Is this forum getting worse and worse?

[Josefjix]

They said that you won't know what some people's have contributed to this forum until after they have left, and when some of the people's stated that, I was not believing, but now I'm 100% agree with that. Because since the time they banned those mixers, this forum just hasnn't attracted well, unlike before when the mixers still existed in this wonderful forum and everything was moving steadily. Now,  if we look at this forum, there's a lot of good topics, like before, when everyone only chose and created any thread they wished.

But if I may ask, are only those mixers that have contributed good threads for this forum? Why I am confused is that after they get banned, they are supposed to continue from where they stopped and begin contributing better threads and the importance things that this forum deserves, but nothing like that is the only thing that has been surprising me about this forum.

The incentive to post was a bit of motivation for some users, and it resulted in more activities and higher-quality discussions. The competition to be enrolled in such a campaign was high, so I would say the mixer ban had an impact on post activity because some reputable members who were posting more no longer post as much.

Aside from that, some of these mixers' participants are also making posts in the altcointalk forum, so they are no longer posting everything here.

[Synchronice]

I don't want to correlate this forum's comedown with the mixer ban, even though I've thought of it and it's likely one major factor, but what's the current picture of Bitcointalk according to you? To me, it's declining in genuine interest.

We're dealing with uninteresting topics. The "hottest" topic of discussion in the last months is Ordinals, followed by ETFs, and then an endless list of speculation-related threads, which were always a "thing" in the past, but gosh, that just seems like our sole concern nowadays.

Now, to that, add that we've lost valuable members, some of which were intellectually influential, and you have an Internet board filled with mostly crap. What's the problem?

It's logical if the hottest topic of discussion in the last months is Ordinals and ETFs, these two things are booming all over the world. When someone paints a pixelated dumb ape or dog or whatever dumbest thing it is and then they sell it for millions of dollars and get a money that's enough for comfortable life, everyone will definitely ask asking, what's life, how is that possible, why does the welder gets less money than the guy who drew pixelated staff and for sure, that becomes the hottest topic.


Yes, it's really noticeable when users like o_e_l_e_o leave, he was a super competent guy who always had the correct answer on every question, he is a huge loss. This forum needs to attract people like him but this forum is getting worse in terms that it's not upgrading software and user interface and young generation will probably completely ignore it, i.e. that will result in downfall.
At the moment I don't think that the situation is terrible, I only notice that o_e_l_e_o is not here but besides this, there isn't any significant worsening of the situation, this forum is still quite good, different and unique from others, I especially love the trust system here and the ability that businesses care about their reputation on this forum and many problems have solved because of this. Forum needs to use its own budget and upgrade and then things will go well.

[KingsDen]

Now, to that, add that we've lost valuable members, some of which were intellectually influential, and you have an Internet board filled with mostly crap. What's the problem?

This is a problem, but obviously we cannot solve this problem because it is a problem presented by nature. People must come and go.
Satoshi isn't here anymore;
Lazlo the pizza guy is no more here;
The I AM HODLING guy is no longer here;
And many more. Yet, the forum is still active.

When I was a newbie, I was looking upto people like;
Welsh;
LoyceV;
DdMrDdMr;
o_e_l_o_e;
DANNYHAMILTON;
Franky1
And others about the bitcoin technicals. Some are no longer active. Today BlackHatCoiner is a big name that newbies will look up to. People come and go, although the quality might decline but there must surely be one person(s) filling the gap. Few months ago, you nearly left, but surprisingly you made a u-turn, so we can be confident that some guys that left might come back. Let's see if the bull run can do this for us.

[SamReomo]

Now, to that, add that we've lost valuable members, some of which were intellectually influential, and you have an Internet board filled with mostly crap. What's the problem?

Yes, we have lost so many valuable members this year, some of them left us because of chronic diseases while others left this forum and world. I remember the times when Leo was a great part of this forum but now I hope where ever he is, he should be in good health. And, we also lost members like Light Warrior who used to be quite good at finding scammers and spammers.

The mixer ban has also contributed adversely to the current state of the forum and we all know what happened after that ban. Now, the privacy related services are facing tough times and that's also inversely affecting the forum and its members. I believe we still have some good and valuable members who are still active on this forum and who actively contribute good stuff here. But, not sure what the future holds for us.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

I don't want to correlate this forum's comedown with the mixer ban, even though I've thought of it and it's likely one major factor, but what's the current picture of Bitcointalk according to you? To me, it's declining in genuine interest.

How many users were participants of mixer campaigns? How can just a few users not having a campaign contribute to the forum getting worse. Don't you think it should be more than mixers getting ban and if really it's because of the mixers then it means we don't have that much real active uses on the forum as we are thinking but just a few hundred (considering it was just few hundreds that were participants of the mixers running their signature campaign on the forum). If the mixer ban reduce people engagement on the forum then so be it because at least now we'll be having genuine discussions and not people forcing it because they want to get paid.

We're dealing with uninteresting topics. The "hottest" topic of discussion in the last months is Ordinals, followed by ETFs, and then an endless list of speculation-related threads, which were always a "thing" in the past, but gosh, that just seems like our sole concern nowadays.

My response to this is that it's just this topics turn and this too will pass because I could remember when all the topics getting started were related to Bitcoin Halving and the high fees of Bitcoin but aren't having that anymore. When there's a trending topic, people tend to start topics in relation to that as there'll be more contributions and engagement to the topic because everybody is hearing/talking about it.

[Rruchi man]

We're dealing with uninteresting topics. The "hottest" topic of discussion in the last months is Ordinals, followed by ETFs, and then an endless list of speculation-related threads, which were always a "thing" in the past, but gosh, that just seems like our sole concern nowadays.

My response to this is that it's just this topics turn and this too will pass

It could be that everyone is experiencing a momentary lapse in creativity to create topics outside the current events, which can happen,

When there's a trending topic, people tend to start topics in relation to that

True, and also, if the trending topics or events are not so many, the few that are happening will be talked about a lot because that is where almost everyone is paying attention.

If there are more events, there will be more topics to discuss.

[PX-Z]

If there are more events, there will be more topics to discuss.

Indeed, but most "talked" discussion here are more forum related (recent mixer bans, events, etc.) outside topics can be discussed anywhere aside from here — Reddit and X (Twitter).

[muncuss]

well many people write here solely for monetary gain from signature, and then when the manager has really strict rule to write something in a sub which there is nothing new to write, people are expected to write a low quality post

[Josefjix]

When there's a trending topic, people tend to start topics in relation to that

True, and also, if the trending topics or events are not so many, the few that are happening will be talked about a lot because that is where almost everyone is paying attention.

If there are more events, there will be more topics to discuss.

Every trending Bitcoin discussion and development seems to be on X these days, I remember searching for the current attack on non-custodial and privacy by the US government on the Bitcoin discussion board and I didn't find anything related but took me only a few seconds to get all the info I needed on X and Reddit.

well many people write here solely for monetary gain from signature, and then when the manager has really strict rule to write something in a sub which there is nothing new to write, people are expected to write a low quality post

Chances of getting into a signature campaign is slim if you're not active on the gambling section these days, contributing to the low activities on other sections of the forum.

[Smartvirus]

Now, to that, add that we've lost valuable members, some of which were intellectually influential, and you have an Internet board filled with mostly crap. What's the problem?

The quality of the forum is defined by the people that exists within, their contributions as well as what their intent is.

Should the absence of mixers count towards any decline in having some users leave the forum, I hope it not be directly linked with not having to earn from certain promotions as, that would mean a loss to them. On the context of having the forum bend in some way, that I would see some reason but even more so, the forum is hosted in somewhere and it’s got to play by certain rules as, individuals are tied to it somehow.


From time to time, there would always be this and that shift but, there haven’t been unprecedented decline of users, we’ve still got so much quality to be proud of and it all depends on where your looking.

One of the Iconic exit was that of Lauda, it was the first but, hardly due to the fact that anything was just going to happen like the banning of mixers but, just an old timer haven’t spent a good memorable years here and chose to take a bow respectfully while ensuring the ID Lauda keeps its reputation and yet an emotional one from Leo. People really do love here just because they want to and it’s hardly based on that ban or that decision from the administration.

[Marvelockg]

I feel that times do changed and the more the year passes by, people's interest change giving way to the old and allowing the new ones come into the circle.

I guess there was once upon a time when the current quality posters we have on the forum were new and only made contributions that's in line with there level of knowledge and now they've grown in the system and others like us have joined behind and are still building our knowledge to the best of our abilities. I feel that it's a natural situation that's not just peculiar to this forum but also plays out in life in general.

The ban on mixer obviously played some role in the forum most expecially during it's early time but I don't think that's the main reason for a possible decline on the quality of topics we have on the board. I'm a regular visitor of my Nija local board, the speculation board and the beginers and help and to be very honest, the quality of post in each of these boards have improved better than they were at the time i become more active in the forum. The beginners and help board hasn't had lots of post that's like "I'm new here, I needed this help and I need that help". for those that are good at technical topics, it's understandable if some of the topics seems to be of low quality but it all goes to show the mix of knowledge we have on the forum.

As long as new people keep joining the forum almost on a daily bases, the quality of post will always be a mixture of low quality post and some sort of technical and high quality post. If we're hoping that this forum will join in playing a great role in Bitcoins adoption, then we have to face the reality that this kind of mix will always exist in the forum.

[qwertyup23]

Genuine question- do you think it is about time that the forum makes another "leap of faith" where it can improve on certain aspects and conveniences?

For example, one of the biggest jump that the forum made was the introduction of the merit system where it became controversial yet beneficial in combatting spams and bots on this forum. Additionally, the other big jump was the total banning and prohibition of mixers that caught a few off-guard but it was for the long-term improvement of the forum.

Do you think that creating a friendly "mobile" version of this forum or at least something interesting (e.g. a chat box, or any kind of improvement, etc.) would at least attract more users and entice the old members to stay relevant?

I also do think that we are now on the point of diminishing return- people are leaving and lots of spams and repetitive posts are being recycled. I genuinely think that it is about time that something must be introduced whether it be an improvement or a new system.

[Mayor of ogba]

Theymos didn't just wake up one morning to ban Mixer from this forum; it was an important decision he had to take to save this forum from falling since this forum was a threat to the government because of Mixer being promoted here. The government was against mixers, and it would be a bad thing if this forum kept promoting anything that had to do with mixers. So for the government not to come for this forum, Theymos had to ban mixers from this forum. Anyone who is in Thymos's position will not want this great forum to fall under his watch. I think the decision Theymos took against Mixer was one of the best decisions to protect this forum from the authorities. How will you feel if we cannot have access to this forum just because Mixer is being promoted here? Then we will be saying that Theymos should have banned Mixer long ago so that this forum will not be blocked or attacked by the government.

[blckhawk]

Probably the lack of people reading crypto news and stories that really matters is the big problem, most of the people that post topics that don't matter are usually newbies that doesn't really know any better and that they're just trying to get in. I guess it's a matter of us doing what needs to be done so we can keep the fresh content coming in, it's a really good thing that this thing has been pointed out, it's making sure that people are aware and hopefully, they will add some more substance to the discussion. Another thing that I'd like to point out is that the more the forum is introduced to more people then the more likely it is that we will get more shitposters but that's not a sure thing to happen.

[Z-tight]

Another thing that I'd like to point out is that the more the forum is introduced to more people then the more likely it is that we will get more shitposters but that's not a sure thing to happen.

Bitcointalk is not a darknet website, so you do not have to introduce people to the forum before the find it themselves, people can find the forum themselves if they browse about BTC and anything crypto related. That aside, new users joining the forum isn't a problem in my honest opinion.

it was an important decision he had to take to save this forum from falling since this forum was a threat to the government because of Mixer being promoted here.

I disagree, this forum isn't a threat to the government, and mixers and CoinJoin has not been declared illegal yet. However, i understand why Theymos did what he had to do, the constant attacks against privacy solutions was becoming worrying, and the forum may have been forced to provide any kind of info on some of its users in the future if any of them ever became a target, or maybe even the admin themselves could be the target and get subpoenaed.

[LoyceV]

Do you think that creating a friendly "mobile" version of this forum or at least something interesting (e.g. a chat box, or any kind of improvement, etc.) would at least attract more users and entice the old members to stay relevant?

I never liked "mobile" versions. This is a forum, most people on mobile write terrible short post (see what I did there?). You need a decent keyboard to save a lot of time posting. So I expect less quality posts if this forum becomes more mobile friendly.
A chatbox would be the opposite of a forum: chats usually aren't archived.

[philipma1957]

Do you think that creating a friendly "mobile" version of this forum or at least something interesting (e.g. a chat box, or any kind of improvement, etc.) would at least attract more users and entice the old members to stay relevant?

I never liked "mobile" versions. This is a forum, most people on mobile write terrible short post (see what I did there?). You need a decent keyboard to save a lot of time posting. So I expect less quality posts if this forum becomes more mobile friendly.
A chatbox would be the opposite of a forum: chats usually aren't archived.

yeah this is a dinosaur, but. who would go to see a fucking T-Rex feast on some pigs or steer at a Zoo.


I would love to that T-Rex in action. (note well aware of Jurassic Park and it other movies)

[Charles-Tim]

I never liked "mobile" versions. This is a forum, most people on mobile write terrible short post (see what I did there?). You need a decent keyboard to save a lot of time posting. So I expect less quality posts if this forum becomes more mobile friendly.
A chatbox would be the opposite of a forum: chats usually aren't archived.

I do not use laptop to type until my final year project in university. I used it for watching movies. I typed faster that time but slower compared to phone that I have been using since many years ago for chatting. The laptop got damaged before I registered an account on this forum. Presently, I have a mid range laptop which is very responsive but I still find it easier to type on phone while on this forum.

There are some browsers that makes it look like you are on laptop but you have to bold the posts and move the posts left and right but which I did not notice that I was doing so until I saw some people posted that this forum is not mobile friendly. I can not spend 30 minutes on laptop on this forum without my eyes been stressed already but my phone can make me last several hours without any effect even without dark mode and eye care. It is also a mid range phone but with a better AMOLED display. Posting is difficult for me on laptop probably because I was not used to it.

Mobile phone users we more, especially in developing countries. But what I think more about this is that more people are able to access this forum because of mobile phones just as more people have been able to access bitcoin, other coins and even gambling sites because of mobile phone. Mobile phones makes Internet activities to increase, including this forum as it makes more people to join. The more people are joining this forum, the more spam and low quality posts that we would see but there would still be some good posters.

This forum has been mobile friendly for me right from day one that I joined.

[Z-tight]

You need a decent keyboard to save a lot of time posting. So I expect less quality posts if this forum becomes more mobile friendly.

You are probably not used to mobile and that is why you think this is the case, people who are used to their mobile phones would type faster on mobile that on desktop. Now to the quality of posts, it surely does not depend on the device you use, but on what you have to say and contribute.

[mirakal]

Probably the lack of people reading crypto news and stories that really matters is the big problem, most of the people that post topics that don't matter are usually newbies that doesn't really know any better and that they're just trying to get in. I guess it's a matter of us doing what needs to be done so we can keep the fresh content coming in, it's a really good thing that this thing has been pointed out, it's making sure that people are aware and hopefully, they will add some more substance to the discussion. Another thing that I'd like to point out is that the more the forum is introduced to more people then the more likely it is that we will get more shitposters but that's not a sure thing to happen.

We can’t hold those people if they want to leave the forum and quit. There are still a lot of reputable members left that can contribute to the welfare of the forum. However, I also believe that the current problem is the lack of interest of learning new updates and news about cryptocurrency. It should be a necessity for all members in the forum to acquire knowledge every now and then and bring it into the forum since we all know learning should be taken everyday and not just when its only needed to, most especially that we are trying to retain the interest of the old and new members here, then let’s be responsible enough to do our part as a member in order to make this forum more alive and genuinely interesting.