How would the forum feel/react if Casinos were banned like Mixers?

[Filippo Spina]

Title.

Only hypothetically speaking, because that would literally never happen in a million years.

Right?

[Hazink]

How will the forum feel? I probably don't know. Does the forum have feelings? 
 
How will members react to that? I can only answer for myself. 
 
What will be the positive outcome? 
It will result in the forum being more boring than a lot of members have already pictured it to be due to a lack of high-paying campaigns. Some members are no longer as active and productive as they used to be.

[acroman08]

probably frustrated, also there could be a drastic decrease in activity in the forum, a lot of people who are currently active and posting on a daily basis are in a signature campaign that is being run by gambling casinos. so if casinos are banned from the forum, obviously, the signature campaigns they are running will close or be banned too and if there is no or very little signature campaign to join, I am certain a lot of people will be more reluctant to stay active in the forum if they cannot join the remaining signature campaign that is left.

[Filippo Spina]

How will the forum feel? I probably don't know. Does the forum have feelings?
 
How will members react to that? I can only answer for myself.
 
What will be the positive outcome?
It will result in the forum being more boring than a lot of members have already pictured it to be due to a lack of high-paying campaigns. Some members are no longer as active and productive as they used to be.

Yes, the forum definitely has feelings. Despite how many CHAT-GPT posts there may be, there are still several people here with very real emotions and feelings that will react negatively to casino's being banned. This is so important to discuss, and I feel it may have been overlooked when Mixers were banned? I can't say for certain because I was away for that time and didn't read anything/haven't caught up on anything since it happened.

And I agree with you again, where the answer to that question is heavily self-discovered. Everyone might have a different answer because of how intertwined casino's are into this forums user's daily lives.

I disagree with you about the forum becoming more boring without casinos. It will force users to explore and advertise trusted bitcoin tools. There are countless creative trusted tools out there that don't have signature campaigns going. There's some guy with a HYK (Hide your Keys) Avatar and idk if its a campaign or not, but you get what I mean. No casinos =/= boring.

probably frustrated, also there could be a drastic decrease in activity in the forum, a lot of people who are currently active and posting on a daily basis are in a signature campaign that is being run by gambling casinos. so if casinos are banned from the forum, obviously, the signature campaigns they are running will close or be banned too and if there is no or very little signature campaign to join, I am certain a lot of people will be more reluctant to stay active in the forum if they cannot join the remaining signature campaign that is left.

There are definitely veteran members of this site who just sit back and watch in disgust about how true this is. We should look to make the people that believed first happy they were believers and not crazy. One of our goals should be to give early adopters inner peace that their trust in satoshi wasn't in vein, ya know?

[PX-Z]

It might happen in the future, once it did, probably, forum's activity will go down drastically knowing that most campaigns are casino related.
Or once theymos decided that, maybe just ban all signature campaigns or disable signatures spaces.   

[Filippo Spina]

Or once theymos decided that, maybe just ban all signature campaigns or disable signatures spaces.  

I know you are joking, but that is scary because signature campaigns and signature campaign spaces make up the livelihood of so many forum users. They are also fun for users and bring users inner peace because they are doing what they love to do, which is get paid to talk about something they are very passionate about on the internet. Many people come here with the intention to make money online instead to learn first and then make the money.

[philipma1957]

Title.

Only hypothetically speaking, because that would literally never happen in a million years.

Right?

One day it could happen.

Maybe theymos is not young.

If I were in my fifties and was theymos know the forum funds are over 1,000,000 I may consider ending the forum .

I have no idea who theymos is or where he lives but I do know the forum has a decent amount of coin

it is pretty much a decent business because a lot of btc was hodl.

So when and how does theymos exit?

Maybe that should be a discussed topic for the future.

[Poker Player]

It is not a question of feelings and even less so because "the forum" is not an entity that can have them. I don't think that what one or the other may feel can be united if that were to happen.

Feelings aside I think we can talk about reactions. It would most likely accelerate the trend we see. Less posts, less traffic, and less discussion. There probably would be a sudden sharp drop the moment the ban came into force, which would be almost like banning signature campaigns in practice, since there is hardly anything left that is not casinos, and a campaign that just left us states that:

We feel that it is now time for us to forward our marketing efforts to the new areas.

[Apocollapse]

I disagree with you about the forum becoming more boring without casinos. It will force users to explore and advertise trusted bitcoin tools. There are countless creative trusted tools out there that don't have signature campaigns going. There's some guy with a HYK (Hide your Keys) Avatar and idk if its a campaign or not, but you get what I mean. No casinos =/= boring.

If you define "interest" is the discussion or conversation without looking at the traffic, then you're correct banning casinos will not make the forum boring. But, it doesn't mean they will explore and advertise Bitcoin tools, some users might creates drama and trolling around since they don't care anymore with their reputation. Why should they need to being serious and protect their reputation when they will not get paid a good amount of money anymore? another thing scammer will increase since they will take a loan without collateral and disappeared.

You can expect the forum will be like this board Serious discussion.

If I were in my fifties and was theymos know the forum funds are over 1,000,000 I may consider ending the forum .

I don't understand why we need to end the forum, it can still grow, especially there are many institutions trying to adopt Bitcoin.

[Filippo Spina]

I don't understand why we need to end the forum, it can still grow, especially there are many institutions trying to adopt Bitcoin.


Exactly. The forum does not need to die ever. This place is Evergreen and should never die ever. That would be awful for price of BTC. If I could move this thread to serious discussion, I would. 

[Baofeng]

I don't understand why we need to end the forum, it can still grow, especially there are many institutions trying to adopt Bitcoin.


Exactly. The forum does not need to die ever. This place is Evergreen and should never die ever. That would be awful for price of BTC. If I could move this thread to serious discussion, I would. 

Yeah, but admit it or not, there are members here who thrive on signature campaign as means to an end. And obviously, all campaign now are gambling related and if Theymos ban it many are going to be affected.

But it could still go and continue to thrive and we might see the old forum even before there was signature campaigns.

[Lucius]

Title.
Only hypothetically speaking, because that would literally never happen in a million years.
Right?

If you're asking hypothetically, then this topic would be more appropriate for another board, maybe off-topic?

Even if casinos are banned from the forum for some reason, that would mean that only those who are not here now because they are motivated solely by profit would remain on the forum. Undoubtedly, the number of active members would decrease, but that would by no means mean that the forum would cease to exist.

[LoyceV]

I'm not much into gambling, so I don't mind. It would actually stop a lot of spam from being posted.

I've always liked EV+ contests, but that's mostly a thing from the past. When it's EV-, doing the math behind it is enough to lose my interest. I'm not going to tell myself: "I can win", while I realize: "I'm more likely to lose". So I don't do it.

I don't expect casinos to be banned though. They've changed their business to be more compliant. When I joined Bitcointalk, casinos were "no KYC, anyone can join". Now, those casinos ban users from many countries to comply with local law.

[stompix]

There will be plenty of reactions
- a lot of members will suddenly go MIA
- a lot of users will suddenly realize that they are no longer fans of those football teams they've been posting news about for their quota for years and stop talking about it completely
- the gambling board will only be made up of people who actually gamble, which would be a real change
- probably it will cut both spam and usage on the same ratio
But more importantly, we will all start betting on the date theymos will implement kyc cause that would be the next obvious step

[Filippo Spina]

There will be plenty of reactions
- a lot of members will suddenly go MIA
- a lot of users will suddenly realize that they are no longer fans of those football teams they've been posting news about for their quota for years and stop talking about it completely
- the gambling board will only be made up of people who actually gamble, which would be a real change
- probably it will cut both spam and usage on the same ratio
But more importantly, we will all start betting on the date theymos will implement kyc cause that would be the next obvious step

I'm not much into gambling, so I don't mind. It would actually stop a lot of spam from being posted.

I've always liked EV+ contests, but that's mostly a thing from the past. When it's EV-, doing the math behind it is enough to lose my interest. I'm not going to tell myself: "I can win", while I realize: "I'm more likely to lose". So I don't do it.

I don't expect casinos to be banned though. They've changed their business to be more compliant. When I joined Bitcointalk, casinos were "no KYC, anyone can join". Now, those casinos ban users from many countries to comply with local law.

Alright. The big boys are here. I'm starting a poll.

Title.

Only hypothetically speaking, because that would literally never happen in a million years.

Right?

One day it could happen.

Maybe theymos is not young.

If I were in my fifties and was theymos know the forum funds are over 1,000,000 I may consider ending the forum .

I have no idea who theymos is or where he lives but I do know the forum has a decent amount of coin

it is pretty much a decent business because a lot of btc was hodl.

So when and how does theymos exit?

Maybe that should be a discussed topic for the future.

When and how did satoshi exit?  

See what I mean?

This world we live in is very pattern based.

"I have no idea who theymos is or where he lives"

Exactly. And he deserves all the freedom in world just like satoshi has/had. But like you said, conversation for another day for sure lol.

Also happy pizza day, everyone ^_^.

[Synchronice]

Title.

Only hypothetically speaking, because that would literally never happen in a million years.

Right?

At the moment, casinos are the only ones that have a long-term ongoing signature campaigns. If forum bans casinos, then there will be only one or two signature campaigns with limited number of participants and the competition will be one of the highest, ever. The payrate will probably be lower too.

I expect people to quickly turn into a drama queen. They'll start drama, start talking about how the freedom of speech is getting worse and more likely competitor forums will use this advantage to try and bring Bitcointalk traffic on their website, just like altcoinstalks did recently. Many people will leave this forum and the forum might die, it won't be as active as it is today.

By the way, there is a symbiotic relationship between this forum and the signature campaign. The forum increases their brand awareness and makes them popular and signature campaigns keep this forum active.

[uchegod-21]

Title.

Only hypothetically speaking, because that would literally never happen in a million years.

Right?

Nothing is totally impossible to happen. If it can be conceived, it can happen. With the recent exit of Bestchange, it can be seen that more than 97% of campaigns here are casinos. So, if casino campaigns are banned, that's actually the end of signature campaign in the forum.

I don't understand why we need to end the forum, it can still grow, especially there are many institutions trying to adopt Bitcoin.


Exactly. The forum does not need to die ever. This place is Evergreen and should never die ever. That would be awful for price of BTC. If I could move this thread to serious discussion, I would. 

How has this discussion gotten to the point of ending the forum. Who said the forum would be ended?

[Filippo Spina]

"How has this discussion gotten to the point of ending the forum. Who said the forum would be ended?"

Casinos = the forum right now

The forum = mass adoption

Casinos cannot make 97% everyone. All people who use bitcoin should also use the official place designated by the community to publicly discuss bitcoin. Ideally, it should still be bitcointalk.org. Forever. Out of respect for satoshi, for real.

Should I move this discussion to the gambling board so more people see it, or is that a bad idea lol?  

[Eternad]

Title.

Only hypothetically speaking, because that would literally never happen in a million years.

Right?

Obviously, the post quantity will be lesser that result to less traffic to the forum since online casino are the dominant industry here that contributes with signature campaigns market. Without them maybe some of this company will go to competitor forum since there’s already some forum that being use as an alternative for the banned campaigns.

But this scenario is really possible if ever money laundering becomes rampant on casino industry. This is just less chance to happened since casino has a strict KYC policy implementation to counter this possible laundering as much as possible.

[tranthidung]

Only hypothetically speaking, because that would literally never happen in a million years.

This forum is for Bitcoin discussion initially then its purposes and discussions expand to altcoins, other services include casinos. The forum will lose traffics but will not die if casinos will be banned and no longer appear here in Announcement threads or signature campaigns.

The forum is not only about casinos and signature campaigns.

History of signature campaigns

• Signature campaign: The lowest and highest payment BTC and USD in 2013-2022
• History - signature campaigns and bounties on Bitcointalk
• EVOLUTION OF SIGNATURE AD CAMPAIGNS (BEGINNING DAYS TO THE PRESENT)