human intervention, improving user experience.
    Scalability: AI can handle a large volume of inquiries simultaneously, allowing the forum to scale efficiently as the user base grows.
    Diverse Perspectives: AI can offer different perspectives and insights based on the data it's trained on, enriching discussions.

Drawbacks:

    Quality Control: AI may produce low-quality or irrelevant responses, leading to misinformation or confusion among users.
    Lack of Emotional Intelligence: AI may struggle to understand the nuances of human communication, leading to misunderstandings or inappropriate responses.
    Ethical Concerns: AI posting raises ethical questions regarding transparency, accountability, and potential manipulation of discussions.
    Security Risks: AI could be exploited by malicious actors to spread misinformation, promote scams, or engage in other nefarious activities.

Ultimately, the decision to allow AI posting on a Bitcoin forum should consider these factors, as well as the specific goals and values of the community. Implementing proper safeguards, such as moderation and transparency measures, can help mitigate potential risks while harnessing the benefits of AI technology.

[Stalker22]

Maybe we should ask the expert   
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That "expert" is a bit biased, dont you think?

[yahoo62278]

Maybe we should ask the expert   
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That "expert" is a bit biased, dont you think?

LMAO that really made me chuckle.

I'm not sure if we will be able to combat AI completely, and I also think it will be a part of our lives no matter if we want it or not.

[tread93]

AI will make spamming much easier because users that will try to spam the forum can just make multiple accounts and then use AI to create topics and posts that clearly doesn't have any thought in it or organic idea in there which makes it easier to reproduce with just a simple prompt, they'd probably be able to do it. So rather than dealing with that possibility because they want to serve people equally and give them the freedom that they want to have, outright prohibition is the route that they've chosen which is understandable because that's the way that would be better for more people, the quality of the posts aren't even going to be affected or would be damaged because there's a restriction on AI generated posts.

The other thing that makes AI bad for this forum is that it would be an unfair advantage to those that knows how to post without the assistance of an AI.

Its really going to be difficult to weed out the users who use AI and the users who don't. I wish there was some way to trace it all the way back to the text like some sort of source code embedded into the text that would tell you who the verified maker of that text was. This would make your digital signature have a lot more weight in places like this, I can see some sort of digital signature standard becoming popular in the future to prove that AI was not used in the writing or something of that sort. For use in the forum is stickily banned and anyone who partakes in this type of behavior without properly sourcing will be shown very little grace, if any.

[LoyceV]

If an AI is able to consistently create content that doesn't break any of the forum's rules (good quality, on-topic, not just a padded word salad, no plagiarism, etc, etc)~

"AI" is plagiarism by definition. The only difference with "manuAl" (see what I did there?) plagiarism is that chatbots take many more inputs and uses bits and pieces of all of them. The only good thing is that if enough people spam using AI, it can't train itself anymore because it's input will be generated by AI already.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Is grammarly and other tools to improve post quality is part of this AI tools? I’m using this AI tools sometimes when I’m on a device with this extension which I use to correct my grammar and improve my post. Sometimes it change my sentence construction to a more decent format.

I’m confused whether this tool is considered as AI or not but I'm sure that it’s different approach compared to chatgpt AI because my thoughts is the basis of the improved post.

I do not know how to answer this question but I would say after you have used grammarly to help your sentence construction, run your text through a AI checker software available on the internet, if they turn out to signal that it is AI written, I would advise that you should simply indicate at the end of the text that grammarly was used in helping your sentence construction. Because if any other user runs your texts via the AI checker and it turns out to be 100% AI, how do you explain to them that it was grammarly that you use for sentence construction and not chat GPT?

Anyone who often uses several tools to check AI texts can already visually predict whether a post was created using GPT chat or not. I'm not talking about guaranteed detection, but such posts most often attract the eye and beg for verification. If you're talking about grammar and spell-checking tools, then your text is unlikely to be detectable as AI-written text. I see a lot of examples, and those posts that people write on their own will never (or in rare cases) be identified as AI. Therefore, there is no need for clarification.

There is the topic, and there are quite a lot of examples of how people catch spammers in GPT chat. Moderators also use their own verification methods; otherwise, how can we think that some reports are good and some remain unprocessed?

But those cases when we mark spammers as “accounts using AI” have virtually no effect on the spammers. Having received the tag, they continue to write in AI texts.

It really is like fighting windmills.