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If a gambling casino is not being up to the required standard, gamblers will not find it interesting to use for their preferred gambling platform, we are more centered on seeing that each gambling platform we make use of are having the required service satisfaction on gamblers, gamblers seems to see a casino as being the worst each time they were unable to make withdrawal or perform any task on their site.
I know that we as gamblers must know which casino to deal with because our deposits may not be taken out once we mistakenly deposit in scam casino that will keep hold our funds . but what this thread asks is about worst casino experience ? though i once experienced delay in withdrawal but its resolved just in a day means this is not about being worst , this means I am not sharing any one as i never experienced even one case of being worst.
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Porfirii
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May 18, 2024, 09:08:56 AM |
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In my particular case, it was not a casino but an old small exchange I can't remember its name. It had a feature which allowed you to play double or nothing, but suspiciously the outcome was always "nothing". All the profits made by trading there went down the drain because of that feature, which I can't say for sure that it was rigged, but I wouldn't be surprised.
Anyway, it was several years ago when this kind of services accepting cryptos was scarce and not very well known. And I was a newbie, so I didn't carry out a proper research. I think that today this is much rarer to happen, although we continue to see similar cases on the forum in which newbies lose their money to little known companies of alleged bad intentions.
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May 18, 2024, 10:19:56 AM |
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Pnxbet is the worst. There’s no direct way to deposit money and you will need an agent to purchase codes just to deposit money. KYC is much harder to complete since they require financial records my deposit and worst is they have a very slow customer support to answer question.
I just saw this casino on popular streamer which they are partnered. I’m not aware of that they are connected to 1xbit when I deposit since I’m confident that they are trusted due to streamer partnerships.
Worst experience so far.
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I once had a bad experience with 3 gambling apps under Moneypot and it turned out that the scammer had more than 7 games registered with Moneypot at that time. Moneypot reputation was still good, so I still believed that the owner of the app would not dare to lie. The scammer promises a bonus after reaching a certain wager amount, also a zero house edge lol. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1534415.0https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1540402.0
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May 18, 2024, 12:32:09 PM |
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If a gambling casino is not being up to the required standard, gamblers will not find it interesting to use for their preferred gambling platform, we are more centered on seeing that each gambling platform we make use of are having the required service satisfaction on gamblers, gamblers seems to see a casino as being the worst each time they were unable to make withdrawal or perform any task on their site.
I know that we as gamblers must know which casino to deal with because our deposits may not be taken out once we mistakenly deposit in scam casino that will keep hold our funds . but what this thread asks is about worst casino experience ? though i once experienced delay in withdrawal but its resolved just in a day means this is not about being worst , this means I am not sharing any one as i never experienced even one case of being worst. There are a lot of casino sites in this forum and they are discussed a lot so it is very easy for us who use this forum to choose a good casino site. I always do a lot of research on casino sites before I use them because gambling is an interesting thing that people get involved in very quickly. And because of this, scanners take advantage of this and try to scam gamblers. Because of this, before choosing a casino site you should do your research which I do. And I always choose the site from the casino sites promoted in this forum. So I haven't had a worst online casino playing experience so far
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May 18, 2024, 01:29:28 PM |
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What are the most common casinos to play in crypto gambling? bcgames, livecasino, duelbits, rollbit, stakes, and betcoin are just some of them. This is where I move around when thinking about playing gambling. As long as I have time to gamble, I will really gamble.
But none of the ones I have mentioned I have experienced a bad gambling game here in the crypto space. Because I have a limit to playing gambling when I want if it's just for fun.
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May 18, 2024, 01:38:10 PM |
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What are the most common casinos to play in crypto gambling? bcgames, livecasino, duelbits, rollbit, stakes, and betcoin are just some of them. This is where I move around when thinking about playing gambling. As long as I have time to gamble, I will really gamble.
But none of the ones I have mentioned I have experienced a bad gambling game here in the crypto space. Because I have a limit to playing gambling when I want if it's just for fun.
Very understandable bud, for those who actually are limited in their choices of casino where they gamble, it will be hard for them to ever come across a casino where they may end up having a very bad experience, and this is because, bad experiences often comes from mostly new and unpopular casinos, so for a player or gambler who just sticks with such casinos as you mentioned, it's pretty much difficult for such one to ever encounter any problems. Those who are often prone to or in danger of encountering some serious Issues with casino that often leave a very bad taste of gambling in their mouth are those I termed as the Explorers, this are those who want to try every single new casino that they come across, sometimes mostly due to bonuses offered by those new casinos or some other forms of promotion, this is how many even end up falling into the casinos that is run by scammers, one of my friend was a victim of this, and after the incident which lead to him losing over $3000, he stopped jumping from one unknown casino to another. Lol 😂
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So, I am putting out this question out to you - Which online casino is the worst of them all you've ever played on? And why do you consider this casino the worst online casino?
So far i havent been able to experience such worse conditions since im tending to play into those sites on which are known and popular on which i do always stick on the best. Issues arent that likely, if there would really be some changes then it would be something be noticed and on the time that you dont like such changes then this is the moment that you would be considering on going into other places on which you do look something better. There might be some issues that we might be able to experience but it would really be just that minimal. There might be some major ones but of course if you do stick into something shady sites or platforms then you would definitely be experiencing those things. The site that i do remember to be shit and known into this forum is 1xbit/1xbet.
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May 18, 2024, 04:49:48 PM |
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I cant really remember the name of the casino but I think I have played at some casinos that I consider as bad casino. Bad here does not merely mean that it the site was scam but I'm referring more to the UI interface, features, smoothness of the web, and the support system. Lucky for me is that I have never been a victim of scam casinos, maybe because I used to be so selective and so strict when I want to play in a casino.
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May 18, 2024, 05:04:00 PM |
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I'm not sure if i can call them out by name because afaik 90% of casinos out there don't use their own gaming platforms but rely on third-party game providers to run their casinos, which technically makes them the same... But there is one casino/sportsbook I have tried and not that their games are bad, but their marketing strategy is unacceptable...they run competitions in which players use their hard-earned money and when prizes are given out the player is again asked to deposit an equivalent amount of coins to the prize before claiming which puts these guys top of the list as my worst casino/bookie...and just to keep the spotlight off them I won't mention them unoftunately as this could hurt their business
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May 18, 2024, 05:53:01 PM |
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If a gambling casino is not being up to the required standard, gamblers will not find it interesting to use for their preferred gambling platform, we are more centered on seeing that each gambling platform we make use of are having the required service satisfaction on gamblers, gamblers seems to see a casino as being the worst each time they were unable to make withdrawal or perform any task on their site.
I know that we as gamblers must know which casino to deal with because our deposits may not be taken out once we mistakenly deposit in scam casino that will keep hold our funds . but what this thread asks is about worst casino experience ? though i once experienced delay in withdrawal but its resolved just in a day means this is not about being worst , this means I am not sharing any one as i never experienced even one case of being worst. There are a lot of casino sites in this forum and they are discussed a lot so it is very easy for us who use this forum to choose a good casino site. I always do a lot of research on casino sites before I use them because gambling is an interesting thing that people get involved in very quickly. And because of this, scanners take advantage of this and try to scam gamblers. Because of this, before choosing a casino site you should do your research which I do. And I always choose the site from the casino sites promoted in this forum. So I haven't had a worst online casino playing experience so far So many gamblers fall into the hands of worst casinos starting from the platform where they got to see some of those gambling casinos being advertised, we need to be careful of the kind of groups we belong and the websites visited because not all of them has what it takes to keep us with using their platform, many do have the challenges of withdrawal and KYC on these platforms they randomly see online.
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May 18, 2024, 06:37:44 PM |
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So, I am putting out this question out to you - Which online casino is the worst of them all you've ever played on? And why do you consider this casino the worst online casino?
I have also kind just same history and habhit like as you. I am also not that kind of frequent gambler and I mostly bet on sports bet and some times on casinos games. I haven't experienced of any worst online casino because of may be I didn't play on those casinos who didn't meet my interest to play. Because I don't play at casinos I don't like, and there are a few requirements for me to like. And they are that the gambling site must be well trusted as well as have a user friendly interface and user friendly withdrawal system. I play at casinos that meet these requirements. And because of this, the casinos from which I get the worst experience are already crossed off my list.
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It was before becoming a member of this forum, I believe. I was trying casinos and bookies around. One of them was a relatively small casino which allowed gamblers to use their own hardware in order to mine altcoins and get bankroll for them to try the games without depositing, it as quite more effective than the regular Bitcoin faucet one could find at the time in the internet, in my opinion. Anyways, even though the faucet worked okey enough, the games were lackluster and I believe their website design still had much to work on, it was not completely polished. In the end, I got tired if that website and decided to quit and never go back there, at least I only played and tried those casino games by using what I got from the faucet and never deposited my own money.
Thankfully, I have not had many negatively remarkable experiences with casinos.
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May 19, 2024, 07:28:52 AM |
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In my experience it was a scam casino,
The worst feature it had was it didn't have a withdraw button? i will not say the name to avoid users becoming a victim, but i will tell my experience.
Those users are absolutely right, if anyone discovers a casino that scam cryptocurrency users, or just mere users in general, it's better to tell everyone what sites they are, and tell everyone to AVOID such casinos. ---UPDATE--- Some users say i should mention the site, but is complex there was more than 30 sites involved in this scam, so, for those who want to know more about it, i would leave the source of my report in 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/?topic=5081286.0👍
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EarnOnVictor
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May 19, 2024, 08:49:00 AM |
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If a gambling casino is not being up to the required standard, gamblers will not find it interesting to use for their preferred gambling platform, we are more centered on seeing that each gambling platform we make use of are having the required service satisfaction on gamblers, gamblers seems to see a casino as being the worst each time they were unable to make withdrawal or perform any task on their site.
I know that we as gamblers must know which casino to deal with because our deposits may not be taken out once we mistakenly deposit in scam casino that will keep hold our funds . but what this thread asks is about worst casino experience ? though i once experienced delay in withdrawal but its resolved just in a day means this is not about being worst , this means I am not sharing any one as i never experienced even one case of being worst. If one is not careful about this thread, the person will be making mistakes, which was why in my first post here, I iterated that I never had that context "worse" experience with any casino because I am always careful about my selections. With that, anyone would know that I never wanted to rank my casinos in order not to discredit them for just a little fault like you are trying to guard against here as well. In your case, that casino that delayed your withdrawal is by all facts your worst casino, but still, they may not be that bad, especially if they have a good justification for the delay or it was just a misunderstanding or a technical glitch. It would be so unfair to now label them the worst casinos you've ever used. I have my few complaints with some casinos too but they are merely issues that were little and were solved amicably which doesn't warrant stating that they are my worst experience if I consider the service I've received from all casinos I've had. All are just good or fairly good, and since no casino has ever denied my withdrawal in particular, I maintain the point that they are still good to me even if some are with some tiny faults
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Willowbitcoin
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May 19, 2024, 09:02:43 AM |
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Without a doubt stake.com. 0/10 if you are a winning better. 7/10 if you are a losing better.
They selectively scam people from third world countries with impossible KYC requirements.
When you provide them documents in english, they ask for other , niche documents that only exist in your native language but stake only accepts english documents.
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kotajikikox
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May 20, 2024, 11:36:03 AM |
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If a gambling casino is not being up to the required standard, gamblers will not find it interesting to use for their preferred gambling platform, we are more centered on seeing that each gambling platform we make use of are having the required service satisfaction on gamblers, gamblers seems to see a casino as being the worst each time they were unable to make withdrawal or perform any task on their site.
I know that we as gamblers must know which casino to deal with because our deposits may not be taken out once we mistakenly deposit in scam casino that will keep hold our funds . but what this thread asks is about worst casino experience ? though i once experienced delay in withdrawal but its resolved just in a day means this is not about being worst , this means I am not sharing any one as i never experienced even one case of being worst. There are a lot of casino sites in this forum and they are discussed a lot so it is very easy for us who use this forum to choose a good casino site. I always do a lot of research on casino sites before I use them because gambling is an interesting thing that people get involved in very quickly. And because of this, scanners take advantage of this and try to scam gamblers. Because of this, before choosing a casino site you should do your research which I do. And I always choose the site from the casino sites promoted in this forum. So I haven't had a worst online casino playing experience so far exactly mate , because what we only need to do is surf this section and we will find what is best and better site to deal with because we can directly see what is the status of each sites. and also we can verify in each players shared experience to what is the site status because ever site has their own accusation but the best way to understand is how they handle each issues and how they wanted to deal with each account.
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May 20, 2024, 11:56:12 AM |
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Pnxbet is the worst. There’s no direct way to deposit money and you will need an agent to purchase codes just to deposit money. KYC is much harder to complete since they require financial records my deposit and worst is they have a very slow customer support to answer question.
I just saw this casino on popular streamer which they are partnered. I’m not aware of that they are connected to 1xbit when I deposit since I’m confident that they are trusted due to streamer partnerships.
Worst experience so far.
Haha, I previously missed your comment, coming back here now and reading comments again from the start of the page, I noticed this. A friend of mine who is a very active gambler like I suppose or assume you are, once mentioned this casino and complained of exactly the same thing, and also swore never to visit or play on that casino again, according to him, he said they still have his $250 or so. Things like this is one of the reasons why I try as much as possible to avoid casinos that are not popular. Without a doubt stake.com. 0/10 if you are a winning better. 7/10 if you are a losing better.
They selectively scam people from third world countries with impossible KYC requirements.
When you provide them documents in english, they ask for other , niche documents that only exist in your native language but stake only accepts english documents.
There is more than enough space in the sky for every bird to freely fly, so, yeah, this is your opinion about stake, which I believe is based on your personal experience using the casino, I personally, I respect your opinion, but I doubt if the general public or a large audience will do the same. And this is because Stake is actually one of the biggest online casinos with lots of users, and also one of the most reputable, and then being a casino from an English speaking country, there is no way you except them to accept a kyc document that is not written in English(language they can understand), I am also from third world country and I had no issue of any kind passing my kyc verification on stake.
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Dr.Bitcoin_Strange
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May 20, 2024, 01:04:55 PM |
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Very understandable bud, for those who actually are limited in their choices of casino where they gamble, it will be hard for them to ever come across a casino where they may end up having a very bad experience, and this is because, bad experiences often comes from mostly new and unpopular casinos, so for a player or gambler who just sticks with such casinos as you mentioned, it's pretty much difficult for such one to ever encounter any problems.
You are right, bro. For someone like myself who is stocked with the old and reputable casino that I have been using for a long time now, I don't think I can have any interest in starting gambling at a new and non-reputable casino where I am going to face any issues. For the few reputable casinos I have also tried after joining the forum, I have not had any ugly incidents there, and I love how their sites are designed too. There are some casinos that are reputable enough, but for some reason you will just find a gambler complaining of their bad experience with the casino, whereas you have not really had such an experience since you started to use the site. I have seen some complaining about how Stake Casino has locked their assets, and they also sometimes claim that support is not providing any solution to their complaint. I just hope I don't even get to experience any of those issues.
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May 20, 2024, 02:14:16 PM |
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Very understandable bud, for those who actually are limited in their choices of casino where they gamble, it will be hard for them to ever come across a casino where they may end up having a very bad experience, and this is because, bad experiences often comes from mostly new and unpopular casinos, so for a player or gambler who just sticks with such casinos as you mentioned, it's pretty much difficult for such one to ever encounter any problems.
You are right, bro. For someone like myself who is stocked with the old and reputable casino that I have been using for a long time now, I don't think I can have any interest in starting gambling at a new and non-reputable casino where I am going to face any issues. For the few reputable casinos I have also tried after joining the forum, I have not had any ugly incidents there, and I love how their sites are designed too. There are some casinos that are reputable enough, but for some reason you will just find a gambler complaining of their bad experience with the casino, whereas you have not really had such an experience since you started to use the site. I have seen some complaining about how Stake Casino has locked their assets, and they also sometimes claim that support is not providing any solution to their complaint. I just hope I don't even get to experience any of those issues. Its not easy to participate on what new casino can offer since we don't know if we can get our deposited amount from them or either we have some assurance that we can get our winnings with them since everything is questionable that's why same as you I try to avoid participating on anything that I can possibly get attracted on what they offer to me. But its undeniable that there are some new posted casino in this forum is trying their best to became more good base on the feedback given by people. But so far on my experience I didn't get much any issue that I got compromise by new casino. Just stay around on reputable casino and for sure that there would be no bad experience will come and will just totally agree that what casino has been mentioned by people is really the worst casino to choose. There lots of option to select so hopefully they do a lot more research so they can stay away on a bad casinos.
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