Work From Home or The "Laptop Class" is Immoral or Not?

[Wexnident]

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When tf did morals come into play in work? Pretty sure CEOs don't bother thinking about that when they throw pizza parties instead of paying their employees proper salaries lol. Plus, the goddamn dumbass argument of trying to make it a moral issue. A plumber working from home? Really? That's the best argument you can come up with? Jesus Christ I know in some aspects you're a genius but holy fuck stop arguing about morals you suck at it.

Sure, if people who were wfh were indeed plumbers, sure, argue that they're not supposed to be working on site. But it's not lol. Most people wfh are on the logistics sides of things. It's really dumb how people invent things to make life easier yet said same people refuse to use said inventions to make life easier.

[poodle63]

it depends on the job of course it the entire job can be done from remote working I think there's nothing wrong from it, personally I'm on the favour of working remote, no need to have higher carbon foot print traveling just to do the same exact thing that can be done from home, its overall the more efficient way to work and also to save the planet if you know it can also reduce gas needed for transportation meaning it will reduce our overall expenses.
from his opinion you can see from elon perspective that he probably feels wasting money on people that work from home.
but honestly if job is done then it should be okay, i don't understand with these big companies that demands more just for the sake of demanding, maybe the higher ups will feel a lot more productive seeing their employees working together in one place while in reality it absolutely is unnecessary.

[yhiaali3]

I do not understand whether working via the Internet using a laptop has anything to do with the Immoral issue or not? Work is work, whether it is through direct presence in offices or via the Internet.

As long as you do the work required of you honestly and the employer gets exactly what he wants and at the required time, why is the issue unmoral? What is important is the result, and the employer will not pay you the wage unless he obtains what is required.

On the contrary, office work can sometimes be unmoral, as employees can waste time uselessly and intentionally delay work in order to get paid when they achieve the required working hours.

[kryptqnick]

I think Elon Musk is wrong here. Working from home isn't a moral high ground but it's not immoral either. It's not a moral issue. Some jobs require physical on-site presence, for others it's completely useless and many jobs are in between. If a job can be done efficiently from home, working from home should be an option. As for essential service work that can't be done from home, maybe the world should pay more for those jobs to compensate for this need.
Working from home remains popular and highly desirable by many people, and there's nothing wrong with that.

[bittraffic]

Elon has bolder things to say other than that, Just today I saw a news about him saying jobs will become a ‘hobby’ as he predicted the future of work and AIs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXBz6Jf_PwM

This is because of the AI and the anchor added that if the robot took your job and you don't like your job, you can dedicate your life to what you're passionate about. This is scary for all those working class.

[dezoel]

I also don't agree that working from home is morally wrong as long as the worker is giving their 100% even from home. Understandably, some people might misuse the opportunity and become less productive when they are working from home, but if someone has a complete office set up at home, has no disturbance while they are working, is always productive towards their work, and never lacks behind, I don't see any problem with such people working from home.

It should be morally wrong if a person working from home starts losing productivity and the company can see a significant change in their work and behaviour or seriousness towards their job and responsibilities. There is also nothing wrong with someone working on-site as long as the commute isn't a very big problem for them.

[Strongkored]

Obviously he said that because he is a businessman and what he wants is for all his employees to sweat to get to the office and work according to the standards he sets, but he forgets that when talking about effectiveness, even working from home will still be effective depending on the individual, the person responsible it won't reduce the quality of his work just because he can freely do it at home, but irresponsible people will be ineffective even if they work from the office, so which is better? clearly, the person is responsible and wherever he works the quality will remain the same, and working from home can reduce stress because he has to spend more time getting to the office because of traffic jams, so working from home is a good thing if it is done by the right person and the world is experiencing many changes that must be accepted.

[macson]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1h0ejcJrXc

I just watched a video talking about Laptop Class where Elon sees working from home as moral issue. Curious to know what your take on this kind of view because there are actually people who also agree with him.  And some don't of course. It could be different in the Bitcoin community, just a Yes or No poll to answer, and sure thing it will be good to share your opinion on why you chose Yes or say No.

in my opinion working using a class laptop is not an immoral act, every person has a reason for that, there are those who don't feel comfortable when working at home and there are those who feel very comfortable when working using a class laptop but when you steal that class laptop or damage it but if you don't want to be responsible for fixing it, that's an immoral act.

[tsaroz]

As a person who have worked from home during pandemic and now going office again, what I realized is I'm more productive when I'm at a formal setting. It could also be associated with habit or persona discipline but when I work from home, I barely get the job done, I also procrastinate more and finish the job only when I'm required to.
When I'm at my office table with my office computer, my mind and body works like a machine, I get things done quick, am able to parallel process many task and completes task as soon as I can. I don't have anything to distract me and don't even check my phone once. While if I were at home, I would have a lot of distractions.

[retreat]

From the entrepreneur's side, maybe most of them don't like this because working from home reduces the productivity of their employees and communicating is easier if employees are on site, and for that reason many companies prefer to call all their employees back to the company to work directly from there. However, this is only a matter of professionalism and linking it to moral issues is perhaps irrelevant. Because whether they work online or not, someone who works must be required to be professional in their work and they must understand that they are being paid, so they must obey the company's rules - whether they need to work online or offline, they must remain professional .

[Gozie51]

I just watched a video talking about Laptop Class where Elon sees working from home as moral issue.

Musk is using AL to replace human effort in work place and he can't feel it is a moral issue when someone works on his laptop from home so long the person is productive and delivers as according to his assignment schedule. If he is bringing down human labour and using robots, then he should also consider the moral issues there when he has succeeded to take food out of people and their families. Also by doing such lay offs, it means he has also contributed to the numbers of people who would be at home and try to find a job or work from home for themselves.

I don't see any morality question on this. To stay at home and work is facilitated because of the technological advancement globally and people take advantage of it to be at any location to reach the world, advertise their goods and services through digital connectivity. So what is the moral issue that working from home has created... Working from home was made popular from the COVID-19 pandemic where people avoided contacts with others making them work distance. Now, even offices have found patronage from online customers, goods and services are more comfortably delivered online. Therefore, working from home is not because of laziness but talking the opportunity that technology creates for different types of businesses to thrive.

[bluebit25]

I haven't answered because the choice of answers is really limited and no matter which way we talk, we're probably discussing someone's personal opinion and it's not perfect.

Just like the moral issue is based on a means of work, this way of reasoning is not complete because we are born and raised with a lot of capital established from the beginning and also the process of contact with life depends on perception to see.

Regarding work, I think it still belongs to the person doing the work, like it's just a means. I still want to talk about the knife when it is used in the kitchen, or as a deadly weapon, so we cannot say that the knife lacks ethics. So the way the problem was posed from the beginning was an expression of opinion, so there was no answer to those answers.

[iv4n]

Musk is using AL to replace human effort in work place and he can't feel it is a moral issue when someone works on his laptop from home so long the person is productive and delivers as according to his assignment schedule. If he is bringing down human labour and using robots, then he should also consider the moral issues there when he has succeeded to take food out of people and their families. Also by doing such lay offs, it means he has also contributed to the numbers of people who would be at home and try to find a job or work from home for themselves.

You are right, it's hypocritical of Elon to say that working from home is immoral while he's building AI & robots. Billionaires seem to go crazy at some point, probably a lot of money goes to their heads and they get some weird ideas.

There's nothing wrong or immoral in working from home on a laptop, if the work is such that it can be done that way, why not? I think it's silly to talk about whether someone will be more productive in the workplace or while working from home, we are all different... I believe that people who feel comfortable and know how to organize their time can be just as (if not more ) productive while working from home. Again, it depends on the person, we are not all the same. Elon talks a lot and says a lot of smart things, but sometimes (like now) he gets a little carried away.

[Kemarit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1h0ejcJrXc

I just watched a video talking about Laptop Class where Elon sees working from home as moral issue. Curious to know what your take on this kind of view because there are actually people who also agree with him.  And some don't of course. It could be different in the Bitcoin community, just a Yes or No poll to answer, and sure thing it will be good to share your opinion on why you chose Yes or say No.

I voted for NO, and I have to disagree with Elon. Yeah, times have changed post-pandemic, and as long as the workers can do their work for the company at home then there is no issues about WFH. It's about doing what you are being paid for, regardless on where you are working. And Elon can't compare it to people who serves coffee or in a physical store because that's their business, they are client facing and so they really need to be upfront everyday.

And remember that this WFH is not a new concept, back then when I work in a company, we have privileges wherein we can do work from home already. And it is perfectly fine. Also there are jobs that you can do at home without interacting. Or if you need someone then send them an email and for sure your job are not going to be affected.

[bestcoins1]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1h0ejcJrXc

I just watched a video talking about Laptop Class where Elon sees working from home as moral issue. Curious to know what your take on this kind of view because there are actually people who also agree with him.  And some don't of course. It could be different in the Bitcoin community, just a Yes or No poll to answer, and sure thing it will be good to share your opinion on why you chose Yes or say No.

Elon Musk is a businessman who has been very successful with the products and services he offers to the world public at this time and this has been recognized by many people at this time. But if Elon views working from home as a moral issue, that could be true because perhaps for him it was actually much safer when he started monitoring all the work he had through a special tool that he provided himself. But some people who disagree with this also have their own reasons because they cannot possibly equate themselves with Elon Musk who has been quite successful in several business fields. And in your opinion, how do you respond to this?

[South Park]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1h0ejcJrXc

I just watched a video talking about Laptop Class where Elon sees working from home as moral issue. Curious to know what your take on this kind of view because there are actually people who also agree with him.  And some don't of course. It could be different in the Bitcoin community, just a Yes or No poll to answer, and sure thing it will be good to share your opinion on why you chose Yes or say No.

Elon Musk is a businessman who has been very successful with the products and services he offers to the world public at this time and this has been recognized by many people at this time. But if Elon views working from home as a moral issue, that could be true because perhaps for him it was actually much safer when he started monitoring all the work he had through a special tool that he provided himself. But some people who disagree with this also have their own reasons because they cannot possibly equate themselves with Elon Musk who has been quite successful in several business fields. And in your opinion, how do you respond to this?

Just because a person has obtained success in one aspect of their life, this does not mean they know everything there is to know, and what better example than this, it is obvious that as a business owner Elon likes to have as much control over the people that work for him, and this means people working at the office, but this is neither moral or more efficient, so this is just another instance in which we must disregard anything that Elon says as he does not really knows what he is talking about.

[oktana]

Working from home isn’t wrong. As far as your company lets you do that, it is your choice. I disagree with Elon because if this is an issue, he should have just put the rule that those who work from home won’t be able to do it anymore.

What he is saying is that because I have a lovely voice, I shouldn’t sing because it would make people who don’t have a lovely voice to feel bad. That’s what it sounds like to me. It’s an opportunity, let them enjoy it while they can. All those who work at the office and the people who fix your house would choose to work from home if it was possible.

[sekalitas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1h0ejcJrXc

I just watched a video talking about Laptop Class where Elon sees working from home as moral issue. Curious to know what your take on this kind of view because there are actually people who also agree with him.  And some don't of course. It could be different in the Bitcoin community, just a Yes or No poll to answer, and sure thing it will be good to share your opinion on why you chose Yes or say No.

I chose "No" because it seems more morally wrong to not work at all. In my area, it's difficult to find well-paying jobs, so the internet provides an opportunity to find work outside my region. As long as the job can be completed remotely, why not take advantage of this?

If given the choice, I would prefer a hybrid work model, where I could work from home most of the time and go to the office once or twice a week for meetings or to connect with colleagues.

[Ishicryptic]

If your Job gives you the liberty to work from home with your laptop, then you can take the advantage, if there is no distractions in the house, like kids running around or perhaps your attention can be called to do a task because you are in the house, then it is ok. Another reason for working from home is to forgo the stress of being in traffic's to go to workplace and come back home, it can be tiring. But despite all these I still prefer to work in a workplace, I believe that it is good to be in a work environment to be more effective, also to interact physically with colleagues to get better outputs or results.

[AVE5]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1h0ejcJrXc

I just watched a video talking about Laptop Class where Elon sees working from home as moral issue. Curious to know what your take on this kind of view because there are actually people who also agree with him.  And some don't of course. It could be different in the Bitcoin community, just a Yes or No poll to answer, and sure thing it will be good to share your opinion on why you chose Yes or say No.

I'll say Yes based on experience, during the COVID-19 at when there was the observation of social distances, my aunt who works from home with her laptop instead working from the office was being too lazy to execute her daily tasks and for that, she had been accumulating those tasks til it becomes difficult for her to wrap up before the summary days within the week and month.

She sleep most time on the laptop and she hasn't been concerned of looking good such as wearing makeup and putting on her good dresses just because there'd be no one to be impressed. Even when her boss needed her urgent need, she's usually not on the system to respond so quick as demanded.
But these are unlike when she works from the office.

This is something that would be situational because we know that there are workers which are really that too lazy specially on the moment that they are really that in the convenience of their own home
on which on the moment that you are on such condition then you would really be that confident that you can be able to finish all the pending works you do have and since you do know that you do have all the time and the moment that you could be able to do such work then it would be normal that one day you would be getting shocked on the time that due date is approach or the complying date is near. Just like on what i have said that this is something that will really be that depending because work output will really be still submitted on a particular date whether you are really that working remotely or going into offices.

If there were study or statistics shows about having that improved about efficiency and productivity then it wont be shocking that employers would really be that definitely be sticking into which
productivity has increased then it would be no brainer for that. Just like on what we do all know that technological advancement becomes even more better then works could really be done remotely.
For those people who are really that hired on having this kind of job then it would really be that good and convenient which without needing to go into office on which a bit hassle
and you would really be needing to battle on day to day traffic.  

Indeed technology has been out there for those who are considered to deliver their tasks even on a remote basis at anywhere without the needed to be in the office just as said.
But some sets of lazybones has really made it seem odd that working from home encourages laziness to stick to their jobs unlike when working from the offices.
They're used to accumulating of tasks believing that they can always wrap it up even after working periods so as to meet up with the times they were unable to deliver those tasks and on the contexts they keep having false hope that they'd always finish the job before the complying day to be done with the jobs.

Remote job or working from home would real give privileges to execute other assignments through the flexibility of multitasking.