Deontay Wilder Vs Zhilei Zhang JUNE 1 Heavyweight

[FinneysTrueVision]

And that's good that we won't see this fight as this would've been an embarrassment for Wilder. He used to be good, up until Fury broke his spirit and then he became a guy that can't even get to fight once every 12 months. If you need more than a year to get a fight you're going to go out of shape and time is unforgiving for people in sports.
He's ending a good career with a losing streak and I won't miss him. Wilder always seemed cocky and egoistic and most people didn't like him. His style was also poor, depending on heavy hits in hope for a knockout and he showed this again in this last fight. You could see the skill difference between him and Zhang.

Being in that PBC silo for so long played against him. Wilder thought he could always win by easy knockout against opponents that were selected for him to look good against. He never really bothered trying to improve his technique and when he finally faced somebody that could stand up to him, and punish him in return, it broke him psychologically. At the end of his career he was never able to recover the confidence and ego that made him “The Bronze Bomber”. It’s a depressing way to end things, but now he must move on to the next chapter in his life and enjoy his wealth and spend time with his family.

[TopTort777]

Again, social media made Wilder a huge favorite in this fight (due to all his knockout highlights), while here we got Zhang as a winner by KO from votes. And exactly that is what has happened last night. Zhang finished Wilder in first half of the fight, and beating started from second round, when Zhang caught Wilder in the corner. Long story short - never trust what people say in the internet In all my related videos from youtube and articles in media mentioned 100 reasons how knockout artist is going to beat old Chinese boxer.

But as per betting odds, Wilder is the underdog, although I believed what the media was to portray of Wilder is that he is a live underdog, meaning he could be a good bet for gamblers and he might pull an upset. But he was really light in this fight, not sure what he did it or maybe that was part of his strategy.

But Zhang was able to take advantage of being the heavier guy, putting his weight on Wilder and then that power. And if I'm not mistaken, it was the right had that caught Wilder spinning and you can see that he is already out as his legs is not there anymore.

I know that Wilder was an underdog, I have paid attention that Zhang was almost 70 pound heavier, I have seen odds. But many stupidly compare how hyped Wilder knockout people and Zhang, who is not so popular on YouTube for example. I am just amazed how easy it is to trick people, or how badly or wrong they read information about fighters. Some of my friends bet on Wilder, because they saw his knockout highlights and thought that he would KO Zhang

[Viscore]

I know that Wilder was an underdog, I have paid attention that Zhang was almost 70 pound heavier, I have seen odds. But many stupidly compare how hyped Wilder knockout people and Zhang, who is not so popular on YouTube for example. I am just amazed how easy it is to trick people, or how badly or wrong they read information about fighters. Some of my friends bet on Wilder, because they saw his knockout highlights and thought that he would KO Zhang

Most of them are wrong, and for us who were able to analyze this head to head match up, we see the huge advantage of Zhang in terms of weight. Team Wilder probably have their own plan on why they keep that weight for Wilder, but the boxer is not really the same guy anymore, he keeps losing and now it might be the end of his career. That odds for Zhang being the slight favorite would already tell something is wrong with the odds, it's a trap and of course those who just made their decision based on the highlights they saw would be easily fool, as the real value is on Zhang.

[barbara44]

Wilder did not look good at all and I do agree that he should "retire", I do not agree that he should stop doing money fights, money is something we all need no matter who you are and if he wants to do exhibition matches then he should. I mean even Mike Tyson is having one at age 57, so it is not like Wilder should stop that much, just that he should not fight anyone serious ever again if you ask me.

One thing I did not completely understand was the fact hat he was saying something to the ref when he got that first punch, and because of that he wasn't ready for the punch that knocked him down, I do not know what was it, I mean Zhang didn't do anything against the rules, it was a normal punch, so why did Wilder didn't defended but said something? No idea what went there.

[Dave1]

And that's good that we won't see this fight as this would've been an embarrassment for Wilder. He used to be good, up until Fury broke his spirit and then he became a guy that can't even get to fight once every 12 months. If you need more than a year to get a fight you're going to go out of shape and time is unforgiving for people in sports.
He's ending a good career with a losing streak and I won't miss him. Wilder always seemed cocky and egoistic and most people didn't like him. His style was also poor, depending on heavy hits in hope for a knockout and he showed this again in this last fight. You could see the skill difference between him and Zhang.

Being in that PBC silo for so long played against him. Wilder thought he could always win by easy knockout against opponents that were selected for him to look good against. He never really bothered trying to improve his technique and when he finally faced somebody that could stand up to him, and punish him in return, it broke him psychologically. At the end of his career he was never able to recover the confidence and ego that made him “The Bronze Bomber”. It’s a depressing way to end things, but now he must move on to the next chapter in his life and enjoy his wealth and spend time with his family.

True, I wouldn't call it a set up fight for him by PBC, but at some point he has to go and face the other champion in the division and it just so happen that Fury is really making a great comeback that time and he took Wilder soul as he was never the same again.

And this fight proved that case, he could have train here, but if his mind is no longer in boxing and wanted to retire then this is the perfect opportunity for him.

No need to take any more damage or punish himself in the next fight. It's clear that he lost everything.

[Docnaster]

Wilder did not look good at all and I do agree that he should "retire", I do not agree that he should stop doing money fights, money is something we all need no matter who you are and if he wants to do exhibition matches then he should. I mean even Mike Tyson is having one at age 57, so it is not like Wilder should stop that much, just that he should not fight anyone serious ever again if you ask me.

One thing I did not completely understand was the fact hat he was saying something to the ref when he got that first punch, and because of that he wasn't ready for the punch that knocked him down, I do not know what was it, I mean Zhang didn't do anything against the rules, it was a normal punch, so why did Wilder didn't defended but said something? No idea what went there.

For all the years I've watched Deontay Wilder fight in any boxing match, his fight against Zhilei Zhang in Saudi Arabia over the weekend is undoubtedly his weakest defeat I've seen. At 38 years, I don't the Deontay Wilder should retire from boxing because there are older boxers who made history in a more advanced age than the current age of the American. Floyd Mayweather was having fights till he clocked 50 and just like you said, 57 year old Tyson Fury is not tired of the ring.
Whatever he was saying to the ref after the first heavy knock from Zhilei Zhang was unnecessary because he didn't enter the boxing ring for jokes. The match was won squarely by Zhilei Zhang and never cir once did he go against the rules. Deontay Wilder should go back and have a strong training again so he can be fit for any other fight he's gonna fight in the future

[Polkeins]

I know that Wilder was an underdog, I have paid attention that Zhang was almost 70 pound heavier, I have seen odds. But many stupidly compare how hyped Wilder knockout people and Zhang, who is not so popular on YouTube for example. I am just amazed how easy it is to trick people, or how badly or wrong they read information about fighters. Some of my friends bet on Wilder, because they saw his knockout highlights and thought that he would KO Zhang

Most of them are wrong, and for us who were able to analyze this head to head match up, we see the huge advantage of Zhang in terms of weight. Team Wilder probably have their own plan on why they keep that weight for Wilder, but the boxer is not really the same guy anymore, he keeps losing and now it might be the end of his career. That odds for Zhang being the slight favorite would already tell something is wrong with the odds, it's a trap and of course those who just made their decision based on the highlights they saw would be easily fool, as the real value is on Zhang.

The odds on Wilder's victory were understandable, because Deontay is younger and before the fight with Fury was one of the best heavyweights in the world and his series of 42 wins without defeat and only 2 matches were without knockouts was phenomenal, but apparently two defeats from Fury broke Deontay mentally, because after that came defeats from Parker and now from Zhang Zhilai.
If Wilder finds a good psychologist, he has a chance to fight at a high level for a couple more years, because as a boxer he is already a phenomenon. Wilder came to boxing when he was 20 years old and then throughout his career he left no chance to his opponents. Unfortunately his team can't give him back his confidence and 4 defeats in the last 5 matches show that Wilder has serious psychological problems. 

[btc_angela]

And that's good that we won't see this fight as this would've been an embarrassment for Wilder. He used to be good, up until Fury broke his spirit and then he became a guy that can't even get to fight once every 12 months. If you need more than a year to get a fight you're going to go out of shape and time is unforgiving for people in sports.
He's ending a good career with a losing streak and I won't miss him. Wilder always seemed cocky and egoistic and most people didn't like him. His style was also poor, depending on heavy hits in hope for a knockout and he showed this again in this last fight. You could see the skill difference between him and Zhang.

Being in that PBC silo for so long played against him. Wilder thought he could always win by easy knockout against opponents that were selected for him to look good against. He never really bothered trying to improve his technique and when he finally faced somebody that could stand up to him, and punish him in return, it broke him psychologically. At the end of his career he was never able to recover the confidence and ego that made him “The Bronze Bomber”. It’s a depressing way to end things, but now he must move on to the next chapter in his life and enjoy his wealth and spend time with his family.

He was just knocking out tomato cans, and that was the sense of false hope that PBC gave him during that time. Stepping up in competition is very different, three knockout lost in the last five fight? It's means that he doesn't have it anymore.

And with that, gonna be difficult for him to make a comeback and most likely he won't in the next couple of years and then he will just retire for good. Zhang could be in the discussion again, but let's see if him and Parker will have a rematch to avenge his lost.

[LogitechMouse]

The loss is so ugly, not something Wilder wants to remember for the rest of his life but he can overcome this as he has one of the most illustrious careers, it's time for him to retire even if he wants to,  two successive ugly loses is enough to call it over.
Wilder did not give an interview because he is still not getting over the loss but I'm sure he and his family will decide what his next step in boxing is, Joshua did come back from two successive losses but it's not from knockout and total domination that Wilder suffered so he cannot do an Anthony Joshua scenario.

After that fight, I looked at the stats of each boxer including the weight, reach, etc. and I saw that the Chinese boxer has a more than 70 KGS weight advantage, and I don't know if it's just me thinking like this, but I always believe that having that much of a weight advantage will have an advantage to the boxer in terms of his power punches.

I remember Garcia when he's I think 3KGS heavier than the required weight, and I believe it affected his power in his punches. Same with this one with Zhang and Wilder. Heavier fighter = heavier punches. That's what I believe, and for me, that's a factor why Wilder got knocked out in the 5th round but nevertheless, a loss is a loss and this is a bad way to end his career. I don't think that he will end his career with a loss though, and he might request for another fight in the future. This is his 2nd consecutive loss, and I don't think that he will end his career like that so expect another fight from him.

The question is what's next for both fighters. Anyway, his performance in his final 5 fights surely has an effect on his mental health so like what others said here, he must seek help from an expert.

[Baofeng]

I know that Wilder was an underdog, I have paid attention that Zhang was almost 70 pound heavier, I have seen odds. But many stupidly compare how hyped Wilder knockout people and Zhang, who is not so popular on YouTube for example. I am just amazed how easy it is to trick people, or how badly or wrong they read information about fighters. Some of my friends bet on Wilder, because they saw his knockout highlights and thought that he would KO Zhang

Most of them are wrong, and for us who were able to analyze this head to head match up, we see the huge advantage of Zhang in terms of weight. Team Wilder probably have their own plan on why they keep that weight for Wilder, but the boxer is not really the same guy anymore, he keeps losing and now it might be the end of his career. That odds for Zhang being the slight favorite would already tell something is wrong with the odds, it's a trap and of course those who just made their decision based on the highlights they saw would be easily fool, as the real value is on Zhang.

The odds on Wilder's victory were understandable, because Deontay is younger and before the fight with Fury was one of the best heavyweights in the world and his series of 42 wins without defeat and only 2 matches were without knockouts was phenomenal, but apparently two defeats from Fury broke Deontay mentally, because after that came defeats from Parker and now from Zhang Zhilai.
If Wilder finds a good psychologist, he has a chance to fight at a high level for a couple more years, because as a boxer he is already a phenomenon. Wilder came to boxing when he was 20 years old and then throughout his career he left no chance to his opponents. Unfortunately his team can't give him back his confidence and 4 defeats in the last 5 matches show that Wilder has serious psychological problems. 

I don't think that the psychologist can help him get over his mental problems and be back at his former self. As what we have seen, when he fought Fury he was really exposed as just one dimensional fighter who just rely on his power. Although in the first fight, he was able to score a knock down, but in the rematch it was different and that really take a lot, as hee had become someone else.

So we don't know what's his future, maybe he is now considering retirement. Now he is old, he can't just rely solely on his power, he needs to learn to be a boxer. But it's too late for him now.

[Distinctin]

I don't think that the psychologist can help him get over his mental problems and be back at his former self. As what we have seen, when he fought Fury he was really exposed as just one dimensional fighter who just rely on his power. Although in the first fight, he was able to score a knock down, but in the rematch it was different and that really take a lot, as hee had become someone else.

So we don't know what's his future, maybe he is now considering retirement. Now he is old, he can't just rely solely on his power, he needs to learn to be a boxer. But it's too late for him now.

He needs a psychologist to help him accept his defeat and retire happily because he cannot go back to boxing and still expect to win. The way I see it, he has a big problem within himself. Every time he loses, it seems like he doesn't acknowledge the winner and still thinks he is the better fighter. Wilder is delusional; he thinks he is still living in his boxing superstar days and hasn't suffered a defeat yet. We have a lot of heavyweight fighters ready to make names for themselves. Let's give them a chance, and old boxers like Wilder should retire already.

[coin-investor]

I don't think that the psychologist can help him get over his mental problems and be back at his former self. As what we have seen, when he fought Fury he was really exposed as just one dimensional fighter who just rely on his power. Although in the first fight, he was able to score a knock down, but in the rematch it was different and that really take a lot, as hee had become someone else.

So we don't know what's his future, maybe he is now considering retirement. Now he is old, he can't just rely solely on his power, he needs to learn to be a boxer. But it's too late for him now.

He needs a psychologist to help him accept his defeat and retire happily because he cannot go back to boxing and still expect to win. The way I see it, he has a big problem within himself. Every time he loses, it seems like he doesn't acknowledge the winner and still thinks he is the better fighter. Wilder is delusional; he thinks he is still living in his boxing superstar days and hasn't suffered a defeat yet. We have a lot of heavyweight fighters ready to make names for themselves. Let's give them a chance, and old boxers like Wilder should retire already.

Yes that's true he seems to be a sore loser even in his match against Joseph Parker which Parker dominated he has an excuse:

Wilder said: “It was a boring fight, nothing really happened. I went right back to training the next day. He really didn't do nothing, they just went off the little flurries or whatever. In the training for that I had to travel two times, 20 hours of travelling. And those guys were already in Europe, they were only 2/3 hours away. I'm not complaining, I'm just saying what I had to go through.

Deontay Wilder in new excuse over shock loss to Joseph Parker

And I'm sure he has one coming in the next few days against Zhang, he has too much pride compared to some of the great boxers like Tyson, Lewis, and Evander Holyfield who can admit defeat.

The road to the title shot is unclear for Wilder so many young and skilled boxers are coming up in the heavyweight, and even if he fights Joshua next I don't think he stands a chance, Joshua has learned a lot after his first defeat against Ruiz that he armed himself with better skills something that Wilder is to late to learn

[TopTort777]

Yes that's true he seems to be a sore loser even in his match against Joseph Parker which Parker dominated he has an excuse:

Wilder said: “It was a boring fight, nothing really happened. I went right back to training the next day. He really didn't do nothing, they just went off the little flurries or whatever. In the training for that I had to travel two times, 20 hours of travelling. And those guys were already in Europe, they were only 2/3 hours away. I'm not complaining, I'm just saying what I had to go through.

Deontay Wilder in new excuse over shock loss to Joseph Parker

At least he came up with something new this time Heavy suit, boring flight. Is this guy an athlete or confused boxing with circus? He can only blame his manager for booking tickets and arriving so late. He could have arrived weeks before the fight to pass acclimatization, jet lag, visit some places of entertainment, have a rest. I like how it sounds "boring flight". Like flights were once different. Sit, eat, rest, repeat.

[Polkeins]

I know that Wilder was an underdog, I have paid attention that Zhang was almost 70 pound heavier, I have seen odds. But many stupidly compare how hyped Wilder knockout people and Zhang, who is not so popular on YouTube for example. I am just amazed how easy it is to trick people, or how badly or wrong they read information about fighters. Some of my friends bet on Wilder, because they saw his knockout highlights and thought that he would KO Zhang

Most of them are wrong, and for us who were able to analyze this head to head match up, we see the huge advantage of Zhang in terms of weight. Team Wilder probably have their own plan on why they keep that weight for Wilder, but the boxer is not really the same guy anymore, he keeps losing and now it might be the end of his career. That odds for Zhang being the slight favorite would already tell something is wrong with the odds, it's a trap and of course those who just made their decision based on the highlights they saw would be easily fool, as the real value is on Zhang.

The odds on Wilder's victory were understandable, because Deontay is younger and before the fight with Fury was one of the best heavyweights in the world and his series of 42 wins without defeat and only 2 matches were without knockouts was phenomenal, but apparently two defeats from Fury broke Deontay mentally, because after that came defeats from Parker and now from Zhang Zhilai.
If Wilder finds a good psychologist, he has a chance to fight at a high level for a couple more years, because as a boxer he is already a phenomenon. Wilder came to boxing when he was 20 years old and then throughout his career he left no chance to his opponents. Unfortunately his team can't give him back his confidence and 4 defeats in the last 5 matches show that Wilder has serious psychological problems. 

I don't think that the psychologist can help him get over his mental problems and be back at his former self. As what we have seen, when he fought Fury he was really exposed as just one dimensional fighter who just rely on his power. Although in the first fight, he was able to score a knock down, but in the rematch it was different and that really take a lot, as hee had become someone else.

So we don't know what's his future, maybe he is now considering retirement. Now he is old, he can't just rely solely on his power, he needs to learn to be a boxer. But it's too late for him now.

The thing is that Wilder was a great boxer, skillfully used combinations, dominated the fight and almost always his opponents were knocked out, but now we have a different Wilder in front of us. It was immediately obvious that as a fighter he seemed to be broken inside, lost look and even when Zhang hit him for the first time Wilder did not defend himself after the missed punch, but for some reason appealed to the referee, while the referee did not stop the fight and it is logical that Zhang did not stop, but knocked him out with the second punch.
According to the rules a boxer is obliged to defend himself in any situation, especially when the referee does not stop the fight and it reminds the case that happened in the fight Ortiz - Mayweather, when Ortiz stood and waited for the referee to stop the fight after the first blow of Mayweather, but instead Mayweather knocked Ortiz out.

[South Park]

Wilder did not look good at all and I do agree that he should "retire", I do not agree that he should stop doing money fights, money is something we all need no matter who you are and if he wants to do exhibition matches then he should. I mean even Mike Tyson is having one at age 57, so it is not like Wilder should stop that much, just that he should not fight anyone serious ever again if you ask me.

One thing I did not completely understand was the fact hat he was saying something to the ref when he got that first punch, and because of that he wasn't ready for the punch that knocked him down, I do not know what was it, I mean Zhang didn't do anything against the rules, it was a normal punch, so why did Wilder didn't defended but said something? No idea what went there.

I do not know what he was arguing about either, but Wilder broke the most important rule when you are on the ring, which is to protect yourself at all times, and at least to me this is one of the reasons why he should retire, since it did not seemed as if he was taking the fight seriously enough when he had in front of him a capable fighter, and it showed as just the smallest distraction immediately lead to a KO, which is another reason why I think he should retire, it is one thing to lose a fight on the scorecards, but it is a completely different thing to get KO on a loss, as this will have effects over his health and he must also think about the quality of life he may have once he retires.

[Jating]

Wilder did not look good at all and I do agree that he should "retire", I do not agree that he should stop doing money fights, money is something we all need no matter who you are and if he wants to do exhibition matches then he should. I mean even Mike Tyson is having one at age 57, so it is not like Wilder should stop that much, just that he should not fight anyone serious ever again if you ask me.

One thing I did not completely understand was the fact hat he was saying something to the ref when he got that first punch, and because of that he wasn't ready for the punch that knocked him down, I do not know what was it, I mean Zhang didn't do anything against the rules, it was a normal punch, so why did Wilder didn't defended but said something? No idea what went there.

I do not know what he was arguing about either, but Wilder broke the most important rule when you are on the ring, which is to protect yourself at all times, and at least to me this is one of the reasons why he should retire, since it did not seemed as if he was taking the fight seriously enough when he had in front of him a capable fighter, and it showed as just the smallest distraction immediately lead to a KO, which is another reason why I think he should retire, it is one thing to lose a fight on the scorecards, but it is a completely different thing to get KO on a loss, as this will have effects over his health and he must also think about the quality of life he may have once he retires.

He was protecting himself at all times, but the problem is that Zhang uses his boxing IQ and Wilder was just caught by surprised here and we was not able to react as Zhang is known for his power in his left have. But he uses his lead right and Wilder didn't anticipate it.

And what he was thinking about getting up in 9 counts and still arguing with the referee? It's because he think that he can survived from that knock down but it will clearly visible that he doesn't have the legs and for sure if the referee allow him to continue, he might be sleeping in the canvass as Zhang is going in for the kill and will not give him any chance to win in this fight. So the odd makers are correct in predicting who will win and even the over and under round is perfect at 6.5. Unfortunately, I've seen some boxing fans still thinks that Wilder has a chance to pull an upset and bet on him at 2.6x++ odds, but Wilder was really a different fighter now and no longer in the prime version of 2018-2019.

[Rruchi man]

He needs a psychologist to help him accept his defeat and retire happily because he cannot go back to boxing and still expect to win.

If he retires like this without a psychologist, he will most likely end up with a very serious depression that may make him turn to chronic illicit drug use or develop some other habits because of his refusal to accept his present situation that he is not as fast and strong as he used to be.
I wanted him to win too, but these things happen in boxing and every other sport, and the longer it takes him to accept this, the bigger the mental problems for him.

[Questat]

He needs a psychologist to help him accept his defeat and retire happily because he cannot go back to boxing and still expect to win.

If he retires like this without a psychologist, he will most likely end up with a very serious depression that may make him turn to chronic illicit drug use or develop some other habits because of his refusal to accept his present situation that he is not as fast and strong as he used to be.
I wanted him to win too, but these things happen in boxing and every other sport, and the longer it takes him to accept this, the bigger the mental problems for him.

That's too much fall for him from the very top. He was a champion and now he is just an ordinary boxer getting defeated by a non popular boxer. It's up to him if he really wanted to heal from what he is feeling now because money is not a problem for him, so he can hire a professional to help him move on and live a wonderful life after retirement.

[Yaunfitda]

He needs a psychologist to help him accept his defeat and retire happily because he cannot go back to boxing and still expect to win.

If he retires like this without a psychologist, he will most likely end up with a very serious depression that may make him turn to chronic illicit drug use or develop some other habits because of his refusal to accept his present situation that he is not as fast and strong as he used to be.
I wanted him to win too, but these things happen in boxing and every other sport, and the longer it takes him to accept this, the bigger the mental problems for him.

That's too much fall for him from the very top. He was a champion and now he is just an ordinary boxer getting defeated by a non popular boxer. It's up to him if he really wanted to heal from what he is feeling now because money is not a problem for him, so he can hire a professional to help him move on and live a wonderful life after retirement.

I guess the point is not money, but depression and I think boxers and other athletes can fall for this mental healthy issues after they retire specially if they exited like this. A good example is Ricky Hatton, when Manny Pacquiao knock him out during their fight, he didn't box after that and he admit that he went into depression and did take drugs to help him heal, but it didn't and it just gotten worst. Fortunately, he was able to snap back and recover from it. Hopefully, this will not be the case for the Bronze Browner, but he has to admit that he is no longer in his prime and should retire a happy man for all the money that he had made already from this sports.

[inthelongrun]

Deontay Wilder should just retire IMO. But I can feel that he is a proud man and he might continue fighting. He already undergo several psychological tests and camps since his first loss to Fury in their second fight. And here he is, suffering his fourth defeat of his long career. Money is absolutely not a problem since his trilogy with Fury but I expect him to continue fighting.

Anyways, I am curious who's next for Zhang. Maybe AJ or Dubois? I want Zhang for AJ but maybe the Chinese is too dangerous while giving low reward.