The death of Iran president and seven others

[paxmao]

Protests against the government and against government actions are allowed in liberal regimes in general yes.

So you agree with me that US, UK, France, Germany, ... are not liberal regimes at all.

Those are your words not mine. You can protest peacefully in any of those countries. Can you in Iran?

 A different matter is if you try to violently impose something in those countries. Are you?

It is so simple: You are free to make your view known and convince others in most western countries, with very few limits. You are not free to damage property or injure others. In Iran you cannot make your view know, period.

That means that all this show of condolences means nothing, as there is no way of expressing any other view. I know you need to say something, but you need to find something realistic to say first. This comparison is ridiculous.

BTW, yellow vests protest on the price of gas mostly (interestingly, Iran coin is going down the pit with a 50% decline during your "beloved" president mandate. Yellow vests have 3 million members, most of them in the same physical condition as when they joined an free to speak and act peacefully as much as they want. If you start burning cars in the street or acting violently, you will get into trouble.

[pooya87]

You can protest peacefully in any of those countries.

Tell that to the 2000-3000 arrested students who were peacefully protesting the ongoing genocide in Palestine.
Or tell that to the 4000-5000 Yellow Vest protestors in Europe that have lost a limb over the past couple of years just because they wanted "economic justice" among other basic rights.

Your problem is that you've read some propaganda in Western mouthpieces (I'm guessing one of them has been BBC) and think you understand what is happening 6500 km away in another country while you don't even know what is happening in your own.

You are not free to damage property or injure others.

So does that rule only apply to UK or does it by any chance apply to other countries?
Maybe you don't consider people's shops that was burnt down as property because it was in another country? Or maybe you don't count banks as property? Maybe you don't count ambulances and firetrucks as property? As long as these things are being damaged in anywhere but UK!

How about hospitals? Maybe you don't count them as "property" as long as they are in Iran?
The below picture is the result of the terrorist attacks you referred to in previous page while insisting on using the word "peaceful" to describe them. The same project that John Bolton and many other Western politicians have confessed to being behind...


In any case, I'll stop here with only telling you that you don't know anything about Iran as long as you are reading some Western mouthpieces be it mainstream media or on social media. I'll stick to your own country and worry about what your own regime is doing if I were you

[paxmao]

You can protest peacefully in any of those countries.

Tell that to the 2000-3000 arrested students who were peacefully protesting the ongoing genocide in Palestine.
Or tell that to the 4000-5000 Yellow Vest protestors in Europe that have lost a limb over the past couple of years just because they wanted "economic justice" among other basic rights.

Again, you need to say something realistic. Please confirm that you are stating that 4000 people of yellow vests lost a limb due to undue police action. Next step is me asking for your source.

Please, confirm that you are stating that there are 3000 people arrested for peacefully protesting about the actions of Israel in Palestine. Feel free to put a credible source before I ask. Please note the difference between "detained" and "arrested".

Answering to your edit... you are aware that I live in my country (which may or may not be the US) right? You are aware that I do protest and say whatever I want and I have all my bodyparts in order?

BTW how many people in Iran protest when their government sells Shaed drones to Ruzzia? do they know?

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So does that rule only apply to UK or does it by any chance apply to other countries?
Maybe you don't consider people's shops that was burnt down as property because it was in another country? Or maybe you don't count banks as property? Maybe you don't count ambulances and firetrucks as property? As long as these things are being damaged in anywhere but UK!

How about hospitals? Maybe you don't count them as "property" as long as they are in Iran?
The below picture is the result of the terrorist attacks you referred to in previous page while insisting on using the word "peaceful" to describe them. The same project that John Bolton and many other Western politicians have confessed to being behind...


In any case, I'll stop here with only telling you that you don't know anything about Iran as long as you are reading some Western mouthpieces be it mainstream media or on social media. I'll stick to your own country and worry about what your own regime is doing if I were you

I think that you cannot speak or protest peacefully in public in Iran. do you disagree?

Feel free to answer without a picture, it is starting to make you look like a propagandist of the regime


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[pooya87]

I think that you cannot speak or protest peacefully in public in Iran.

Feel free to answer without a picture, it is starting to make you look like a propagandist of the regime

Facts are the enemy of truth.

So why shouldn't I post facts that contradict your posts? Your false claims based on truths manufactured by the mouthpieces you follow that are designed to "wash brains". Outlets that end up turning you into this, someone who says "show evidence" in one post and in another post below that says "don't show me any evidence" just because what was posted contradicted what the mouthpieces had told you initially and you want to continue believing that no matter what. This is also why you stooped to name-calling at the end, that's resistance in the face of facts.

[paxmao]

I think that you cannot speak or protest peacefully in public in Iran.

Feel free to answer without a picture, it is starting to make you look like a propagandist of the regime

Facts are the enemy of truth.

So why shouldn't I post facts that contradict your posts? Your false claims based on truths manufactured by the mouthpieces you follow that are designed to "wash brains". Outlets that end up turning you into this, someone who says "show evidence" in one post and in another post below that says "don't show me any evidence" just because what was posted contradicted what the mouthpieces had told you initially and you want to continue believing that no matter what. This is also why you stooped to name-calling at the end, that's resistance in the face of facts.

I guess is that if facts and truth are opposites in your world, we may have a difficult conversation here.

You do not have to answer. You just may want to.

Can you protest freely and peacefully in Iran?

Are people in Iran mostly supportive of selling the weapons that kill Ukrainians?

Are people in Iran mostly supportive of the Theocracy?

does people in Iran have a say and the possibility of changing the law if they think is not fair?

As said... you do not have to answer, sometimes silence speaks more than words.

[pooya87]

What's a local situation in another country has to do with you?

Why don't you tell me if all those people living under the British dictatorship in the remaining colonies OK with having an old dude ruling over them and robbing their resources?
Why don't you tell me whether all the occupied countries like Scotland OK with not having their independence after all these years?
Why don't you tell me whether English people are OK to sing an anthem that has nothing to do with their country and is just praising an old woman (I guess now an old man) someone they never chose to rule over them?
Why don't you tell me whether English people are OK with sending 2000 pound bombs to a terrorist organization that has murdered 35000 innocent civilians in Palestine over the past months?
Why don't you tell me whether English taxpayer are OK with sending between 2 to 3 billion pounds of their money annually to the Zionist regime guilty of 76 years of apartheid and genocide?

Those living in a glass house don't throw stones...

[Dunamisx]

We can have two opinions regarding this, its either we believed that its a death that occurs naturally or take it as a planned and framed incident to claim lives instantly without any trace, but one thing am rest assure of concerning incidents like this is that everyone of us will die and each person will receive the recompensate of what he have done, be it good or bad, life is very short and we must value lives more than power.

[paxmao]

What's a local situation in another country has to do with you?

Why don't you tell me if all those people living under the British dictatorship in the remaining colonies OK with having an old dude ruling over them and robbing their resources?
Skipping over the "dictatorship" term, yes they are, in fact many of them opted out along the years because is not a dictatorship - your information is 50 years old. You can see this list here. And I am not talking about a few... it is more like 50 countries!

Why don't you tell me whether all the occupied countries like Scotland OK with not having their independence after all these years?
Seriously?? Are you aware that Scotland celebrated a referendum just a few years ago and voted to stay

Why don't you tell me whether English people are OK to sing an anthem that has nothing to do with their country and is just praising an old woman (I guess now an old man) someone they never chose to rule over them?
Many of them are, the ones that are not are free not sing and can pacifically try to change the law with their vote. BTW the English monarch does not rule over anything, is purely ceremonial. You should have chosen the Lords, but they are quite careful not to upset the people:)

Why don't you tell me whether English people are OK with sending 2000 pound bombs to a terrorist organization that has murdered 35000 innocent civilians in Palestine over the past months?
Skipping over the numbers you are asserting here, many of them are not, they are free to protest and vote against the government for doing so in the upcoming elections.

Why don't you tell me whether English taxpayer are OK with sending between 2 to 3 billion pounds of their money annually to the Zionist regime guilty of 76 years of apartheid and genocide?
Skipping over the loaded assertions, many of them are not, they are free to protest and vote against the government for doing so in the upcoming elections.

Those living in a glass house don't throw stones...
Try to apply this to yourself. And throw away your 50 year old newspapers, unless you cannot get any now.

So now... are you going to keep sending Saheds to kill Ukrainians, that never ever lifted a hand against Iran?

[Uhwuchukwu53]

We can have two opinions regarding this, its either we believed that its a death that occurs naturally or take it as a planned and framed incident to claim lives instantly without any trace, but one thing am rest assure of concerning incidents like this is that everyone of us will die and each person will receive the recompensate of what he have done, be it good or bad, life is very short and we must value lives more than power.

It's inevitable truth about life, though is deeply disheartening to see this sudden incident happening when the nation is a little bit in organizing itself against any attack from it enemies, just one we need believe on what the media has out in place as the course of the accident as anything contrary may be of speculation and may course meharm instead of good. I believe more facts will showcase in appreciate time as politics keep entrenching  but one thing is sure that is a saying that I hold most that only the death can speak better one what take their life, I see facts in this saying more than what the living may speculate.

[kentrolla]

There are lot of rumours which is making rounds on internet but I don't think it's an assassination but rather due to bad weather and to be honest he was no saint to gain sympathy as he has signed thousands of execution orders in his early days and there was no need of anyone either Iran or Israel to have him assassinated. Let's just accept the fact and move on.

[SATWAT]

There are lot of rumours which is making rounds on internet but I don't think it's an assassination but rather due to bad weather and to be honest he was no saint to gain sympathy as he has signed thousands of execution orders in his early days and there was no need of anyone either Iran or Israel to have him assassinated. Let's just accept the fact and move on.

Social media mainstream media is full of memes and jokes about things related to Iran and USA with everyone is having his own view about this all but nothing is officially as we all know Artificial Intelligence can create more than we can expect, so maybe this is internal issue maybe this is from any other country with most chances it's all about weather and problem into helicopter which was carrying this late president.
Even Israel involvement is also possible but right now we can't talk about these all with just wait and watch hopefully all will be ok, and we will have no war or another conflict in this region which will stop this development which is happening for some time.

[paxmao]

There are lot of rumours which is making rounds on internet but I don't think it's an assassination but rather due to bad weather and to be honest he was no saint to gain sympathy as he has signed thousands of execution orders in his early days and there was no need of anyone either Iran or Israel to have him assassinated. Let's just accept the fact and move on.

I fail to see what is the difference between one president that is a puppet and some other president who is also a puppet. Perhaps I am oversimplifying this, but will anything change other than the guys who will get the money from corruption? Maybe not even that?

[tomos81]

It is true that seven people were killed, including the president of Iran. But my question is what did the security personnel do, since two planes returned in the misty four-five surrounded by rain, how come another plane was lost at the destination. Because what they did by satellite and the network was so weak, could not track the location anyway. The crashed plane was found after a few hours after the plane crashed. So what did the security personnel do for so long? Did they fail? Is it political murder?

[Hallroom]

There are lot of rumours which is making rounds on internet but I don't think it's an assassination but rather due to bad weather and to be honest he was no saint to gain sympathy as he has signed thousands of execution orders in his early days and there was no need of anyone either Iran or Israel to have him assassinated. Let's just accept the fact and move on.

Maybe it is common to you but you notice it is not common by any means. Please note that the three planes were together and took off simultaneously to arrive at the destination, but the two planes returned despite the fog in the airspace, but only the plane carrying Ibrahim Raichi and seven other people crashed. I think there must be mystery here, because his communication system with the country of Israel was not very good which caused it to kill in hostility. Because the plane that Ibrahim Raisi was on was made by Americans, that's why I think that this plane was planned and killed.

[pooya87]

The preliminary report was released by the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Iran. It's pretty much as expected. The sudden weather change, loss of visibility, colliding with the mountain, and finally crashing.

https://tn.ai/3091561

as he has signed thousands of execution orders in his early days

You mean the courts held for the members of an internationally recognized terrorist organization known as MEK that participated in slaughter of 317000 Iranians directly and indirectly during the full scale invasion of Iran in the 1980's?

No he wasn't directly involved in that legal process AFAIK and those weren't "execution order" those were a wide range of sentences according to Iranian constitution depending on the crime committed by the members of this terrorist organization.

The death sentences is issued for a terrorist that has for example placed a bomb in a hospital killing dozens of civilians, and that is a well deserved sentence. Other sentences like prison terms are issued for other crimes such as cooperation with the terrorists an the invaders like gathering intelligence on forces defending against the invasion, handing over hospital details to aid the bombing, ...

[paxmao]

The preliminary report was released by the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Iran. It's pretty much as expected. The sudden weather change, loss of visibility, colliding with the mountain, and finally crashing.

https://tn.ai/3091561

as he has signed thousands of execution orders in his early days

You mean the courts held for the members of an internationally recognized terrorist organization known as MEK that participated in slaughter of 317000 Iranians directly and indirectly during the full scale invasion of Iran in the 1980's?

No he wasn't directly involved in that legal process AFAIK and those weren't "execution order" those were a wide range of sentences according to Iranian constitution depending on the crime committed by the members of this terrorist organization.

The death sentences is issued for a terrorist that has for example placed a bomb in a hospital killing dozens of civilians, and that is a well deserved sentence. Other sentences like prison terms are issued for other crimes such as cooperation with the terrorists an the invaders like gathering intelligence on forces defending against the invasion, handing over hospital details to aid the bombing, ...

The narrative you are proposing is very interesting, but regarding of how accurate, it is likely that this person had many enemies so if it was not an accident, well, good luck with the investigation.

As said, it does not seem to change anything, some other similar guy will be there in a month.

On the helicopter, it was an US helicopter. Iran cannot (legitimate) get spare parts for an US made helicopter. Spare parts for planes and similar is a market well known for the false spare parts and the risk of using false spare parts. One could think that they may have been using "home made stuff" for repairs.

BTW will you stop sending Sahed drones to Ruzzia so you do not help kill Ukrainians?

[blckhawk]

I'd rule this out as an accident but not totally, we all know that Iran's not a friendly country to some big countries and we all know that there's people out there that would take the opportunity to pull a trigger if they ever see the President of Iran, I like to think that this is an assassination but made it to look like an accident, that's the only explanation to this and now that Ebrahim is out of the picture, I'm going to be pretty sure that they're going to make a lot of changes in the country.

[paxmao]

I'd rule this out as an accident but not totally, we all know that Iran's not a friendly country to some big countries and we all know that there's people out there that would take the opportunity to pull a trigger if they ever see the President of Iran, I like to think that this is an assassination but made it to look like an accident, that's the only explanation to this and now that Ebrahim is out of the picture, I'm going to be pretty sure that they're going to make a lot of changes in the country.

Yeah... of course... all problem in Iran are due to "external influence".

[yazher]

It's clearly caused by bad weather. Iran didn't want him dead. Israel did but I don't see a scenario where they could have done something.

Yeah! With that kind of scenario, no one would further investigate such cause of incident because it clearly shows how it ended up but because the victims are important people for their country, they would further make more investigations in order to fully prove to the public the real cause of that accident. Right now, there is no other chance to flip the real cause of it because there is no further evidence other than concluding it was an accident caused by bad weather. But surely those who were checking the weather conditions before the flight won't get away with it because of their inconsistency in checking the weather.

[Lukmanfirdaus1]

Who's updated with the news that President Ebrahim Raisi and seven other people were killed in an aircraft?

Do we describe this occurance to be an homicide or fatal aviation accident?
I'm just thinking maybe sometimes we should just look away from how media may twist informations because they're usually not sincere in revealing the reality to the public.

I don't really like conspiracies, it seems like this was an ordinary accident, the only thing that was different was that the passenger was a president. Besides, why would a president use a helicopter with outdated technology? I mean, hey, he's the president. At least he's using the newest helicopter made in Russia, maybe, they're friends. It's strange that such an important person doesn't use a vehicle with the highest security. But never mind, I'm sure this is an ordinary accident.