Work From Home or The "Laptop Class" is Immoral or Not?

[AmoreJaz]

I just watched a video talking about Laptop Class where Elon sees working from home as moral issue. Curious to know what your take on this kind of view because there are actually people who also agree with him.

I do not really accept Elon Musk's opinion on this. Working from the office can be more comfortable for people who have high positions and good office space, but not for those who spend a lot on transportation to work and do not have a comfortable working space in the office.
Elon has refused to accept the change that the pandemic brought to the work sector and even if he does not accept it, working remotely is here to stay. In people's home to make working remotely more serious, most remote workers have created a special space in their homes for working, maybe a separate room or corner.

Now that a lot of people especially freelancers experienced the comfort and benefits of WFH set-up, I don't think they will be convinced to go back to the traditional method of going to the office. I can agree that in some jobs like if you are working in the lab or you are in a technical position, most of the time, you need to report in your actual place of work. But for people who are now working remotely, I am certain that most of them will keep this kind of arrangement.

[Maus0728]

Work from home is a really good way for employees to become productive about their work, the debate that it's making people lazy isn't true because if it was then, how come those companies that were doing it during the pandemic were thriving or was able to survive or maybe even increase their profits despite being a work from home is the norm for most workers? There's already a study that was published if I recall that it made more employees happier or the company made more money during their stint with the work from home set up.

The real reason that they're saying that work from home set up is bad for the company is because of people the real estate value of the buildings that those companies were built into are lowering in value since there's not a lot of people that are using it, they want you and every employee to go back there so the property will get it's value back up, that's all there is to it. If you're talking about online classes for children, it's a really bad idea for kids to learn that way, it's been proven already in my country that those that did get to experience online class are quickly promoted to the point that they end up being non-readers or their learning levels aren't suitable to the school year that they're in.

[spindotbetcasino]

With technology allowing us to work from the comfort of our homes and being productive, hitting our quotas, and helping the company grow, I do not see why wouldn't the companies allow this setup. It is very helpful to the employees who do not need to commute and be stuck in traffic, which they can instead use to bond with their own families or use this saved time anywhere they want to. Work from home setup, in my book, is just a net positive for all.

[pooya87]

I find Elon very annoying and unfortunately he is a "celebrity" and as one they keep asking him to comment on anything and he does and most of the times his opinions are nonsense. We already know his opinion about Bitcoin and how wrong it was and still is.

But to answer your question, why are we even discussing "morality" when it comes to a job? A job is a job and as long as it is not hurting anyone, I wouldn't even discuss morality of it.

We can only discuss about usefulness of a job for the society and when it comes to working from home or any other job I would say  it depends on the job. The location from you work does not determine the value of your work, what you do does. For example those Youtube "celebrities" who are creating nonsense and get a lot of views aren't doing a useful work, but at the same time those Youtube content creators making educational videos do. Both of them work at home, usually.

[btc78]

What is he saying lol

I don’t think it’s morally wrong to be able to work from home. Yes not everyone can work from home but I don’t even think everyone wants to work from home. Yes it saves on a lot of things and there are multiple benefits to working from home but some people like to get their hands dirty and not sit in front of a laptop all day.

If you want to work from home and you have the chance to do it then grab that opportunity and don’t think for one second that it’s morally wrong. You are not responsible for what other people go through. If you stop working from home, how will that benefit those who want to work from home but can’t?

[Catenaccio]

I find Elon very annoying and unfortunately he is a "celebrity" and as one they keep asking him to comment on anything and he does and most of the times his opinions are nonsense. We already know his opinion about Bitcoin and how wrong it was and still is.

But to answer your question, why are we even discussing "morality" when it comes to a job? A job is a job and as long as it is not hurting anyone, I wouldn't even discuss morality of it.

If by "Working from home", the "Laptop Class" can help to reduce pressure on energy consumption and other costs, it will contribute to help the environment. Less pollution and good reduction on global warming and climate change.

I don't know there are scientific research on it but it's my belief. Because if those "Laptop Class" people don't come to coffee shops to do "Work from home" or "Remote work", these shops will still use electricity, air conditioners and so on. Having more people do "Remote work" at those shops can help both companies and the shops to maximize their cost and benefit for their business operations while can contribute to reduce to environment.

We can only discuss about usefulness of a job for the society and when it comes to working from home or any other job I would say  it depends on the job. The location from you work does not determine the value of your work, what you do does. For example those Youtube "celebrities" who are creating nonsense and get a lot of views aren't doing a useful work, but at the same time those Youtube content creators making educational videos do. Both of them work at home, usually.

I agree. Like leo who farewelled us months ago, his posts by remote work actually helped many forum members with very valuable contributions. Your posts in Bitcoin technical board are also educational and helpful too.

[avikz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1h0ejcJrXc

I just watched a video talking about Laptop Class where Elon sees working from home as moral issue. Curious to know what your take on this kind of view because there are actually people who also agree with him.  And some don't of course. It could be different in the Bitcoin community, just a Yes or No poll to answer, and sure thing it will be good to share your opinion on why you chose Yes or say No.

Elon Musk is not making sense in this! I don't understand why working from home is a moral issue! Probably it's just an Elon thing that we commoners fail to understand.

There are multiple jobs where commuting is not necessary. The deliverables can be achieved without any dependency on the employee location. What's moral or immoral in here?

[Stablexcoin]

Flexibility is the greatest advantage of working at home. Apart from your working time, you have full control over the rest of the activities you need to do without anyone questioning you or calling you back to work. Work from home has been adopted by so many and it started during the pandemic. I believe that it is a moral standard because I have seen people who work from home living a well-fulfilled life. They have good morals, nice communication skills and they have discipline. It is not easy to maintain consistency working from home without anyone guiding or managing you.

[shield132]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1h0ejcJrXc

I just watched a video talking about Laptop Class where Elon sees working from home as moral issue. Curious to know what your take on this kind of view because there are actually people who also agree with him.  And some don't of course. It could be different in the Bitcoin community, just a Yes or No poll to answer, and sure thing it will be good to share your opinion on why you chose Yes or say No.

Isn't it a moral issue when you have billions of dollars, pump and dump crypto like it's a yo-yo toy? I am a UI/UX designer and I work remotely, thank god I have that opportunity. I simply learned good and perspective profession, worked days and nights to learn it, to gain experience and to get the job and now I get comfortable work, flexible working hours and a good salary. I'm sorry that many people have to work 12-hour shifts for much lower salary but what can I do? If I start a business, I'll try to offer my employees a high-paying salary. If Elon Musk feels that people like me are immoral, he has to think about unused billions of dollars that he has and that can change the fate of hundreds of thousands of people.

[AVE5]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1h0ejcJrXc

I just watched a video talking about Laptop Class where Elon sees working from home as moral issue. Curious to know what your take on this kind of view because there are actually people who also agree with him.  And some don't of course. It could be different in the Bitcoin community, just a Yes or No poll to answer, and sure thing it will be good to share your opinion on why you chose Yes or say No.

I'll say Yes based on experience, during the COVID-19 at when there was the observation of social distances, my aunt who works from home with her laptop instead working from the office was being too lazy to execute her daily tasks and for that, she had been accumulating those tasks til it becomes difficult for her to wrap up before the summary days within the week and month.

She sleep most time on the laptop and she hasn't been concerned of looking good such as wearing makeup and putting on her good dresses just because there'd be no one to be impressed. Even when her boss needed her urgent need, she's usually not on the system to respond so quick as demanded.
But these are unlike when she works from the office.

[Promocodeudo]

The nature of you job determines where your work should be, though the Internet has made it possible for us to work from anywhere, understanding differs as far the work and individual do is legit and permitted by his employers, I don't think working from home should be frowned at,  in some cases some people prefer going to the office because of discipline, it is a usual thing for someone to procrastinate if he or she is working from because one may say after all am at home i cant deliver anytime, the only way to discipline individuals that work from home is to give the deadline at such they will be more cimmited to their job than ever, in contrary an employee can also procratinate in the office too, it all depends on the individual involved, in all, what matters is dedication, when someone is dedicate and passionate about what he or she does, it wouldn't matter if they work from home or not hence their required assignments is been carried out as expected.

[o48o]

Just because Elon has his empires and his one of the richest if not the richest of them all, his words are all not always wisdom. Well, just as how we're doing right now here, we've got our opinions on this WFH/WAH setup. We can base our opinion on the studies and not with his perspective because he's the owner and we as employees have a different perspective that he might or the other company CEOs won't understand. Let's take it from studies like this means that productivity and performance of workers have increased from working from home.

Well, rich ≠ wisdom...

Elon didn't become rich by being a flagship for morality or wisdom, but in fact, for being ruthless, which is pretty much synonym for immoral.

I am not sure if he was always like this, or this this just ketamine speaking, but for being such a poster boy for rich people, he sure makes lots of obvious financial mistakes. I know now he affords to make them more, but he seems to make them now from out of spite against what ever he thinks is "wrong". As some sort of middle finger against elite he actually represents and trying to desperately prove he is right while everyone else is wrong. Even though he wouldn't know what he is talking about.

And one doesn't even need to be that bright to realize that he doesn't know what he is talking about most of the time. When someone is against huge majority of studies and experts in their field and avoids details like a plague when talking about science, it's pretty easy to draw conclusions.

We have this myth that you need to be smart and wise to make money, and assumption that everyone wants to be rich by any means necessary, which makes people to defend all his weird ideas and saying he can't be wrong about anything because he is rich. Like it would be some sort of 5d chess.

[Volimack]

Working from home is a very good way many times it is seen that people get stuck due to various problems and are late to go to office so with the help of laptop they can finish office work easily at home no one has to wait for that. I think working from home is ideal and when companies give employees this opportunity employees will be happier and morale will increase. No one could go to the office during the corona period everyone completed the work sitting at home.

[dunfida]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1h0ejcJrXc

I just watched a video talking about Laptop Class where Elon sees working from home as moral issue. Curious to know what your take on this kind of view because there are actually people who also agree with him.  And some don't of course. It could be different in the Bitcoin community, just a Yes or No poll to answer, and sure thing it will be good to share your opinion on why you chose Yes or say No.

I'll say Yes based on experience, during the COVID-19 at when there was the observation of social distances, my aunt who works from home with her laptop instead working from the office was being too lazy to execute her daily tasks and for that, she had been accumulating those tasks til it becomes difficult for her to wrap up before the summary days within the week and month.

She sleep most time on the laptop and she hasn't been concerned of looking good such as wearing makeup and putting on her good dresses just because there'd be no one to be impressed. Even when her boss needed her urgent need, she's usually not on the system to respond so quick as demanded.
But these are unlike when she works from the office.

This is something that would be situational because we know that there are workers which are really that too lazy specially on the moment that they are really that in the convenience of their own home
on which on the moment that you are on such condition then you would really be that confident that you can be able to finish all the pending works you do have and since you do know that you do have all the time and the moment that you could be able to do such work then it would be normal that one day you would be getting shocked on the time that due date is approach or the complying date is near. Just like on what i have said that this is something that will really be that depending because work output will really be still submitted on a particular date whether you are really that working remotely or going into offices.

If there were study or statistics shows about having that improved about efficiency and productivity then it wont be shocking that employers would really be that definitely be sticking into which
productivity has increased then it would be no brainer for that. Just like on what we do all know that technological advancement becomes even more better then works could really be done remotely.
For those people who are really that hired on having this kind of job then it would really be that good and convenient which without needing to go into office on which a bit hassle
and you would really be needing to battle on day to day traffic.  

[aioc]

I agree with Kevin O'Leary in that video that the world on his opinion that the world is changing and the economy is changing so many economies were saved because of the work-from-home model because of COVID and so many companies all over the world are using the work-from-home model and it is a case to case and country to country basis.

In our country alone we adopted the work-from-home model because of the traffic problems in our urban areas just imagine one worker spending 5 hours commuting from home to work and back and forth, it saves a lot of time and money for the the company, the worker and the government as well, as it will ease up traffic.
A study here in our country proves that working from home makes the worker more efficient.

[Frankolala]

It all depends on the kind of job that you are doing that will determine if working from home is not moral or not. If it is a job that you don't need to be in the office and it does not affect the productivity of the company, it is cool and the best. Jobs like website design and maintenance. We have so many jobs that are best done online as we are moving most services to be online.

However, if it is a field job or a construction job, or jobs that needs the present of the employee for his duties to be carried out effectively and efficiently, then such person needs to be at his place of work, whether office or in the site. Work from home helps the employee to manage his salary very well.

[moneystery]

i don't really agree with this, because issues related to morals have further implications for individuals and discussing it just because of wfh or laptop classes is quite excessive. because in some cases, working or studying online is much more effective and efficient, because not all lessons or work need to be completed offline. for example, in my city, until now offices and schools are regulated by the government to make their students or employees work online once a week, to reduce traffic jams and the carbon footprint resulting from people's travel. this is really effective and the plan is to extend it in the future.

indeed, at one point, working or studying offline is more effective, but at one time the online world is just as effective, and we don't need to exaggerate to say that this is a moral issue.

[target]

Surprised to see someone voted Yes lol.
I have nothing against Elon but he is just not making sense here. Because some people go to the office or stand on the manufacturing line to do their job, he also wants people to go into the office and do the work there. If it can be done online then it's an option. Not sure what he is trying to make people do.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

I just watched a video talking about Laptop Class where Elon sees working from home as moral issue. Curious to know what your take on this kind of view because there are actually people who also agree with him.  And some don't of course. It could be different in the Bitcoin community, just a Yes or No poll to answer, and sure thing it will be good to share your opinion on why you chose Yes or say No.

The world doesn't revolve around what Elon musk thinks, working from home can't be immoral, working from home makes work less stressful and more relaxing. Working from home is also more productive and doesn't put limitations on how many work people can do remotely. Working online has made people to be able to work from different geographical location in the world and still delivering a perfect job. Maybe Elon musk doesn't like the idea but that doesn't make it immoral or wrong. He has his own thinking and I'm surprised by him saying this because with the help of some of the technology that he's improving on, working from home might become more common.

Lets consider people that do some jobs online and get paid in Bitcoin or other cryptocurrency, this won't have been possible if everybody has the thinking of Elon musk. He thinks in a way that isn't normal and doesn't go in accordance with the rest of the world. He's a genius no doubt but not everything that a genius says that should make sense to us because they can make mistakes and this is one for those times. The world is going digital, we can't stop the need for the spread of remote jobs.

[passwordnow]

Just because Elon has his empires and his one of the richest if not the richest of them all, his words are all not always wisdom. Well, just as how we're doing right now here, we've got our opinions on this WFH/WAH setup. We can base our opinion on the studies and not with his perspective because he's the owner and we as employees have a different perspective that he might or the other company CEOs won't understand. Let's take it from studies like this means that productivity and performance of workers have increased from working from home.

Well, rich ≠ wisdom...

Elon didn't become rich by being a flagship for morality or wisdom, but in fact, for being ruthless, which is pretty much synonym for immoral.

I am not sure if he was always like this, or this this just ketamine speaking, but for being such a poster boy for rich people, he sure makes lots of obvious financial mistakes. I know now he affords to make them more, but he seems to make them now from out of spite against what ever he thinks is "wrong". As some sort of middle finger against elite he actually represents and trying to desperately prove he is right while everyone else is wrong. Even though he wouldn't know what he is talking about.

And one doesn't even need to be that bright to realize that he doesn't know what he is talking about most of the time. When someone is against huge majority of studies and experts in their field and avoids details like a plague when talking about science, it's pretty easy to draw conclusions.

We have this myth that you need to be smart and wise to make money, and assumption that everyone wants to be rich by any means necessary, which makes people to defend all his weird ideas and saying he can't be wrong about anything because he is rich. Like it would be some sort of 5d chess.

IIRC, with his story and interview, he said that it was NASA that was able to save him and his empire by having that $1B deal on them. Anyway, there's always the entitlement from these successful people but even with their money, it doesn't mean wisdom to us. We understand how it is to be in the bottom and for sure that he do as well. But he's forgetting that he's standing on a higher ground where most of the people won't get there and he has to realize that sooner.

And that's why his thoughts and opinions won't be aligned to us and that statement about working from home will he never understand because he's an owner of various companies that he owns. Well, moving on. I don't want to dig no more about his attitudes and characters. It's just more about his stand about working from home that we don't agree with him with. The rest, let alone everyone understand criticize him the way he's doing things and how he acts like child.