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May 21, 2024, 04:07:39 PM
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The crisis of Israeli society


                  "The moral choice turns out to be
                                 the most pragmatic"

                                                                          A. Sakharov

       From the first day, the construction of the State of Israel proceeded according to Ben Gurion’s slogan “it doesn’t matter what the goyim say, it’s what the Jews do that matters.” These words contain some trouble from a moral point of view, and if we consider that the goyim, according to the Jewish concept, are representatives of all other peoples, then there is an antagonism between the Jews and the rest of Humanity. How can one not remember the often heard “no one loves us.” Of course, the reason for the antagonism is not the creation of the state of Israel; it arose a long time ago and lies in a completely different area. (1) Demanding love is immoral! And accusing ICC Prosecutor General Karim Khan of anti-Semitism, who submitted a request for an arrest warrant for Prime Minister Netanyahu and Defense Minister Galant for war crimes, is not tactful, because the warrant is also being requested for more than three Hamas leaders.

      The Israeli-Palestinian conflict, accompanied by terrorist attacks and wars, has been going on for 75 years, and in my opinion, the fault lies with the UN in its fatal haste in making a decision on the creation of two states in Palestine. This fatal mistake was a tragedy for both Arabs and Jews. First, it was necessary to carry out explanatory work with the local population, introduce observers and international forces to the intended division border. Then it would be possible to avoid the forced eviction of Arabs not only from the territory intended for the Jewish state, but also from cities such as Jaffa and Acre, which, according to the UN map, are actually part of the Arab state, and, as a result, there would be no problem Palestinian refugees scattered throughout the surrounding countries.
     Israel, in the territory intended for an Arab state, is pursuing a settlement policy, as a result of which almost nothing remains of this territory.

 
     The Palestinians themselves live in apartheid conditions behind a concrete wall and barbed wire with the right to work on construction sites and plantations in Israel with special passes. True, during the tenure of Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, reconciliation of the parties almost took place, but all efforts ended with the murder of Rabin at the hands of a Jewish terrorist (2). It is important to note here that this murder, to be honest, was received with the tacit approval of the majority of the Israeli public, in whose minds the very idea of a state for the Palestinian Arabs is absent. Moreover, the myth of the inability of the Palestinian Arabs, unlike the Arabs of other countries, to create their own state is firmly entrenched in the minds of Israelis. (3) Hence it is clear why Netanyahu does not have a plan for the post-military structure of Palestine. The fact is that Netanyahu is between two fires. On the one hand, Biden, who expressed his opinion on the state of Palestine as the only possible option for establishing peace, on the other hand, the population of Israel has a completely opposite opinion. Netanyahu, who is accustomed to power and cannot imagine himself in any other form, is, it seems to me, ready for any option just to remain in his post. However, at this historical moment, with all his resourcefulness, he cannot escape the answer and is obliged, as the head of state, to have a clear plan, otherwise it is not clear why Israeli soldiers are dying every day, if everything turns out to be the creation of a Palestinian state, which has been directed against all these years Israeli politics.
      And yet, to see Netanyahu alone as being to blame for what happened is absurd. Where has Israeli society been all these years? In the end, elections to the Knesset are held fairly and look for blame in yourself, and not in the representatives of the people elected to power, who embodied the aspirations of Israeli society. In the article “When Conscience is Silent,” I warned that it would be a mistake if Netanyahu was in power (4), but what happened happened. It may well be that Netanyahu understood how it would all end, but the example of Rabin, who ignored the opinion of Israeli society, clearly did not suit him, as a person far from moral principles.

     Today Ben Gurion's thesis does not work. We have to take into account the opinion of the world community, which, through the UN, gave the Jews the right to create their own state. At the same time, Israeli society accuses the UN of being biased towards the Jewish state.
     The combination of political pragmatism and morality ultimately did not result in eclecticism and led to a crisis, which could initially have been foreseen if we take into account Sakharov’s prescient words about pragmatism and morality.

1. People's fate or every cricket has its own nest. https://alikbahshi.livejournal.com/28564.html
2. On the question of who killed Rabin. Israel. Our country. 04.12.96.
3. The main myth of the state of Israel. https://alikbahshi.livejournal.com/109378.html
4. When Conscience is silent. https://alikbahshi.livejournal.com/4464.html

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May 24, 2024, 04:07:06 AM
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Whatever happened in the past, the current war between Israel and Palestine is rather unfair. Because of how difficult the country of Israel has been at the behest of other countries, as far as possible, the Israeli leader continues to attack the Palestinian Muslims. Because they have shown the majority to the world at least a little and have shown some immorality in war. But I think this war should stop now.
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May 24, 2024, 01:07:57 PM
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The conflict violence in the Palestinian and Israeli territories is rising again. The conflict over this issue is not limited to Israel and Palestine but has spread to the world community. The Palestinian Arabs who still live in the fringes of Israel's settlements are being fought over by various militant groups. Palestinians now make up about 20 percent of Israel's population. The fact that Israel did not agree to this did not change the fate of the Palestinians who became refugees in their own country.

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May 24, 2024, 10:21:37 PM
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Whatever happened in the past, the current war between Israel and Palestine is rather unfair. Because of how difficult the country of Israel has been at the behest of other countries, as far as possible, the Israeli leader continues to attack the Palestinian Muslims. Because they have shown the majority to the world at least a little and have shown some immorality in war. But I think this war should stop now.
this war will be exactly like Ukraine war and the Russian war before it will come to end it will take more time so Israel is the one that will stop in fact between them and the Palestine or Palestine will agree on the rules Israel gave to them so that is the only way this work can stop ordinarily or any other country want to be I'm intermediary to this problem I think that the problem will continue to escalate more

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May 26, 2024, 05:20:32 AM
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Whatever happened in the past, the current war between Israel and Palestine is rather unfair. Because of how difficult the country of Israel has been at the behest of other countries, as far as possible, the Israeli leader continues to attack the Palestinian Muslims. Because they have shown the majority to the world at least a little and have shown some immorality in war. But I think this war should stop now.
this war will be exactly like Ukraine war and the Russian war before it will come to end it will take more time so Israel is the one that will stop in fact between them and the Palestine or Palestine will agree on the rules Israel gave to them so that is the only way this work can stop ordinarily or any other country want to be I'm intermediary to this problem I think that the problem will continue to escalate more

For me it's possible to stop the war if actually those who seem to be shadow members are removed because when look at the two nation you will see that in the there are some hidden catalyst from each allies who may not show up openly but aiding support indirectly and they may trigger each not to accept on some neutral ground other than certain condition. That is why I have seen confrontation as the worst system if peace resolution it takes life, properties and hardly stopped as expected, rigmac111 I am of no doubt in your saying that it might be like that if Ukraine Russia mist if NATO or UN sanction I have not seen it effects or how it impacts on the people as there is always more happening in the war war is very easy to engage on but takes time to stop.

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May 27, 2024, 12:21:52 AM
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Whatever happened in the past, the current war between Israel and Palestine is rather unfair. Because of how difficult the country of Israel has been at the behest of other countries, as far as possible, the Israeli leader continues to attack the Palestinian Muslims. Because they have shown the majority to the world at least a little and have shown some immorality in war. But I think this war should stop now.

Realistically, there has not been and there will never be a war without some degree of immorality and foul play going on for the sake of victory, in this case, it is obvious the Israeli government do not care for the safety of those civilians being trapped in the cross fired between Hamas and the IDF, there are even allegations of the targeting of civilians by the IDF.

To be, the real crisis within the Israeli society comes from the fact they have forgotten their original reason to exist: be a safe haven for the jewsing people which also being a democratic and liberal republic for people of all religions and ethnicity who managed to move there They have allowed themselves to drown in a sea of imperialism and an everlasting seek for territory and power, the Palestinian people are in their way, hence why they are the target.
they are not seeking for a peaceful convivence with their neighbors, they want all the room for themselves, while having the backing of the West.
it is very sad, how a country which is supposed to be an example of morality had become the opposite.

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May 27, 2024, 09:59:43 AM
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Whatever happened in the past, the current war between Israel and Palestine is rather unfair. Because of how difficult the country of Israel has been at the behest of other countries, as far as possible, the Israeli leader continues to attack the Palestinian Muslims. Because they have shown the majority to the world at least a little and have shown some immorality in war. But I think this war should stop now.
this war will be exactly like Ukraine war and the Russian war before it will come to end it will take more time so Israel is the one that will stop in fact between them and the Palestine or Palestine will agree on the rules Israel gave to them so that is the only way this work can stop ordinarily or any other country want to be I'm intermediary to this problem I think that the problem will continue to escalate more

Whatever happened in the past, the current war between Israel and Palestine is rather unfair. Because of how difficult the country of Israel has been at the behest of other countries, as far as possible, the Israeli leader continues to attack the Palestinian Muslims. Because they have shown the majority to the world at least a little and have shown some immorality in war. But I think this war should stop now.
this war will be exactly like Ukraine war and the Russian war before it will come to end it will take more time so Israel is the one that will stop in fact between them and the Palestine or Palestine will agree on the rules Israel gave to them so that is the only way this work can stop ordinarily or any other country want to be I'm intermediary to this problem I think that the problem will continue to escalate more

Like I would like to quote from the Op who has made a very clear point out of the turmoil bothering these axis as a result of the UNs inability to consider the chaos of what creating those states may result to in the future.
the fault lies with the UN in its fatal haste in making a decision on the creation of two states in Palestine
So Riginac111, I don't think if the Palestinians would agree to bow for the Israelites by staying off from the cause of this power tussles neither would Israel agree to back off.
The only remedy to this is for the same UN to come rightly into this to diague with the two parties because they're like the architect of of the whole scenario else I don't see this crisis ending soon

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June 01, 2024, 07:01:07 AM
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Whatever happened in the past, the current war between Israel and Palestine is rather unfair. Because of how difficult the country of Israel has been at the behest of other countries, as far as possible, the Israeli leader continues to attack the Palestinian Muslims. Because they have shown the majority to the world at least a little and have shown some immorality in war. But I think this war should stop now.

  The Palestinian people were unable to achieve freedom through political means. The peace process, which lasted for many years, ended with the assassination of Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin at the hands of a Jewish terrorist. The Palestinians have no choice but to achieve freedom through war. Without an army, they are forced to wage a guerrilla war, which, like any guerrilla war, is waged through terrorist attacks.
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