[SCAM] AnonBet.net?

[Poker Player]

The user from notblox1's screenshots has already deposited funds and then received their withdrawal in timely manner.

It would be nice if notblox1 could confirm (or deny) this fact. Regardless of what he still thinks about the business. It is a matter of fact.

Have you received the withdrawal, notblox1?

[logfiles]

The user from notblox1's screenshots has already deposited funds and then received their withdrawal in timely manner.

It would be nice if notblox1 could confirm (or deny) this fact. Regardless of what he still thinks about the business. It is a matter of fact.

Have you received the withdrawal, notblox1?

I am also waiting for his response on whether he managed to withdraw or not. I personally think tagging and flagging them in a haste manner is not necessary.

This is not the first casino I have seen ask for a deposit as a requirement to make a withdrawal of winnings from a free spin or bet. I am not vouching for them, but sometimes we shouldn't just fuck up brand-new services just like that. We should give them time to prove themselves.

[anonbet.net]

Hello, notblox1!

You have prematurely created a topic to label us as a scam while not reading or complying with our short Terms & Conditions. You were very active at first, both here and in the ANN thread, pointing a finger and lying about us. Did you go on a vacation?

We don't need the thread taken down, we want it open. We are privacy-first but nobody will trust us to protect their funds and privacy unless we protect our name first. We have downloaded all the images from your post and we advice anybody interested in the truth to do so, too. We confirm their username, deposit transaction and support tickets are as shown in the screenshots (with the exception that both tickets were quickly answered).

We invite you to come forward in 24 hours time and transparently answer everybody you misled, with the same tenacity that you used to lie initially. In 24 hours, if you have not done your best to clear everybody's doubts about your experience, we will use your own screenshots as reference to clear our name. We will show both your deposit and withdrawal on the blockchain, as well as all of your support communication. We don't ask you to trust us immediately. We ask for the truth. Let it be known or else we would.

[notblox1]

It would be nice if notblox1 could confirm (or deny) this fact. Regardless of what he still thinks about the business. It is a matter of fact.

Yes I did receive requested withdrawal in the end, but only after I wrote to Anonbet support several times and demanded manual withdrawal.
It was impossible to make normal withdrawal from their website because of their stupid captcha and errors on their website.

I am also waiting for his response on whether he managed to withdraw or not. I personally think tagging and flagging them in a haste manner is not necessary.

Nothing was done in haste.
Unlike most of the members who are writing and dont know what they are talking about, I tested their website for days.
Even without withdrawal issue I would warn other members about issue with their website.

You have prematurely created a topic to label us as a scam while not reading or complying with our short Terms & Conditions. You were very active at first, both here and in the ANN thread, pointing a finger and lying about us. Did you go on a vacation?

There is such a thing called life outise bitcointalk forum  
I did read terms on your website, and even without withdrawal issue I consider your casino to be high risk.
First I asked you several questions in your ANN topic and raised concerns but you ignored everything I wrote.
Never in my life I used casino with such system that makes it impossible to withdraw coins with fake messages like insufficient funds and endless wrong captchas.

We don't need the thread taken down, we want it open. We are privacy-first but nobody will trust us to protect their funds and privacy unless we protect our name first. We have downloaded all the images from your post and we advice anybody interested in the truth to do so, too. We confirm their username, deposit transaction and support tickets are as shown in the screenshots (with the exception that both tickets were quickly answered).

Dont worry, I also saved all the screenshots myself and I posted some of them already, but I am preparing bigger report that needs time
Tell us please, why are you using fake warning messages for insufficient funds and wrong captchas?

[anonbet.net]

It would be nice if notblox1 could confirm (or deny) this fact. Regardless of what he still thinks about the business. It is a matter of fact.

Yes I did receive requested withdrawal in the end, but only after I wrote to Anonbet support several times and demanded manual withdrawal.
It was impossible to make normal withdrawal from their website because of their stupid captcha and errors on their website.

I am also waiting for his response on whether he managed to withdraw or not. I personally think tagging and flagging them in a haste manner is not necessary.

Nothing was done in haste.
Unlike most of the members who are writing and dont know what they are talking about, I tested their website for days.
Even without withdrawal issue I would warn other members about issue with their website.

You have prematurely created a topic to label us as a scam while not reading or complying with our short Terms & Conditions. You were very active at first, both here and in the ANN thread, pointing a finger and lying about us. Did you go on a vacation?

There is such a thing called life outise bitcointalk forum  
I did read terms on your website, and even without withdrawal issue I consider your casino to be high risk.
First I asked you several questions in your ANN topic and raised concerns but you ignored everything I wrote.
Never in my life I used casino with such system that makes it impossible to withdraw coins with fake messages like insufficient funds and endless wrong captchas.

We don't need the thread taken down, we want it open. We are privacy-first but nobody will trust us to protect their funds and privacy unless we protect our name first. We have downloaded all the images from your post and we advice anybody interested in the truth to do so, too. We confirm their username, deposit transaction and support tickets are as shown in the screenshots (with the exception that both tickets were quickly answered).

Dont worry, I also saved all the screenshots myself and I posted some of them already, but I am preparing bigger report that needs time
Tell us please, why are you using fake warning messages for insufficient funds and wrong captchas?

We are looking forward to your report and addressing anything stated there! A small number of users have also requested withdrawal through support but did not mention any insufficient funds issues. Would you mind sharing what browser you were using? Firefox-based browsers should offer smooth user experience.

As for our captchas, they will expire after a certain time. Currently, the login/registration captchas are valid for 3 minutes and if you have not completed it before expiration, you will have to solve the next captcha. We would consider displaying the captchas countdown to not confuse users.

By the way, it is impossible for an unregulated no-KYC platform, be it casino or not, to not be high-risk, especially in the beginning. At least we will not block your funds (claiming it is for your own good as we have determined you have gambling problems) or require a lengthy validation process, collecting all your personal data, as all of the regulated "low-risk" options out there. Our platform has launched in February as p2pbet.online (already mentioned) and was recently rebranded to a .net domain with a better name. All registered users with their funds have been migrated successfully before we wrote about us here.

[notblox1]

We are looking forward to your report and addressing anything stated there! A small number of users have also requested withdrawal through support but did not mention any insufficient funds issues. Would you mind sharing what browser you were using? Firefox-based browsers should offer smooth user experience.

I used google chrome browser, that is most popular browser in the world, and I said before that is was almost impossible to solve math captchas, hard to login, impossible to withdraw.
Maybe I will find time to record short video and show everyone what is really happening.

By the way, it is impossible for an unregulated no-KYC platform, be it casino or not, to not be high-risk, especially in the beginning. At least we will not block your funds (claiming it is for your own good as we have determined you have gambling problems) or require a lengthy validation process, collecting all your personal data, as all of the regulated "low-risk" options out there. Our platform has launched in February as p2pbet.online (already mentioned) and was recently rebranded to a .net domain with a better name. All registered users with their funds have been migrated successfully before we wrote about us here.

You already did a reset and removed all coins from your customers who used free spins, that is worse than blocking funds 
But I personally received back my coins and flag removal will be considered.
It is up to you to correct mistakes and prove you are not a scam.

[anonbet.net]

I used google chrome browser, that is most popular browser in the world, and I said before that is was almost impossible to solve math captchas, hard to login, impossible to withdraw.
Maybe I will find time to record short video and show everyone what is really happening.

Please, try to do so with a Firefox-based browser. We are fully aware of slots displaying issues on some non-Firefox browsers. We will make this information more visible to users. Our suspicion is that browsers that display decimal amounts with "," instead of a "." could be causing funds moving issues as our system expects a dot. We are in the process of fixing such potential issue. Still you should have got a more accurate error message if that was indeed the case. Maybe other users who withdrew via support simply didn't share any information about an issue they were facing.

You already did a reset and removed all coins from your customers who used free spins, that is worse than blocking funds  

We only removed free spin profits from customers who had not made a deposit until a certain point in time. It was a ticking bomb for us otherwise. As we explained here - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5496891.msg64109424#msg64109424:

One of the dirtiest ways it was exploited was, people would play from, say 3, different accounts and collect their profits to their account. Then they would pick a, say football game, bet on team 1 from account 1, bet on team 2 from account 2 and bet on draw from account 3. Whichever account wins the bet, would then receive a minimal deposit, and withdraw the bet-scaled funds.

Still anybody who had already placed a deposit has got their withdrawals successfully. The only exceptions are "different" users who requested to withdraw to the same address, or users who deposited directly from a recent withdrawal address of a different user - they have only got their deposits sent to them, without the free spin profits. We would like to disagree that blocking anybody's personal funds is better than taking back what was given away and only from those who had not met the deposit criteria. Still it is not that much of an "exploitation" as it was our fault to not take precautions and had to cut the give-away short, so we take full responsibility and have paid out everybody who met the criteria. Next time we run a promotion we will do a much better job of clearly stating the requirements and preventing possible abuse. Until then we will be working on improving user experience and answering your questions.

But I personally received back my coins and flag removal will be considered.
It is up to you to correct mistakes and prove you are not a scam.

Thank you, this is all we needed to hear!

[notblox1]

Please, try to do so with a Firefox-based browser. We are fully aware of slots displaying issues on some non-Firefox browsers.

I just tried to login with Firefox browser and again I received Wrong Captcha warning and I could not login until I tried several times.
Finally I was able to login and I spend all my remaining balance with slots.
Wrong captchas errors was the first thing that made me suspect this is a scam.

We only removed free spin profits from customers who had not made a deposit until a certain point in time. It was a ticking bomb for us otherwise.

Maybe, but nobody forced you to give everyone free spins without thinking, and you claimed that everyone will be able to withdraw.
It is to be expected that cheaters will always try to abuse any system.

Every user registered before June 1-st receives 20 free 1$ (10 lines, 0.10$ per line) spins. The USD profit equivalent in BTC is fully withdrawable and/or usable within our platform.

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if you didnt lose any coins please consider removing flag support: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3302

[holydarkness]

I read some post thoroughly and some other rather cursory, so apology in advance if I missed a thing or two, I am here because I am about to address another thread [and have to read this one to get a full understanding of the matter], but I catch that one of the issue is captcha [this case is resolved, though]?

If I may offer two cents, abnonbet.net, perhaps it's a good idea to use another captcha provider? I think it'll at least tackle one known issue [captcha difficulties] from your players. Who knows if it's not an isolated issue with notblox1, if there are other players experiencing similar issue, it'll certainly make people reconsider playing in your platform and, like what happened to notblox1, rather concerned with the legitimacy of your platform.

[acroman08]

Who knows if it's not an isolated issue with notblox1, if there are other players experiencing similar issue, it'll certainly make people reconsider playing in your platform and, like what happened to notblox1, rather concerned with the legitimacy of your platform.

regarding their captcha, it happened to me several times during my registration on their gambling site a few days ago, the math question on their captcha is not hard and can be easily answered so I am certain I didn't put the wrong answer, other than that incident during my registration on their gambling site a few days ago, it never happened to me again.

[anonbet.net]

I read some post thoroughly and some other rather cursory, so apology in advance if I missed a thing or two, I am here because I am about to address another thread [and have to read this one to get a full understanding of the matter], but I catch that one of the issue is captcha [this case is resolved, though]?

If I may offer two cents, abnonbet.net, perhaps it's a good idea to use another captcha provider? I think it'll at least tackle one known issue [captcha difficulties] from your players. Who knows if it's not an isolated issue with notblox1, if there are other players experiencing similar issue, it'll certainly make people reconsider playing in your platform and, like what happened to notblox1, rather concerned with the legitimacy of your platform.

Hello! We also find it hard to follow everything, so we fully relate. As we have mentioned previously, each captcha has certain expiration. We have increased captcha's expiration times as follows:

• Login/Registration - 20 minutes (previously 3 minutes)
• Change password - 20 minutes (previously 3 minutes)
• Place a withdrawal request - 30 minutes (previously 5 minutes)
• Open a support ticket - 40 minutes (previously 20 minutes)

Even if you get the captcha wrong when opening a support ticket, your current progress will be saved. Please, don't hesitate to escalate any issue to support.

[acroman08]

Hello! We also find it hard to follow everything, so we fully relate. As we have mentioned previously, each captcha has certain expiration. We have increased captcha's expiration times as follows:

Login/Registration - 20 minutes (previously 3 minutes)

this post of mine might be redundant to the thread but I guess this explains why I experienced the "wrong captcha" several times when registering on the gambling site, I was doing other things when I was doing it and registering was not a priority so I kept going to other tabs and spend a certain amount of time on the other tabs before going back to the registering page and putting the answer to the captcha. anyway, maybe it'll be good if you make the timer on the captcha visible so people can see when the captcha will expire.

[notblox1]

Hello! We also find it hard to follow everything, so we fully relate. As we have mentioned previously, each captcha has certain expiration. We have increased captcha's expiration times as follows

I dont think Captcha problem was connected with time.
Most people can solve those generated math equations in less than a minute, that is much less than previous 3 minute minimum.
Browser cookies could be another suspect that is causing this problem.

[holydarkness]

I read some post thoroughly and some other rather cursory, so apology in advance if I missed a thing or two, I am here because I am about to address another thread [and have to read this one to get a full understanding of the matter], but I catch that one of the issue is captcha [this case is resolved, though]?

If I may offer two cents, abnonbet.net, perhaps it's a good idea to use another captcha provider? I think it'll at least tackle one known issue [captcha difficulties] from your players. Who knows if it's not an isolated issue with notblox1, if there are other players experiencing similar issue, it'll certainly make people reconsider playing in your platform and, like what happened to notblox1, rather concerned with the legitimacy of your platform.

Hello! We also find it hard to follow everything, so we fully relate. As we have mentioned previously, each captcha has certain expiration. We have increased captcha's expiration times as follows:

• Login/Registration - 20 minutes (previously 3 minutes)
• Change password - 20 minutes (previously 3 minutes)
• Place a withdrawal request - 30 minutes (previously 5 minutes)
• Open a support ticket - 40 minutes (previously 20 minutes)

Even if you get the captcha wrong when opening a support ticket, your current progress will be saved. Please, don't hesitate to escalate any issue to support.

What I suggested was actually to consider using another captcha provider, not setting it to works for longer period. I think it's safe to say that any user can finish their captcha in ten seconds or less, since generally people will open a page, hit a captcha wall, and solve it immediately instead of taking a half hour coffee break, so extending the expiration time will not solve the issue.

From what I read here, the captcha system seems too aggressive on detecting bots, giving false positive. It can severely reduce your traffic, in a bad way, as [real] people will be rather reluctant to play in your platform due to those false detection. I personally will leave a website if I got a captcha error more than two or three times.

[khaled0111]

What I suggested was actually to consider using another captcha provider, not setting it to works for longer period.

I highly believe they created the captcha they are currently using by themselves and they are not using a third-party provider.

From what I read here, the captcha system seems too aggressive on detecting bots, giving false positive. It can severely reduce your traffic, in a bad way, as [real] people will be rather reluctant to play in your platform due to those false detection.

Personally, I didn't experience any problem when solving their captcha.
Judging by how their captcha works, I doubt it can really stop bots or even determine whether the one solving it is a human or a bot. In fact, bots have higher chances of solving it correctly than humans.

[anonbet.net]

Hello everybody,

Anybody who had experienced "Wrong captcha" while 100% sure they got it right, has had it because of expiration. We have manually investigated samples of the logs to make sure no false-wrongs were given prior to the captcha expiration. Users could easily solve the captcha in seconds but they also have to enter/choose a username and a password, or copy them from their password manager, and get distracted on other tabs/windows.

With the expiration increase nobody should experience an issue.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Anybody who had experienced "Wrong captcha" while 100% sure they got it right, has had it because of expiration. We have manually investigated samples of the logs to make sure no false-wrongs were given prior to the captcha expiration. Users could easily solve the captcha in seconds but they also have to enter/choose a username and a password, or copy them from their password manager, and get distracted on other tabs/windows.

Are you using your own captcha module or you are using a third party? Captcha does not always work correctly it does not matter which providers you have. But when you are using your own it requires more testing.

[anonbet.net]

Are you using your own captcha module or you are using a third party? Captcha does not always work correctly it does not matter which providers you have. But when you are using your own it requires more testing.

Hello, bitcoinGgrl.club. Our captcha is homegrown as everything else is. We avoid third-party services to continue providing a stable no-KYC platform to everybody. Third-party services would introduce the risk of potential downtime that's out of our control. Third-party services would introduce trackers to our users. Third-party services would require KYC from members of our team, which we avoid sharing at all costs, in order to remain unregulated and not forced to require KYC. All things we don't want. Our captcha system has been tested thoroughly. Feel free to test it yourself, too.

[notblox1]

Anybody who had experienced "Wrong captcha" while 100% sure they got it right, has had it because of expiration. We have manually investigated samples of the logs to make sure no false-wrongs were given prior to the captcha expiration. Users could easily solve the captcha in seconds but they also have to enter/choose a username and a password, or copy them from their password manager, and get distracted on other tabs/windows.

Did you test everything with Chrome browser?
I am sure most of the people are using this browser instead of Firefox, and this could be another reason for getting wrong captcha many times.
In my case it is not true that wrong captcha was mistake from my side, and I was never slow in entering my answers for math problems.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Hello, bitcoinGgrl.club. Our captcha is homegrown as everything else is. We avoid third-party services to continue providing a stable no-KYC platform to everybody. Third-party services would introduce the risk of potential downtime that's out of our control. Third-party services would introduce trackers to our users. Third-party services would require KYC from members of our team, which we avoid sharing at all costs, in order to remain unregulated and not forced to require KYC. All things we don't want. Our captcha system has been tested thoroughly.

In that case I think some of the members are just reacting too quickly even with the neutral feedback. Your team needs more time to fix, test and eventually to make a productive system.