The death of Iran president and seven others

[AVE5]

Who's updated with the news that President Ebrahim Raisi and seven other people were killed in an aircraft?

Do we describe this occurance to be an homicide or fatal aviation accident?
I'm just thinking maybe sometimes we should just look away from how media may twist informations because they're usually not sincere in revealing the reality to the public.

[Beparanf]

Who's updated with the news that President Ebrahim Raisi and seven other people were killed in an aircraft?

Do we describe this occurance to be an homicide or fatal aviation accident?
I'm just thinking maybe sometimes we should just look away from how media may twist informations because they're usually not sincere in revealing the reality to the public.

As described on the news channel. It’s due to the bad weather which is convincing since multiple high officials casualties involved while other chopper land safely. Normally, all chopper will be brought down to remove potential evidence for the assassination yet the survivors never mention any hostility against them aside from bad weather.

This is crucial since they a recent tension against Israel while the president still have the say for nuclear progress.

[o48o]

Who's updated with the news that President Ebrahim Raisi and seven other people were killed in an aircraft?

Do we describe this occurance to be an homicide or fatal aviation accident?
I'm just thinking maybe sometimes we should just look away from how media may twist informations because they're usually not sincere in revealing the reality to the public.

I am certain that will rise some conspiracies, but i would go for occam's razor in this one because if you can't see 5 meters in a fog, you shouldn't go and fly helicopters next to mountains. Obviously people will try to make sense of it as something other than "act of god", but these things happen and conditions definitely support the idea of it being an accident. If they would be nobodies flying, no one would even blink twice before ruling it as an accident. But now it's going to be conspiracy because president chose to risk his life in a bad weather?

It's like the rich submarine guy who died in usa. No one believed it would be other than accident, even lots of people would benefit for his and his son's death.

[Cripple Dan]

It's clearly caused by bad weather. Iran didn't want him dead. Israel did but I don't see a scenario where they could have done something.

[darkangel11]

It's clearly caused by bad weather. Iran didn't want him dead. Israel did but I don't see a scenario where they could have done something.

If there's no reason, there's usually no outside involvement, but in this case there's such reason: a warning.
Iran has recently angered some powerful nations with basically unlimited resources, so I wouldn't be surprised if someone placed a small explosive device on that helicopter and waited for a good moment (bad weather) to detonate it. I'm talking about a micro device, the size that could cut a wire or sever a hydraulic connection. An IED the size of a coin.
If it wasn't an accident the Iranian side will probably want to keep it a secret anyway because they don't want the world to know their security detail had a mole, or failed to protect heads of state.

[Hispo]

I believe this could have not happened in a more unfortunate context, to be frank with you all... Inevitably, there will be people who will point out to Israel and even the United States as the authors of this incident, even though they did not have anything to do with it and was an accident/engine malfunction.
It would have been completely different if this happened in times of peace, when the news and the people from all around the world did not have their eyes stuck to the reality of what is going on in the middle east, now this is different.

All this mess could be translated into an escalation of the conflict if it is not handled with care by both the Islamic Republic of Iran and also the United States and its allies.

Let us hope and pray there will be no further accusations and no represals as a consequence of this happening.

[Ever-young]

Who's updated with the news that President Ebrahim Raisi and seven other people were killed in an aircraft?

Do we describe this occurance to be an homicide or fatal aviation accident?
I'm just thinking maybe sometimes we should just look away from how media may twist informations because they're usually not sincere in revealing the reality to the public.

As described on the news channel. It’s due to the bad weather which is convincing since multiple high officials casualties involved while other chopper land safely. Normally, all chopper will be brought down to remove potential evidence for the assassination yet the survivors never mention any hostility against them aside from bad weather.

This is crucial since they a recent tension against Israel while the president still have the say for nuclear progress.

Although you are right but it has came to my knowledge that helicopter doesn't just crashed like that even if the whether is bad but can only be crash by assassin's, that is either they have make a deal with the pilot or they plant a bomb in it, which might lead to the crashing because it can't just crashed without the notice of the pilot and then they will inform everyone to take hold of the parachute for someone to just survive.
Well it's only God that knows what really happened and what might prompt the the plan to crashed, because he can see beyond our sight, let's just pray for their souls to rest in peace.

[AVE5]

It's clearly caused by bad weather. Iran didn't want him dead. Israel did but I don't see a scenario where they could have done something.

If there's no reason, there's usually no outside involvement, but in this case there's such reason: a warning.
Iran has recently angered some powerful nations with basically unlimited resources, so I wouldn't be surprised if someone placed a small explosive device on that helicopter and waited for a good moment (bad weather) to detonate it. I'm talking about a micro device, the size that could cut a wire or sever a hydraulic connection. An IED the size of a coin.
If it wasn't an accident the Iranian side will probably want to keep it a secret anyway because they don't want the world to know their security detail had a mole, or failed to protect heads of state.

Possibly be that there could be conspiracies which might either be traceable in time or untraceable. But since it's not mentioned yet that it was a linkage of being a homicide action, let's not intend to fumigate falses but like I said, there're lot that the media are always keeping off from the public.
Sincerely expressed, the scenario doesn't detect ordinarily because there'd be chances to Suspended the flight during when they noticed the bad weather to be a safety barrier if that was the case.
Just you @darkangel11 has said, Iran has been engaged with enemies in both recent and previously which could result to the accidental occurances. Let's also not underestimate the power of governments being mean to achieve their goals. It's usually beneath how we expected it.

[naira]

Who's updated with the news that President Ebrahim Raisi and seven other people were killed in an aircraft?

Do we describe this occurance to be an homicide or fatal aviation accident?
I'm just thinking maybe sometimes we should just look away from how media may twist informations because they're usually not sincere in revealing the reality to the public.

I am certain that will rise some conspiracies, but i would go for occam's razor in this one because if you can't see 5 meters in a fog, you shouldn't go and fly helicopters next to mountains. Obviously people will try to make sense of it as something other than "act of god", but these things happen and conditions definitely support the idea of it being an accident. If they would be nobodies flying, no one would even blink twice before ruling it as an accident. But now it's going to be conspiracy because president chose to risk his life in a bad weather?

It's like the rich submarine guy who died in usa. No one believed it would be other than accident, even lots of people would benefit for his and his son's death.

I don't want to accuse but my heart says otherwise. Is this a coup? sabotage, or conspiracy so that the world will pay attention to this incident and the world's eyes will be focused on these 2 figures. Who will replace the interim president? Is there interference from his greatest enemy? Where are they? the media distorts the facts to cover up what really happened? Once again I had a lot of questions in my mind.

Iran top officials were not just once but more than 7 the target of assassination plans and all of them were successful, what's more, Iran was one of the countries that openly declared war on (both of them) when other countries turned a blind eye and ear. waiting 50 days after the president dies there will be a new nomination, and (both) have time to prepare a figure they can both control. Who (both) are these? I don't need to mention it and you will know. This is just an opinion that came to my mind because the media said that thick fog was covering the hilly areas. But did you know that the plane the president is on is always well checked, the thick smoke allows the enemy to hide and fires laser shots so no one detects him. So the big headline was published in the accident news.

Oh, did I go too far? I'll stop here and please give me a fact or a conspiracy!!

[tsaroz]

Every actions from inside and outside Iran suggest it's more likely an accident. Iran doesn't seem to be blaming anyone and no one are taking any responsibility of the incident. The president himself is actually a bad target even for the enemy of Iran.
The good side of the death of current president is Khamenie now have to chose another person. He's already at his old age and has a lot pressure within the ruling elites as well from the general public. To make the people happy, he might go with a moderate candidate that people would at least have some hope on.

[EluguHcman]

Who's updated with the news that President Ebrahim Raisi and seven other people were killed in an aircraft?

Do we describe this occurance to be an homicide or fatal aviation accident?
I'm just thinking maybe sometimes we should just look away from how media may twist informations because they're usually not sincere in revealing the reality to the public.

As described on the news channel. It’s due to the bad weather which is convincing since multiple high officials casualties involved while other chopper land safely. Normally, all chopper will be brought down to remove potential evidence for the assassination yet the survivors never mention any hostility against them aside from bad weather.

This is crucial since they a recent tension against Israel while the president still have the say for nuclear progress.

Although you are right but it has came to my knowledge that helicopter doesn't just crashed like that even if the whether is bad but can only be crash by assassin's, that is either they have make a deal with the pilot or they plant a bomb in it, which might lead to the crashing because it can't just crashed without the notice of the pilot and then they will inform everyone to take hold of the parachute for someone to just survive.
Well it's only God that knows what really happened and what might prompt the the plan to crashed, because he can see beyond our sight, let's just pray for their souls to rest in peace.

The saga blowing within the locality of Iran and those who are instigators to inflame chaos would always want to have the accident pointed on Israel due to the current crisis going on among the two countries.

It was confirmed that the helicopter was not intercepted in the air neither was there a match to say there was a launched attack on the helicopter during when it landed. https://l.kphx.net/s?d=4969006625157214672&extra=&g=56f2378cb897d447e33ad09744d806d3

So it is odd to say that there is a body responsible for the crash of the helicopter since it has not be verified and proven.
So I think it would be more healthier for the good of everyone to say it is either mechanical fault or the described weather conditions was the cause in the main time.

[Uhwuchukwu53]

It's clearly caused by bad weather. Iran didn't want him dead. Israel did but I don't see a scenario where they could have done something.

If there's no reason, there's usually no outside involvement, but in this case there's such reason: a warning.
Iran has recently angered some powerful nations with basically unlimited resources, so I wouldn't be surprised if someone placed a small explosive device on that helicopter and waited for a good moment (bad weather) to detonate it. I'm talking about a micro device, the size that could cut a wire or sever a hydraulic connection. An IED the size of a coin.
If it wasn't an accident the Iranian side will probably want to keep it a secret anyway because they don't want the world to know their security detail had a mole, or failed to protect heads of state.

Possibly be that there could be conspiracies which might either be traceable in time or untraceable. But since it's not mentioned yet that it was a linkage of being a homicide action, let's not intend to fumigate falses but like I said, there're lot that the media are always keeping off from the public.
Sincerely expressed, the scenario doesn't detect ordinarily because there'd be chances to Suspended the flight during when they noticed the bad weather to be a safety barrier if that was the case.
Just you @darkangel11 has said, Iran has been engaged with enemies in both recent and previously which could result to the accidental occurances. Let's also not underestimate the power of governments being mean to achieve their goals. It's usually beneath how we expected it.

Your right is good we stay in the lane if the news no matter the existing inflict weather open or hidden to avoid moving faster than our shadow been cautious and choose of right words in passing information is good , words have negative and positive implications in this case using the positive words is very important because this kind of losses is very painful and can trigger conflict if people speculate what is not verifiable as facts over the accident.

Even if there is anything contrary to the reported news I think is to work with it and allow more facts to be revail before saying anything that seem speculation.

[pooya87]

Do we describe this occurance to be an homicide or fatal aviation accident?

The evidence indicate this was an accident.

Namely the last photo of the helicopter lifting off the ground shows rather clear skies [1]. And the weather is known to change abruptly these days. For example where today where I live, for about 20 minutes at about 3:00 PM skies went completely dark as if it were nighttime and it rained heavily.
The sudden fog later that day looked like this[2].

Anything else being said on the internet with conspiracy theories are just attention hungry idiots trying to get views.

The only reliable source that can change this narrative is the Iran intelligence service. So speculating about it is pointless.

[1] https://www.jamaran.news/fa/tiny/news-1632168
[2] https://isna.ir/xdR8Fz

The good side of the death of current president is Khamenie now have to chose another person.

The president of Iran is elected by people's vote not by the leader. The leader himself is also elected through voting! He doesn't "choose" someone to be the president.

The dates for candidate registration, advertisement and the election date have all been set already. It's in about 50 days.

[Kelward]

Who's updated with the news that President Ebrahim Raisi and seven other people were killed in an aircraft?

Do we describe this occurance to be an homicide or fatal aviation accident?
I'm just thinking maybe sometimes we should just look away from how media may twist informations because they're usually not sincere in revealing the reality to the public.

I am certain that will rise some conspiracies, but i would go for occam's razor in this one because if you can't see 5 meters in a fog, you shouldn't go and fly helicopters next to mountains. Obviously people will try to make sense of it as something other than "act of god", but these things happen and conditions definitely support the idea of it being an accident. If they would be nobodies flying, no one would even blink twice before ruling it as an accident. But now it's going to be conspiracy because president chose to risk his life in a bad weather?

It's like the rich submarine guy who died in usa. No one believed it would be other than accident, even lots of people would benefit for his and his son's death.

Everybody is giving their own version of conspiracy theories that it could be Israel or USA, let's assume that the accident was planned to assassinate Iran's president, let's not forget that it can be an inside job, enemies within his regime or his oppositions could be behind it.

Until a concrete proof is ascertained that the accident was planned, I think that the whole world should just accept the unfortunate incident as what it is, an accident that claimed lives. People are reading meanings to this helicopter crash because it involved a notable individual, we should always remember that we've been hearing about plane and helicopter crashes before now, so it's nothing new.

[STINKYBEE]

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[moneystery]

this accident was quite strange, because how could a president travel using an ordinary plane without strict escort and security? this makes us question whether this accident was purely an accident or intentional by political opponents or people outside the iranian government. even though the position of president of iran is not very strategic, it is quite an important position in the country and many people are surprised to hear the news. but whatever it is, someone must have planned this accident, because the incident was so strange and raised many questions.

[Cossyblack]

It's clearly caused by bad weather. Iran didn't want him dead. Israel did but I don't see a scenario where they could have done something.

I don't think you're right,Iran president is the Most hated ruler in the middle East,he is a Tyrant and a cruel leader,the people of iran never loved him. He has been backing and financially supporting Several Islamic Militants/rebels that are causing havock/destabilizing the middle East. I think it was an assassination,the Israeli and United States might  been responsible for his death. Afterall who want a cruel leader to lead them.

[pooya87]

I don't think you're right,Iran president is the Most hated ruler in the middle East,

I sometimes wonder where some people get their information from that is so far from reality that it is hard to believe their accounts are real!

The only groups in "Middle East" that hate Iran, Iranians and their elected officials are terrorist organizations.
For example for the past day or so the remainders of ISIS, Israel, Al-Nusra (rebranded Al-Qaida) and smaller terrorist groups have been celebrating the martyrdom of the Iranian president.

On the other hand people and countries across West Asia have been in mourning. In fact many of them have announced between 1 to 5 days of "National Day of Mourning". The list includes but not limited to: India, Pakistan, Syria, Iraq, Turkey, Tajikistan, Lebanon, ... that's about a quarter of the world population by the way!

he is a Tyrant and a cruel leader,the people of iran never loved him.

That's another weird thing which I'd love to know what it's source is that is calling a democratically elected president a "tyrant"! Maybe they don't know what that word means?! Or maybe as I said the outlets you are following belongs to one of those terrorist organizations above that is giving you such weird information; in which case you should seriously rethink what sources you follow...

I'm just going to leave these two two pictures here.
This was Tabriz


And this was Qom in mourning accompanying the bodies of the beloved fallen officials as they travel through Iran to the capital (Tehran, tomorrow) and then to their final resting place


Any Iranian news outlet would contain a lot more pictures and videos similar to these from across Iran and its 85 million population.

[passwordnow]

I've seen this news and the market has reacted quickly, not only to crypto but the other markets as well. I don't know if had became positive or not and typically, the media has been playing with the cause of death. So, if the actual one is due to the fact that the bad weather was there, those that are against or hate the Iranian president, they'd twist the stories.

With all of the mourning of the iranian people, we symphatize with the loss of their leader and that only tells how much they love their beloved president.

Don't wanna be a conspiracy theorist, but these governments have technology that we can't even fathom exists. They spend million, billions of dollar into weapons, rockets, nuclear capacity but forgot to buy new helicopter?  as per report that the helicopter age was between 40 to 50 years old?

I haven't gone through all of the details of the flight but if it's actual the turbulence or bad weather, it's not questionable if it's already his time.

What was a turkish drone doing in Iranian territory in all that fog ? It's very possible that they took him down.

Now, this is another detail that I haven't seen. Anyway, a lot of different stories are coming but looking at the people united on a specific area declaring and joining the national mourning day speaks for itself on how they truly love their leader. But if the report and it's verified by the government of Iran that it's an accident, then that must be it and no new stories that have been twisted should come out.

[Hispo]

this accident was quite strange, because how could a president travel using an ordinary plane without strict escort and security? this makes us question whether this accident was purely an accident or intentional by political opponents or people outside the iranian government. even though the position of president of iran is not very strategic, it is quite an important position in the country and many people are surprised to hear the news. but whatever it is, someone must have planned this accident, because the incident was so strange and raised many questions.

Though, I must say that killing their political opponents while they are in the air is rather of the style of Vladimir Putin, not so much from someone like President Biden or the goverment of Israel, still the conspiracies will insue, there is nothing stopping them.
Also, it is not weird for a president of expresident to travel in an aircraft in the manner this guy did, he is not the first president to die in an apparent accident like this one, and he may not be the last.

Also, I am not so well informed on how politics are supposed to work in the Islamic republic of Iran, but is not the president rather a symbolic charge within the contry? does not the supreme leader of the republic hold all the power after all? This incident is indeed politically tragic, but it would have been something completely different and out of proportion if it was the supreme leader of Iran who died in that crash, instead of the president. One does not need to have a genius to reach such conclusion.