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May 22, 2024, 11:57:09 AM
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Some investors are generally interested in buying more BTC at DIP prices and tend to sell during bullish times. But holding is more important because it will happen again and again when ATH is observed in the market with gap of few months. A bullish period is characterized by overall market optimism and expectations of higher performance for the future. Even offers higher returns than bearish ones. A bull market usually reflects the utmost confidence of investors that a person can align their investments in this positive trend. Increasing market value makes investors optimistic about the positive loop. These positive market conditions may prevent investors from being psychologically tempted to sell BTC. It can even discourage selling during market downturns. Many investment firms can build potential wealth by investing more during periods of BTC price appreciation.

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May 22, 2024, 01:02:15 PM
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The reality people who buy Bitcoin at the dip and sell during bullish is better than DCA and holding.

From the past 4 years, if someone can buy and sell at the right time, they can at least earn 12x since the price on 2020 was $5K and now it's $70K. If they're DCA-ing Bitcoin from 2020, they're only earn 2x-3x.

Trader is better than investor, everyone can become investor, but not everyone can become trader.

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May 22, 2024, 01:55:10 PM
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The reality people who buy Bitcoin at the dip and sell during bullish is better than DCA and holding.

From the past 4 years, if someone can buy and sell at the right time, they can at least earn 12x since the price on 2020 was $5K and now it's $70K. If they're DCA-ing Bitcoin from 2020, they're only earn 2x-3x.

Trader is better than investor, everyone can become investor, but not everyone can become trader.
From your example that you use from 2020 to 2024, the person will make profit if he sells fine no doubt. But where the DCA and hodli investor will make more profit than that trader is in the end of the second circle, because he has sold all his bitcoin and how much will he buy back in the bear market of 2025/2026. This is where hodlers surpasses a trader. A trader can sell and buy back to start all over again waiting for the bull to sell again.

An investor profit lies on the compounding profit from his bitcoin portfolio over time, because the price of bitcoin increases in value with time. Trading sucks and that is why it is not everyone that can be a good trader because of the stress and emotional trauma of the market, which can make you run at loss. A professional trader can still run at loss, but a long term hodler cannot run at loss, but will have a huge profit at the end of his bitcoin journey. Hodli and save for your future. Trade and gamble with your future.

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May 22, 2024, 02:08:17 PM
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It's really hard to control your psychology, emotion and action in either bear market or bull market. You need to practice, live in this market a long time to be experienced first, then be able to calm yourself in severe times of the market like bull or bear, crash.

Psychology of market cycles. The chart is very famous but how many people can understand it and can actually use it practically in investment and trading, there are very few people can practice well.



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May 22, 2024, 02:29:12 PM
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If you are an investor or trade you will always grab the opportunity when the market dumps but of course with the proper execution of the signals and analysis not all the time dip is already the bottom sometimes there's a follow-up on it so position where to buy is a must. Also if you are looking forward to the long-term goal of the bitcoin you can now make at least not the dip but also take the ride with the market hype and volatility and take profit once it gets satisfied with your unrealized pnl.

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May 22, 2024, 02:35:09 PM
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Well, from a purely pragmatic perspective of making more profit, it makes sense to buy low, sell high, then buy low again, as long as you can buy it for less than you sold it for. This way, a person can maximize the value if it's done properly. For example, one could buy at $4k in 2017, sell for $18k at the end of that year, and then buy again for, say, $10k in 2018, then sell for $60k in 2021, and so on. This reduces some of the risk because you can cash out when there's good profit, and then just way for the price to fall significantly to buy even more BTC.
But often it's just not worth it to spend time on looking for these patterns, so it's easier to just hodl or do DCA.

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May 22, 2024, 02:36:10 PM
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The reality people who buy Bitcoin at the dip and sell during bullish is better than DCA and holding.

From the past 4 years, if someone can buy and sell at the right time, they can at least earn 12x since the price on 2020 was $5K and now it's $70K. If they're DCA-ing Bitcoin from 2020, they're only earn 2x-3x.

Trader is better than investor, everyone can become investor, but not everyone can become trader.

We Bitcoin holders don't always worry about price ups and downs, is being a trader forever profitable? Of course not, is being an investor or holder of Bitcoin for a long time profitable? 100% yes. Tongue upss

both are equally good and have their own targets, advantages and disadvantages. As long as you put yourself in the position of a trader who makes a profit then there is no need to devalue investment just because it is a matter of 1x, 2x and so on. After all, you cannot force investors to become traders and vice versa. If it is felt that traders are better, why do the richest people in Bitcoin prefer investment over traders?

Sometimes comparing investments and traders will be endless. Do what you like investing, trading or whatever with bitcoin, if you are looking for profit. Just realistic, right?

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Some investors are generally interested in buying more BTC at DIP prices and tend to sell during bullish times. But holding is more important because it will happen again and again when ATH is observed in the market with gap of few months.

Everything about the market buy and sell is on a continuous process and we are also investing without affording to miss out on any earning opportunity alongside, each of the market season is when the people invest and set priority on what they want to do as well as how they are interested in going about it, all these happens because they are sure of making profits at the cause, after which they have invested and hold.

It can even discourage selling during market downturns. Many investment firms can build potential wealth by investing more during periods of BTC price appreciation.

Everyone trading or investing will be desperate about making profits, it all depends on the purpose for our investment, if we are going long or short, or maybe intended for making trades which some also understands the risk and requirements for doing that.


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May 22, 2024, 03:26:58 PM
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The reality people who buy Bitcoin at the dip and sell during bullish is better than DCA and holding.
I don't think those who sold during the bull season are better than the DCA holder. They are just simply traders though we can categories them as long term holders but their initial investment plan was to sell off at any slight bull so their aren't going to make as much profit as those who would be using the DCA and continually accumulating for a longer term. Yes these investors also have a target, but they over look the bull most times and continue holding. Just like @Frankolala said, they would have to buy once again but at a higher value compared to when they had first bought and this to me is going to be loss for them but to the DCA holders it would be profit as they already have a lot of coins piled up and waiting for what ever x market they were waiting for.

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It's really hard to control your psychology, emotion and action in either bear market or bull market. You need to practice, live in this market a long time to be experienced first, then be able to calm yourself in severe times of the market like bull or bear, crash.

Psychology of market cycles. The chart is very famous but how many people can understand it and can actually use it practically in investment and trading, there are very few people can practice well.



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Practicing and living in the market allows you go through the emotions, because you will be experiencing the ups and downs of the market flows from when it is bullish to when it is bearish, which will help build your psychology. Investor try to be too emotional at the first stage of their investment, just as the OP said that some investors will Buy the Dip and sell immediately they see bullish signal, but they are forgetting that, that same process will happen again and again till there is a new ATH. So for me I would say I will allow them to go through the emotions so that at the end of the day, they can learn on their own, because some of them seem not to understand holding for a long term is more profitable.

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We Bitcoin holders don't always worry about price ups and downs, is being a trader forever profitable? Of course not, is being an investor or holder of Bitcoin for a long time profitable? 100% yes. Tongue upss
Of course traders aren't always make profit and never loss.

But, technically if the traders can always buy and sell at the right time, the profit is way more higher than investors. While @OP explains like becoming investor is more profitable than trader.

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If it is felt that traders are better, why do the richest people in Bitcoin prefer investment over traders?
Either they already have too much money and they want to enjoy their life or they have a way to make more money than become trader.

Just like @Frankolala said, they would have to buy once again but at a higher value compared to when they had first bought and this to me is going to be loss for them but to the DCA holders it would be profit as they already have a lot of coins piled up and waiting for what ever x market they were waiting for.
Let's illustrate.

We both have $1K to invest in Bitcoin, you bought Bitcoin at $5K on March 2020, so you own 0.2 BTC.

I also bought Bitcoin at $5K on March 2020, I own 0.2 BTC.
Next year I sold my coins at $60K, now I have $12K.
I wait for few months, then I bought Bitcoin at $30K, now I have 0.4 BTC.
After next few months I sold my coins at $60K, now I have $24K.
At the end of 2022 I bought Bitcoin at $15K, so I own 1.6 BTC.

So which one make more money at the end?

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Let's illustrate.

We both have $1K to invest in Bitcoin, you bought Bitcoin at $5K on March 2020, so you own 0.2 BTC.

I also bought Bitcoin at $5K on March 2020, I own 0.2 BTC.
Next year I sold my coins at $60K, now I have $12K.
I wait for few months, then I bought Bitcoin at $30K, now I have 0.4 BTC.
After next few months I sold my coins at $60K, now I have $24K.
At the end of 2022 I bought Bitcoin at $15K, so I own 1.6 BTC.

So which one make more money at the end?
I don't understand your explanation, you are always selling at 60k which is not possible. The only time that you can sell at 60k was in 2021 after you bought in 2020,because bitcoin price was at 69k in ATH. After that the price of bitcoin dip to 16k in 2022 October. And after that time, it is this year that we saw 60k price so when will you sell again at 60k price apart from 2021.

The person that bought bitcoin in 2020 with you and didn't sell but continue to DCA since then till now, will be in a big profit compare to you selling and buying. No one knows the right time to buy bitcoin in order to make profit, because no one can predict correctly the price of bitcoin, if not all traders will be in profit and everybody will be a good trader.

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Some investors are generally interested in buying more BTC at DIP prices and tend to sell during bullish times. But holding is more important because it will happen again and again when ATH is observed in the market with gap of few months. A bullish period is characterized by overall market optimism and expectations of higher performance for the future. Even offers higher returns than bearish ones.

Unless you're a very lucky person and have a good awareness of the market, it isn't always easy to buy at the right time and also sell at the right time. The idea of buying and selling Bitcoin (trading) and redoing it for profit is mostly achievable on paper and not a reality which makes it an impossible task to achieve by an average user. I know some people do achieve this but that's why I said unless they're very lucky it can't always be achievable but when you're hodling, everybody that takes this investment path gets the same results. During the bullish market, the advantage there is the price of Bitcoin will always increase so you don't necessary have to time the market right but just buy some Bitcoin and hodl them safely.

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These positive market conditions may prevent investors from being psychologically tempted to sell BTC. It can even discourage selling during market downturns. Many investment firms can build potential wealth by investing more during periods of BTC price appreciation.

Some ignorant investors don't care if the market is bullish or not, they'll always sell out of fear that the bull market mightn't last long. If the market is having a correction, you'll find many investors selling and this make them to not be part of the future beneficiary of Bitcoin gains. Investment firms are filled with smart investors and they know the best time to accumulate Bitcoin is during its downtime and that's why you'll always find them accumulating when the market is down but we don't follow their footsteps instead we think we're smarter and always chasing after the market when it's increasing and if we're to profit we can't compare ours with those that bought when Bitcoin was having a downtime.

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Practicing and living in the market allows you go through the emotions, because you will be experiencing the ups and downs of the market flows from when it is bullish to when it is bearish, which will help build your psychology. Investor try to be too emotional at the first stage of their investment, just as the OP said that some investors will Buy the Dip and sell immediately they see bullish signal, but they are forgetting that, that same process will happen again and again till there is a new ATH. So for me I would say I will allow them to go through the emotions so that at the end of the day, they can learn on their own, because some of them seem not to understand holding for a long term is more profitable.
It is not everyone who is in the Bitcoin space that has the patience to hold for a long time. Some of them are short-term traders who monitor that market to make profits immediately after the market becomes slightly favorable. But I also agree that some newbies are just so impatient and this might be attributed to a lack of experience. As they spend more time in the ecosystem, they will understand that there is no need to make hasty decisions.

The reality people who buy Bitcoin at the dip and sell during bullish is better than DCA and holding.

From the past 4 years, if someone can buy and sell at the right time, they can at least earn 12x since the price on 2020 was $5K and now it's $70K. If they're DCA-ing Bitcoin from 2020, they're only earn 2x-3x.

Trader is better than investor, everyone can become investor, but not everyone can become trader.
The question now is how will you know the right time to buy or sell to make maximum profit like you illustrated? Bitcoin trading is risky and unpredictable which could lead to unexpected losses. It is easier to say that traders make more money than hodlers but the this is not always the case. Bitcoin hodlers make money in a less stressful and risky conditions.

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The reality people who buy Bitcoin at the dip and sell during bullish is better than DCA and holding.

From the past 4 years, if someone can buy and sell at the right time, they can at least earn 12x since the price on 2020 was $5K and now it's $70K. If they're DCA-ing Bitcoin from 2020, they're only earn 2x-3x.

Trader is better than investor, everyone can become investor, but not everyone can become trader.
Well, I could say it’s a wise option but I guess holding as well most especially if you start buying and holding at its dips, will definitely turn into a massive profit, not just 2x-3x but somehow it could reach more than that especially if bitcoin price surprises us with a new all time high. Although buying at its dips and selling at the bull run will always promise highly significant profits, but more than that, holding your coins and leaving it in your wallet for like 10 years, I think it will enable you to reap highly exceptional profits in the long run. Bitcoin price is unpredictable, so it’s hard to determine its right time to buy and sell at a short term.

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Some investors are generally interested in buying more BTC at DIP prices and tend to sell during bullish times. But holding is more important because it will happen again and again when ATH is observed in the market with gap of few months.
In my opinion, if you have made significantly enough profit then you can already sell and take out your money. What would be the best is to take profit and then buy again during a correction or a dip. Time is always and should be considered when doing this strategy. You need to find the perfect times otherwise not only are you wasting your money but also your opportunities.

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The reality people who buy Bitcoin at the dip and sell during bullish is better than DCA and holding.

From the past 4 years, if someone can buy and sell at the right time, they can at least earn 12x since the price on 2020 was $5K and now it's $70K. If they're DCA-ing Bitcoin from 2020, they're only earn 2x-3x.

Let me quickly point out some things that makes your position on this matter more of theoretical than reality. First of all, when is the right time to buy and sell? Can you know it in real time or just in hindsight? The chances of buying at the bottom and selling at the peak is extremely low. If you can shift your analysis back to 2016/2017 and use a case of someone who have been accumulating through the DCA without selling and someone who have been buying in bear season and selling in the following bull season, you will easily see that the long term investor will be extremely rich by now whereas the person buying and selling would have even invested most of his proceeds in other businesses such as real estate, reason being that he will not want to keep the money in the bank or stablecoins where it will be yielding no profits.

Trader is better than investor, everyone can become investor, but not everyone can become trader.
Both the traders and investors are investors because they put their money in expectations for some rewards. The only difference between both, if that is actually what you are inferring, is that those called traders are short term investors who buy and sell within a very short period of tile while the investors are long term traders who hold their Bitcoin for a very long period of time before they consider selling. Whichever case, there is buying and selling which make both traders as well as investors.

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What do you mean, being a trader is better than an investor because traders can make a profit as long as they trade consistently? If that is true, for me the profits obtained by investors are greater, of course long-term investors who use the DCA method as their strategy.

Being a trader is better than an investor because not everyone can do it? It's true if you look at it from that way of thinking. If seen from another perspective, everyone wants to play it safe with a smaller level of risk so they don't want to trade in Bitcoin. I choose to be an investor rather than a trader.

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Some investors are generally interested in buying more BTC at DIP prices and tend to sell during bullish times. But holding is more important because it will happen again and again when ATH is observed in the market with gap of few months. A bullish period is characterized by overall market optimism and expectations of higher performance for the future. Even offers higher returns than bearish ones. A bull market usually reflects the utmost confidence of investors that a person can align their investments in this positive trend. Increasing market value makes investors optimistic about the positive loop. These positive market conditions may prevent investors from being psychologically tempted to sell BTC. It can even discourage selling during market downturns. Many investment firms can build potential wealth by investing more during periods of BTC price appreciation.
the thing is that during a bullish season Bitcoin always have advantages for people or who investing it that is why you receive any investors who invest in Bitcoin that will be probably like  enters bitcoin to the bullish season anyone who is into cryptocurrency always like to hold their bitcoin until the price of the Bitcoin in the market increases so the advantages they get during the time Bitcoin or cryptocurrency increases is that the market will it be appreciated and whatever thing they invested will it be appreciated more than double so that is why it is good for bitcoin to increase during when we hold

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Some investors are generally interested in buying more BTC at DIP prices and tend to sell during bullish times. But holding is more important because it will happen again and again when ATH is observed in the market with gap of few months. A bullish period is characterized by overall market optimism and expectations of higher performance for the future. Even offers higher returns than bearish ones. A bull market usually reflects the utmost confidence of investors that a person can align their investments in this positive trend. Increasing market value makes investors optimistic about the positive loop. These positive market conditions may prevent investors from being psychologically tempted to sell BTC. It can even discourage selling during market downturns. Many investment firms can build potential wealth by investing more during periods of BTC price appreciation.
What do you mean by a period of BTC price appreciation, is that mean a bearish trend, well we call it the accumulation phase which comes after the bull season, in the bearish cycle. That's the best time to invest your funds in BTC and do DCA if you don't want to do a lump sum. And then wait for the next ATH which comes near the next halving. This time comes before the halving. Well the point is, holding definitely have more potential and rewards in compared to the general investors who sells and buys more often.

I used to trade but did not get much profit, but when I started to hold funds for longer period of time, I started to see positive results, I first started in future trading, later left it as it is not for newbies, now when I do trading in spot, future looks like a sitting duck which I can take easily but when we are in trade our emotions are the main thing urging us to react, that's the main thing we should have control on. Even if market is going up or down, holders won't react to them because they have set a time in there mind for how long they will hold, and that's why they don't even see the market's behaviour, sometime they don't even know market was down or up.

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